Meta Quest 3's Best Weapon Against Apple Vision Pro: Logitech MX Ink 

It should take longer

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9:44 Also, there's nothing to show. It's a stylus. You understand how a stylus works, right? Like he said, there's an SDK for devs to utilize, who want to make use of the thing - until then, there isn't really "official support" in anything yet, and it's just a fancy, more intuitive controller for drawing.

lol I FF through the whole video. Just show what it looks like to write or draw on a physical flat surface!!

Head to 09:13

That's because there simply isn't a whiteboard anymore. The only app that supported the pen tips of the pro controllers or now the logitech pen was Horizon Workrooms, but Meta patched everything related to the Whiteboard and more out of the app.

Yeah - Gravity Sketch is great, but I would love to be able to fully use this in Blender, in VR. Since it’s supposed to be native to the Quest AND we’re supposedly also getting a direct Win 11 remote desktop access, I’m hoping maybe it’ll work seamlessly enough to just jump back and forth between Blender’s desktop and VR modes from within the Quest. Then maybe someday we’ll get a dedicated mixed reality Bender addon where we can translate the desktop experience into something like mixed reality tabletop modeling IRL.

​@@INTERROBANG-by7ysThe biggest hinderance to 3d modeling and UI in general is that its stuck in two dimensions. An AR type development envorpnment fpr 3d modeling is a dream. I can think of so many amazing aspects of that.

Is like as if 3d modeling and fps games were initially made for vr all along while flatscreen is more just an after thought

@@SeageSpeaks see how can you say this is perfect when they barely showed it actually being used.. not once did they show it being used as a pen on a surface with its pressure sensitive tips. This was a load of bloat for a video

@@Artificial.Unintelligence I probably worded it a little incorrectly, but to be fair, for what i do, he already showed it working exactly how i need it. I dont need to draw on a surface, i have a cintiq and an intuos for that. Im not note taking in VR, im drawing and sculpting in the air, so the pen tip sensitivity meant nothing to me either. He showed it working in all the ways that I would need it to work. I have friends who were testers of the pen that told me that it worked well for them as well. So i was speaking more to that than this video. My bad for the lack of clarity, i wasnt speaking to this video specifically.

Gamers should be happy to, if for no other reason that this starts to crack open the door to other tracked third party accessories in VR. Tracked gunstocks, golf clubs, gloves, maybe even a koozie for your drink. If I see this on sale, I might get it just to fool around in some art apps, but it doesn't really appeal to me at that price point. However, I am just happy for the people it will help, like you, and what it might mean for the future of the Meta platform, which has moved so far from its Oculus roots, any sign of opening up should be taken as a positive.

@@IanDeMartino I started out solely creating animations and then taught myself how to do 3d sculpting and now the pipeline in VR, because of VR. But BECAUSE of art, I started to get really curious about what others could create within the space and began gaming, and now I play a ton of games as well and own 3 headsets. Things like this are special, because i feel like its a tool *for* VR, Like the future of it, but a little differently from how you said. For example, the creator of Walkabout Mini Golf, i know he does a chunk of his work on his maps in Gravity Sketch, fully in VR. Tools like these, i feel like would help people like him create more comfortably. I too want to develop and create more experiences for VR from within VR. A lot of the people making VR worth anything are the small indie creators, and many work in unconventional ways, so i see tools like this as a net positive across the board. Plus, a lot of artists cant get used to working with controllers, they want that familiarity of a stylus, so this opens up the door to more experienced flat screen creators beginning to explore the space like I did. I agree with you. If you're already a VR artist or do productivity stuff, then this price is reasonable and fair compared to the $700 pricetag on the old beta, lmfao. Its close to that or regular 1st party digital stylus'. But normal people are gonna look at this and be like...why? But its just like you said. Who knows where people will go next, or what other things meta will take on as first party? This is only the beginning.

Good and light enough that never makes the device slower.

The software is fine, you can encode a stream from your pc, and decode it on the headset, seamlessly, using your personal choice of many different programs that improve every day. Even the quest os/ui has been improved significantly this year. But the hardware is still too bulky, too heavy, and has a short battery life. Lenses can always be improved, and standalone is still miles away from pcvr fidelity. Hardware should definitely be the only priority until its mainstream enough for better software to follow.

Yeah cool games sell headsets, and Valve knows it

@@Cheesepuff8sir quest 3 is not valve lmao

Play Other Sons and Duck Hunt

Whoooa a complete virtual drum set even!

There's no way it could ever track well enough to do that

The best weapon is not being $3500

We can say that in a few generations. First generation is an expensive beta test. Wouldn’t be the first time that Apple makes a product that only later becomes viable.

This is sort of Apple’s approach to all of their modern products so I think it’s a little early to write it off entirely. The Apple Watch and even iPhone both didn’t really blow up until the 3rd and 4th gen when the prices were brought to a reasonable level and in the case of the iPhone, the 3g was when it was finally available on more than one carrier in the US. • The original iPhone was seen as a luxury product for rich people, it was incredibly expensive, did very little and was limited to AT&T • The original Apple Watch was much the same, very little utility at launch and for higher prices than the modern ones. • Remember the first gen iPad? It was truthfully a large iPod touch and that was the main criticism people had towards it but now it’s by far the leader in the tablet marketplace and it’s not really close. I think it is a pretty underwhelming experience at this point and for 3500, not worth it for anyone besides VR app developers, but this is not an unfamiliar trajectory for Apple’s successful long term projects. The only recent Apple product that I think was a hit right out of the gate was AirPods and AirPods Pro and that was partially because they removed the headphone jack and the novelty was easy to appreciate even from an advert unlike Apple Watch and Vision which really need to be used to get the appeal of. Not defending the Vision Pro at this point at all, they need to learn from its many issues for the next few generations if they want it to succeed, I think long term they want to make AR+VR hybrid glasses that are not much bigger than regular glasses and the Vision Pro is more of an early beta for people with a lot of expendable income. The tech is impressive in a lot of ways, the pass through is miles beyond quest 3 and the resolution and color accuracy of the screens are better than any VR headset on the market unless something’s changed in the past few months but their focus on productivity doesn’t really work with VR imo, it would work much better in augmented reality where you don’t feel isolated with tunnel vision and like you’re looking through a screen.

Apple is indeed famous for it's products getting cheaper than the competition!

@@visualglitch91 That was true for a short time in the 80s and 90s. It hasn't been true for nearly 30 years.

yeah WTF... I don't understand how they still have not fixed this after all this time... we going to get Android 15 and still not going to work...

@@Nighthunt01 exactly. There's already multiple threads about it on the Meta Forum and the Google Guide on porting to the new Health Connect were released way in advance of Android 14.

Probably because it’s a nothing tool. Cool but such a minuscule application that it’s almost pointless- no pun intended.

The glossy wall would only be a problem if the MX ink used cameras itself to detemine its position, as those would only see structureless white or some glare close to the glass. But the pen doesn't do any tracking itself. Instead it has a couple of IR LEDs at the back that the cameras on the Quest can see. From the relative positions of the LED to each other the Quest then calculates the pen's distance plus rotation, the latter aided by rotation data from an IMU sensor inside the pen. So the pen really has neither a clue nor cares where it is or what is in front of it. The Quest knows where exacty in the room itself is, and the pen's position is only calculated relative to the Quest. So it doesn't matter whether the pen points at paper, the wall, white glass, a mirror or thin air, it will work the same as long as it is within the viewing range of the cameras. And consequenty you can't use it to draw blind, e.g. watching a video and quickly trying to sketch what you see without looking at the pen.

that would be very nausea inducing due to the lack of velocity

It works only on Quest, because it uses the IR based tracking that is also used to track the Touch controllers. The only way to use it with desktop apps would be streaming those from a PC to the Quest with for example VirtalDesktop. As the MX Ink is compatible to the Touch controllers, its position and buttons will be translated in a similar way, while using extra functionality like pressure sensitivity would require direct software support. So while streaming is a way to use MX Ink with desktop apps through Quest, its not a good or practical one.

@@faduci I think this pen could be supported in the same way as touch controllers and hand tracking are supported through link; it just runs natively on the Quest and then sent to the PC. However, Meta has chosen to artificially limit the use of hand tracking through Link for it's internal use (it's Unity integration code). So my suspicion is that this would work the same way, effectively making it unavailable for use with a powerful desktop GPU except from within the Unity Editor.

No thats optional...

They changes that some time ago. You still need a Meta account that isn't connected to your Facebook account, unless you want to, reducing at least some of the excessive tracking. Meta was very careful not to scare away people fearing that a VR headset in their home might become a horribe data hoarding device. Initially Meta therefore didn't collect any usage data, they now collect anonymized data about which apps are used, and annouced and explained that beforehand. And personal data like images for room tracking or eye movement never leaves the headset. They knew that people would distrust them due to endless data privacy violation as Facebook. This and the fact that the VR market is still to small to make personalized ads, for which most of the tracking is used, worth pursuing, probably makes the Meta Quest their most user data privacy respecting consumer offer. No guarantee it will stay that way once XR is more established.

also having content. AVP is expensive e-waste

wtf I mean for some sure... but cant seem to justify a bigchunk % cost for a Extra over the price of the base Quest3 complete set!

for ar they already have, look at the nreal glasses.

@@SimonBauer7 It appears that they have many bad reviews. Have you used them?

Because it is very hard to get even the heavy, clunky VR HMDs to work with current tech. The Bigscreen Beyond headset is probably more what you expect, a very slim, 128g device. But they only achieved this by leaving everything non-essential out, it needs a PC for rendering, external so called lighthouse bases to track its position, doesn't include speakers and can only be used by one person, because instead of options for adjustment, you get a custom made facepad shaped according to your face, of which you have to provide a 3D scan when ordering. All this is currently necessary to bring down the weight enough, and you'll need to buy extra controllers and lighthouses for about USD 600 in addition to the USD 1000 VR heaset itself. Everybody would love to offer glasses style headsets, and Meta and Apple both already invested literally billions in this. Apple recently postponed their XR glasses indefinitely, because too many issues remain unsolved. The Bigscreen Beyond is about as good as current tech allows, and still requires a lot of compromises.

Soon bro

@@Mf_Cooldawg ill hope so bro,i dount even have a nice gf yet still single 😞

AVP isn't even a product anyone has or uses

No, it doesn't. There might be valid technical reasons for this, as the MX Ink relies on the IR LED based controller tracking as it is used on Quest 2, 3, 3S, while the Quest Pro controllers are self tracking. The Touch controller tracking uses the same lowres nIR cameras as the room and hand tracking, which are therefore also present on Quest Pro. The issue may be a different positioning/setup of these cameras, but it is much more likely that Logitech simply didn't want to invest the necessary effort to also support the Quest Pro, which only sold in very low numbers and will be discontinued as a product in December 2024.

I use normal drawing tablet a lot and the way you can draw on every surface while also use it for air 3d modeling combined with VR/AR capabilities, it could do 100,000,000 more than you can ever do with traditional drawing tablet. The only thing I'm worry about is the drawing performance since is the first gen

@@toututu2993 You can already do almost everything this does with the normal meta quest controller. All the VR painting apps already exist. This only gives you a pen shaped grip. Also I have tried drawing in 3D and using the number 100,000,000 to describe it is a bit ridiculous. Sure it’s cool but so is a 3D movie.

@@SaHaRaSquad the 100,000,000 times potential is not that ridiculous once you know what vr can do. As for 3d movies, it does nothing other than stretch the image for each eye to make a boring fake 3d illusion effect that make watching a movie more unbearable

@@toututu2993 I do know what VR can do, I have a headset myself and played around with drawing/design programs on it. Yes, at first glance it seems revolutionary but it really isn’t. It’s not a new medium for art, it’s simply a much more intuitive user interface for what is already possible for decades in 3D modeling software. I think that’s great and has a lot of potential for artists, but at the same time it’s just a virtual model building environment.

@@SaHaRaSquad You absolutely have no idea. It is only in its 2% potential and just because you own one doesn't mean anything. There is no serious 3d model program for it yet and being able to move object in 3d space is enough to let a person with common sense know is far better than anything you can do with flatscreen device. I'm a picky tech person. Nothing impressed me after when pc hit the market until vr which is more than revolution, it opens up more possibilities

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​@@daverayment they definitely need a hug.

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There are views. Live views that we see as admins of the channel are ahead of what is shown publicly to you and other viewers, which lag.

Yeah VR kindof sucks. Between motion sickness and the sheer amount of sweat that pours into my eyes? No thanks.

some people are sensitive to it, some are not, i am inbetween, i can do it for half an hour or so at a time, but after that i need to stop, as it makes me sick after that. i prefer flat screen.​@@StubbyPhillips

I'll give you $100 for it. Alternatively, try ginger candy. Also, keep at it, play until you start feeling off, then stop and take a good, long break. Your brain thinks you've been poisoned, and if you actually throw up, it's all, like, "Oh, see? I was right to feel this way - I'll be sure to feel it faster next time". Don't let it get to bad, and eventually your brain chills out/lets it happen. Also, make sure you have snap turn/teleport locomotion on, work your way up [slowly] to smooth locomotion. Personally, I just avoid smooth-turn altogether/am not going to bother with training myself to be able to stomach it. I have ginger candy at the ready, though, in case I get adventurous.

​@@DavidMaruca_ Not all VR has you moving around so much that you should sweat. If you're sweating from just sitting in a chair and moving your head around/lightly moving your hands around, then something is wrong/you should turn on the A/C. Also, you could just wear a headband, then, absorb the sweat. Keep a cold drink nearby, put your feet in a ice water bath to chill your body. Turn on a fan. Also, look into alternatives for facial interfaces. Or consider something like Quest Pro, which can be left relatively "open", allowing more airflow. Also, if you get a "counterweight" for whatever headset you currently have, and have a top-strap, you can loosen the death grip the headset has on your face, and allow air flow between it and you cheek bones.

@@ReclaimerTyphoon it's not a fitness issue, but yeah. It's an airflow thing. I'm 120lbs, 5'4', athletic build but small. I do cross country endurance, gym, technical scuba diving, etc. But yes whenever I wore my Quest2 for more than 20 or 30mins the vinyl facepad just made my forehead pour sweat right into my eyes. My cardio rate stays between 100-120bpm, normal for gaming while standing and normal for me to maintain for hours and hours, just the forehead sweat drenching me was worse than when I'm out in the sun working out. A counterweight is a MUST on that device. The heavy forward weight is so awkward.