Meta Quest 3 Vs Apple Vision Pro! 

Cool! One drawback is you can do 8k stream on Quest browser in RU-vid but not in the RU-vid VR app. In 360 vids recorded in 8-16K (like Air Pano), it makes a huge difference imo.

RU-vid 8k works through Skybox VR. Was stunned to find all 80 of my VR180 files were there in 8k. Bummer it costs $, but it was worth it for me.@@colin6852

That is sick...or use Immersed for 5 screens in a virtual environment surrounding you

​@@colin6852 the RU-vid app recently updated. So it now supports 4k videos which it did not do before. I have not checked resolutions higher than that tho

You can try skybox vr. 8k videos or 3d videos run smoothly

It has cotroller support (just like iPad and iPhone games) and it accept PS or Xbox controllers and this is same for keyboards and mouses (only criteria it must be a bluetooth capable device, but can be paired with different manufacturers product , just like PS or Xbox cotrollers..)

@@TamasKiss-yk4st But if you pair a random bluetooth keyboard, do you get that handy widget thing (by "handy widget thing" I mean the little window just above the keyboard that shows you what you're typing, the one that was also tracked and followed the keyboard around)? And does the sms app work with any phone? If not, then my statement is still true. As for controllers, It's great that you can have any modern console controller paired with any of the two headsets, but IMO having reglar VR controllers in box with every purchase is a hard win for quest 3 (mostly because gaming is what I use VR for). If you only really care about playing flatscreen games in VR or games that support using a regular controler, then this doesn't really effect you.

@@kbtjunior7419 iMessage app is running no VP directly and It doesnt use phone at all

the vision pro doesnt actually connect properly to your iphone. i saw a video about it, and for me its such an odd thing for apple to do, cause it goes against what they usually do, even if what they do often lack features

Bingo.

I had a similar thought or get a PC and a quest so you could do wireless VR PC games and it would still be cheaper

@@liamcollinson5695 Yeah and it could literally be a very high end pc on top of that. The vision pro also needs cords and I hated the cords on older vr headsets.

Quest 3 for peasants

@@REXae86what lmao

@@zeppkfw How Question 3 would be a very high end pc? It doesn't have its own graphics card I think..

100% agree. Fidelity is pretty much the only real world meaningful improvement the Apple Vision Pro has over other VR headsets. And to some that’s the only thing that matters so cool, go for it. And I agree watching movies on this is one of the best movie watching VR experiences out there. But it’s not really a game changer or revolutionary IMO. Most productivity and work require connecting to a laptop or desktop and then you’d be better off using your laptop with multiple monitors than trying to use the AVP. It may get there at some point, but I have a feeling that everyone else will likely close the gap on resolution by the time Apple’s VR ecosystem is mature enough to make more sense in purchasing.

​@@heyjustjam a person that uses vr mostly for entertaiment for almost 7 years now and idk what apple is going with it because years ago profecional VR was mostly used for companies that use it for a realistic development on programs that needed a perspective for entertaiment or research and could handle the workforce like the AeroVarjo and quest pro but using it like a computer? I Agree on that tho, ill rather use my mac or computer in the normal way then what apple is trying to do

Its purely an image product... A perception builder. Sacrificing comfort, usability & price for image says all about the AVP. With its front loaded form factor when they already decided to split the battery, glass, alumimum, the lenticular frontal screen, all add weight. Like you said, people that actually do productivity, proffesional design work with mixed reality already had something like the varjo, which still has better passthrough. Limited battery life & processing diminishes productivity. The product does have its merits but its main purpose as of now is marketing.

At this point it should be clear enough that everyone claiming that Immersed or Workspaces are "the same" are either straight up lying or just happily ignorant - not having used both themselves. But that won't stop people from repeating this ad nauseum for the next three decades. More of this "oh ya sure but like, aside from fidelity..." bullshit. Are you all using 1280x768 monitors? Gee willickers, I wonder whyever not!? I mean there's no obviously no meaningful difference between those and 4K monitors aSiDe FrOm ViSuAl FiDeLiTy!

@@Rokmononov that’s the thing though, everyone IS giving them credit for making a higher resolution headset. It’s a MEANINGFUL improvement and looks fantastic. One of if not the best out there in that regard. The issue is beyond that the current AVP as it is today offers less flexibility than what we have seen on the market and that is disappointing. It’s like making a car that can go WAY faster but can only turn left for now. Not great if you’re trying to have a car to do actual work with. At the same time a car that’s can turn left AND right but is super slow is a painful experience. It’s why nobody really uses headsets for general computing work and only very niche applications. I’ve used mine for reviewing building plans which was extremely helpful to walk through the building before we approved plans. More pixels is AWESOME but unfortunately isn’t revolutionary and even in my niche use case wouldn’t have changed outcomes or productivity… in fact I don’t even think it would be possible to do with the AVP right now. I use apple products almost exclusively because I love their software and it streamlines my workflows. I don’t see how AVP is doing that at the moment. It doesn’t even really work well with an iPhone right now which is CRaZy to me. Hardware is great, but without something you can DO with I’m not super excited.

You can also watch natively in the browser or probably just by installing a movie file on the headset.

There’s quite a few apps that let you watch movies in pass through, and directly in the meta apps too I think. It’s a great alternative to when you want to shut out the rest of the world in your own private cinema, or you can watch a movie whilst keeping an eye on the kids

3d movies work, I’ve tried that on the quest 2.

Skybox Vr Player is so much better than Bigscreen or using a PC on VD...

@mattman6886 Fluid app allows this as well. Multiple screens placed anywhere with passthrough. Pretty much like the vision pro was showing.

I never even thought to do that! I thought you had to open it first and then go into flat mode. Thanks!

🤔 that's a pretty cool hat trick

On vision pro. U can open that in the separate room. Example: bathroom, bedroom. And they still there. It is the real metaverse

@@KeyboardArmy-bg9mh That's coming to the Quest but there's also an app called fluid that can do that as well.

@@MobileDecayits not coming to quest they said there will be no more update for quest from the quality, and the realisticness is not quite good for me so i rather apple vision pro its more futuristic

Estimates have put the cost of parts & mfg for the Quest 3 @ about $430 & ignores unknown R&D, software dev & long term support & other similar misc costs. They are almost certainly taking a loss on at least the $500 model. Apparently the VP costs  about $1700 in parts & mfg. So same as an Android phone, the cheaper price is in no small part down to the $s they anticipate making in harvesting user/age data.

they are selling quest at no profit or u can say at loss but getting money on the other things like subscription and things like that. they are trying to make quest successful. props to meta for the quest. they really did great jon 500 mark. tbh on a business point of view quest is obviously underprices and vision pro is like oveeeeeer priced lol.

@TalkTechSAGA apple makes good quality products, but most people cannot affort😅

@@HealthMasteryHub we all know that. But the fact Question 3 made the same thing for 3x less is what impress us.

Nah its just apple overpricing their stuff like always

Wow i was thinking the EXACT same thing. 🎉I actually literally just uploaded a video about immersed using my quest 3 on my YT channel and I'm super impressed. 3 virtual screens for free !😊

@TalkTechSAGA Yes good video overall

Im in Immersed now its too nice

Yeah … I love immersed for work. I also use big screen for work sometimes. I’ll go into a public room to watch a movie and then open up my own remote desktop window inside it and work while I’m watching the movie

What are the odds u have an ally too. I just ordered a quest 3 so nice to know this works with my ally

@@footballpig8820 yeah it'll totally work as the Ally is essentially a full Windows 11 laptop crammed into a handheld. I use it with a Bluetooth mouse and keyboard in Immersed. I have a full-fledged gaming PC with a triple monitor setup but there's something pretty cool about working with 5 virtual monitors and a handheld PC in VR. 😂

Interesting - is that Virtual desktop streaming wirelessly from your ROG Ally to your Quest 3?

When you have no privacy protections and shamelessly sell your user’s data it makes sense to sell hardwares for a loss.

@@ennbee Or you're just overpaying for a name brand? Let me guess everything you own says Apple?

@@ZerocoolsPropsandCollectibles deflects the facts by attacking the rich-man-bad brand

​@@giacomo7113guarantee apple also sells your data

Wow… how is AOL active?

Wow does MSN count with that as well? 😅

Same, been using AOL for 30 years for email. be a pita to change now.

@@ABoxIsMyHome God knows, but what I do know is the AOL forums on any news articles is the most toxic racist place I have ever seen.

@TalkTechSAGA yahoo is not bad😢

It's not really a fair comparison to include things a Vision pro can't do. I liked this review because it was 2 headsets, hand tracking, and productive peripherals only, where the end results were extremely similar. Sure, there's some research and trouble shooting to be done for productivity on the quest, but once it's set up, you're good to go, for 7x less. The Vision Pro is definitely looking smoother out of the box for productivity which is cool for apple users.

@@smittyvanjagermanjenson182 it's not a fair comparison to include things the quest can't do either which this video highlighted. Your point?

Yea its trash

Yeah biased much

apple wants you to buy stuff. Want to watch 3D movies? Pay disney+ and make sure you use apple pay from the apple store so they get a cut. Don't have that movie you want? Too bad. Apple devices are a cage, used an iphone for 4 years, i won't make that mistake again

Yeah... i filled my quest 3 512gb with torrented movies on skybox vr.... apple sells every film made in apple tv app... all i had to do was get Android file transfer and connect the Q3 via usbc... maybe you can airdrop files to apple VP... but haven seen a video player for VP... air drop would be super slow...

Thatr's the way I interact with it and it's a little creepy because to me when my finger hits the window, it feels like I've touched something... even though there's no haptics.

yep, vision pro can do it too, and as i saw its looks more solid.

​@@nagyFerkoenough to spend 3500 over 400. Worth it

@@TheoWerewolf I feel the same with the Quest 2, it's so weird

@@TheoWerewolf that's called phantom sense. It get's even more creepy in social vr applications like vrchat. Gave me the chills the first time someone gave me a headpat

It PISS ME OFF!

It's always someone's first time but yeah it's pretty funny seeing people raving about basic stuff that's been apart of VR for years.

Exactly 💯

The first to do it in a compelling way. The Quest looks like amateur hour

@@user-mf1qm2oz3b FOr your apple NPC mindset and confirmation bias

Don't forget online film sites for passthrough and 3d sbs

Yeah I was surprised he didn't try a 3d movie in the Quest 3

​@BoltRM he made it sound like it can't be done. But it can.

Confirmed. 3d movies work. Also some video streaming services work in the browser with pass-through.

I watch avatar in my quest 2 but focusing on a picture is so hard

AVP will definitely push Meta harder than before. They’ve never really had any serious competition up until now. Most don’t realize this but Apple getting into this market is good for everyone []-)

@@VirtualRealityOasis absolutely, it's better for Meta to have someone to respond to instead of being the leader everybody else was imitating. I expect Meta's software and UI will rapidly improve now thanks to Apple.

😂 I literally do all the things he showed on my quest 2 😂 except the calling part 😂😂😂 y'all funny if you think this is actually new or something good

@@SavMu I tried out the spatial videos that are now on Quest 3 and don't get how this is even a feature. Does Apple not know that VR porn has existed for 8 years and looks miles better than this.

I think what he means is there's no streaming 3d content like there is on the vision, you have to download your own 3d movies to a pc or server to watch it on the quest

Did that last night with the film gravity :)

@@CaptainMarder You can stream video in your PC browser and view it in VD on Quest 3, with pass-thru if you want it also

​@@CaptainMardertheir is a limited selection of 3D movies in big screen for rent.

You download movies using apps 3rd party ofc but yes it's possible

No. However, the small windows do appear larger and very clear depending on how you position them. The cameras themselves are set to a fixed distance that helps keep you upright. If they zoomed and you moved it would likely be very nauseating.

i'm pretty sure it is the bobovr m3

probably, but is it $3000 better? not at all

You don't even notice the resolution on the Vision Pro, the 8K clips they show in the demo I tried were flawless. I never saw a pixel or screen door once in the entire experience.

You really would want not to use this headset for gaming tbh

But the AVP doesn't come with any controllers. Are you able to pair up any VR controllers with it?

I made a typo @@64jcl

The cost of the device is the consequence of having the best tech in you possibly can in the headset. The microOLEDs alone are more expensive to produce than the entirety of the Quest 3. Sure, you can cut corners, and even make a loss on the device like Meta, but at the end of the day, value is subjective, but in an objective sense, Apple probably takes a much smaller profit margin on this device than they historically do on Macs and iPhones because those devices have mature technology and economies of scale.

Yeah that's basically my response too. The quest 3 will do basically everything the Vision Pro will do at about 90-95% of the quality, and it'll do a lot that the vision pro can't do and for $3000 less. Is $3000 really worth that 5-10% bump in quality?

​@@GhettofingerDoesn't the Beyond headset use microOled for $1000 + tracking?

@@ViridianFlowIt's like someone with a sub-4k TV eyeing off a new OLED TV-both TVs will display content. But the OLED TV will do it so much nicer. The UI will be newer and snappier, and overall, it'll be a much nicer experience. Whether one can justify the significant price jump is an individual choice. The quest 3 is great for the price point. But it's not on the same level as the VP.

@@James-lw3gi That's a bit of a stretch, I'd say it's closer to a 4k OLED and a 4K QLED. It isn't really that much of an upgrade

But he used it in the UK.

​@@dtz1000hmm 🤔

good point

He flew to the u.s. ti pick one up.@@dtz1000

He could have changed the language to US English and use the voice command. He was lazy

So right. Hopefully that changes soon for them

Especially when watching movies. Big Screen offers a great social experience, be it watching movies in public areas or inviting friends in more intimate settings. I thought Big Screen offered 3D movies for pay. They have 3D movie trailers.

​@@tyleradams3490 Unfortunately, it won't change for the Vision pro, I sent mine back, all the TikTok videos are paid ads. Also it costs x7 and Quest can do the same things

Not really. FaceTime supports SharePlay and they already have a lot of developer documentation on the future sharing options that utilise personas. Devs can also just do their own thing if they like. RecRoom has already been announced for example

Oh god. VR/AR social media is going to be the next big f-up in pop culture from Apple. Then again, most people are already there with their smart phones. Vanilla ice was right, the 90's(early to mid 90's that is) was the greatest decade before computers ruined the world. lol Don't get me wrong, VR gaming and mixed reality can be awesome and all, and i'm a huge fan of stereoscopic 3D, but the VR/AR social media aspect/features are going to take things another step further and prevent a lot of people from actually leaving their houses and socializing/having real world interactions. It has the potential to destroy people who suffer with social anxiety, instead of taking the time and actually working on their problems. I guess in the end it's all about balance. Do whatever you want at the end of the day and what makes you happy. I just prefer the simpler times. The 90's had the perfect balance of technology and pop culture, before the internet crept in during the tail-end of the 90's/early 2000's.

Yep, also do it all the time!

I know right? maybe its cause he isn't in the usa.

​@richardirvine2220 I'm not in the USA and ii can watch 3D Movies on big screen. I just think he didn't do his home work very well.

@@PJZombie Or he was paid to do this comparison. This content creator definitely plays in VR and is aware of all of these things. Why would he leave them out?

@@richardirvine2220 it works exactly the same in the UK...

@@richardirvine2220 yeah I'm also not in the US. I was also quite surprised that he overlooked this seeing as he is quite a good VR content creator.

is a tie!!!

More like iPad for the face. Without side loading this is useless for productivity on its own.

that's the point

I think he meant the Disney app. But he made it sound like it can't be done at all. But we all know that it can, and it is very easily done.

hi, which movies can you see in 3D?

@@MrWord283 Any that's 3D

@@MrWord283 literally any 3d movies... including Adult ones.

​@TheRobertoisai99 any 3D Movie you have stored on your Hard Drive or Removable Media.

If you want to use the keyboard in VR mode, it has to be one it know, I think. I know thjey were adding a feature to let you mark where yourkeyboard is IRL and how big it is so you cna have it either passthrough or be represented in VR - but with the Logitech it can render a 1 to 1 model of it in VR

IMO, the virtual keyboard and keyboard portal are no longer relevant with the quest 3 passthrough. Any Bluetooth keyboard will do.

Apple does not support any other device but it's own forcing you to buy premium products that get worn down by wear and tare.

Oculus is the best at everything and they don't make you sign your life over.l and sell your info like Apple do.

Apple has been doing a very closed doors design, while Meta reality labs (oculus) has always been an openly transparent VR company that's now shifted to mainstream consumer marketing with over a Decades worth of R&D in the space. After nearly 3 years of hand tracking data from quest 2 the experience was really refined. Meta is currently testing fully 3D models for our hands next, now that quest 3 has full color and a depth sensor. Theyre also working on a more refined AR OS experience due some time in the coming months.

It's one of the things that many reviewers failed to mention, as well as the blur you get when moving moving your head fast. Theres seems to be a lot of post-processing going on in the AVP that creates this blur/lag, while Meta opted for a more grainy but low latency image which helps a lot to combat fatique and motion sickness. The Quest 3 also supports 120 Hz which is really nice.

any bluetooth keyboard or mouse, without a usb-dongle, that would also connect to an android phone will work with the quest

Wow, a very remarkable and complete review. Great stuff. Anywho, you failed to mention how the Quest 3 can't do real blacks.

@@rodmunch69 Real blacks filled with Glare? What's the point 😂

Didn’t we just see the Apple Vision Pro do more with windows, and that iPhone trick?

@@musictheory4u153 You can do the same with Immersed on Quest 3..... Not really a groundbreaking thing.... What is more impressive is playing an Assassin Creed full blown game at 4K in 360 VR.... That's more impressive than anything M2 shown so far

I'd be more inclined to compare them to a BMW and a Honda Civic, personally.

Peak copium.

Uhm, no it's NOT replacing your MacBook unless you really have minimal use cases. Even Apple promotes it as a way to move the MacBook's screen into VR for producitivity, and the Quest is just as capable with movies and TV. The only real advantage is higher res, but again - 7x the cost for maybe 40% more pixels.

@@TheoWerewolf its got an M2, and can absolutely replace your laptop for most users - and give you a lot more screen space. You need a mouse and keyboard - but you can absolutely sit at a desk and use this as your laptop for 95% of people. However the issue is comfort - and if you only want to wear it for an hour at a time - that’s the issue. In any case, the Quest 3 already does a great job, and this is next-gen from there. With the much improved optics and oLEDs - this is some stunning hardware. Also I hope this pushes Meta to bring back OLEDs - I’ll pay and extra $100 or so for them - they make watching movies in VR so much better than the grayish black levels on the Quest 3.

Cap

And with just a quarter of the pixels while a stream of your personal data is sold by Meta to anyone with cash. 😂

​@@ennbeesearch on "Apple Just Traded Your Privacy for $15 Billion The company's deal with Google is lucrative, but it's hard to square with its values"

​@@ennbeeyoure acting like other companies dont do the same shit-

Wasnt Apple the company that scanned user pictures to "save the kids" without user permission? None of this companies are trustworthy, none really care about the user either.

Meta has years of iteration and top tier OS developers working on that. I am not surprised in the least they have a lead.

I'm actually surprised too because the Q3 relies on a controller mostly while apple vision pro only has handtracking/eye tracking to control.

Yeah, I figured they'd have nailed that out of the gate all given. Not that I would have dropped $3500 on a headset anyway, but if I was considering it, that would have been a deal breaker.

Apple uses inferior techniques for hand tracking. It wasn't designed for gaming so they didn't use techniques that allow for faster tracking. They screwed the pooch in that department. They never think ahead. I hear they may add that feature next gen. Hahahaha

Miffed because the Quest can do 80-90% of what the AVP can do for 1/7th the price? Yeah, I can see that would be annoying to an Apple fan.

@@TheoWerewolf I'm literally not an apple fan and you clearly don't have great reading comprehension 🤦🏼‍♂️🤣

Because everyone can afford a US$3500 VR headset when there's a $500 headset that can do most of the same things (and is ALSO getting better with each update - like Quests can now play 'Spatial Video')... Dream on, amigo.

@@TheoWerewolf And a $200 smartphone can literally do everything a flagship can too, but value is subjective. People will pay 5-7x the price for a phone because people value different things to different degrees.

@@Ghettofinger deleted my comment, you're spot on, i paid under 600 for a note 9 years ago, i finally upgraded to a s22 ultra. my dads a51 holds up well for under 200 usd

@@drewzeller3376 Yeah, a $200 smartphone can do SO MUCH right now, but that segment took 7+ years to mature after the debut of the iPhone in 2007. This is tech is very new, the microOLEDs in the headset alone are more expensive to produce than the entirety of the Quest 3. However, in 7 years, people will be shocked what a $500 device will be capable of, if this segment has the same level of growth.

Did you have your eyes shut when you typed this? They said "When its cheaper" and you go on a rant about price @@TheoWerewolf

Fr, quest 3 is way better. People act like Vision Pro is revolutionary when it’s just 7x times the price of a quest 3 and isn’t as good.

@@uzuwi9782 I won't say quest 3 is better. AVP is faster and higher res. I will say that AVP is no where near 7x better. At best, it's twice as good.

@@likwidsage I’m taking price in consideration when saying it’s better, 4k after taxes is crazy

@@uzuwi9782 100. The things you can do with 4000 compared to buy a very limited headset is a no

The Q3 works better with a Mac as well. It can do 3 virtual screens with a Mac and only one with windows

Dose not do better with Mac unless you update your computer and get charge for the upadte and selling your new info to third party to scrap up as much money they can from you.

It technically wouldn't make the comparisons fair, seeing as the vision pro can multitask standalone, while at the moment, quest 3 needs a computer to do multitasking comparable to vision pro. (There is a future update planned for the quest 3, where you can anchor windows throughout your play space)

@@mementomori4602incorrect - there are multitasking applications on quest

"Apple actually spent years to build this feature into the web to make AR shopping useful one day" "which is only supported by Apple devices". Yup. That's not really a noble accomplishment.

@@TheoWerewolf and what's wrong with that? Billions of people use their devices, plus USD is an open standard format, there's nothing stopping anyone from doing the same, Google has tried to Make AR on Android work the same way but it's lagging behind ios in terms of AR, and the fact that android suffers from too much segmentation doesn't help, most android products lack the features to make AR a reliable and consistent experience. So yeah, it's noble accomplishment for Apple to make thier products work well.

me too, the technology as well as the competitors will only get better from here.

Huh? The VP is a consumer headset

I can't tell if you're joking or not but $3500 is not consumer friendly, also look at the name, it is not meant for consumers, its meant for professionals@@chrikke

@@DatIsDelta What exactly do you think "consumer" means? Are macbooks not for "consumers"=

@@chrikke A macbook is meant for a consumer and macbook pro isn't.

Unfortunately this does require a PC to do. Also requires many extra steps to set these things up compared to AVP having it right out of the box

That's actually not a fair comparison at all as you need a VR-capable PC to do that. That's comparing apples and oranges which is not what Mike's trying to accomplish here.

​@@coinsagE46m3my dude for the price of the apple vision pro you can buy like 3 very capable pcs

​@@kesopuffs I mean if requirements are to be considered then the vision pro requires 3000 dollars over the quest, getting a PC is way cheaper then that, not to mention just the fact that you need steps to get something set up and working doesn't mean it can't be done and shouldn't be considered

Bigscreen removed the movie renting.

Maybe it will be coming now that Vision Pro is creating more demand for it. It would be a simple thing to add support in Netflix, Prime, Disney+ etc for 3D content on Quest 3.

Did you watch the same video? Lol

Well I wouldn't say they're for different customers, but they are for different use cases. If the Apple Vision Pro was just more comfortable, I'd buy one - but I already find the Quest 3, with the best 3rd battery strap out there, still annoying to wear for even an hour. The AVP is even less comfortable because of all the fancy material they made it with which makes it unnecessarily heavy. But I still assume in the future the AVP will get real controllers and games, and considering it's a lot more powerful than the Quest 3, that will be impressive as the Quest 3 has some native games for it that are really good looking.

@@rodmunch69 There is no product category where this kind of price discrepancy (7x the difference) would have product A being for the same customer as product B. We can look at a cheap $20 watch you could go buy at Target vs a $120 watch at more high-end department store, or take that $120 watch and compare it to $1200 Christopher Ward Sealander watch. You would never compare a $1200 watch to a $6000 Rolex. Watches are a good example here, because you see all of these products are for very different levels of spending power and thus very different customers. But the Rolex customer, might also own a few less expensive watches, you get a little crossover on the way down but it's asinine to think one product priced 7x over another share the same market. They are marketed to completely differently, there's a different class, there's a different level of disposable income. We're not talking about a iPhone 15 Pro, which is maybe twice the cost of a value oriented mid-range phone, we're talking SEVEN TIMES THE PRICE. You need to understand what a luxury product is and the type of customer who can afford such things... On price point alone they are for different buyers. But beyond that the use cases also define what the product is. You can do a little gaming on Vision Pro, you can do a little productivity on Quest 3. Other than that very different.

Your review is pretty accurate, Apple as always have everything you want, build in to the headset. No tinkering required. For the true productive experience int the quest 3 you do need an app, like immersed. But isn't this also part of the quest 3's "ecosystem", this doesn't take away that you can do the stuff you could do on the AVP. So the only real difference is the fact that you could see AR graphs for productivity? Which, if you ask me, would not increase productivity and are just a gimmick... Your second point was the screens. This I totally agree with. The screens on the AVP are the crème de la crème. But then again, if you are going for productivity, why not actually buy a screen that is rated for color grading and other color accurate work?

​ @magyx3014 "So the only real difference is the fact that you could see AR graphs for productivity?" Well, there are not a lot of apps using the spatial features, so the graph hovering in front of Excel was just an example... Imagine you're using professional film-editing software like Final Cut Pro. The core app is presented on AVP as a 2D window, but with video editing you can have multiple channels that get mixed together, leveraging the spatial UI features, developers can easily use the Z-axis to deliver additional, time-saving UI, so those channel bars can be layered in 3D. Each layer can have different FX, etc... The potential for app developers who have been locked into 2D UI to now have the Z-axis for rendering is at the core of what will make or break the Vision Pro as a mainstream product, because there's opportunity there to build spatial productivity apps (that can all run in parallel beside one another) that achieve real time saving features. the video editing channels layered on Z-axis an example... If you can save a user 30 minutes out of their day with innovative UI, that can add up to tens of thousands of dollars a year, the return on investment of a productivity device is entirely different than a game-centered headset like the Quest 3... Quest 3 doesn't have the compute power to run a dozen apps in parallel. It's smartphone level compute vs Mac/laptop level compute in Vision Pro, Q3 architecture just much better suited for the full immersive experiences than multi-tasking, which again is why "spatial computing" is a nice simple moniker to help customers understand core differences here.... As far as "ecosystem", let's be clear, Meta does not have an Ecosystem. Sure, you can get Facebook notifications from inside your Meta Quest and post the Horizon World screen caps to Facebook through the Facebook app on MetaQuest, that's pretty much the entire "ecosystem" integration... It's unworthy of the term "ecosystem". With Apple, you're smart phone, your watch, your tablet, your AppleTV device, you Mac are all participating and offering up various time-saving ecosystem services, exchanging data between devices to save you time, give you more of your day back... Let's not forget, time-saving is what technology is all about. I would argue Apple and Google are really the only two tech companies with ecosystems and that gets to another huge problem for Meta. They own zero of their core tech. Their compute is built by Qualcomm, any competitor can buy the latest XR2 SoC and build a competing device and even their operating system is a fork of Android and still beholden to it for many things, one of those things being the core UI toolkit. There is no native Meta UI toolkit that lets you do what SwiftUI does for Apple developers on VisionPro. If you're writing a program for Quest 3, you're using Unreal or Unity3D. Everything built for it, almost everything built for it is going through some third-party game engine with strict licensing terms that only make sense for game developers... It makes perfect since for Quest 3 because in every way it's a game console, it's not a computer any more than your Nintendo Switch is. It's even marketed as a game console, and like the Switch, the Quest 3 is pretty damn good at its intended purpose.

Was thinking the same, maybe immersed would have been a better apples to apples comparison. But looks like the Q3 can effectively match the results of the AVP for $3000 less at this stage in lifecycle

That's wrong and you even said why. The mere fact that you have to find and install "the right app" instead of the functionality being seamlessly integrated into the HMD's native OS, as AVP's is, would prove to be more difficult not to mention time-consuming for your typical end-user.

@@coinsagE46m3 you're right, if you struggle to install an app then you should definitely go for Apple.

@@coinsagE46m3 disagree, the "additional" time it takes to click an app in Q3 is nominal and not worth mentioning arguing over. The time it takes jump into a multi-monitor set up is going to be essentially the same. For instance, I just click or pinch to select Immersed and my 5 monitor set up loads. That said, the fidelity delta between the two could be the area in which the AVP excels, and given i have not experienced the multi monitor set up in the AVP, I cannot call it either way. However, from a functionality perspective, they very similar, and certainly not $3,000 apart.

not if you're not an Apple user anyway. For the rest of the world Meta will simply improve their user interface and most of the things you can do on Vision Pro can be done on Quest 3, since it's more or less based on how the software works. Nevertheless, the Apple Vision Pro is the more advanced headset, at least for now.

@@ProgrammistMusicnot a chance. Apple will always be multiple steps ahead of meta simply because of their infrastructure and ecosystem. By the time meta has a ui as capable as apple’s, Apple will have already gotten further ahead. The only way for meta to catch up is for the tech to reach full maturity and for there to be nowhere to really go like smartphones now. Meta will copy Apple like android did, and Apple may copy meta on a few things if any, but that’s it

@@Millicente "Meta will copy Apple like android did?" Apple copies android, just to let you know. Also, Apple is the one copying Meta, so I don't know what you are trying to say... Apple always just copies from others and publishes a little but more polished version of it. This still means that they are always behind though.

​@@ProgrammistMusic you can't relay on the browser for everything and that's what you mostly get on the quest, games and a web browser

@@ProgrammistMusic That’s what people said about the iPhone and iPad

- person that hasn't tried it

haters gonna hate 😂 this guy is comparing a first gen product with a third gen product that has settled with their market for years. dumb statement that no one's gonna waste their time to read anyways 🤷🏻‍♀️

@@chrikke I have tried it. It's cool but not worth the price or compromise

Apple vision pro is in another world its not meant for gaming its a work station not a gaming vr headset

@kanomee it's apples first outing but not first gen important difference. If a new competitor entered the TV market or laptop manufacturing or anything else you would expect them to be with the times. Especially if they are toting themselves as "premium" and asking for premium level pricing. And a company as experienced as apple is and have been in consumer electronics for years this is a huge disappointment compared to the normal quality of their products.