MGSV - If David Hayter Voiced the REAL Big Boss 

I think that it couldn't be done because all fans would have known from the first scene who the real Big Boss was.

If you've seen some of the in game data files in mgs5 there was character that was to be introduced later on named David this character had no assigned voice actor I believe kojima would hire hayter to voice solids lines but as we know konami...

Solid Snake: David Hayter Venom Snake: Keifer Sutherland Big Boss: Some other VA Obviously it should've been done during the days of MGS3, but it makes pretty much zero sense that David voiced Big Boss. Yeah, Solid is a clone but so is Solidus, the most perfect clone, and he had a different voice. There's just so much inconsistency.

But that's true for me, this guy is not a big boss there. It would make more sense if the guy there was Gray Fox on mission to protect Venom Snake.

Personally I prefer solid snake having the hayter voice and big boss the Sutherland.

Said rando was MSF's best and can 1v1 Solid Snake despite his age

@@Edo_Ginting What is MSF?

@@Haunuva Militaires Sans Frontières, Snake's private military force he established in Peace Walker (and which was destroyed in Ground Zeroes)

@@cyberspetsnaz Peace Walker DESPERATELY needs a 4k remaster from what it sounds like. Konami can even be greedy shortsighted imbeciles and sell the Big Boss Collection for like 80 bucks (MGS3, Peace Walker Ultra HD, MGSV: GZ+TPP upscale)

@@Edo_Ginting the best rando, but not unique. He didn't need the clones, just git gud soldiers

It would be great that during our first gameplay we hear David voice and then when venom snake discovers the truth he starts to hear his own voice (Sutherland's) and after that if we replay any mission we hear that voice

Kid you not, after realizing the ending my ex and I referred to Venom as Big Medic. Was a partly comedic play on the plot.

And its not like anyone would really know the difference since it was the 70s and 80s.

This has and will always be my dream. It would instantly make mgs5 such a more better game.

@Falfox One was under the assumption that we play big boss in ground zero but in mgsv we play the medic disguised as big boss while the real big boss snuck away

It would make sense too. Venom Snake hearing Big Boss would just think its his own voice seeing as he thinks hes Big Boss

now I heat big boss for doing that because I feel like I was used as a baet to attract big boss s enimes

Would’ve made it worth having to play the dumb sequence again

Fool the player? Players were fooled?

@@badreedinedjellali1328oh boo hoo. Your name explains your spelling.

And lord of the flies mission was put back in

When i beat this game, i slowly held pit hope id hear Hayter. I KNEW it was futile, but i tried to hope. Well, you can blame Kojima all you want. And you absolutely should. But blame Avi Arad too.

Blame Kojima for that. Stuck up asshole.

I was hopping that to happen.

I honestly thought that was how the game ended. It seemed like something Kojima would do. Then I found out the Japanese VA was the same---so I was even MORE confused.

Second greatest tbh. Also he was trying to distract her for when he throws the gasoline or whatever flammable liquid that was.

"Necessity is the mother of invention." -Solid Snake

@@StrongArmElijah Isn’t that a Plato quote?

@@AesirUnlimited Not sure might be, but I'm quoting it from MGS2.

@@StrongArmElijah I looked into it. What Plato said was “Our need will be the real creator.” Which developed into the proverb “Necessity is the mother of invention.” So Solid Snake didn’t invent the saying, but it isn’t necessarily wrong to quote him for it.

I guess you're right. If hayter says the truth, kojima jad no love for david.

Yeah. Either do that for a trippy, MGS2-style twist where we find out that the reason Sutherland voiced both the real BB and Venom throughout all of MGSV (GZ and TPP) up until the truth reveal was because we did the first playthrough from the perspective of Venom Snake’s false memories (with New Game+ changing “Ishmael’s” VA to Hayter,) OR a slightly toned down version of the twist where Hayter voices BB in GZ from the get-go, but then doesn’t appear again until the truth reveal and New Game+ in PP.

@@morsecode980 Feel like your latter idea would've given away the twist too early. Especially since the medic do sound like Sutherland, even with the voice modification. It was harder to tell that he voiced the medic in GZ because he also played Big Boss. A better idea would've been that after you played the truth chapter, you could transfer a save over to GZ where Hayter voices Big Boss instead and the medics voice is unmodified.

@Uncle Crispy What are you saying?

MGS V was a BODY DOUBLE aka not the real Boss

David did voice Big Boss, though. Naked Snake, to be exact.

@David Hellewell He literally is in this scene.

It has so little dialogue BECAUSE.its keifer Sutherland which makes me wonder what the point was

He seemed sad kinda if that makes sense.

That audio was from Peace Walker (sorry for being late though)

He did that scream in Portable Ops, Snake Eater, and I think Peace Walker

@sierrakilo4322 yeah the sound is him firing the m63 or the mounted equivalent in peace walker so pretty much

No but even in MGS4 big boss is not Voiced by David. He's always been Solid snake.

MGS 3 he was voiced by Hayter

It was probably Konami's doing tbh

@@foxgreygaming4646 most likely kojima since hayter has mentioned how kojima wanted to replace him so bad.

Foxgrey Gaming Not even close Kojima wanted a big actor because he just wants to be a film director over a developer. Hayter revealed Kojima wanted to replace him for years since 3. 3 they tried to get Kurt Russel but who didn’t want to do it.

Why even have this twist? It's so worthless and meaningless

Wow I think you're right. That's the reason for not using David bc his voice is so recognizable it would have ruined the plot twist.

@@robertflinch2447 venom snake was already an antagonist in the Metal Gear games, I think only the first or second one, so hideo had to explain his existence somehow. Mgs5 did that pretty well.

Yeah, it’s confirmed that Venom Snake was the one Solid fought in Outer Heaven back in Metal Gear 1...that also means he (well, we) killed our own staff!! Man, it would’ve been super cool to have green Solid Snake as a bonus ‘boss’. He has all your moves, but is faster, stronger, but not quite as experienced, similar to the fight with Eli, but with an adult this time. And if you do manage to win...time paradox.

​@@robertflinch2447the one thing it does do is explain how big boss dies twice

LMAO

Shotguns are basically snipers in real life. The right muzzle config and ammo should do the trick.

Same bro

Just play it over again

Apparently Sony is trying to make a push for Metal Gear and Silent Hill. I dont see them getting Silent Hill but after mgs5 falling part towards the end and The huge backlash with Survive, i can Konami settling a deal with Sony for MG. Im sure Konami needs money right now

I get it man, but its always gonna be around,I re bought it on steam the other day for 6 quid with DLC and ground zeros, absolute steal. MGS will always live on, mother base however not so much ;)

@@prasad2897 "I'm going to miss my grandpa. It's a shame he died" "Just watch the videos we made of him"

They really should have had Hayter voice Big Boss. Solidus had a different voice and so did Liquid.

Csn we get a mod of this

yes, he will do it if someone tells him and work with him for a voice mod, tbh that will be a good tribute for 33 years of mgs

Yo man can you do 'if Michael Ironside voiced Sam Fisher in Splinter Cell Blacklist'

David Hayter stalks people at their jobs and harasses them.

​​@@gamingoneoone3685ow could you made up something so bad about someone you doesn't know? Lying does not change people opinions, and lying about those things says a lot about you

@@gamingoneoone3685 The fuck, dude?

Lol so true

His speech about Quiet was the coolest thing he said because it was the only thing he said. (Not to discount that though, shit was awesome).

Thot Exterminator to me kiefer was excellent (even though I do wish he had more voice lines)

The speech where he spreads the ashes was also amazing

Kiefers best line was the low morale scene... "your CQC is sloppy... Come see me later for a lesson you wonr forget"

Could have done it only at the end. "Re-remembering it correctly" as it were.

I had always hoped the Truth replay would have shown Hayter as Big Boss, while also replacing Midre Ure's cover of the Man Who Sold the World with the real thing.

Maybe in the ending.They should use David Hayter's voice

I wouldn't say "for free" but I'm sure he's open to commisions. Don't know how much fans will have to pay him for a full game voice over.

If someone organized a gofundme so that he can be atleast compensated for his time when this game initially came out. I'm sure we could've made it happen, there is just no interest at this point. and tbh unpopular opinion, I think Hayter as Solid Snake and Kiefer as BB is great. I think kiefers serious tone and quietness reflects BB's story better, and I think we need to differentiate them also.

You guys have seen what Konami have done to Fan Projects in the past. As saddening as it is, they’d have a field day with this particular project.

Would you go to your job for free?

he would only need to record like 5 minutes of his voice for the whole game, since Venom Snake barely talks. There's a video with all VS's lines here on YT, and it's less than 5min.

Python its a rumor about metal gear its buying Xbox did you now about that ?

@@nerto5425 a Metal Gear is buying an Xbox ?

Same here 👍🏽

Yeah!

Totally agree...in a weird way I'm glad Kojima got Keifer to do Venom Snake's voice...that way he let us know that V was a true impostor. It's too bad we'll never see Kojima's plan come to fruition...I hope the rumors are true and that Microsoft bought the rights off Konami.(Actually heard Sony is making an offer to Konami for Metal Gear, Silent Hill and Castlevania!)

I like Hayter's voice in Solid Snake, but Sutherland's voice realy fits to Big Boss

I agree but Keifer really did a good job as Big Boss I liked his performance too

I disagree since they established his voice in mgs3 all David would've had to do is subdue his performance and talk less that's it

Yeah he would only have to say like 8 lines lol

If [they] can redub Peter Dinklage out of Destiny for the other guy then redubbing these lines should be along the same idea. But code is finicky.

The modding scene has been doing some amazing stuff. There's already one that replaces in-game voice with Hayter. He'd never do a full replacement, but we're probably only a few years from someone getting a hold of a really good voice cloner and finding a way to replace the audio.

David Hayter doesn't sound good as Big Boss. He sounds amazing as young Solid and young Naked, but Sutherland sounds much better as big boss.

David Hayter was approached about doing a redub by fans. He refused, saying that he couldn't think of anything more humiliating.

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-IST4LZ8uwqk.html this is a theory that might explain it

Nope

Where?

What

Reused assets... I don't see why they wouldn't have just had some varying textures. There's just nothing concrete there or I'd say that it was a good lead

it feels like a Phantom pain uh?

honestly I don't care how good Phantom Pain was gameplay-wise, it doesn't feel like a Metal Gear Solid game.. I still love it though, but it feels more at home with spinter cell and ghost recon. there's no memorable moments like in MGS1 or 2, not as much memes, not as much recognition

David hayder voiced solid Snake not big boss except for mgs3

Minor Agreed!

There's only room for one Boss and one Snake

Hayter will always be snake, keiffer did a decent job and he should maybe be given the job for any future venom snake roles(unlikely venom will appear in any others) but Hayter should always be big boss and solid snake, it was a mistake by kojima to take him out of mgsv

Keiffer Sutherland isn’t the voice of the boss, even in mgsv ground zeros, keiffer Sutherland is the voice of Ahab.

That's mad disrespect to the Japanese voice actor and Big Boss' mo-cap performance artists...and the guy that played him in the epilogue of MGS4... Hayter is THE Solid Snake but he only a part of Big Boss' legacy.

Half of the game is missing

Let's just say.... After the nuclear radiation by The Boss and getting zapped multiple times after being captured, his vocal chords get fried and became Sutherland's voice as of we know now.

Regardless, Hayter was the voice of young Big Boss for three games. Suddenly replacing him makes no sense and serves as a giant middle finger.

@@rinraidenwell originally kojima didn’t want hayter to voice big boss in 3 but due to budget and time, accepted it. Hence making him audition for the role again

As in you don’t like David Hayter?

Kojima was trying to get rid of Hayter since MGS1, he didn't like him... for whatever reason. Hayter *always* had to reaudition for the role, and then had to pay for the lunch that he was taken to when he was told he wouldn't be used in MGS5. Then he tried to sell us on he "wanted this Snake to have a different feel" meanwhile the Japanse voice actor remained the same. Kojima got what he had coming to him over at Konami, and I don't feel the least bit sorry for how poorly he was treated. Karma's a bitch.

the hell? Kojima had vision to make the best version of each of the metal gear game. Hes a creative director who Im sure had the best interest of every game hes making. If he didnt want Hayter its because he didnt feel like he was fitting. There wont be MGS without Kojima, and there probably wont be any now that hes no longer with Konami. Seriously I hope the Hayter fans dont become as toxic as Star Wars fans who starts bullying cast and crews... Me personally I liked Kiefer as Big Boss and felt it was fitting in MGS 5. The game was vastly different in tone and directiom from past games. Its open world (a larger Peace Walker), it used motion capture (so they needed actors, not just voice actor), a new music direction (its an open world "adventure" game with stealth in it, and had an "indiana jones/uncharted" feel to it in some moments). Even the cutscenes had shaky cam effect like a hollywood movie. Considering the overall feel, and art direction of the game, I feel Hayter's voice isnt fitting at all.

@@giantqtipz6577 What an apologist mindset. Kojima got what he deserved at Konami. You don't feed fans bullshit about how you wanted this Snake to be different, then use the same actor for the Japanese version that has been doing the role since the first one. That's not making him different, that's making him the exact same and using an excuse to stroke your own ego. You also don't have your publisher take a man out to lunch to tell him he isn't going to be used, and then make that man pay for the meal. Kojima has, since MGS, had delusions of grandeur, thinking he was some Hollywood director, and when he got the chance to replace a loved actor with someone from Hollywood, he jumped at the chance while keeping his native language actor the same. How you feel about it isn't relevant, what is is how he has consistently treated Hayter over the course of the franchise. Had he (Kojima) treated the man (Hayter) with respect, this wouldn't have even been a topic of conversation, if Hayter was used for 5 or not. However, you treat a guy like he has and it earns you no favor when you act like a cuck.

Venom is kinda mute the whole game, except for the noises when hes being shot or calling DD and so

I kid you not, there is at least 6 minutes of dialogue for Snake

So much of Sutherland's dialouge went unused

@@ryanbarrie9143 why? If the actor recorded it, then why did the production staff cut it? Seems a waste of money and talent.

From the top, Kojima has always been very auteur about his games. Normally, it works fairly well, other times...not so much. Originally, the intent was for Venom to be his own character with a strong character arc. I don’t know if this was before or after Konami decided to force ship it (timeline’s a bit vague and there’s a lot of info locked behind NDAs), but Kojima changed his mind halfway through and decided to make Venom a silent protagonist to act as a vehicle for the protagonist. Due to the...half-finished nature of the game and voice acting laws, you can see the seams where the story appears it might develop Venom, and where he’s a mute insert for the player. Speaking for myself, I think Venom would’ve played off excellently with Skullface if he were allowed to talk. Some of the removed voices have Venom comforting Paz, and Sutherland delivers a really strong performance. There’s a rumor that Chico might’ve been meant as a boss/buddy similar to Quiet. In his case, he would’ve been changed to resemble an Oni, to draw allusions with Venom resembling a western demon.

What do you mean I'm solid Snake and I'm a weapon that surpasses metal gear

I'm the only

BoSaif kojima didn't like Hayter, tried to find someone to replace hin many times.

Voice dialogue cut out from many games, especially Peace Walker.

Many Thanks! 😄 We used dialog & other sounds mostly from David's performances in MGS3, MGS4 & Portable Ops. - Python & Selkan

@@PythonSelkan is it possible to mod Hayter lines into mgs v?

PythonSelkanHD probably but there would be some words that hayter hasn’t said in any previous mgs games and therefor you may have to get him to say them in order for it to work

I mean... He's on Cameo (www.cameo.com/guyversnake) so you could actually pay him say some lines

Many Thanks! 😄 We used dialog & other sounds mostly from David's performances in MGS3, MGS4 & Portable Ops. - Python & Selkan

They have one that replaces his in game voice. So calling DD and interrogating people. But it sounds a bit funny. They pulled from different games and the quality is understandably lacking

Better start forking out that Cameo money lol

He is in the beginning and the end right? Or is there a reason why Big Boss's voice would sound like venoms to? I don't get that part... why didn't they cast him for only the last episode?

David hayter only voice solid Snake not big boss except for metal gear solid 3 but in metal gear solid 4 big boss was voiced by a different guy and snake was you know

in my opinion someone like Sutherlands should have voiced big boss from the start in the series

@@Marianrest it makes sense for big boss to have the same voice as solid when he was younger, after all solid is a clone of big boss. Still it also makes sense that his voice changes as he grows old.sutherlands doesn't exactly feat the older version of hayter but it does the job and somewhat feat venom perfectly and gives some forshadowing to the twist The problem isn't the voice change itself but rather how sudden it feels(ground zeros happens right after peace Walker so it sounds really weird to ear snake in a different voice). I would rather preferred Hayter (the man has already proven that he can make snake sound like snake but old in tired like mgs4) but I kinda understand why the change was made.

@@diogomartins4408 I see your point and I agree something shouldve been done to make the transition smoother for new and old players

@@diogomartins4408 the change was only made because hideo didn't like David as snake for some stupid reason. He tried to get a different voice actor with every installment, but ended up "stuck" with David. Kiefer Sutherland agreed to the role of snake and i legitimately hold a petty grudge against him because of it lmao.

I seen Konami hideo kojima wanted a guy to sound real old and so they didn't want David hayter because come on he sounds like freaking Rambo

If the metal gear solid franchise gets famous again maybe one day Kiefer Sutherland like a damn fiddle Miller has done it he played me like a damn fiddle and he played me good so good