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Bravo on the disclaimer, Tom. I think it's really important for reviewers to disclose whenever there's any involvement with the development of a game. I think most people that watch your content recognize you wouldn't get involved with a game you didn't think was worthwhile...but being honest up front helps to put concerns to rest.

Hey just wanted to say I'm a league player, and I really loved this video. It's making me want to learn so much more about traditional/tabletop gaming. Only thing I do like that is on pen and paper (DnD) so I definitely want to learn more about this stuff. Cheers! :)

WOW, it's happening! It's the second game that showed the level of what should be acceptable in the hobby for the next few years. First for me was Scythe - now I look at the quality of components twice before ordering other games, with MvM it seems I would have to triple-check :D

this game will bring a lots of new people to the hobby - 30,000 views after 17 hours and I can see in the comments a lots of people which watching this channel for the first time ... its not my stile of game but big + for the price and for the future big influence on industry !!!

Rules correction: At 10:20 you show the damage card replacing the command card in slot 5. The damage card actually stacks on top of the command card, replacing its function. If the damage gets repaired, the command card will start working again.

I've literally never considered buying a game just because of the production value, but this is insane. If I get a surplus of money I might just get it to keep it as a pretty thing to open up every once in a while even if I hate the actual game those box inserts are sexy.

Played it last Friday. Awesome! The game is pretty cheap for the high-quality content you get Metal gears? Trays to fit all minions in? Really well designed.

I'm kind of amazed that the MSRP is only$75. That's a lot of chrome in that ginormous box!

When you were going over the game I was thinking "this game looks fun but it's gotta be $150+" but $75?! Wow. Now I may need this.... But where to fit it on my shelf

The reason why this game is only $75 is because they're bypassing retailers and selling the game direct to consumers; if they were to sell to retail, it would get another mark-up and cost likely twice as much. It has a little something to do with volume, but everything to do with selling direct.

Can I report my teammates in this game? Serious question.

man i hope more video game publishers do this i am personally not a big fan of league of legends but if this is only the begining then i can´t wait for whats to come!

Thanks for the review! Considering buying this because I am a huge fan of League of Legends, and I am also an avid board game player and tabletop enthusiast. It looks like there was so much time and care that was put into this game.

I have to say when I heard Riot was making a board game I was skeptical, but man is that production value amazing and the game looks fun to play.

great video guys, good job all of you, enjoyed the three different perspective s.I am not normally a miniatures person but ordered and can't wait to receive my copy; in December! (european shipping in December).seems expensive but looks like you get your monies worth! thanks for showing what you get in the box Tom.

This puts me in an interesting predicament: I love co-op games; I really find programming games intriguing; therefore a co-op programming game should be a great idea. The reviews are stellar. The price is reasonable considering that it's a mini-game, something I'm indifferent to. So now I'm truly intrigued as to whether to get this come October 13th or not, especially as all the reviews are very positive and the playthroughs look interesting that Rodney and Rahdo have posted so far. But is there enough game play there long term, more than the 12 envelopes worth? It seems so since you can replay it each time and end up with different cards and therefore different abilities programmed into your mech. And it's the same price as something like Blood Rage -- with the 5 player expansion. But it has vastly better production quality meaning, worst case, it'll just be enjoyable to stare at :-). Finally, with a print run of 30,000 copies it'll probably sell out in minutes courtesy of that 100M fan base. Even if only a fraction of a percent is interested it'll be gone in seconds. Which might just mean they'll print more. And, like many others, I had no idea what League of Legends was. I'm obviously out of touch with video games. That means I'm officially old now... I feel for all the boardgame companies out there. Everyone is going to compare any future published game to this even though Riot is using the advantage of not going through distribution channels and stores each of which need a cut. But all that will be lost on the hobby fans who will simply look at the $75 price and ask "Why is game XYZ $50?" or whatever. Interesting times ahead in 2017.

Wow this is worlds colliding for me. Probably 2 of my main hobbies coming together. I play a ton of League of Legends, so I'll probably have to check this out!

I feel this could never be from a boardgame company for that price. Riot puts this out to support their core business, anyone else couldn't put out a big game like this at that price. I think some don't realize how big Riot is.

I don't think I'd buy this one, but I'd definitely like to try it

when you take a slot damage, the damage card only covers the previous slot, it doesn't replace it. it WILL however replace a different damage card already slotted in that spot

Oh my.. That box insert... that price... This is gonna be a smash hit!

Played league since the beta - I am not at all surprised that Riot nailed it on their first try. They are a pretty special game company in many ways. Loved to see that they flew Tom Vasel in to consult - that is definitely a Riot touch.

think i might pick this game up, looks really fun, such great quality on all the miniatures and lovely art style.

Whoa, I look at my board game streams and BAM... 4 different videos appear within an hour of each other: hype much? It's almost like it was coordinated. When Rahdo agrees with Dicetower, whoa.

The game play looks pretty good here- they did do their homework and the combo of programming with power-up looks pretty neat. I'm not usually a co-op guy but this one looks like it might just hit a certain sweet spot that so far I've only found in some old and favorite Atari-800 games where you could play 4 players on joysticks all working together to beat an army of bad guys-- that was really fun and I've been looking for a co-op game that can produce that same feeling, and it looks like this one could be it... And as I've already posted in response to other comments here, the fact they get to pocket the distribution and retail margins by selling direct makes a big difference here. Such an end-customer-centric approach seems to me to make much more sense than the store-centric trend we've seen in the larger board game companies-- they set themselves up with that to be hit by this sort of thing-- that strategy actually made it more possible for Riot to release a game like this with a stunning price point, as all their board game competition has just raised their prices. Good job, kudos to Riot all the way around with this-- that's what competition is all about.

If you cant die, is the only way you lose through the doom counter? Also, I might have missed it but how does the doom counter go up?

Q: Why is this game so cheap? A: They are selling it direct. No distribution middle man or game store middle man. Publishers usually get about half of MSRP when they sell a game through distribution. By selling direct they are probably selling it for 60% of what they should actually price it at.

Watch and learn, Cool Mini Or Not :p

Zee, Bomb Squad is co-op programmed movement, but it's also real time and has the Hanabi can't see you're own cards element from what I hear.

Just ordered wave 2 printing! I cannot wait!

Hope this game is more balanced then the game that it's based on

I'll also say apocalypse chaos is a programmed coop. you locked in your dice and strategy. though you can do the orders for each character in any sequence

Is this only going to be for sale through the League of Legends web-site, or are they shipping to distributors and stores?

I can't imagine any other publisher being able to pull off this game at this price point. I'm wondering if they are even making any money off the game...perhaps it's more of a pet project. And to top it off the game sounds great!

Looks amazing! Realy excited for this!

Hmm I'm subscribing to few different board game channels, and on 5 of them I see videos for the same game, uploaded at the same time. Do the publishers set the date for the reviews?

When I Google this game and check the shopping results right now (10/30/16) the cheapest I can find it is $110 most places are selling it for more then $200. Is it already out of print? or was the $75 price point unrealistic?

30,000 as a first print run is a HUGE amount of copies. Most of the games don`t reach that number in their lifespan. A small company will get around 1,000-2,000 copies for a first print. That's one of the reasons that the price can be 75$, more copies less money spent for each copy.

Haha at 14:00 it feels Like a QVC Sale!:) I Love it Cant wait to get this

Posted earlier to the Man vs Meeple video review of M&M: You guys eluded to the price point, but this can't be overstated. This game, from a component standpoint, is revolutionary. I'm not sure, but this seems to be a Riot Games loss leader venture. The game may be great, but this is setting the bar artificially high in the industry. I'm really conflicted on the long term impact of this game and the impact on the industry as a whole. I would really like to hear from someone like Jamey Stonemaier or owners of other companies, like CMON, who are pushing to have deluxe components, but not in retail editions. I was listening to the Miami Dice group, and Sam states, "See industry, look here at M&M, it can be done!" It can be? Really? I'm calling BS. It can't be done, or it would have been done already. Riot Games was able to produce this game because they have the resources to take a hit on this. M&M is a pure marketing ploy to draw people into their video game product. Love to hear some feedback and whether I'm way off base here.

this is jaw dropping wished it was on general sale in uk

Dice Tower, how does the game scale? What are the differences for the different player counts? Thanks, guys!

Hm would you rather play this or Project ELITE? Sorry if the games are not too comparable - but I only have room in my collection for one of the two.

I saw an article on Polygon about history of making this game with an obligatory typo in Tom's last name (Vasal :D). Looks like Quintin had more influence on this game (at least by the article).

First I've heard of it, looks great,, might have to grab this one!

I hope a live playthrough is coming. ;)

LIVE playthrough or RIOT! Update: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-GVL7aDNbjXc.html 1000 thx guys ! You're the best!

This looks like a game that I can purchase and teach/play with my non gamer friends without having them grumble about the rules. What I need from you Tom is a way of teaching the rules to someone, I find that I do not do this very well and it makes it harder to get great games to the table.

so finally riot games can be riot "games" now that they got 2 games

Dice tower, Rahdo, Watch it played (more channels?) - all uploaded their video about this game at the same minute... Hmmm...

I heard how its only 75 dollars multiple times. I also heard how the company that produced it is only selling direct to individual. Which means that they have cut out the friendly local game store. If a game store had to buy it for 75, wouldn't they have to sell it for 99-110 to make a small profit. So its not that the game is super cheap, it is that the game store is cut out. Won't hurt the industry if one or two games get left out, but if this becomes the norm we won't have game store any more.

WOW, price point is crazy on this one! if this was at a store I'm expecting to pay 150 or more for something like this production has. Its amazing how cheap this is. However thinking about it more, a co-op game for 150+ would be pushing it. 75. seems reasonable. Production value top notch. Looks amazing!

I was looking for a new co-op game (We frequent Harry Potter Hogwarts Battle) for my girlfriend, step son and myself, guys have me sold. Didn't look to difficult and even if it was for the boy, I like it can be adjusted till he figures it out better. I am a huge League fan, been playing since Beta, still Wood division but that's another story, but I think it'll go over well, I trust your reviews! Thanks again and good work guys.

I was expecting a $200.00 price tag.

Sounds like your standard Campaign Game to me, in terms of game structure - which lets not forget with the big discussion of the Legacy mechanic recently is fairly standard. To price that style of components at $75, I'd presume it's got a larger print run than most board game publishers can manage. Here's hoping it works out for them and manages to sell out of that print run.

C'mon, other companies! Tony Stark built this in a cave! For $75! Step it up!

So it won't be coming out in stores? Meaning for international gamers, VAT will be applied?

This is, hands down, the board game with the highest production values ever made, with the possible exemption of Kingdom Death: Monster, and not considering the HUGE price gap. I am not sure if Riot did really make any profit with this, even having sold them all out.

Doesn't appeal to me at all, but I'm always pleased to see changes in the industry and seeing more people brought into the fold. It would be nice if other huge online games companies e.g. WoW or DotA dipped their toes similarly (I know FFG did a WoW long ago, but we've moved on a lot since then)

Can anyone tell me if there's space for sleeving the cards?

I just found this game on the curb for free, new condition...I can't wait to figure out how to play and take it to our game meets

Wondering how the game play compares with Bomb Squad?

It is increasingly irritating me that Sam Healy doesn't have a matching watch. Please kindly resolve this. I vote that his band colour be green. It need not be operational, but for cosmetic effect, that would be great.

This game and video gets flooded soon, calling it!

Hyped!

Can you suggest a game that are similar to thunderstone adv? Design, card game.

i have played around 3800 games of League of legends before i started with boardgames. So i'm really interested in this game. Yeah the game isn't the same as the video game but still a cool theme.

oh men. This game looks so good. i wish Tom suggested to Riot Games to make this game both Coop AND/OR Versus mode. :)

When will this come out?

I absolutely despise LoL as a die-hard fan of DotA its superior father. LoL is the Monopoly of videogames. However, I want this Boardgame right now xD

They are distributing the game themselves and not dealing with the regular distributors and game stores that then tack on their portion of the sales. This is the model that Asmodee and AEG should be following.

Came into watching this very skeptical, but now very interested.

One would think from the way they talk about Mechs vs. Minions, and from the comments here, that this is more about finding a good deal on a set of toys than finding a good game at a fair price. I get it - the price is good for the amount and quality of the components, but that's not what makes a game. It is often suggested, including on the Dice Tower, that Kickstarter games with miniatures always sell; This is the same thing, just not on Kickstarter. There are plenty of really good, inexpensive games that do not include nice components, but those aren't often talked about. Maybe it really is all about the toys and it makes me wonder how many people would still buy Mechs vs. Minions if there weren't any rules and it was just a box full of components...

Oh wow, you got flown in to consult on it? Crazy

Its great that Riot made a board game that can even impress these guys. They couldve easily went for a cashgrab but they didnt and thats admirable. Good job rito, now stop doing side projects and finish working on replays.

i wonder what volume of a print run they did to get the cost of this game where it is.

How do I explain a programming-game to my friends?

$75 plus $23 shipping, approx $100 total.

Will it eventually be available in Essen?

what is this?! My favorite board game reviewers, reviewing a board game based off of my favorite video game?!!

Why Zee doesn't have a card like Tom and Sam do? In the intro?

They did a 30,000 print run and have backing from Tecent, a giant Chinese company that probably has other resources in China. That's how they got the price down so low. Doubt anyone can match that price point ever.

I just had a quick question, this game is set in the league of legends lore, does this board game have magic in it?

There is s very simple explanation for why they can price this game at $75. They have cut out the middle man. Considering most (all) retail items. At least as far as video games, board games, etc are concerned. There is approximately a 100% markup. This is why online retailers can afford to discount items 40% or more. So, JUST taking that into consideration (there is also the distributor markup, but I won't count that and just say that cost will offset the publishers cost of running the e-commerce site and the order fulfillment, storage, packing, etc), leaves an equivalent MSRP of $150, which seems right on target to what we would normally see a game of this size and quality prices at in a FLGS. ;) The bottom line is, they should make the same amount of money/profit as a game priced at $150 and sold through normal distribution channels.

I have a question, what is the average price of a well built and polished like board game? Now I've only played simple games like Life, Monopoly, Risk, ect. ya know basic ones. They go for what like $20, so I'm assuming their types all fail in comparison to sumthing like this, due their simplicity and mass appeal to commoners.

a hope they make a digital version it would be awsome

Not my type of game but it looks really impressive.

There first print one is 30,000 units. Idk if that's a lot or not. Maybe it can explain why it's so cheap?

Almost sounds like a co-op Roborally game.

Never even heard of Mechs Vs Minions.

That's cheaper than MoM2e and food chain magnate!! Craziness

As a LoL player this is kind of disappointing, doesn't seem like it really catches what I love about league of legends. I'll still try it and might get it just for the components because if the msrp is really only $80 that's not bad just to have the pieces.

will this be sold worldwide? like in Asia?

There was another consultant according to this Polygon article. Both did influence the design as it seems :) www.polygon.com/2016/9/19/12949698/league-of-legends-board-game-mechs-vs-minions-launch-date-price

Looks like Roborally meets Heroes Wanted with better components. This doesn't look like a game changing experience at all...

Room 25 is a co-op programming game

If all those minions are functionally the same, I think I would rather throw them all in box or baggie than have to sort through them and fit them back into the insert. It looks great, but it seems pretty impractical for putting the game away.

Wow, this one came out of nowhere for me.

I think we just witnessed a live playthrough of Snake Oil.

Looks like somebody was playing RoboRally with some good stuff!