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Michael Shermer with Maria Konnikova - How I Learned to Pay Attention, Master Myself, and Win 

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It’s true that Maria Konnikova had never actually played poker before and didn’t even know the rules when she approached Erik Seidel, Poker Hall of Fame inductee and winner of tens of millions of dollars in earnings, and convinced him to be her mentor. But she knew her man: a famously thoughtful and broad-minded player, he was intrigued by her pitch that she wasn’t interested in making money so much as learning about life. She had faced a stretch of personal bad luck, and her reflections on the role of chance had led her to a giant of game theory, who pointed her to poker as the ultimate master class in learning to distinguish between what can be controlled and what can’t. And she certainly brought something to the table, including a PhD in psychology and an acclaimed and growing body of work on human behavior and how to hack it. So Seidel was in, and soon she was down the rabbit hole with him, into the wild, fiercely competitive, overwhelmingly masculine world of high-stakes Texas Hold’em, their initial end point the following year’s World Series of Poker.
But then something extraordinary happened. Under Seidel’s guidance, Konnikova did have many epiphanies about life that derived from her new pursuit, including how to better read, not just her opponents but far more importantly herself; how to identify what tilted her into an emotional state that got in the way of good decisions; and how to get to a place where she could accept luck for what it was, and what it wasn’t. But she also began to win. And win. In a little over a year, she began making earnest money from tournaments, ultimately totaling hundreds of thousands of dollars. She won a major title, got a sponsor, and got used to being on television, and to headlines like “How one writer’s book deal turned her into a professional poker player.” In this wide-ranging conversation Konnikova and Shermer discuss:
• the balance of luck, skill, intelligence and emotions in how lives turn out
• the real meaning of the marshmallow test
• time discounting and how to improve yours
• rapid cognition and intuition
• how to improve your use of emotions in gambling and in life
• what it was like being a woman in an almost exclusively male game, and
• the nature of human nature in the context of the BLM movement and protests.
Maria Konnikova is the author of Mastermind and The Confidence Game. She is a regular contributing writer for The New Yorker, and has written for The Atlantic, The New York Times, Slate, The New Republic, The Paris Review, The Wall Street Journal, Salon, The Boston Globe, Scientific American, Wired, and Smithsonian, among many other publications. Her writing has won numerous awards, including the 2019 Excellence in Science Journalism Award from the Society of Personality and Social Psychology. While researching The Biggest Bluff, Maria became an international poker champion and the winner of over $300,000 in tournament earnings. Maria also hosts the podcast The Grift from Panoply Media and is currently a visiting fellow at NYU’s School of Journalism. Her podcasting work earned her a National Magazine Award nomination in 2019. Maria graduated from Harvard University and received her PhD in Psychology from Columbia University.
This dialogue was recorded on Month xx, 2020 as part of the Science Salon Podcast series hosted by Michael Shermer and presented by The Skeptics Society, in California.
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Комментарии : 33   
@boydhooper4080
@boydhooper4080 3 года назад
Another winner. Shermer consistently produces the goods.
@MatticusPrime1
@MatticusPrime1 4 года назад
Great interview. Maria is a terrific author.
@jimwalshonline9346
@jimwalshonline9346 2 года назад
She is also beautiful; I'm crushing on her big time!
@rdjproduction8749
@rdjproduction8749 4 года назад
This is one of the best podcast I've ever seen. RIP JRE too illogical and non-evidence based for me these days.
@zevoxxx
@zevoxxx 4 года назад
Except when PC culture takes over. "Time to listen and not talk and dont offer an opinion etc etc". Jeeesus thats stupid as fuck and science is thrown out for a narrative. All studies from the past decades shows no evidence for police racism. Not in arrests, not in convictions etc. In the past yes but that is a different story. She should know better but this shows just how weak akademia is today and not even the top people in science dare to just say wait a minute lets just stop and try to use science to figure out the problem and then try to fix it. Not just the easy... its whiteys fault, its the jews fault, its the rich peoples fault, its the heretics fault etc etc. So saying just listen and NOT to look at actual evidence but instead on how people feel and perceive a situation is as antiscience as it can be. But the sad thing is that both of them should know this but they cant say it because you are not allowed to question the narrative because the consequences will be dire. This is how reason dies and the mob rises. Good people become cowards and stay silent. Happened in nazi germany, sovjet russia, Maos china etc etc. Those people where not extra bad or extra perceptible of any kind they where just normal people. And normal people say nothing as a silent majority and watch how the the world burns around them because they dared not to speak up before it was to late, when the consequences to questioning the narrative was just being called a bad name or mild social exclusion instead of actual execution ...
@boydhooper4080
@boydhooper4080 3 года назад
Not really comparing apples with Apple‘s. Science salon is targeting a higher intellectual level.
@akniznik
@akniznik 4 года назад
Just finished an online cash game and decided to take a break and watch youtube and this pops up top in my feed. "Just When I Thought I Was Out, They Pull Me Back In " (Al Pacino, Godfather). Great interview. I look forward to reading the book. Thanks Maria and Michael!
@stephenjones796
@stephenjones796 4 года назад
Excellent dialogue Dr. Shermer. Thanks again.
@woody7652
@woody7652 4 года назад
Excellent! Thanks, Michael.
@bobgagnon8819
@bobgagnon8819 4 года назад
Well, that was fun! Great interview. Now I need her book.
@kwj171068
@kwj171068 4 года назад
Another great discussion.
@davidanderson9664
@davidanderson9664 4 года назад
Top notch guest - amazing woman. D.A., J.D., NYC
@peterz53
@peterz53 4 года назад
Excellent !
@marcopolo9419
@marcopolo9419 3 года назад
Pay attention is a must to be success in poker career. But there is something else in the book that equal or much more important than pay attention. I wish I had read her book otherwise I might have a chance not going bust this time around. Read the book. You need to read it yourself to see whether you be able to find it. Good luck.
@ThePharphis
@ThePharphis 4 года назад
Interesting guest. There was some simplistic things said, I think some were probably just sloppiness on her part, but I hope not. For example, Maria when talking about delayed gratification and stable 2-parent households said if your father "abandons you". I don't know the specifics of the culture she is referring to, but that implies that the father made a conscious decision to abandon their child. There are much more likely reasons, at least in the western world: mother is uncooperative after a breakup (and family court isn't worth the struggle), father is never informed of having the child, death, jail, etc. Abandonment happens, for sure. But she implied this was the only or most important consideration.
@richardthomas9856
@richardthomas9856 4 года назад
The thing about the time travel option is that it would be awfully tempting to go back, way back, say to the Triassic when mammals were evolving (dinosaurs too). If the time travel had to be within human civilization, I would opt for the future.
@epvoblio
@epvoblio 4 года назад
lovely
@glennrice7795
@glennrice7795 4 года назад
Apparently, it is essential to have books in the background for all podcasts. Very studious...
@jimwalshonline9346
@jimwalshonline9346 4 года назад
Love it: "Not chess, Mr. Spock...poker..."
@jeffcolorado
@jeffcolorado 4 года назад
I agree there is much luck. One explanation of luck I recall hearing that made sense to me was , "Luck is when preparation meets opportunity."
@ciociosan
@ciociosan 4 года назад
I wouldn’t be surprised if she’s going to take over the world, and then write about it. 😂
@ThePharphis
@ThePharphis 4 года назад
Michael, I think you and your audience would benefit from a discussion with someone who doesn't just fit right into the orthodox view of gender relations. In this talk, for instance, Maria stated that women "have it worse than men in this world" (something that is subjective and I doubt she has ever done a true comparison) and she also said that men used to have it "a million times worse". What? Everyone had it worse in life 50, 100 200 or a thousand years ago. Why did women have it uniquely (MUCH) worse than men? Again, I doubt she has ever done any kind of comparison int he rights and responsibilities of the 2 sexes in the present or especially in the past. The reality, I think, is that she (and you, apparently) share the orthodox opinion that "women have it worse" because women's issues are the only ones that are ever considered and addressed by society.
@nefaristo
@nefaristo 3 года назад
I'll trust your comment and skip the video altogether. That's have how intolerant I've become about this kind of sexist not data driven old stereotypes about gender (and race btw). Well, when those stereotypes are not challenged, that is.
@chuckbeattyo
@chuckbeattyo 4 года назад
45:40 "...butt in chairness...." interesting.
@apoorvsl
@apoorvsl 4 года назад
Video starts at 2:07
@Jamie-Russell-CME
@Jamie-Russell-CME 3 года назад
which books have rot and who is forging them? Actual truth matters. Opinions from anyone human should be welcome. Especially when they shed light on Truth.
@SenorMorgenStern
@SenorMorgenStern 4 года назад
Sitzfleisch
@globalvillage423
@globalvillage423 4 года назад
She should compete in MMA.
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