Michigan couple fights to gain custody of their twins who were born via surrogate l GMA 

Family law is by far the worst law practice. I interned at a law firm (in MI) that specialized in it and it doesn't stop with the parents. It can come down to where you're located or the judge that presides over the case.

These are the facts

Yes family court is complete trash! And the judges are so stupid!

They drag it out because its a money grab.

Sounds like your speaking from experience x

This is one of the dumbest things I’ve seen

If you think this is a waste of money and you live in Michigan you need to write your Representative and tell them that you want this law change. The courts need to follow the law I guarantee you people who have to follow these laws and enforce them think they're stupid. But if they don't enforce them they'll lose their job.

State Legislatures write the laws. Tell your representative. Vote.

Plus it’s not even like the surrogate is fighting them on rights or anything! This can easily be fixed but the courts just don’t want to make it easy

Because the law is ignorant. They claim they can’t do it before the babies are implanted. Cause there are no babies to adopt. Like it isn’t some human created law that can be changed!

@@wordswritteninred7171 right because of the definition of baby and they were embryos 🙄

State’s money making scam?

@@wordswritteninred7171 if they are not babies wen implanted ( embrions) then why all the abortion thing of " they are babies at the moment of conception" I don't get it

@@vikib1758 Well, the courts don’t see them as babies. Hence abortion being legal. If the law admits that they are alive, a life, a baby, then an abortion would be murder. So the courts will never say that an unborn child is A CHILD. They are taking so far now, that the baby can be born, and LEFT TO DIE, in the hospital! It is up to the mother. It’s evil. It’s gone way too far! But it also affects laws surrounding cases like the one in the video. It is a sick cruel world.

The really horrifying thing to me is that he is probably unable to be listed as the father because their surrogate is married so her husband would legally be considered the father. At least, that was the case the last time I heard of a situation like this. Same state, too.

It’s all about the $$$$$

Maybe next time birth the kid yourself....once it’s inside someone it’s not the person who donated...according to leftists.

@@lastlime3792 lol did you not watch the video? She couldn’t birth them herself because her cancer could come back. What an ignorant comment

@@lastlime3792 You win the "I'M A DUMMY ON RU-vid" today award. Congratulations 🎊 👏. Keep it up.

I can't believe that the court is making them go through this, when the surrogate supports them also! I agree with you I thought when I clicked on this that it would be a surrogate issue. This is ridiculous I don't understand how this can happen

@@adjjal more like it’s just stupid to go through adoption of your own birth kids. That makes no sense

Yeah, you guys it’s a Michigan Law. Check your State laws, lots of States have much better laws on the subject, more family friendly- Michigan (outside Detroit) is super conservative and they made these laws to make it difficult for gay couples who use surrogates - they just didn’t expect a straight, white couple to use a surrogate in Michigan.

Yeah that’s what I thought too

Me too!

Same that's what I thought too! God bless!

Me too.

Yes ,i thought the same....

Right! I was worried the surrogate was trying to keep the babies from how the title was worded

It is a disgusting law because you believe it is OK to buy a woman’s life for 9 months to have your child? The law isn’t perfect, but it is there to protect the surrogate, whom in many places has no parental rights after birthing a child.

@@thomasreedy4751 the law shouldn’t prevent TWO biological parents from having custody of their biological children because of the vagina they came out of. I understand the need for laws to protect the children involved and the surrogate in certain cases. What I don’t understand is how in a case where the surrogate shares absolutely no biological connection to the children yet she is still given legal custody of them. These parents should not have to go through The adoption system to have legal rights to their own children. 90% of people who have children would never have kids if they had to go through the adoption system just to take them home.

@@thomasreedy4751 “……there to protect the surrogate, whom in many places has no parental rights after birthing a child.” And that’s how it SHOULD be in every state, every case. No surrogate should ever have parental rights over children they birthed as that is the entire point of being a surrogate. They have zero biological connection to the child. The egg and sperm came from the paying parents. It is their biological child. Point blank period. Surrogates are essentially an oven to bake goods, but the goods do not belong to them. Crude analogy but it is what it is and that’s why that are paid so much money. American law is a shitshow.

Change it to contract based. Must have a agreement prior to birth and if no contract then who ever gives birth is responsible for the kid and no other is responsible for child support.

Or great way for a state to make more money on the backs of constituents! Michigan and all the judges involved should be ashamed.

It's not the judicial system. It is the laws. They need to have some law changes then the courts could follow those laws.

They didn’t birth the kid. A guy who doesn’t have any dna, isn’t married to a women can be liable for child support so a person who birthed a kid should have the right to keep it.

@@lastlime3792 it’s biologically their child, all their DNA, and the woman who “cooked” them isn’t trying to keep them. The twins live with their parents. Also, in what state is a man with no biological attachment libel for child support unless he adopted the kid? Haven’t you ever watched Maury, that’s why these people do paternity tests. They want to prove they aren’t responsible for child support… all this is, is a way for Michigan to capitalize on this situation getting paid for background checks, home visits, court fees, etc. There is also a contract that says these are the parents and lays out what the woman providing a womb will get for her service, no reason to require these extra hoops!

The State Legislature and state Representatives create and vote for these laws, not the Judicial system that has to apply them. Contact your Reps. Vote.

Wow

Truth

And that surprises you?? This is why abortion needs to be legal in all states.

@@kaceeharrison3715 yes let's murder children that will fix it....

@@kaceeharrison3715 may GOD have mercy and forgive u. Pray and ask HIM for mercy

Yes, they need to go back and look at this law and fix what's wrong with it.

Based on the title I clicked on this expecting a complete me a different story. They are very lucky that the surrogate is sticking with the parents

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The State Legislature writes the laws. Contact them. Vote.

The surrogate has nothing to do this. It's Michigan law. And it happens all the time

She probably did do temporary guardianship at the birth but the want legal custody of the kids. She couldn’t do the full custody without court approval

Extra money for politicians, also stops trafficking of kids, and set legal financial responsibility.

@Christina Bonvillian who has no rights?

@Christina Bonvillian lol dumbass. 👍🏾 you clearly don’t know how surrogacy works nor the legality of custody and adoption in Michigan. But I’m the dumbass….. ok buddy

Plus the surrogate isn’t fighting to keep the kids It would only be understandable if the surrogate and birth parents were fighting for custody of the kids but in this case they aren’t since the surrogate is a family friend and is on the birth parents side . This law should be taken away for those that have a surrogate on their side. It makes no sense if the surrogate is not fighting for custody of the kids then the kids are defiently legally their birth parents kids their surrogate is not trying to keep the kids for herself.

@Allison Hunter you don’t move out of the state you get a surrogate in another state. The laws are outdated, but they should’ve known better.

@Allison Hunter I’m confused I don’t know one intended parent family who had to move states to do surrogacy within the state their surrogate is. What?!

@@leah6015 the surrogate was a family friend. So you're saying she should have just up and moved out of state, or they just should have found another family friend willing to do it? Hiring a surrogate is insanely expensive, people are crazy lucky when they have a friend or family member willing to do it.

@@MissLizaMay who moves out of state for a surrogate? No intended parents has to. Read my comments again I’m sticking up for intended parents…no intended parents moves out of state for a surrogate 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️. But you have to follow state law, if it’s illegal to do surrogacy in a certain state you DONT do surrogacy in that state-you find a different surrogate in a different state. Period. It’s not right, but it’s how it is. The USA has hodge podge surrogacy laws, no federal law. Do I think it’s right? No. But you do have to follow state laws to not be put into a legal mess. Btw, it doesn’t matter where IPs live it only matters where the gestation carrier lives whether it’s legal or not. So no IPs are moving states. 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️ Thanks I do in fact know how much it is ive done two journeys myself.

They can dictate a man who doesn’t have any dna to a child, isn’t married or involved with a women be deemed responsible to pay child support..... take money from his accounts,put leans and put him in jail🤔

The state legislature writes the laws.

@BrianaLoveW I wondered that too. I find the whole thing strange. In Canada, family law is the purview of the federal government, so it's consistent across the board.

I'm also from Michigan and my fiance and I listen to this story and are completely heartbroken for this family, we've had similar issues in conceiving and have considered many options. This is scary to see happening

They are both the biological parents, not just the father. The surrogate just carried them.

Yea I was thinking that too.

@@Neishas_Place yeah but since the surrogate is listed as the mother by law. And the father can be put on the birth certificate. Why is his parenting rights not accepted??

That’s what I’m confused about too. Why isn’t he accepted as the bio father??? A child HAS to have a biological father no matter what. That can’t be disputed. So I don’t get why he can’t be listed. I also don’t understand why the surrogate can’t just sign over her “rights” to them. It doesn’t make any sense.

They mean legally on paper/birth certificate

The surrogate has no rights to the child, that's what a surrogate is, just a vessel. They're saying it's a technicality because they were premature and not full term so it would technically violate their contract. I do hope they adjust the laws after this because really any legal representation can look at this case and see that nothing has changed to the arrangement at all. The timing of the birth should have nothing to do with it. It's all technical jargon that they unfortunately got caught up in.

she doesn't have the rights to them. that's the whole issue.

The state legislature writes the laws.

@Christina Bonvillian I know right! But it would squash the issue right away and save time and thousands of dollars what a waste of tax payer money that judge should be disbarred.

He's a happy ball of sunshine

The surrogate doesn’t have any relations to the babies. She was only carrying the twins for the parents.

@Christina Bonvillian well biologically, your wrong.

You sound like someone who has never faced fertility problems, lucky for you. Adoption isn't possible or desirable for everyone, and can be more expensive than surrogacy.

Then make adoption easier and cheaper.

i strongly disagree. some people want biological children and cannot have them. it is extremely expensive to adopt, and surrogacy can actually be free if the surrogate is willing.

Touching and agreeing amen and amen 💯 😇 🙏

They like money.

Children are in the parents custody, they live with them, but don't have full rights. It's like a foster situation.