Mike Austin Hand Action: Classic vs. Modern

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In this video, Steve takes a deep dive into the two styles of release or hand action presented over the years by Mike Austin and his scions.
Dubbed 'Classic' and 'Modern', Steve highly recommends you follow the same style that Mike performed during his prime and advocated for over 50 years.
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@satoriwa 4 месяца назад

Mike Austin would be proud of you because of the way that you are keeping his teachings true to the letter. Thanks you're a true blessing to golf and to Life.

@leiperesyub3390 Год назад

Steve's way of teaching golf is clear, detailed, and easily understandable -- making sure that nothing is left to wonder about. Many thanks Steve.

@rcbutler5311 3 года назад

Perfect description! Exactly what I’ve been feeling! 👍😎

@kerrys.5725 3 года назад

I GUESS WHAT I AM TRYING TO ,SAY IS THAT DAN NEVER PROFESSED NOT ROLLING THE ARMS AFTER IMPACT AND HIS SWING OR HIS STUDENTS NOT CHICKEN WINGING THROUGH THE SWING IS PROOF OF THIS. LOVE YOUR VIDEOS! TYSM!

@davidjames3164 2 года назад

Thanks. Great clarity on the different techniques

@gustavomarks1913 4 года назад

I love your videos, man!. They are very instructional and clear to me! Thank you

@Inmotion70 4 года назад

Cheers!

@brucebalsano2441 3 года назад

You did an excellent job of presenting this analysis. I have forever been trying to get info re hand action.....from anybody! and most of the time they just look at me curiously. I have seen the "OLD" Mike Austin video before but the old tv show was phenomenal. Thanks for the assist in figuring out what it all meant.

@Inmotion70 3 года назад

Cheers Bruce!

@ryanswiggs 2 года назад

brilliant video and lesson, thank you! MA is an absolute legend, thank you for carrying it on

@marcussheldon9220 4 года назад

Great video again Steve, thanks for explanation your the best 👏🏌️

@Marta_Lledo_Video_Channel 3 года назад

Steve, I am 68 trying to get some distance back. I stopped playing for about 8 years after 2 herniated disks. Watching the exercise Mr. Austin demonstrates at 5:33 is amazing. This is very similar to something I stumbled on in 1993. I remember practicing the feeling of the club starting down on it's own, letting gravity start the downswing. Once the club started down without me pushing it, I could add power, and everything else would fall into place seemingly automatic, no flipping or pushing it right! Also a feeling of trying to get my right hand as close to my right pants pocket or thigh as possible as I turned into the ball. I was used to shooting maybe 15 over at the time but once I started this I was breaking 80 and within a couple weeks I shot a 75! The 75 was in Lancaster Texas and I was faced with one shot over a full grown oak tree. 145 or more out, normally an 8 or even 7 iron but couldn't get them over so I hit a nine and "turned the pizza box." I got it over and on the green. I spent 3 months with no score worse than 81 or 82 but not knowing how to keep it going the magic left me. I can't wait to get out and apply some of your tips and this exercise in particular. I was a 8 handicap (they made me play to a 5 in the club skins games) at my best hitting drives about 270 with a slight draw. At 68 I am fighting to constantly average over 220. I have never heard anyone touch on that "pendulum" swing before but I used the same term trying to explain the feeling to my son back then. This I think will help a great deal! Sorry the story is almost a book, but I am way excited by this! Thanks!!!!

@Inmotion70 3 года назад

I'm very excited for you! Please come back and update us when you can.

@rao4sos 3 года назад

@@Inmotion70 That was exciting. Mike would have loved it too.

@Inmotion70 3 года назад

@@rao4sos Great to see you Rao! Hope you're well sir.

@tejanochris 4 года назад

Mike Austin is the method I use. Works incredibly well. Used it on the course. Serious distance. Still working on it. Will use it again this Sunday.

@ryanswiggs 2 года назад

how is it a year on?

@thilog5874 Год назад

As I tried both method I can tell, both work well. I think it is a matter of personal taste and how much work you wanna put into it. The new Austin move, and by the way there is a video from Mike Austin rules where the master himself says that he is not promoting the roll anymore, is in my opinion easier to learn and execute. And as we are all amateurs I prefer a method which is easier to learn and execute.

@hubbinsurance Год назад

So I'm 53 and was once a scratch player. This move I completely stumbled upon myself on the range and its legit!! Hit a 3 wood, granted down wind 338 yrds the other day.

@cryptoking8060 5 месяцев назад

That takeaway is what the majority of top tour players do. The back of the hand pointing to the ground somewhat on the takeaway really solves a load of swing issues. It changed my swing massively after yrs of rolling the face open on the takeaway a la Hogan which tended to have the club move inside too soon. We all know what develops from there: the dreaded over the top move. Now my plane is solved and the swing downward and thru the ball is from in to out not over the top, which happened for yrs with the inside, roll the face open takeaway. I ended up playing a pull cut for yrs now it's a natural draw. Great video and explanations.

@supplehons4662 2 года назад

A cool video would be one in which you make a couple of swings using both the Austin classical and Austin modern release and show the results, Trackman data, etc...

@geekone6621 4 года назад

Steve, I have the Austin DVDs and the Shauger DVDs and your summary is perfect. That said, what I had never noticed before and was in your clip, was the “pressing down of the thumbs” at the start of the downswing in conjunction with the turn. Are the pressing down of the thumbs, sort of a throwing motion of the club shaft backwards and down, THE throwing motion so often stated / discussed? From the Austin / Dunaway DVDs seemed to show a different hand action and Shauger had the spinning meatballs visual. Thumbs seem a lot easier... Help?

@mgvgG2 4 года назад

Dustin Johnson has the shauger release ...My miss is a hook since incorporating the shauger hand action I haven’t hit that 100 yard hook the and shauger release gives me confidence, like you said it’s a passive roll after impact.

@will8804 2 года назад

Thank you for clearing things up 👍🏻

@Noallegiance 2 года назад

I just did this at the range. I've been trying to hang onto lag for 15 years. Tonight I'd let my right elbow go high in the backswing then just smacked the crap out of it with my right hand, feeling like I was crossing them over fast. Didn't turn my hips, just swung them under me. The faster and more freely I did it the further and straighter it went. 140PW 250 carry 3 wood. And so easy. Just incredible.

@Jsizzle6809 5 месяцев назад

Sounds like Freddie couples. He cranks that right shoulder/elbow back real far and then fully releases those hands hard through impact. Lots of effortless speed. Fred’s my fav!

@fingerputting4353 3 года назад

Seemed pretty confusing at first but it all makes sense toward the end of the video. Good stuff Steve!

@stanleygreen7795 Год назад

Excelllent video, Steve. I have seena video where Mike Austin is showing Mike Dunaway how to windl up his R arm. That is pronate or bend his R wrist backwards and allow the R arm to externally rotate. This is reversed on the downswing, fascilitating the flap before the roll. The left hand rotates clockwise . dan advocates similar move with R hand-but his L hand counter rotates (knuckles down)

@kenBard 2 дня назад

I learned and practiced Dan's swing many years ago - and I do remember once I got it down I was hitting straight always... but it was not comfortable to keep that going. I did however at that time hit my longest drive (400 yds) with that swing. I finally gave it up and came back to the standard Mike Austin swing, which is easier on my back, when I don't "try" to swing hard. After not playing for about 1.5 yrs (because of back issues) I came back here learn the basics again and amazing not long into a practice session at the range I was making great contact and hitting far and straight with all my irons - I am struggling with applying the same swing to my driver though.

@Inmotion70 2 дня назад

Feels like I've heard of you Ken.

@mikeljudson4968 2 года назад

Great stuff

@Jsizzle6809 5 месяцев назад

You’ve got a great looking swing. Looks like you hit it a long ways. A twin Mike Austin!

@randysallade9468 4 года назад

Funny twisting back on his lead foot as he moves into the impact position!

@patmclaughlin9114 4 года назад

Thanks that was interesting. Do you sell a video with all of Mike Austin's demonstrations in the skeleton suit? I would be interested.

@Inmotion70 4 года назад

Yes they are all on my site. Https://www.hititlonger.com/pro-shop

@francophillips2156 4 года назад

Great video Steve. I've been practicing dans hand action. I had questions about the difference and you answered them. Will try the classic way with foam balls at the park. Golf closed in Wa state. I am wondering if Jaacob Bowden still incorporates Dans techniques these days.

@Inmotion70 4 года назад

Looking at old swing videos of his....he actually never did.

@Inmotion70 4 года назад

Either did John Marshall.

@jasonhmclean 4 года назад

Nice. Love your videos. Feet action is interesting.

@eggsmann594 3 года назад

I actively release on EVERYTHING!, even a low runner short chip

@detlefstronk9479 3 года назад

Hi Steve, what about the „twirl“ Shauger recommends? This seems to give much speed to the hand motion too.

@Far2hip Год назад

Holy CRAP Steve!!! 😵😵😵 When I just heard you say that it was suggested to roll your left wrist over going up into the backswing, I almost spit my coffee, lol. I can absolutely attest, this DEFINITELY works in some VERY interesting and unexpected ways. The chain reaction from how this little twist loads and sets your forearms is just to damn cool. Let me be clear, I’m not talking about rolling it over really far as you are showing, but rather just a very slight movement over. Maybe a quarter or half an inch. But don’t feel that you need to hold that all the way through the swing. Only do this little fractional twist while pulling your takeaway. After watching a whole lot of slow motion pro golfer swings, I swear I was seeing them do exactly this slight forward roll/tuck under move within the first three feet of the take back as they were bringing the club back and up onto the backswing. So I worked in/incorporated the feel of exactly that same move into my draw back of the club in my backswing. The results from just that little twist forward of how it actually floated that club up and through the transition to the downswing was incredible. ABSOLUTELY did not expect THAT. What was even more interesting was, as I made my arm drop going into my forward rotation, the ergonomic feel of the club was VERY powerful and when I dropped the hammer and let it whip through the bottom of the swing, not sure how to describe this but, it never felt so effortless to provoke a club to feel like it was going to leave my hands from centrifugal force. Mind you, the only change was twisting my left hand over a bit which made me feel like I needed to reach a little farther out to the perimeter of the swing circle. But what that little twist set up as a next progression of positions in my swing sequence was friggin AWESOME. AND, these actions repeated automatically every time I did that little twist. So as you can probably guess, I drilled that in as a natural attribute of my stock swing and I seriously have never been more consistent with dead straight pure strikes AND mishits. It beautiful. After all the work I put into my swing studying tips and doing drills from you, Pete Cowan, Danny Maude, and the guys from AMG, that last little twist I noticed was the icing on the cake. Your tips and instructions have been absolutely pivotal in achieving my success. How good has my swing become. Let’s put it this way. If my swing was a fish, I would spare no expense in having it stuffed and mounted over my fireplace, for the winter, and carefully take it down readying it for spring, lol. Thanks man!!!👍🏻😎👍🏻

@Inmotion70 Год назад

Hey that's awesome! I love this comment!

@jeffepperson99 4 года назад

Hey Steve just wanted to say being some what new to this (method) I used to be like a two hand roller, I know this works better because when I somewhat forget to “flap” I draw or hook to ball, when I “flap” correctly it’s straight, still work in progress I think for all your hard work I’ll sign up! Thanks again, and I loved the video you did with Eric! Stay well and Safe!

@Inmotion70 4 года назад

The videos with Eric really turned out good!

@marcussheldon9220 4 года назад

Hi is that Eric Cogorno?.... if so can you leave me the link as I cannot find it. Thank you

@jeffepperson99 4 года назад

Yes! The throw out method - more speed, more Distance Eric Cogorno golf. excellent video, Steve is really good enjoy the video

@Inmotion70 4 года назад

@@jeffepperson99 Glad you enjoyed the collaboration!

@Inmotion70 4 года назад

@@marcussheldon9220 Yes we did a collaboration.

@Mrthomasvids 3 года назад

I’ve always said that Wayne Levi was one of the best ball strikers. Would like you to comment on his release position at impact. Thanks Chris

@Inmotion70 3 года назад

He was like Scott Hoch...a bit unconventional and not a long hitter...but certainly an ATM machine.

@MikeHatzilias 4 года назад

The "flapping" action is just a natural tossing, throwing motion. And personally I think the left hand is just passive. Many call it a flip, well then, every throw, jumpshot, wrist shot, baseball swing etc, would be "flips". I call it a follow thru. The left arm and hand are just guides along for the ride. Excellent video

@Inmotion70 4 года назад

It's so simple when you compare it to these other sports...I'm amazed when people disagree on this point.

@rickroy4556 3 года назад

Hi Steve, what's your link for the 8-4 pivot move?

@lesliewoodcock5880 4 года назад

Great video. David DUVAL de-throned Tiger with the flap and roll!

@8uvrays 2 месяца назад

I must have watched him in the skeleton suit dozens of times and never caught the reference to the thumbs. Tried it as a shadow stroke and it is a blast. Back to the drawing board.

@jbw749 4 года назад

Steve, I'm glad you said to some it may just feel like a flap and then the roll happens naturally. Just don't try hold off the roll. I feel like if you get too wrapped up thinking about the roll it's going to happen too early and face gets closed to the arc. Is the trick for max speed to absolutely snap the roll post impact, but to maintain the flap until impact? So from the top the intent would be to flap and snap, but to train that snap to happen post impact?

@Inmotion70 4 года назад

Don't delay the flap either....it's step and flap just like you are hitting a home run. If you wanted to hit a stinger or a low wind shot, you would then delay the flap.

@luisjuarez1200 4 года назад

Thanks for the video Steve. Question on the toll part in Austin’s skeleton suit video where he says that he squares the blade by turning the forearm bones, are you saying that this is the roll part and also that it happens after impact? If it happens after impact, why was Austin saying that (or seemed like) it needed to happen prior to contact with the ball?

@luisjuarez1200 4 года назад

At the 3:19 point in this (your) video.

@davidd1395 4 года назад

Excellent Steve, but what about Mr. Austin’s action of applying speed with the thumbs? That seems like a good idea, I’ve never thought of that or tried that, have you? Thanks!

@Inmotion70 4 года назад

That's the in plane force which uncocks the wrists.

@alanscott8067 3 года назад

It’s important to point out that Dan Shauger advocated that rotation of the lead arm happens at the shoulder socket not the forearms. Mike Austin did mention supination and pronation of the forearms but can be seen also in the Dunaway lessons explaining that the primary action of internal and external rotation of the lead arm at the shoulder joint is primary in order to not impede the path of The club head. Dan Shauger also mentions that point in video using Jacob Bowden as his model. The hands alone are not able to consistently control the club face without the use of the rotator muscles of the shoulder joint including the scapula and the pivot of the body. Certainly on short shots the hands are usually more than enough but not on swings where one has a weight shift to increase distance. The reason for this simply comes down to basic anatomy. Bigger and slower muscles control the full length of the body’s limbs whereas smaller muscles control hinge joints. Simply being able to rotate the palm of the hand using your bicep muscle is not a justification for that action being given so much importance other than to minimize it so that it does not interfere with the muscles that actually connect limbs to the torso and already influence the club face themselves in conjunction with the tilt of the body at address. So in conclusion I won’t condemn forearm action to manipulate shot shape as long as one is willing to make the shot shape the goal over max distance. I will however say that this rotation of the club face does nothing to add distance to one’s swing only too many muscles attempting to square the blade. Quite hands are not about no forearm action only minimal to prevent exaggerated use and shot inconsistencies.

@Inmotion70 3 года назад

You've made so many anatomical errors here that I don't know where to begin. Go back and watch Jaacob again. You cannot find me a video where he actually employs the Shauger hand action going back.

@alanscott8067 3 года назад

@@Inmotion70 The following videos all explain what I was explaining in my original post to your modern vs classic release. Which by the way I think your swing is excellent. By no means am I judging you at all so let’s clear that of the table. I’ve watch your very detailed videos from start to finish and relish in your in person lessons from Mike Austin who did actually use more than one hand action in his teachings depending on the time the student was learning from him. Both Austin and Dunaway spoke of pronation of the lead arm during Austinology Tapes and later on in the privacy of Mikes home can be seen discussing the lead wrist Palm flexion and trail wrist pronation to keep the trail elbow on plane without getting stuck as it folds up! (The bowed left wrist at the top!) One thing that is very important to keep in mind about Dan Shauger was in reference to Mike Austin’s compound pivot as it pertains to the twist away wrist action. They had according to Dan in one of his videos a difference of opinion over how the pivot works with the new release that Austin was speaking about. It is of utmost importance that one does not mix Austin’s new release with the modern teachings of the golf swing since the use of the legs today and the weight shift are much different than they were in Mike,s swing and in videos where he taught various pros in his clinics. I don’t know your back ground prior to Mike’s lessons you had so if you already rolled your forearms on the backswing and downswing why would he advise you to change something that he himself did do and explain in various swing videos. He did also teach the opposite in clinics or demonstrations and to me he looked fully confident in his explanation as it was before his stroke using a one iron! In truth as long as what you are doing does not impede the free release( rolling or not) through impact and you are consistent enough to manage your ball around the course while being satisfied with the scores you shoot then keep up the good work. I think you will agree that giving yourself the greatest chance to consistently time your impact sending the ball to your target is really the true measure of your ball striking ability! If you cannot do that then it would be of the greatest importance to get clarification as to why your inconsistent at impact in order to practice the correct body actions to achieve higher quality results. Obviously you are from my observations of your swing videos performing your swing exceptionally! Shauger was an advocate of using as much of Austin’s pivot and hand action that your body allows you to based on age, or physical limitations. Better to use a portion correctly rather than over reach in frustration! So anyway here are the searches for some videos pertaining to our discussion. Please watch them with an open mind like Einstein and Borh had to have in order to appreciate the other’s observations. 1) Mike Dunaway Explains Hans Action. 2) Jaacob Bowden Spin the meatball concept 3) David Duval describing the Austin No Face rotation release 4) David Duval Discusses Hands Release part 1 & 2 5) Jaacob Bowden Video Testimonial of Dan Shauger Golf 6) Mike Austin Riveria Clinic (In this video Mike specifically explains the way he starts the backswing and counter rotates the trial forearm to keep the trail elbow in front of his body rather then get stuck behind him and why!). All while smashing his one iron😊 7) Dan Shauger Release (Jaacob Bowden is used in this demonstration). Notice that Jaacob’s lead shoulder externally rotated post impact allowing the elbow stay under his lead hand preventing the chicken wing that you said happens in your video on Dan Shauger’s counter wrist action takeaway/release. I know Dan said in one of his videos that the lead shoulder must rotates in the socket to keep the club on plane in the follow through but I saw that one several years ago when I was a member on his sight and cannot remember the video title. Most of his RU-vid videos are segments of full ones from his sight I was a member of a few years ago prior to his death. Jaacob had some videos on his Swing Man sight but I am not a member on it any longer either. Anyway I doubt your going to see my point here and that’s totally fine. I will continue to watch your stuff and take from it stuff that I consider essential and not fret over what may not apply to my swing. I prefer a simple single plane swing like Moe Norman’s over the two planes commonly taught today. Max distance isn’t my goal by any means the least complicated and easiest to time with the least practice is. I prefer to practice situational shots as opposed to my full swing since I never truly swing full for any club including the driver! Thanks for your feedback and keep up the great swing😎

@brichardson7884 3 года назад

Great video, would be interesting to see Jaacob Bowden's input. I was under the impression he used Dan's technique for awhile

@redhed9776 3 года назад

now there's a name from the past....wonder how he's doing these days?

@brichardson7884 3 года назад

@@redhed9776 he has a channel, mostly does golf fitness stuff it seems

@migbgold3191 4 года назад

Nice video Steve. I’m a former hockey player and know for sure that my effort to manipulate a golf swing using the awkward lead wrist flexion has held me back. My natural movement with the stick is to exert loads of outward force with my wrists - but Dan’s method takes that away. The original Austin method in conjunction with a proper body pivot and rotation is so obvious to me the athletic move through and beyond impact. Wrists and forearms have to release - I could hit wrist shots sending a puck at 100 MPH and a full on slap shot with ground forces far faster than that; your video illustrates key differences that personally resonate with me and have convinced me to apply my natural stick instincts which I’ve been holding back for some reason in the golf swing (and I think it’s because all this instruction out there about handle pulling and flexion of the lead wrist)

@Inmotion70 4 года назад

Well that's awesome! And if you can hit 100 mph wristers you should absolutely crack 140 mph with a golf club.

@migbgold3191 4 года назад

I hope i can - your classic release sure feels more athletic for me. I know people like Dustin Johnson hold off that forearm rotation super late - but he’s a relative freak! I’m converting to the classic release ASAP - all that holding off of the forearms has made me one heck of a frustrated player aside from short chipping.

@Inmotion70 4 года назад

@@migbgold3191 He's coming about 3-4 degrees outside in at it, which allows him to use less forearm rotation.

@Marta_Lledo_Video_Channel 3 года назад

My name is Mark, the picture is my wife. She is a pianist and I help with her videos. Anyway, watching further, I can say I only needed to consciously try to keep an even rhythm and feel a pause at the top. I tried to keep a mental picture of the non hurried swing of a pendulum on a grandfather clock and would practice that over and over as Mr. Austin was doing. Of course over the ball I would take it back and start down in that fashion but then accelerate though. Still, if I started back with that rhythm and let gravity start the downswing I could add a great deal of force coming into the ball but there was no active work at all to square the club face. That was automatic without any thought or effort.

@claudiochisani4120 3 года назад

Flap it and roll it, that is a great swing thought. And the body pivot takes care of the closing of the club face. Thanks. I noticed that, if I don't roll the forearms, the body is stuck and fights the weight transfer. Probably out of self preservation, lol. Driver I assume the same concept, I know you advocate same swing for all clubs.

@Inmotion70 3 года назад

Good concepts.

@thurlestonetennis2447 4 года назад

Steve, I enjoyed your recent collaboration with Eric Cogorno where you demonstrated the upwards, backwards and away from target path of the club head at transition. When you demonstrated the hand action with the speed whoosh on the downswing the club head accelerated 180 degrees, but would this not mean that the club head would be well forward of the hands at impact. Mike Austin clearly shows a neutral wrist, in terms of flexion/extension, at contact. Grateful if you could provide the missing piece in the jigsaw puzzle to reconcile these two actions/positions, as I am slightly confused at the moment. Then I hope that I also will be able to meet you longer and further down the fairway. Keep up the great videos. Many thanks.

@Inmotion70 4 года назад

What you're seeing is the release action isolated. When blended with a proper pivot, it will time out perfectly to give you a neutral wrist at impact.

@thurlestonetennis2447 4 года назад

Steve Pratt Golf - Steve, many thanks for clarifying so promptly.

@dry509 Год назад

Not quite getting how to do the back swing and down swing flapping action? Tried to do it today on the golf course. I am a high handicapper still struggling with ball contact/low point issues.

@sivle4007 Год назад

I assume you use the "flap" with driver as well? Seems like it would encourage a closed and steep angle of attack or does the tilt help offset that?

@stevenbutel7096 3 года назад

Steve - where does Mike Austin talk about or even show the "flap action" that you have advocated in other videos?

@billyfromla1117 3 года назад

Thanks.

@jamesscinto5221 Год назад

Excellent explanation about the hand movements but I read a book by Joe Dante the 4 magic moves I might be wrong but I think he’s the one invented that scenario.

@christopherdoran3608 3 года назад

Rotate open and smash it with the right hand and release after impact is so consistent for me. Tiger says he trusts his hands. Fine motor is the game

@Inmotion70 3 года назад

"It's in the HONS MON!"

@Sanholomc 5 месяцев назад

I was on the site and can't find your Mike Austin program

@rtmiv2030 4 года назад

I wish I could get the timing down to do the classic release but mostly I hit low hooks. I am about to give this game up.

@Inmotion70 4 года назад

The classic release moves the clubface square to square through the impact zone. If you are hooking the ball it means your body is not in position to support it...i.e. pivot is off.

@slipperman1633 4 года назад

Ram 1v ,I'm going s&t style swing ,nick Taylor and tom saguto do great vids on it,this type of swing has to many moving parts ,I recommend you at least look at it

@rtmiv2030 4 года назад

@@slipperman1633 I watch Tom Saguto and subscribed to him also. Been watching a bunch of Mike Malaska and he had some good info on how the hands work and how to properly use your hips. His info and what Steve Pratt explains seem to go hand in hand. All great info on the golf swing.

@user-uy3et5su4p 9 месяцев назад

Can a Bobby Jones and Austin be utilized in some way I love the tip on the right knee extending toward the ball during only with driver I presented that Thank you so much Is there a set of balls and clubs you recommend

@user-uy3et5su4p 9 месяцев назад

You represented error

@sandeepstar 3 года назад

Steve, I just watched a Dan Shauger video in which he talks about the cone concept and how the Austin swing uses the bottom half of the cone versus the conventional swing that uses the top half. Super interesting, did you ever hear Mike Austin describe it in this way or is this something that Dan Shauger came up with?

@Inmotion70 3 года назад

That's a Shauger concept.

@OpaKnows 4 года назад

Wow. That was... Wow.

@johncappella1216 Год назад

In Dan's method turn right hand under left, works great for a power fade.

@Inmotion70 Год назад

Will only work with a good hand path, which he taught the opposite of.

@paultompkins6148 4 года назад

Steve, have you ever done a video on where Mike Austin gets the club at left arm parallel and how he lifts his arms from there? You can see this in his earlier videos of his swing. He also touches on this in his video with MD. I ask for two reasons, firstly because my interpretation of his initial takeaway seems to be a mixture of what you are discussing all be it that Mike did it more with his hands. Secondly and of more interest to me is how he went from left arm parallel with the club looking inside but is on plane as he describes to lifting the arms and the effect this has on shoulder blades. Hope this makes sense. Love your thoughts on what I believe is the best way to swing a club and after using this method I am at least a club and a half longer with my irons.😃😃👍

@Inmotion70 4 года назад

Cheers Paul! At that point you have momentum to carry the club up. We just try to keep winding up the torso and the shoulder blades.

@paultompkins6148 4 года назад

Steve Pratt Golf Many thanks.

@Inmotion70 4 года назад

@@paultompkins6148 Cheers Paul. Thanks for watching.

@jbgolf26 2 года назад

Can confirm that little flap move causes a chicken wing, probably been doing that for 20 years. Works awesome for little short game shots but I cannot get the club face square on a full swing. Left arm rotation and and right arm crossing over the left have saved the game for me.

@tomvaughan9846 Год назад

Hi Steve, noticed you got stuck releasing the "Dan" version. I think its because you didn't reverse roll the release i.e., your left forearm would roll clockwise (righty) so left hand points to target. See that position loads on tour

@mltdwg Год назад

I found your left heel move a bit before the down swing, and stay open when finished.

@felixjuanvazquez-rivera51 3 года назад

The hand action that you are showing appears to be a scooping action and I was told to hit with the back of the left hand through the hitting area.

@demzunoplayer 4 года назад

Interesting. Confusing also. The old method of release is powerful (cross over), but the face is not square for long unless the turn is perfect and not stalled to an early stop. The more modern approach is not as powerful but creates more shaft lean and a de-lofted flight (longer), with the face square for moments longer.

@Inmotion70 3 года назад

This is not correct. The 'Old Method' is the ONLY way you can possibly swing a golf club unless you're holding it off or doing something terribly wrong. The order is FLAP then CROSS OVER.

@davidmcnamara3243 Год назад

@@Inmotion70 I totally agree, that this is the only way to swing a golf club. All that rubbish about swinging low left and keeping the club face square by closing it with your body, only negates the power of centrifugal force.

@mibaer71 3 года назад

Seems to me like David Duval used kind of Shauger technique with a very closed clubface in the takeaway and a flip release, didn´t he?

@petrzima3704 3 года назад

Nice video, lot of great info. But the sound effects man.... crushing my ears! Always scares the ...t out of me :-D

@stevenbutel7096 3 года назад

Steve - sorry another observation. Mike talks about using his thumbs to impart force on the handle to throw the club head so it catches up to his body. That hand action advocated by Mike is more of a chopping motion while turning your body. The flapping motion, which in another video you state should start as you start the downswing, is very different. How do we reconcile Mike stated hand motion with your stated flapping motion? They seem to be quite different.

@Inmotion70 3 года назад

The hands do both. The flap dominates the impact zone. There is in plane torque, and out of plane torque.

@ryanscubarhino201 2 года назад

Going to give this a try I keep keeping the face open need to turn the forearm arm over early flapping and rolling earlier I guess

@vektacular 5 месяцев назад

I never noticed before steve but your front foot actually comes entirely off the ground for a split second….i think it’s definitely a good thing…,it’s still very tight but take a look….its not just the heel coming up it’s the entire foot maybe about a centimeter to readjust your front hip to support a more powerful follow through.

@khalil5718 3 года назад

Hi , thank you Steve, i got more distance, but i start hooking the balls, especialy with long irons ...

@Inmotion70 3 года назад

You're probably not sequencing the hips right.

@khalil5718 3 года назад

@@Inmotion70 Thanks

@richardparry5019 4 года назад

Steve, how does Mr.Austins wrist work apply resort and mid irons? Maybe I missed it. Scott

@Inmotion70 4 года назад

Same action on all clubs.

@billybastar4022 2 года назад

Hi Steve, is your swoosh tool ambidextrous? Can’t tell from the only pic on your store site

@Inmotion70 2 года назад

Yes!

@freowho9974 2 года назад

I think the point is that the crossover happens on it's own from the momentum of a full swing and you don't have to do it intentionally.

@Inmotion70 2 года назад

I like the way you put it.

@ozziebrito4527 3 года назад

Gah me you for sharing Steve. I will practice that wrist flap action lol. At least try.

@hughcapetien 3 года назад

So Mike Austin is essentially throwing the club out - a lot of wrist action - to catch up with the turning of the hips - right?

@MikeHatzilias 4 года назад

An aside to the "flap". The worst analogies perpetrated on the general golfing masses is the hammer and whip analogy. Both require a stalling action to perform. And the stalling will cause a flip. Try throwing anything while you're stalling the arms. The "flap" is executed within the pivot and full swing. Just mho

@stevemar8027 3 года назад

Steve. Do you do in person lessons in S California ?

@Inmotion70 3 года назад

Yes in Moorpark. Email me at Steve@hititlonger.com for rates and availability.

@petergregory7199 3 года назад

It’s great to watch your swings, Steve. They are clearer than words! Considering the hand action through impact is interesting. It is just natural, completely unforced. Impact is just prior to the bottom of the arc. All the forces created by the double pivot are aligned NATURALLY at this point. The centripetal force causes the arms to max out their extension, which returns the club face to square. As I see it, at this ‘moment’ the hands behave as one unit in the chain reaction. As the vertical line of balance through the heel and hip is passed continued torso rotation absorbs the excess energy. (Which Mike calls ‘dumping’ the club over the shoulder.) My efforts at present are focussed on getting the upper and lower torso to move as one. Old habits die hard, I guess!

@Inmotion70 3 года назад

Thanks Peter! Too kind.

@augmentedworldweb3701 Год назад

Well, you are right about one major thing. Everyone is confused about the release. And Dan Shauger confused a lot of people with his ideas. However, I’ve been looking at every clip and every instruction there is of the Austins swing for the last 15 years. Both of himself and of Dunaway. Everyone that tries to understand the smaller parts of the swing (the release in particular) seem to miss things and everyone say that he really did this or that and he said one thing but did another. He got old and so on. That I just don’t agree with. What I did early on was to not look at secondary sources. Dunaway and Shauger was still very much active som 15 years ago. But not even Mike Dunaway seem to translate everything even if I believe he was the one who had the best grasp of it other than Austin himself. Instead I concentrated after a year two only on what Austin himself say and what his swing looked like in reality. What his swing really looked like is hard as you basicly get a blur if you try to caption stills from it. Here is my take. 1. He never rolled his forearms in any of the swings I have seen. I have looked at frame by fram in almost all the low res movies there are (I have some higher quality on DVD). His whole arm rolles a tiny bit. And it rolles as a result of his shoulder turn as his arms follow the turn. His hands and wrist don’t turn independently. Just because Shauger was wrong (counter roll etc) doesn’t mean Austin actually rolled his forearms. He didn’t. And one way you know he didn’t is that you can look at where his clubface is pointing at the top of the swing. It always faces the sky. Atleast from the age of about 50 and onwards. And the reason for that is that he didn’t roll the club in the backswing. I do the exakt same thing. Too bad I can’t post images/videos here. Austin definitly slaps the ball in a similar way like Shauger said. You can see an extreme bend in Austins left hand in the impact zone. After that the left arm went a bit out and the back of the hand raise toward the sky. After a while momentum takes over. The left arm break and the left arm rotates in the shoulder joint. Forearms doesn’t rotate at all and there is no chicken wing. The arm rotates a bit in the socket joint on its way towards the sky. This is later than you show in your own swing. Your swing seem to go more around you than Austins swing. And at the top of your swing the toe of the club points much more downward. And you don’t have the slap position of left hand prior impact. Many of your positions are very Austin like, but those just aren’t. 2. The confusion other than everyone that tries to have their own interpretations is mostly down to that old black and white movie you show in you video above. I agree. In that video he does indeed show more of a classic roll over release. I don’t know why he showed it that way in that particular video because its not how he did it. Maybe it was because he wanted to simplyfy for the audience and not bring in new concepts like his own version of the release. Or maybe it was at such an early point in his teachings that he simply didn’t want to reveal his ”secret slap”. He has claimed in later videos that he kept it a secret. One other thing. I like your little research on the biography of Mike. I have done some myself that I’ll maybe put up some day. A bunch of old articles on him. All the way from the late 1930’s. And yes, he was 59 in 1974, not 64. It even says he was 59 in the articles from the time of his record drive. I also found his borta certificate and things from the navy and there was something about a plane crash.

@Inmotion70 Год назад

He stated that he was in the Canadian RAF but there are zero records of him. I have searched. If you have anything about him from the Navy or a plane crash please send it on!

@johncande1 4 года назад

How far past impact does the hand roll start?

@Inmotion70 4 года назад

Good question. Topic for another video. The left arm must be in the process of rolling through the impact zone before the hit or you will slice. Rolling the forearms can still keep the clubface moving square to square.

@sandeepstar 3 года назад

Even if you did this Modern hand action, wouldn't the spin the pizza box move in transition put you in the same position in the downswing regardless of whether you used either Classic or Modern hand action in the backswing?

@rao4sos 3 года назад

Your last name rocks.

@robertdelfendahl3737 4 года назад

Jacob Bowden, I believe that’s his name, was a student of Dan’s. Don’t know much about him, or how successful he was in long drive.

@Inmotion70 4 года назад

Jaacob never made it past the regional in long drive, nor made much money playing mini tours. Ultimately he has made his biggest mark in speed golf, placing top 10 nationally. Super smart and nice guy.

@rickmiller8893 5 месяцев назад

Do you think people have a terrible misunderstanding of a flat left wrist? I have thought and tried for many years to literally make it flat. After many years I'm thinking based on grip of course..a neutral or strong grip will have some hand cup and IS flat. Right?

@m3toz4 4 года назад

hi Steve, In one of Mike's video he clearly said that the left thumb has to reach the radius of the left hand circle before it turn over. He explained that if you slap the left back hand you will short cutting the circle and will top the ball. To me it makes lot of sense to do that because the club head circle will be the same right after impact or even a little bit wider. I see Mike club head travel so close to the ground after he hit the ball. He would take like 8 inches thin divot.

@pd9971 4 года назад

"Still goin".....David Simms

@leerogers9192 3 года назад

Doesn’t Jon Rahm use the palmer flex in his swing? His backswing is abbreviated.

@SCTV59 2 года назад

I have tried DS flap style...very awkward for me. Much more comfortable with classic MA style. I tried one summer to intentionally "square" my wrists every morning during net practice. Almost impossible. For me, it has to be intuitive at the point during exact impact..

@Latebloomergolf 2 года назад

...can you please tell me how Bowden learned to be a long drive competitor learning from Shrauger if the swing doesn't work after chipping and pitching.

@Inmotion70 2 года назад

Well he never made it past regionals, nor did he ever use Shauger's hand action. It is obvious watching him swing.

@Latebloomergolf 2 года назад

Wow I've rewatched every video and just incorporated the double wrist action and it's pretty amazing . Just swinging inside the house I thought the club was gonna fly out of my hand and into the TV tonight. Also unbelievably for some reason my contact is right on spot Everytime. I always thought this would cause me to flip or something into the ball but it's just produced more speed wow. Thanks man for making me rewatch these videos. Only been golfing for under a year and I've discovered the gold nugget. Now... practice!!

@nakoloc1040 3 года назад

Would it be accurate to say, a “flip” is an early release “flap”?

@Inmotion70 3 года назад

Yes. Although to me, a flip is a different motion than a flap.

@barebarekun161 4 года назад

I tried the classic release years ago and it didn't really improve my game much maybe I have terrible hand eye coordination I really struggled with the release that way. Sure I can hit longer that way but my main issue right now is to just hit them solid and straight I want to make sure I got that before I go back to classic release. I used both styles but lean more toward Dan's release since it allow me to enjoy the round more instead of thinking so much technique during the round.

@Inmotion70 4 года назад

I'd love to see a swing video sometime.

@garystromberg8856 3 года назад

Great content. I wish I could afford to come see you. The whole online lesson thing isn't for me. I really like your style

@Inmotion70 3 года назад

Thanks Gary!

@kerrys.5725 3 года назад

Actually Steve, I was referring to the release and not the backswing as you refer to in your reply below. See 11:50 mark in video. I am saying Dan's release does not result in a chicken wing as seen in his videos because he does roll the forearms after impact and does not try to hold on to the squaring of the release of the wrists as you demonstrate earlier in your video. Therefore, you can hit the ball far with Dan's method without resulting in the dreaded chicken wing. Mike actually corrects Mike Dunnaway in one of his videos on the rolling of the arms and the need to keep it square through impact, which is professing Dan's method. I will post the link and mark of the video in a reply to this post.

@Inmotion70 3 года назад

Actually you can't hit it as far because in his method the left wrist is in flexion at the top which is a weaker position than radial flexed.

@jboy5744 4 года назад

To me Dan’s interpretation is an unnatural move Austin’s is way more simple to accomplish. Steve, I slowed this down in hudl app and noticed that you do not flap or shallow club but you do roll almost immediately after impact. A big key to your impact vs amateurs is your head stays back and your hips move forward then right shoulder goes down.

@mibaer71 3 года назад

In my opinion the framerate of this video is not high enough to really assess the hand action during and immediately after impact. I think in the takeaway in Steve´s (very rhythmic and sound) swing the clubface is neutral to slightly closed, but surely not open. It seems to me there is more flipping action then rolling-over action in impact, but I´m not sure.

@maeu59 11 месяцев назад

Even with the flap move the right hand will naturally turn over the right after impact. That’s what Malaska teaches.

@Inmotion70 11 месяцев назад

Yes way way way after impact...halfway through the finish.

@pigslefats 4 года назад

Please flap and hold the position and then sloooowly from that position demonstrate how you then move into the roll. Thanks

@Inmotion70 4 года назад

OK I have made a note to do another video on that.

@jimmypeach8838 4 года назад

Awesome Steve.... I just learned Im a flapper hahaha but I use a strong left hand (top) and dont rotate till after contact and use a jumbo grip so less clubface turn. Sometimes less is more lol

@Inmotion70 4 года назад

Strong grips can be great for hitting fades...no roll just flap.

@jimmypeach8838 4 года назад

@@Inmotion70 I agree so many think strong means hooking but not if you're a flapper lol

@Inmotion70 4 года назад

@@jimmypeach8838 Most of the greatest faders had a strong grip.

@8uvrays 4 года назад

It seems to me that Mike Austin’s hand action, address position, body rotation, etc. is all about avoiding extremes. He seems to be dead set against extreme positions because they prevent supple quickness or am I missing something.

@Inmotion70 4 года назад

Interesting take. Let me think on it.

@anthonylennen4067 3 года назад

5It's awesome that this is 180 from what's being taught today plus the modern golf swing theories, IMHO, are designed so that only a slice of D-1 type athletes can clear out their lower bodies to make this work. Good luck doing this once you reach 50 unless you are a freak athlete. Maybe this is why 98% of golfers don't hit it any farther today than they did 15 years ago. We are all being taught things we don't have the physical gifts to do.

@Inmotion70 3 года назад

It's in the HONS mon.

@chachifeere Год назад

The only thing is in mikes original video he says nothing about a flap. He uncocks then rolls. In the other videos with MD he mentions a flapping type motion after impact

@johnt697 4 года назад

Does flap mean flip except you are adding pivot?

@Inmotion70 4 года назад

No flap means dorsiflexion and palmar flexion of the wrists to flap it back and forth.

@johnt697 4 года назад

@@Inmotion70 Sorry I must be dense.. but I still can't see a difference between a flap and flip. How are the wrists working in flip that is different than a flap.

@jimmypeach8838 4 года назад

@@johnt697 wrists way more active turning with a flip and flap where they hinge rather then hinge and rotate over at contact

@johnt697 4 года назад

@@jimmypeach8838 I don't want to sound like an a&&hole, but what the instructor is demonstrating as a flap doesnt look any different than a flip. I guess he is trying to avoid the negative connotation a flip has. And not sure what you mean by turning motion that makes it a flip. I've never heard any one define a flip as turning motion.

@jimmypeach8838 4 года назад

@@johnt697 I mean rolling wrists over... think of the club head.... stays square thru impact with a flap and head is only square for a millisecond with a flip cause its rotating thru impact.... so you gotta time it spot on making it harder