MILGRAM / Haruka - All-Knowing And All-Agony [The Second Trial Music Video] 

When he chews his nails and glances up in the beginning, it almost feels like he wants to MAKE SURE we're looking. Chills.

haruka somehow simultaneously brings me both visceral fear and parental instincts

彼はもう許す許さない以前に純粋にカウンセリングを受けて適切な医療機関で治療を受けて欲しいまである。

at first i didn’t get haruka sympathizers because i got into milgram around then yuno’s second trial was released, but after further examination i kinda get it now. he’s so desperate for love and affection i hope he gets better

第二審まで見て考えたハルカの習性 ・自らに対しある程度の関心を向けてくれる人間に依存をし、望むことならなんでも行う ムウに対しての対応を見てもわかるがハルカが欲しいのは母性ではなく自分が注目されることや依存先。 ・その人間が自分より強い関心を向けている人や物に強く嫉妬し攻撃を行う 母親が自分よりペット達や三つ編みの少女(当たりと称する身内かもしれない)に対して愛情を注いでいたため、これらを殺して依存先の関心奪おうとした。 ・自分が依存先にもう関心を向けられなくなると確信した場合、依存先そのものを殺す 彼は人を殺した自覚があるが恐らく三つ編みの少女は殺せなかった。 根拠は弱肉共食のMVで血が流れていなかったことと数日前に配信された第二審ボイストレーラーの発言「僕なんかに…人生を無駄にされた」の部分からである。 つまりハルカが殺したのは「彼から見て彼の存在自体が負担になった」人物だということになる。 となると候補は弱肉共食の最後に首を絞めていた男の子になるが、彼に兄弟となる男子はいないと思う、それならばエスに対してもっと嫌悪感を感じていいからだ。 つまりあの子供は子供っぽく振舞う自分自身でありその切っ掛け、つまり母親である、もう愛してもらえないと感じ、それならばいっそという気持ちで母親を殺したのだろう。 彼が既に外の世界に未練が無いのはそのためだ、ミルグラムに引きこもっていれば自分に関心を向けてもらえる相手は複数人いるから。 これらのハルカの習性からムウは非常に危険な立場にいると言ってもよい、ハルカから見てムウは自分の承認欲求を満たしてくれる依存先になっている。 だがムウはアフターペインを見るに虐めの加害者だった経験がある、使えない弱者と感じた相手には冷酷な一面を持ち合わせている可能性を持つということだ。 その面が表出した場合、ハルカがどのような行動を取るか想像したくはない。

ハルカという名前が親から最初から決まってた名前だと公式情報が出て、更に女の子用だったというのを聞いて、私の少しの希望は打ち砕かれた…。辛すぎ。

母親にビンタされても喜びが上回って笑顔になるハルカのシーン、言語化が難しいんだけどほんとに...すき…くるしい...

今回も日本語歌詞と英語歌詞に注目するべき内容であった。 まずやはりと言うべきかハルカは裕福な家庭の出身だ。 そして発達障害を患っており家から蔑ろにされてきた。 「痛みを数えて」 「Why dose it hurt so much?」 この訳の差は今回の楽曲の中でも非常に面白い部分だ ハルカの知覚と感情を上手く表している。 ネグレクトをする両親を振り向かせる方法が、癇癪を起して親の部屋で暴れ破壊行動をするしかなかった。 「次はあなたの当たりになれるかな」 「Can I be your favorite this time?」 この違いもとても大きい。 恐らく日本語歌詞が建前或いはハルカの表現限界で英語歌詞が本心或いは本当に言いたい事だとする。 ハルカは次ではなく正にいま愛されたいと願っている。 「死にたくないよ 死にたくない」 「Don't wipe me out, don't wipe me out」 ハルカにとって両親から存在がないものとされることは死と同等だった。 「夢食(むく)われないように生きたほうが」 「I just want to be your good boy」 あなたの良い子になりたいだけ 「うばうことであたえられるほうが」 「I will keep on killing to be a good boy」 良い子になる為に殺し続ける この部分に至ってはもはや凄まじい。 日本語内でもダブルミーニングがある上に訳はぶっ飛んでいる。 乖離する心と体が垣間見える。 褒めてもらおうと思った母親から頬を叩かれても笑っているのは絶望の余り笑ってしまったのではない。 叩かれたこと以上に無視され存在をないものとされたわけではないことを心の底から喜んでいるのだ。 「次はあなたの当たりがいいな」 「I want to be your favorite next」 1番までは英訳で今へ求めていたのにラストでは英訳でも次に次を見ている。 今生を諦めたのかそれともあなたを両親からエス(ユーザ)へ変えたという可能性。 また母親の殺害も行っていると新たに分かった。 第一審に引き続きハルカは激しい曲調だ。 きっと内側に押し込め続けさせられ抑制してきた部分が煮え滾っていることから来ていると思われる。 個人的にはとても好みの激しさなのでミルグラムのライブをつい期待してしまう。 第一審"弱肉共食"と同じく水中へ沈んでいく表現が共通して存在する。 ミルグラムの歌は心象風景の様なもので夢ではないが水中へ沈んでいく夢、特に暗い水中へ沈んでいくものは社会との関わり合いが上手く行っていないことや心の奥底にある不安を象徴している。 沈まない様に藻掻くことで幼稚な思考を捨てようとすることを示すがハルカは為すがまま沈んでいる。 また"弱肉共食"冒頭のペンダントは母親の所持品だった。 いつも比較される障害のない優秀な弟ばかり構う親、どうしても振り向かせたくて起こせる行動は暴力的行動だけだった。 壊して殺したもの達で作ったオブジェクトの上でまた「くるってる」と褒めてもらおうとする。 飼っている犬を殺害し、弟を殺害し、そして母親を殺害する。

こいつは別に赦してもいいんだが彼の考えを肯定するのも駄目かなって思う

第二審トレーラーでのムウの「何でも言うこと聞いてくれるし」はハルカのことなんだろうなあ、ハルカはハルカでムウに利用されること喜んでるし、愛に飢えてたハルカは利用って形でも必要としてもらえるのが嬉しいのか、、

It's kind of hard to defend Haruka after this, but god, I feel nothing but the utmost sympathy for him. Something about his backstory and the way his songs are composed just hits in the heart to me. That sequence with "Am I still innocent?" leading up to his mother finding what he'd done, only with him to be happy for any kind of attention... absolute chills.

ハルカの名前が女の子用だったってことはお腹の中で男の子って分かったときから既に両親から「期待外れ」ってこと？……いや辛すぎない？

自分が母親にとってはずれだってことも、自分の行いが本来許されないってことも知ってる でも振り向いてもらうにはこれしかないから問題行動を重ね続ける 一審で思ってた以上にハルカは賢くて、悩んでて、ゆえに『全知全悩』……

2:15 当たりからの「遥かな夢をぼく、かなえるからね」ってところ。小学生の頃とかに書かされる【名前の由来】を幼少のハルカは覚えてて、名前の由来通りになる自分を母親に見てほしかったとかだったらしんどいな‥‥

一番のサビでハルカが水槽を破壊して、水槽の中にいた魚を殺している おそらくハルカは母親の関心の対象になるものを破壊している（母親に見てもらうため） →水槽とその中の生き物は母親の関心の対象になるもの そのあとの間奏で、ハルカが座ってる椅子がある部屋が水に沈んでいる演出がある →自分も水槽の中の生き物のような、母親の関心を向けられるものになりたかった こういうことっすかね…あとは考察班頑張ってくれ

発達障害を持っている人特有の動きなどをしっかりと表現出来てるしハルカくんの表情の変化が細かくて曲も凄くてもうなんかやばい

【分かった事】MV中心 ・ハルカ君のつけていたネックレスはお母さんの部屋から盗んだもの ・物の破壊や動物を殺す事で気を引こうとしている (動物を殺しているのはお母さんに標本作りをほめてもらったことがあった？) ・ハルカ君は精神患者として精神病院に入院している。 (MVの後半に出てきた部屋の作りや見た目が精神病院の患者の部屋にとても似ていたから、その他に交番の取り調べ室にも見える) ・ハルカは暴力や暴言も愛情としてカウントしている。 (物の破壊や動物を殺すことで暴力や暴言による愛情を得ようとしている可能性もある) ・MVの所々に出てくる水は−の感情を表していて、オレンジ色の液体は前向きな感情を表している。

なでなでしよういいこだねって多分わんちゃんに向かって言ってたの見て羨ましがってたんだろうな

Some facts we got about Haruka until now from his Interrogation/Q&A/talks with other prisoners, before 2nd MV: - he claims to be 17 but notes that he doesn't pay attention to his age. That might be the case but some suggest he lowers his age on purpose to be treated as a child for longer - his family consists of him and his parents; he thinks that he disappointed his father and scribbled over "my mother" writing when asked who would he like to see the most. Nonetheless, he loves both of his parents. - his most vivid memory is "fireworks" which also surround him in his 1st MV. - In First Trial, he claimed that he doesn't have any right to hate anybody. He also is most scared of someone betraying him. He doesn't like children and animals. - when asked about his "type" he answered "someone who would give me attention"; right now he fulfills this wish by being in a co-dependent toxic (friendship?) relationship with Mu, who also needs attention of others. It's worth noting that initially, Haruka's favorite prisoners were Yuno and Mahiru because of them being nice, but he also mentioned Mu talking to him more often even before their verdicts. - Forgiving him made him more social but also unlocked his desire to be dominated and developed his submissive tendencies which went as far as giggling and smiling when Es slapped him in the face. - he seems to agree to anything anyone suggest him "is right". In First Trial he was constantly blaming himself and saying he was in wrong but after Es forgave him his second song teaser included lines like "I wasn't wrong"

This MV literally gave me chills! The artwork and animation had a major improvement from the first trial and Haruka's vocals were absolutely stunning! Great job Milgram, we as the fanbase will keep on showing our support for the MV's to come

※ボイスドラマドラマネタバレあり ボイスドラマで「僕は僕よりより小さいものなら殺せるんだぞ」って発言あったね、、これも生まれつき皆んなができることができないハルカが、唯一お母さんに反応(MVでのビンタとか)をもらえたことっていう成功体験から出た発言なんだろうな。人と違う、大好きな母親には諦められて見向きもしてもらえなかったっていうのは苦しいし辛かっただろうなぁ、、そのせいで興味を持ってもらうには物を盗んだり生き物を傷つけるしか無かったってのがね、、「僕は僕を諦めたままでいればよかったの」って発言とか人に肯定してもらえたのが初めてっていうのもハルカの今までの生い立ちを考えて辛くなった、許す許さないは別として家庭環境が違えば犯罪にも手を染めず真っ当に生活できたんだろうなと思う

英語字幕でmy dreaMUとムウが大文字になってるところヤバすぎる 明らかにハルカの中にムウが入り込んでることを表されてる

i first came to milgram with the intentions to analyse and partake in the decisions of guilty or not, but i've been swayed from the swishy graphics and amazingly scripted characters that my brain is smosh and cant think. I want to give Haruka a hug. Idk if he's innocent or guilty, i just want to hug him.

弱肉共食も全知全悩も正しい四字熟語から1文字変えてたり、一審の"ぎせいをしていた"とか二審の"あなたの当たりになれるかな"とか独特な言い回ししてるのすき 歌詞にひらがな多いのもハルカくんぽいなって思った

es may forgive you for being a murderer, but no one is gonna forgive you for that outfit

「ぼくはどうしてゆるされたんだ」って、まさかハルカくんに聞かれると思ってなかった………我々に言っているのか、はたまた違う人間に言ったのか…………

期待外れの自分を見向きもしてくれなかったお母さんが、唯一反応してくれたことが生命を奪うことだったから、お母さんに振り向いて欲しくてたくさん殺してきたんだね。

0:13 サムネハルカ 0:47 暴れハルカ 0:50 デキソコナイハルカ 0:55 カメラ目線制服ハルカ 1:05 まんまる頭抱えハルカ 1:19 昆虫・動物展覧会 1:30 溶ける 1:40 ハルカに向かう蝶々の行方 1:48 夢食われない(ムウ色(?)が飛び散ってる) 1:50 息切れハルカ 2:02 放心ハルカ 2:03 満面の笑み小さなハルカ 2:13 大きく"羽"ばたく"遥"かな"夢" I promise to make my dre"MU" come true 2:25 母親(?)登場 2:30 母親(?)の眼球から狂気的なハルカ 2:35 ハルカの足元、そして母親(?)の元へ 2:42 ビンタ 2:58 ビンタを喜び涙目狂気ハルカ 3:05 ゆらゆらハルカ 3:09 次はあなたの当たりがいいな 3:14 オチは首絞め　母親(?)かと思ったけど1審の三つ編みの子？

この曲すごい好き、こんなに激しい曲調なのにハルカ自身も発達障害であることを嘆いている悲しさが伝わってくる リズムも歌い方も、基礎は取りながら魂を叫んでるって感じがしてすごく好き

1:04 「痛みを数えてーいぇーいいぇーえ↑」の上がり方最高すぎる無限リピ。

dreaMUの事もあって額縁とかが溶けてるシーンとか最後満たされていく時の色が黄色っぽいのもムウの影響ある…？と考えてしまう(それこそ部屋が満ちる、水に侵食されていく＝依存関係で心が満ちている、影響を受けている)

ハルカが発達障害だと仮定してのことだけど、ストレスが溜まって物に当たるしかなくて、周りからの協力も理解もなくてそれでも愛されたくて気を引こうとして、って全部症状だし自分じゃどうにも出来ないことが赦されないのは発達障害の当事者として苦しいし、個人的には赦してあげたい もっとはやく病院に行ってまともに治療が受けられたら未来は違ったんだろうなぁと思うと心が痛い

まじで第二審の曲の中で一番好きかも

他の人達は1審と2審でだいぶ曲調変わってるのに、ハルカ君はあまり曲調変わらなくて、もう、ただただ自分を見て欲しいって一心だったんだろうな〜って。 とりあえずカウンセリング受けて欲しい。

i know that shun horie will leave no crumbs his voice is literally stunning

しばらくミルグラム離れてて戻ってきたら当時推してたハルカはギルティになってて咽び泣いたものです。 もう彼は有罪以前にカウンセリング受けさせて適切な施設に入れてどうにかしてあげてくれ…こりゃ判断しにくいの納得だわ。可哀想すぎるんだ…。

ちぐはぐしてる服がボタンをかけ間違えてるのを表してて良い… ハルカきゅん…最後いつも泣いてる…

第一審では弱者(か弱い少女や動物)は可愛がられる(？)構ってもらえるから羨ましくてそうなりたくて殺しちゃってたと思ってたけど、今回で母親の気を引くためだけに人や動物をあやめてたんだって思った… 最後叩かれた=かまってくれたって思ってる顔最高に気持ち悪くて好き(褒め言葉)

何回か歌詞聞いていくうちに自分もハルカくんと同様愛されたい気持ち一緒だし ずっと昔から親にも誰にも相手されずに放置されてて振り向いてもらうにはこうゆう残虐行為した結果お母さんには「振り向いてはくれた」けど 気味悪がられ挙句の果てにはビンタされるとかさ……感情移入しすぎてボロ泣きした…ハルカくん辛すぎるよ幸せになってほしいよっ…

ハルカが思ってたよりヤバいやつだった… やっぱりミルグラム、みんながみんな狂ってるんだな

From my first few watches, I think that this chronicles Haruka's descent into murder. Like we saw in the first MV, it starts off smaller with animals. In this one, rather than starting with the dog, it seems like it starts with the fish in the tank. He breaks the tank in a moment of frustration/desperation, and because their water/habitat is gone, the fish dry out and die. We then see it expand into more animals: butterflies, cats, dogs. Far more than we saw in the first video. The amber colored liquid seems to represent blood this time, and it grows more and more the more he kills. He stands atop his mountain of blood and bodies, along with some other objects, like a tree? I'm not entirely sure why those are there--maybe they're related to murder weapons? It seems the snap point where he kills another person is when his mom rejects him. She catches him in the act, maybe? She witnesses something about all the blood he's spilled, and she rejects him completely. He seems to be freaking out--the way he's moving, I think it's pretty safe to say that he's a little out of his mind--and then we see the moment where he strangles someone. From the hair/face shape, though, I don't think it's the mom. As best as I can tell, it's the little girl from the first video, the one we've been calling a friend. Why her, though...? I think Haruka is doing all of this as some sort of attention thing for sure. "I will keep on killing to be a good boy" and all. However, I'm not sure if the idea is that killing someone will make him more lovable somehow ("I will definitely make you love me again") or if it's more of what I'm currently leaning towards: that when all of this death happens around him, he's naturally upset ("why am I crying again") and his mother comforts him ("there there, my good boy!"), thus giving him attention. Either way, something's clearly very messed up in his head, and even though he's aware of it ("why was I born like this") he's still unwilling or unable to stop ("I can't stop, I can't stop"). For the verdict... I feel like it has to be guilty based on the events, but I feel like if we turn on him, he might lash out? If he really does kill to try to regain favor, and we gave him a favorable result and then turn on him... does that give him reason to start killing within Milgram to try to regain OUR favor? EDIT: after more review, I’m leaning innocent. I forgot at first that, in addition to characters potentially endangering others, they could endanger themselves. I’m worried enough about what Haruka’s mental state would become if we voted him guilty that I think innocent is the right way to go. EDIT 2: Just realized I never updated the youtube comment! After Haruka's audio drama, I'm all aboard the guilty train, and thankfully it's rolling that way! For anyone who didn't see, among other things, in Haruka's audio drama he directly says "I wasn't wrong to kill someone" or something like that and he says if we don't vote Mu innocent he'll commit suicide as a threat against us! Very cute. Not thrilled about that, but it definitely confirms he needs guilty this trial, to restrain him and to tell him that killing someone IS wrong. I'd previously interpreted the "I wasn't wrong" to be "I wasn't wrong [as a person]" and not "I wasn't wrong [to kill someone]", but uhh... guess not.

I don't think he needs innocent or guilty verdicts. He just needs help and support systems and positive affirmations.

ハルカくんのお母さんとムウちゃんは同じ髪色でハルカくんはムウちゃんにお母さんを求めてる説推したい

i LOVE the animation in this video not sure if anyones said this before but i especially love the use of symbols of taxidermy and amber (i think that’s what the orange water is) which both essentially preserve organisms in a “young” state (edited - the yummy looking orange water is actually likely the taxidermy fluid formaldehyde which is around the same color, but it gets the same message across in the end) the shot in which the room fills up with orange as haruka is lying on the floor as a child upon being hit by his mom is symbolic of him being stuck in his youth in his mind and WOW this video changed my life

ハルカがもし有罪となったら、一審と二審で無罪と有罪、どちらも受けるということで混乱するのではないかな、そうなったら次の犠牲者が出るかもしれない。

I love Haruka, but I'm scared of the possibility that I'll view him as guilty after this Also he looks stunning here!

ハルカくん、最初あれだけもがいてたのに最後は壊れたかのようにゆらゆらしながら笑み浮かべてるの怖いけどなんだかその狂気にも惹かれますね…

Guys, before we judge anyone I think this time we shouldn't always try to vote them guilty to "make them understand" that they were wrong That's what people did with Amane and it totally destroyed her. That's what they did with Futa, but if you look closely, Futa already knew he screwed up so making him guilty was only useless (Especially to forgive Kotoko behind who did something similar but worse thinking she was right, look at the result) Mahiru too, she clearly didn't deserve to be condemned like that, but since "she wasn't sure if what she did was wrong or not" people wanted to respond to her (And yet her boyfriend probably killed himself so even if it's partly because of her toxic behaviour, she might not have killed directly, and that boy could put a stop to it and take care of himself) We were mostly too focused on their behaviour and words to pay attention to what they were actually feeling and thinking And sometimes even their actions themselves The voting option is not meant to communicate with them Milgram doesn't care about the details of why they were voted guilty/innocent It's better to focus on how they will interpret it themselves, rather than trying to communicate anything in general Read between the lines, just because they say something doesn't mean they actually mean it Let's be careful this time, please

うわ…マジでやばいな最高…… 第2審は囚人の本性的な感じって聞いて覚悟はしてたけど想像以上だこれは……

サビの部分、１番２番は裏声で歌ってたのが、ラスサビのワンフレーズだけ地声で出してんのがめっちゃいいな…

Update: The Voice Drama ist out now and I think I know, why some changes were made in the translation. If you want to know more, feel free to scroll down. I think it's important to notice that some serious changes have been made to the original lyrics in the translation. The most egregious in my opinion is this sentence: "I can’t stop, I can’t stop Am I still INNOCENT?" in the Original it is: これしかないの　これしかない ぼくはどうしてゆるされたんだ "I don't have any other way than this, I don't have any other way than this Why have I been forgiven?" (or if it should be more in line with the english voting system) "Why have I been voted innocent?" It changes the meaning in a pretty serious way, in my opinion. I just wanted to translate some of the changed meanings, but honestly… almost every line is VASTLY different in the Japanese version, so here would be my take on a more accurate translation: "Don't toss me aside, I want to be by your side Why did I become the person I am? I am counting all the pain “You’re such a disappointment” seems like a favourite phrase of yours You won’t even call out to me by my name You compared me to other people You are always nice and kind to everyone, except me I have to make you turn back [and look at me] again I am not wrong, I am not wrong Don’t laugh at me and tell me that I’m a failure Hey, I wish to be hugged by you as you hugged me long ago Don't toss me aside, I want to be by your side Why did I have to become the person I am? I am counting all the pain I did not want to become a disappointment to you My tears, whose fault are those? If I could be reborn with the push of a button, I wonder if I could then be what you want me to be I have to make you turn back [and look at me] again (Honestly, this next sentence is a lot to unpack and I am not quite sure I can translate it 100% correctly but my interpretation is as follows) I don't want to die, I don't want to die Living a certain way, so that my dream wouldn’t be devoured is… Stealing so you can receive is… I don't have any other way than this, I don't have any other way than this Why have I been forgiven? Mama, please look. Look I’m amazing, right? “There, there, you’re such a good kid” The dream, far away, flying on big wings, I will make it come true, therefore... (The Kanjis from both Haruka an Muu are in this sentence (Haruka 遥/ Muu 夢羽)) I am not wrong, I am not wrong Don’t laugh at me and tell me that I’m a failure Hey, I wish to be hugged by you as you hugged me long ago Don't toss me aside, I want to be by your side Why did I become the person I am? I am counting all the pain I am not wrong, I am not wrong If I could be reborn with the push of a button, it would be nice if I could then be what you want me to be" I am not 100% sure on every line, especially the lines with the typical Deco*27 neologism of combining 夢食われない (normally 報われる/to be repaid; to be rewarded), which in this case reads more like “Dreams not to be devoured”, and the open-ended ほうが. ほうが is mostly used to show that one way of doing something is better than the other mostly with ほうがいい. Haruka seems to refrain from making this bold statement in the original lyrics, as he never outright says that it’s better, as ほうが can also be used to state that something is a worse option, he seems to hold that belief but is still not 100% sure. That’s why he says “I don't have any other way than this” right after. He knows it’s not quite right, but what other choice does he have? I think there is a lot more nuance in the original lyrics than the translation is able to convey. Haruka is way less determined and has a lot more wishes and hopes instead of demands. Maybe my translation can help shine a new light on this version of Haruka. Update 1: So I guess I kind of know now, why the translation differs so much. As most of the English fandom will never get to hear the voice drama, the translation alone needs to able to convey every information, that will be given to the Japanese fandom and in this case... and oh boy, does the voice drama have some information. Bascially, everything the english fandom was able to deduce from the translation gets confirmed in the voice drama. Haruka thinks he was forgiven for killing a little girl and while he thought it was wrong at first and was troubled by it, our forgiveness means it wasn't that big of a deal. He threatens to kill Es, by saying he kills things that are smaller than him, because they put Haruka into place. He thought of Es as his mother's stand-in, but as Es denies him more and more, he "realizes" MUU was his real mother all along. He threatens to kill Es, again, if Muu is voted guilty in her next trial. But because prisoners can't hurt the warden, as he is reminded by Es, Haruka threatens to kill himself instead, if Muu is voted guilty next time. I still think it's not okay to change the lyrics like that... but I guess it can't be helped, as the voice drama plays a PRETTY big role in his characterization this time, that most of the English fandom will simply miss out on, if it weren't for the changed translation.

ハルカくんの表情に狂気が強く出てて………罪への意識＜見てもらえる喜びになってるんだなあ………😭好きだ…………

どのような作品かも知らず偶然見かけて初めて聞いたのですがまず曲のインパクトに圧倒されました。「また振り向かせなきゃ」が何かしらの作業のように思えて仕方がなくなるとでも言いましょうか、焦燥感より"しょうがないなぁ僕そっちにいないよこっちだよ"と頬に手を添えて自分の方に無理やり向けるような幼さがあるように思いました。何より歌詞に小学校で習う漢字だけが使われているのは意図的だと思われますが、この青年が小さい時に感じた想いが歌になっているという事なのでしょうか？大人になっても根深く残る嫌な記憶があるのは辛いことです… とても興味がそそられたので公式ホームページを見に行ってきます。良い出会いをありがとうございます。

とりあえず初見で聴いて考えた事書いてみました。 母親に大事にされず見て貰えないから、母親が大事にしてた装飾品や水槽の魚をぶちまけたりして叱られたっていいから見て貰おうとしたり、何度も何度も『間ちがいじゃない』って連呼して自身を肯定したりしたのかな…… あと『死にたくない』と言ってる部分で沢山の動物の命を奪ったと思われる描写や、あえて『夢食われない』って表記してるのが、悪夢を食べる動物として有名なバクとか、今ハルカとズブズブな関係になってるムウを連想させたり(ハルカの思考の中が母親で埋め尽くされていたのが、徐々にムウという存在が割り込んで来たことの暗示？)色々考えられるなぁと…… 『ぼくはどうしてゆるされたんだ』の部分がよく分からなかったけど、もしかしてお兄ちゃんの命を奪ったけれどまだ子供だった事もあり許されたって事なのかな？ その後に母親に沢山奪ってきた命を見せびらかして『すごいでしょ？』って言ってる時にビンタされて、母親から形はどうであれちゃんと自分に対して怒りではあるけれど感情を向けて貰えたからその後のハルカ(ボイスドラマにて)エスにビンタされて喜んでたのかなと推測。 それで最後『ボタン一つで生まれ変われたなら 次はあなたの当たりがいいな』で自分の母親を殺害して生まれ変わらせて、その後に本当は自分も死んで心中するつもりだったんだろうか…？ MVを見る度にそのキャラの過去とか心情を深く追求する事が出来るからすごい楽しいし、相変わらず神曲神MVで素晴らしかったです！！

爪を噛むのは親からの愛情不足で現れる行動ってどっかで見た気がする

(This is cross-posted from my Tumblr.) I always thought it was weird how Haruka’s mother kinda has two faces in that doodle in the first MV, and the dog is kind of an amalgamation of at least two dogs. (There’s two ears pointed up, but also a floppy ear in front.) And now his shirt here is a combination of at least two shirts… The dog I believe is an amalgamation of the two taxidermy dogs we see here. Anyway, let me talk about all the water. There’s been theories that the murder/death has been by drowning, but with this MV I don’t think that was the case, with all the fish tanks. A misconception with fish is tank size, and that having a small tank without requirements like a filter and heater. Lots of people assume fish are easy to take care of, but they’re not. This room with no furnishings aside from a chair, along with a barred window that’s high up, is kinda like a fish tank…especially when we see it through the water. Haruka was given the bare minimum amount of support during his childhood. There’s also the cluttered room he walks through, which is like a fish tank that’s not properly cleaned. In the first MV, there’s all the scribbles and missing faces, which has been theorized to be because he doesn’t remember the murder. There’s the common saying that fish have memories that only last 30 seconds, so for the scribbled scenes it’s like he’s looking out from within a fish bowl, with everything distorted. Some people look at fish as decoration, which fits in with all the taxidermy. Something else to take into consideration is that fish can be a pet people buy spontaneously, and sometimes you’ll hear about couples having a kid to “save their marriage.” So maybe Haruka’s parents had him for that reason, but it didn’t work…since wasn’t there an interview question where he said his dad left? Haruka’s role is like a decorative fish, there to keep up appearances that his parents’ marriage was fine when it wasn’t. And like the dog from the first MV that’s combined from the two taxidermy dogs in this MV, Haruka’s shirt is patched together from at least two outfits, which adds to the idea that his role is to be a decoration like the taxidermy. I almost feel like he didn’t kill the taxidermy animals, and instead just sabotaged the display, like maybe the forest scene was him imagining the two dogs being alive as one. Also, if you look at when he’s in the woods, there are floorboards. Plus, while his hands are rainbow bloody as a kid, and then the rock is, too…there’s nothing on his hands when he’s aged up. As for the little girl, I’m torn between her being a childhood friend or his sister. (At one point I thought she could be his mother, since all kids go through a point where we think adults are still kids, right?) Starting to lean towards her being his little sister, maybe his parents tried to have another kid before his father left, or his mother remarried and it’s his step-sister. Going with the fish analogy, I know for a fact that when I was a kid, my mom and I didn’t know proper fish care, but after some negative experiences, we’ve learned better. So maybe Haruka thought he was being replaced, or they kept comparing him to her since she didn’t have the same issues he does.

お母さん出てきたぁぁって思ったら笑いながら駆け寄るハルカくん最高に狂気じみてて震えた…鳥肌やべぇ……

ハルカくんの歌は一審も二審も上に伸びる歌声がサビに来てる。強いミックスボイスじゃなくて伸びやかで女性的と言うか、、 ホリエルの演技力ありきなんだろうけど、ハルカくんの今までの成り立ちの根底にお母さんの声がずっと燻り続けているのかなって気がしました。

ハルカ君が赦さないになった要因はボイスドラマからだよね。本当に怖かった… それまで五分五分だったのが大きく動いた。 赦さないになって3審でトチ狂っちゃうのかな？あとムウちゃんとの関係はどうなるんだろう？ ミルグラムは本当に楽しませてくれて飽きないし色々考えさせられる。 まだ2審終わってないけど3審が楽しみだ。

一般的に爪を噛むって聞くと子供のイメージが出てきてハルカの精神の幼さを表現してるのと 他にも爪を噛むのはストレスだって言われてたり、大人でも噛んでる人は小さい頃からの習慣だったりするからやっぱ今もだけど幼少期に何か過度なストレスを抱えてたんだなって思う 歌詞にも期待はずれと言われた的な事を言ってることから、小さい頃は親から期待されてて愛されて抱きしめられてたんだなって… 映像で物にあたってるのを見るにストレスが酷かったり感情をコントロールできてなかったり、物に当たってしまう人は自分の中に溜め込みがちな傾向があるって言われててハルカもそうなんだなって感じた

そうやちょっと前に読んでた漫画で、昔はめっちゃ天才だったけど事故にあってからIQが下がったってのを見たんだけど ハルカ昔は期待されてたみたいな感じで事故にあった後に急に知能が下がったてのだったり… 事故ってのは前のMVと今回のMVで何度もでてきた水の描写から見て池や海に沈んだりしたと思われる その結果IQが下がって、 全知全能から全知全悩へ……

ハルカは他のどんなことよりも愛されること、自分を見てもらうこと、すなわち"興味を持たれること"が一番なんだろうね。 母親に叩かれて喜んでるのも無関心ではない、つまり愛されていると感じているから。 そういった歪んだ価値観が形成されてしまったから、物を壊す、人を傷つけるという所謂狂ったことをしたら愛されるって思ってるように思う。(第一審の「くるってるって褒めてくれた」) もう罪とか善悪とか社会的な判断基準が通用しないところが難しいなぁ。ハルカが救われる選択はどちらなんだろうね。

Aight here we go! -The whole collecting dead bugs/ taxidermy having presence around the house could be a sign that his parents (most likely his mother) do it as a job or a hobby ie: they like preserving the bodies of dead animals -Haruka likely took this to mean that they enjoyed dead animals or rationilized it as something similar -Wanting to please his parents he began killing animals under the impression that this what they would enjoy and would paint him as their 'good boy'. Well done to the creators for another amazing job!

やはり顔が良すぎたんだ櫻井遥……(悶絶) 弱肉共食とか全知全悩とか四字熟語もじってるのに漢字でかけないものが割と多いのはきっとわざと… 2:54 のところとか「狂ってるって褒めてくれた ありがとう頑張るよ」みたいな感じしてとても好きｯｯｯ …大きく『羽』ばたくかな『夢』ね………

本当に大好きだからこそ赦せない…

考察はさておき、ハルカくんの絶望的な表情からあざとい上目遣い、狂気的な笑みなどいつも暗めな表情をしてるハルカくんの色んな喜怒哀楽が見れて大変満足しております。製作チームさんありがとうございます………

表情とか表現が好きすぎる…… 第一審よりハルカの狂気が見えるし顔や描写が鮮明に表れてる感じがして良い

なんだろ、ギョロっとした目の動きとかがめっちゃリアルで怖い。

Just my two cents: I think Haruka does the same thing just like Mikoto did in the last MV. He breaks the fourth wall like a champ. "Can I be your favourite this time?" (1:38)/"I want to be your favourite next" (3:13) is him talking to us, knowing he's actually one of the fan-favourites. Maybe this is just me, but I honestly perceived Haruka as one of the most favourite prisoners due to his character traits. "If with one click, and I can reset everything" (3:09) is incredibly smart IMHO. This might be referring to us voting him "forgivable/innocent", allowing him to have a blank slate again. Remember how he was sorry for his actions the last time around? Now that we have forgiven him, we have given him the chance to start anew. And, if the Mu-theories are true, his restart might have been a rocky one due to her influence. "Am I still innocent" (2:20) (Or as another translation has stated: "Do you still think I can be forgiven?") Another break with the fourth wall. It kinda has the vibe of "Now that you have seen all of me, do you still regard me as innocent?" could also be him talking to his mother, though. And, lastly, "I promise to make my dreaMU come true" (2:16) -- a nice wordplay referring to Mu, as we all know. By the way, the Mu itself apparently means "dream" in Japanese. I think Mu really takes his submission and mommy issues to another level. And we are, too. He wants to be loved by his mother, by Mu, by us, no matter what it takes. Furthermore, to add to the 'yellow goo' theories: I think it really is formaldehyde. Not because his mother might be a taxidermist, but because it actually is capable of framing a dead thing like it's still alive, freezing time. I think it refers to his relationship with his mother which might have been nice and all (I mean, he asks to hug her like back in the good ol' days quite a lot) until *something* happened. Meaning, the relationship is dead and gone, but he makes it look like it's still alive in an artificial way. It also plays into this "I want to freeze time when everything was alright"-thing. Due to him mentioning that his mom is quite generous, I can see that his dad left out of several reasons (maybe the neurodivergent part is true and he's an ass who just left because he's an ableist) and she went on dates with several lovers, maybe giving them presents. She neglected her son while doing so. As he is acting up, she starts to hurt him (maybe even out of sheer helplessness, still not forgivable). And he's fine with it, as it means getting attention by his dear mother. I can see Haruka being terrified of losing her too, wanting to please her in any way possible. There's also the option that one of the guys that she's been seeing has a daughter and she turns into the favourite child, rendering him even more unnoticed devastated (see the comparison part 0:32). Maybe his mother even gave her the jewellery shown in the video (see the generous-discussion). He might've killed her due to that. Also, regarding the animal/dog thing in general, I can see the dog being a metaphor for loyalty/being good. This is also why he refers to himself as "a good boy". Hope I could add something to the discussion! Might not make sense, might also be poorly written, as my English SUUUUUCKS butts. 8) And autocorrect might have fucked a thing up or two.

big day for annoying people! (me) thank u milgram crew for all of your hard work! its very very appreciated edit: THIS WAS SO WORTH THE WAIT OH MY GOD??

It's weird to think that basically all of my theories on thus guy from the first song were correct, but i am a little sad that voting him as innocent has given him the idea that what he did was okay. He was so close to redemption too. This dude needs therapy, not encouragement.

First watch and I think I have a real vague theory; his family (or just his mom) collected dead animals, like taxidermy and insects and the such. Haruka, in his stunted growth and craving for attention, may have taken to murdering a bunch of animals in some desperate attempt to make her proud, maybe thinking he was helping her with her collection despite the horrid things he was actually doing. It also explains why he killed the dog in the first MV, it was one part of a larger spree he was going on. I’m a little confused on the end, since the person he (or atleast I think it’s him) is choking doesn’t look like the mom (the hair is way darker) so I think it might be the little girl from the first MV? Maybe since the slaughter he went on got his mom’s attention, he thought maybe killing a person would be the next step to take? Overall I think I’m gonna have to wait for more stuff to come out but for now I’m still voting innocent; it’s clear he is incredibly mentally unstable and though that isn’t an excuse for his actions it’s clear he misunderstands a lot and maybe didn’t realize the severity of what he was doing. He needs therapy, not a guilty verdict. Edit: Okay, on a few rewatches, I think maybe the little girl with black hair in the first MV might’ve been his sister. Haruka makes multiple references to being compared to someone else and ‘favorites’ which wouldn’t apply if he was a single child. This also shows the younger boy from the first MV again, notably flashing between him and ‘present’ Haruka. I think it shows how it isn’t his younger brother but just a younger version of himself. The girl isn’t a crush, she’s his sister, and he killed her trying to become his mother’s favorite.

One thing that I noticed after watching "not my fault", is that the room if filling up with this yellow liquid right? Well you know how in Muu's song plays on her being a queen bee. and bees have honey. So what I thought is since at the end the entire room is filled with yellow liquid(Honey). The line "I want to be your favorite next" is directed towards Muu. Just an idea I'd like to share

Haruka's second trial's verdict: *GUILTY* (54.97%) Haruka had answered 20 interrogation questions: Q1: Do you like yourself? A: I think i like my current self. Q2: What's your opinion on the prisoners? A: They're not my mom. Q3: Do you want to leave MILGRAM? A: I want to stay here forever. Q4: Tell us the origin of your name. A: It seems like she wanted a girl. She had already chosen this name. Q5: Do you think you will be forgiven this time as well? A: I think so. Guard-san said what i did wasn't wrong. Q6: What is a father to you? A: He's not that interested in me i guess. Q7: What would you do if you receive 1.000.000¥ and you must spend right now? A: I don't know. Guard-san, please do it in my stead. I'm giving them to you. Q8: Do you have any fun memories of your childhood? A: My childhood was fun, because my mom was nice. Q9: What do you think about Kotoko's attacks on the other prisoners? A: It's scary. But Guard-san thinks that those people were bad people, right? Q10: If you could turn back time, would you commit the same murder once again? A: I don't know. I think I wouldn't have done it if I were in MILGRAM. Q11: Are there any prisoners you can't deal with? A: I'm fine with Amane-chan now. I'm not scared of small children anymore. Q12: What do you want from the warden? A: Please forgive Muu-san. Q13: What is the difference between you and someone else? A: Everything. Every single thing is wrong. Q14: What do you do when you're bored? A: I always go to sleep. Q15: If you had one wish, what would you use it for? A: To be smart and strong. I want to become an interesting person. Q16: Which is more important, a person's personality or appearance? A: I think it's personality. Q17: How many years do you want to live? A: I've never thought about it, but I don't want to die. Q18: Which prisoner is the most like you? A: No one, because they're all great people. Q19: Would you forgive the other prisoners? A: Yes. I think everyone must have had their own circumstances Q20: Did you hate the person you killed? A: I wonder... I think I was jealous of them.

なんかヤバい事はひしひしと伝わったけどとにかくハルカくんがえぐいかっこいいのと蝶々潰してたので少年の日の思い出を思い出した。総じて言うとハルカくん好き。

大きく羽ばたく遥かな夢を これってハルカくんの名前の由来なのかな

「僕はどうして許されたんだ」 やっぱり許されないことをした自覚が本人にはあるんだな… ただ、一審で許してしまったことで許されないと思ってたことを肯定されたから… このまま肯定し続けたら、殺人鬼エンド的な人殺しに躊躇ない人間になりそう。

こんなすごいものが2年でできるのやばい…

Coming back to Weakness Akka's artstyle and video style has been improved *SO MUCH* and i ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT SO MUCH

1 MIL LETSGOOO

ちょっとまって鳥肌も涙もやばいんだけど！！ 2年間触れてきたミルグラムの全部と卓越しすぎてる動画のクオリティがなせるものなんだろうな まさか泣くことになると思ってなかった、、、 もう言葉にできないレベルでしんどい、ほんとにありがとうございます

Guys, although Mu has alot to do with Haruka we shouldn't just vote her forgivable or unforgivable BECAUSE of him. We haven't even seen her video and it can completely throw us off like what this video did. Also let's also remember that there are going to be multiple butterfly-effects based off our decision. Jackalope saying something is gonna happen after trail 2 is eating at my brain 😭😭

三審、満たされてた水が消えて干上がってたら哀しい

一審MVでは「まちがっていたのはぼくだった」とひたすら自分を卑下していたし、公式ボイスで「人も殺した。申し訳ないと思ってる」とある程度、自分のやったことを悪いと思っているような口ぶりだったから、みんなに同情されやすかった印象。ハルカもつらい思いをした上での殺人だから、仕方ない事だよね。。って思わせたのかな。 それが二審MVになると、エスにゆるされた事・ムウという依存相手が見つかった事で、自分の行いは間違いじゃない・自分は悪くない、、、って主張にかなり変化した印象。 ボタン一つで生まれ変われたら　次はあなたの当たりがいいな、、、ナニかを壊す・殺す事で母親や周囲の関心を引く事ができる。（ボタン一つ→壊す・殺す。あなたの当たり→母親や周囲の人間の関心を引く） それってつまり、自分の承認欲求を満たすためなら、ナニをしてもいいって思ってるってことかな。最後の表現は、物や昆虫・動物を壊す事で母親の関心を引く事ができたから、次は人を壊す事で興味引けるね！！！って、考えに至って喜んでる感じ？首をしめられてる女の子は、髪型とかセーラー服っぽいところから、母親でなく一審MVの女の子。 となると、ハルカの罪は自分の承認欲求を満たすために、罪のない女の子を殺した。。。。かな？？？ ハルカの狂気じみた表情とか動きが、最高に狂ってて良かった！！！！！！！

一審と二審でここまで変わるのかと恐怖さえあります。 ハルカくんの心の叫びが凄すぎて鳥肌が止まりません…

声も顔も曲も映像も感情の起伏も群を抜いて大好き。 ただひたすらにお母さんの愛が欲しかったんだなぁと、幼い子供を見る目でみてます。 障害があったとしても、それを分かった時母親が見捨てず愛を与えていたらこうはならなかったのに。という事で僕からの愛で良ければ存分に受け取ってくれえハルカ好きだああ、

今英語字幕で聞き返してたんだけど、 日本語｢大きく羽ばたく遥かな夢を｣ 英語｢I promise to make my dreaMU come true｣ 日本語版だとハルカの名前が入ってて、英語版だとムウ(MU)の名前が入ってる………？ えっえっえっえっ 考察班の方々あとは頼みました🙇‍♀️

夢食われない(むくわれない)って言葉遊び好き過ぎる

水槽の魚が水がなくて床にぐったりしてる真ん中にはるかくんも苦しんでる。魚は水があれば自由に泳げるつまりはるかくんが適した環境でちゃんと病院に行けていればちゃんと生活できたのかな

最後の首ゆらゆらしてるハルカくん、最高に不気味で好き

またふり向かせなきゃ、が英語だと、また僕を絶対に愛させるっていう感じの意味合いになっていて、ハルカはお母さんに愛されたいが本当に尋常じゃない

まだにわかな考察だけど、 ハルカの名前が最初から決められた ものだったってことを前提として、 ハルカは出来損ないと愛してもらえなくて、 そばにいて欲しいのに構ってもらえなくて、 だから人を殺してでも自分に向けられた 関心をまとめて愛と呼んでいた。 愛されなかった理由は、 ハルカが男の子であったから。 だから「ぼくはどうしてぼくになったんだ」。 幼い頃は可愛らしかったから愛されていた、 っていうのが今の私の解釈です。

I don't know if someone said it earlier, but I think it's pretty important detail so "間ちがいじゃない/ I wan't wrong" is not about he thinks he's doing/have done the right thing, not really 間ちがい in this part also can be translated as "mistake", what refers to his thoughts that he's not a MISTAKE, not a LOSER or some kind of hopeless child I saw some people interpreted that line as sign that Haruka doesn't feel guilty about his actions anymore, so in my opinion this translation can be really misleading :(

考察の放棄に至ってはもはや開き直るとして、これは今後どの囚人にも当てはまることだと思うんだけど、今第一印象的には赦さないかなぁ、と考えてみたけど赦さない→思想否定ってことだからそれがどう転ぶか分かんないのが…。第2審のマヒルちゃんのように思想否定された結果｢愛｣の否定になって第2審ボイスの｢私の愛は罪ってこと…？｣的な感じになったら辛い。 自分の｢赦さない｣とミルグラムの処置としての｢赦さない｣が一致してないから自分が思ってる以上の罰を下される可能性があることも考慮したい。二の舞にはなりたくない…！！ 第1審の時は比較的｢MVから罪を理解したら判決を下す｣という感じだったけど第2審は｢罪を理解した上でどちらの判決を下すか｣というシステムがより顕著になった気がする。ジャッカロープの言う通り罪って難しい。

What if Haruka's crime was killing his little sister out of jealousy? Hear me out! In his interview, he said that his name "Haruka" was originally a girl's name and that his mother picked it out for him before he was born. To me, that's a red flag for potential parental neglect. His mom probs wanted a girl, but when she got a boy instead, she began to neglect/emotionally abuse Haruka for not being the child she wanted. As a result, he became mentally unstable. In both the videos and in his interviews, he gives oddly childlike responses and tries to push big decisions (like the question of what he would do with a bunch of yen) onto "authority figures" (read-adults) like Es (kind of like how little kids believe grown-up problems should be handled by grown-ups). His mother detested him and sent him away (his mental regression/instability was probably showing due to neglect) to a mental facility, then had another child-a daughter. Haruka's mental stability grew worse now that his mother had her "perfect" child, so he acted out in order to gain her attention. It manifested in the form of murdering small animals/creatures. After he killed a bunch, his mother likely showed up for the first time in ages to check up on him, but she was so horrified by what she saw that she rejected him. Normally, this would have been the exact OPPOSITE of what a child wants from their parent. After all, who wants to be rejected by their own parent? However, things are different for Haruka. His goal wasn't his mother's love, but the acknowledgment of his existence by his mother. And that's precisely what he got after killing a bunch of creatures-his mother showing up. That's why he was smiling in the video despite being slapped because his mother finally acknowledged him after acting up. So then his logic follows that if he kept killing creatures, he could get more of his mother's attention. He grew bolder, moving on from insects to dogs. It snowballed from there and he got the idea to kill something that would REALLY get his mother's attention-her beloved perfect child, otherwise known as his sister.

KUDOS TO THE ANIMATORS!! Massive improvements - trial one was already beautiful but this is insane!

第一審から遥なんかサイコパス的な病気か障害かなって考察してたけどこの考察を堂々と公表したら差別とか言われそうで怖かったけど二審完全にそれっぽかったから2年間隠してたこの気持ちをぶちまけれて我幸福です。 この考察を推すと障害者やサイコパスの人が好き勝手殺してるのを許せるかって言われたら別なんだよな……でも遥くん自分に対してネガティブな感情を持ってるし自分が犯した罪に対して罪悪感持ってるから私は赦したい……でも病んでる遥くん見てみたい……それよりムゥとの依存関係をどうにかしほしい。でもその関係が遥にとって幸せなんだろうな………辛いよおおおおおおお

Bro voting results stuck on 50/50

序盤 ハルカはミコトほどではないがストレスが溜まると衝動的に物に当たる癖があった、親に出来損ないだと言われたのは事実だろうがそれは常にではないだろう ふとした瞬間にそれが脳裏でフラッシュバックしハルカの暴力的な行動に繋がっていた、ネックレスにヒビ＝親との会話が減って愛情が無くなったとハルカが感じている暗喩 中盤 標本や剥製が飾られているが標本にするようなものでもない虫が飾られていたり剥製にネズミがいたり犬に首輪がついている、このことからこれらは全て生きていた動物で森の中でハルカが殺した者たちである 終盤 彼にとって動物は壊したスタンドや植木鉢と同じ"モノ"でしかないという描写 恐らくだがかつて動物を誤って殺してしまったことで泣いていた子供のハルカを親は抱きしめてあやしたのだろう このことが頭の中に残っているハルカは「物を壊せば自分が褒めてもらえる」という誤認をした 親は当然怒ってビンタしたが親からアクションを得られたハルカはこれに味をしめ自分に懐いていた子供に手をかける凶行をしてしまう 首に対してハルカの手が大きいこと、第1審MVと同じ三つ編みであること、ハルカがアマネを苦手としているのが殺したのが子供である根拠である ハルカについて ハルカは第二審現在苦手ながらも囚人とコミュニケーションが取れているし、会話も出来ていることから本当に幼児退行しているとは正直考え難い MVの不揃いな服装、VDの言動の数々は人の気を引くためのものだろう、彼の行動の数々は「構われたい」の一点に終始し、無視されることを極端に嫌う 子供や動物が苦手なのは何もせずとも愛される(目をかけられる)嫉妬故の感情だろう、だがシドウカズイコトコに畏怖を感じている辺り、腹に一物を抱える人間も苦手にしているようだ 彼が自信を得て、人の評価が全てではないということを理解しなければこの先赦されたとしても幸せな人生を送るのは難しい

Fun fact: this came out while I was in a mental hospital 😍👌