Excellent guest. Clearly police matters have universal themes throughout the world. She points out patterns and behaviors and society and in the criminal justice system that repeats itself are on the world. Here in the US, it was nice for her to reference the great work being done by people who are trying to genuinely move the black lives matter movement forward because it is being seen around the world as a way to address police issues in every community. Thank you for having her on the show
Any discussion on Sindh police is incomplete without 90s operations and Naseerullah Babar’s role in it. Karachites still remember what he did to the city.
I am sure Zoha Mam and Shazad ko is baare main maloom hee hoga lekin zahir hai har kisi ko jaan piyaari hai. I personally know people whose father or family members are In Police Dept. and they have said ke agar koi SHO kisi aise ilaqai main drug lords ko pakarne ki karai aur churse wagera ko band karaye tou most probably hota hai ye ke Rangers ke wing commander ki call ajati ke issai riha karo aur agar resist karain tou phr apko pata hai. I am not generalising, achai log bhi hotai hai no doubt. Karachi kya poorai Pakistan main manshiyat enter ho hee nahi sakti bagair Generals ke order ke bagair. The difference is that ke Rangers and ISI mostly earn from cities and Top brass Generals earn from borders and list goes on.
Shazad, I really enjoy watching your shows. I am also Karachi born and shifted to Mumbai after partion, when I was six years old. I wish partion didn't happen. Wish you all the best.
That was a funny closing guys. I researched the word and found the passage below in a “The Hindustan Times” article. Thulla’ is an extremely popular term used for policemen across north India, including Delhi and the National Capital Region (NCR). The term is most widely applied to a person who is ‘not capable of delivering on the work given to him or someone who does not do his work honestly.’
The thing about afghan refugee children is that it was their parents who were caught but their children had no place to go to so the children were 'allowed' to be in jail with their parents. Bad regardless.
In USA... For 320 million population 20 k judges are in judicial system. A case at district level is tried under jury system ( not possible in desi lands) take 2-3 years and 90℅ cases are refused by appellate court on appeal. In India, 1300 million population there are 25-30 k judges. BUT in Indian judiciary , there r 22 hi courts and 1 supreme court, judges in higher judiciary is appointed by 5 judge panel of supreme Court . There are about 1100 judges in hi court and supreme Court. Effectively for 130 cr people in India 1100 judges are available cause... District courts have low prestige, as district judges are appointed by state level exams. 99℅ of cases tried by district court are appealed at hi court and accepted for re trial. Basically a straight forward murder case will take 4-5 years in district court and again tried in hi court, another 4-5 years. So a normal case takes 10-12 years to be tried. Thus in US it takes 2 years to complete a case and in India it takes 10 years ( basically system is useless). I think it's d same problem of Pakistani system. My remedy : have all India legal service like Indian administrative system. Newly selected lawyer undergrad be appointed as legal aide 2-3 years, than public prosecutor 5-6 years, than district judge and after 20 years promote to hi court and subsequently supreme Court. Basically increasing d prestige of district court judges by making it meritorious service .... Speedy justice system could be implemented.
Informative comment. But do you know how much money USA spends on it's justice system? I've heard the entire expenditure is roughly 400 Billion dollars per year. The is number 4 followed by 11 zeros.
Ur 2 hr episode shud come to around 100 mb in apple audio but its more than 300 mb. Apple doesnt allow more than 200 mb in data download. Kindly lower the audio quality to 64 to make smaller file size. I live in a village and dont have wifi, just 4G.
Shahzads nuanced political inclinations becomes quite stark sometimes. Guest : political engineering phr ho re ha aur mqm phr la re han Shahzad : 2017 man political engineering hue the aur successful the
@@ThePakistanExperience a brilliant podcast btw. Loved every bit of it. I know you dont get enough views for what you make but i have to let you know that its well appreciated by people like me. And this is coming from an insafian
32:44, Police stopped me once around 3:30 / 4 am in night, gentleman inquired: Kahan ja rahe ho I said: Ghar! He said: ok, khayal se jana no verification of documents even he did not bother to ask my name , and I was like "HAIN???" for couple of minutes...
Technically these police organization cannot be called Sindh and Punjab police. Be most of their rank file are federal employees. Like IG Sindh is federal employee. So loyalty lies with Islamabad not towards CM Sindh.
madam ki English toh achi hy but she needs to update her information: that man who hit a traffic warden with a car was a Balochistan MPA and that case has been settled out of court through blood money, secondly those Rangers personnel who shot a kid were sentenced to death by court but were later pardoned by the President.
We all know how blood money works in Pakistan and how coercive/forceful the process is behind the scenes. Just another way for the elites to protect themselves from consequences.
I am not supporting this practice of blood money; I was merely adding to the issues discussed in the podcast. I have just stated facts and they do not represent my personal opinion on the issue. Cheers!
Very good topic, great guest, and good questions from Shehzad. I’m interested in a further comparison between urban police forces in India and Pakistan. A major difference is that that in India the army has no role in law enforcement, but they too suffer from similar ills as Pakistani police. Corruption, encounters, VIP culture are issues there as well. The PSP structure is also quite problematic. The officer cadre is accountable to the centre instead of the province or local governments.
Well let me give you some insight to policing in kolkata. As I live in the city. Most police officers in India do not carry guns especially traffic police. But in kolkata and mumbai it's quite different. Due to the naxal revolution in kolkata a lot police officers and naxal party workers were killed during the 70's. So Our police is actually allowed to carry guns even traffic police officers have guns. But then again our police is actually pretty chill even if you compare with the rest of the country. Even people in the city will tell you that they do a good job. Even here bikes are caught more than cars but then again they won't charge you unnecessarily. And now in 2023 you don't even see police on the streets unless there is a political figure coming to that part of the town. Also the fines are now very high and the fines automatically get charged to your account and if that account has no money. Then when you go to renew your registration for road tax you will have to pay all that with interest. Also you get a sms on you phone if you violate a traffic rule where there are cameras. Also just to add another point encounters don't really happen anymore.
Ye guftugu urdu ma hoti to zyada mozoon rehta. Zyada logon ko is hassas mozoo ki samj ati. English ki guftugu son k boht sey log ye samj bethtay hen k ab DHA waley hamein hamary masly samjhaein gy.
even in charsada a mob attacked on police station and sb jala diya bcz accused was in the station, but on other side, the police will also judge you if you file a religious case, they will not facilitate you if you say that I'm an Ahmadi that's what happened with me, I faced this thing personally
the Rangers have the same complaint, especially during the peak of MQM elimination, that they sent the accused to the police, and the police would free them
@@Tsuphian Have you heard her saying that? Have you heard him even asking this question. When Hazrat Umer R.A WAS ASKED ABOUT HIS LONG CURTA, DO U Know WAHT WAS HIS ANSWER? He explained the whole matter in detail and didn’t try to be over smart by saying “ have you heard of sharing”. I don’t understand why Pakistanis are so afraid of asking questions especially from those who speak English in foreign accent. Come out of this inferiority complex at least.
01:30:00 its not that simple, there r different aspects to it, there is poverty, there is regulation, there is also harassment. Beggars and small vendors can neither be eradicated nor given a free pass to everything. If your bell rings 30 times a day assuming your old mother is alone at home, then something needs to be done, thats why marketing or begging is not supposed to be done door to door because then everyone wants to do it, problem is, when we tell walls or omore not to enter residential areas, there big capital will not listen. Also, if the poor are contained so much, say for example a place as big as phase 8 Isb, it was just barren and villages, now its Bahria, the poor guy is banned from all of that area without exception. It should have had at least 4 to 5 itwar bazaars inside, but why? Profit
Such an interesting topic! Btw I think the sindhi topi and ajrak the robbers wore seemed a bit too overt. Kinda like a disguise to throw off the police or something
That was exactly my first thought. Who wears sindhi topi and ajrak like that? Other possibility could be that it is staged. The way looters were wearing topi and ajrak, the facial expression of the guy, no one who is being looted could be so relaxed, people are genuinely scared and shocked in that moment. I have been mugged so i know that moment of dread. This video fits in nicely in the propaganda that flood affectees are coming to karachi and mugging people. Mqm sympathizer in electronic media and social media ar3 doing their dirty work. Shame. Btw i was mugged by two muhajir boys in 2013. Just saying.
@@outontheverge yes just like mqm people burning 260 people alive in baldia. Would you care to ask me for the ethnicity of people who mugged me in 2013 in karachi?
01:26:00 'this is exactly the same in Islamabad, ask anything to the police, "ye Afghanio ne kia hoga", hardly anyone accepts that it doesn't matter, what matters is that are they doing their job or just speculating ethnicities, as though pathan ya punjabi hote to unho ne pakar lena tha'
Shehzad there is a spot on the camera facing you that's driving me insane. There are scratches on my screen from trying to clean it. Please bro clean the lens
Shehzad, the story you were referring didn't happen between civilian police and an army brat. It was between provost/military police and an air force brat in E-9 Islamabad. I don't agree with mocking the kid. He was slapped which was an abuse of power so, he rightfully called his father who held power in that situation. That's what every child/young teen should do. Lastly, if someone were to be slapped, their emotions are going to be heightened so, they might say something stupid/cringe.
@@outontheverge The provost officer should've been fired/suspended later as he overstepped his boundaries. Why wouldn't he mention the position of his father when someone had abused their authority and slapped him? He rightfully called his father who held power in that situation. What did you want him to do? Chup kar k khara ho jaye?
@@Serious9185 Why wouldn't he intimidate someone who just slapped his son? He wasn't threatening him over a legal stop, it was over an illegal abuse of power.
@@outontheverge What even is your point? Secondly, who's placing such officers on a pedestal? My entire point is you're mocking the kid who was the victim in that exchange. Lastly, how was it countered by an abuse of power? He was rightfully suspended/fired because he abused his authority. If someone else doesn't get justice to aap ko bhi haath bandh kar khare ho jaana chaiye?
She is probably unaware of the compensation/ package Sindh Govt gives to the police if martyred in the line fire. The family of Shaheed gets all the benefits of an in- service employee like promotions, raise in salary as announced in the budget , house accommodations and host of other benefits till he reaches superannuation as laid out as a result of embracing martyrdom.
The monetary compensation (at the time of processing) and continued post-humous remuneration is paid to the widow only, not the heirs/family. The rank freezes and is not subject to promotion and/or raises in salary, irrespective of budgetary restructuring. They do not get any further benefits such as accommodation. The only case of superannuation is when the widow remarries.
It was brilliant show but جہاں تک نبیل گول کی بات ہے تو بھائی ہم تو مشرف سے لے کر عاصم منیر تک کسی سے نہیں ڈرے تو یہ نبیل گبول کیا چیز ہے،الگ بات کہ زندگی تباہ کرلی لیکن بہرحال آپکی اپنی معاملات یا حالات ھوں کہ ایک غنڈے سے ڈر گئے
Invite Sufi singer and dive deep into Sufi singing traditions and technical aspects of the art ( rules, stages of learning, gharana tradition etc etc). Also paki art historian..... Painting, sculptures , artisan work. Socio economic aspect in historical context and present situations. Female paki doctors.... Professional challenges.Lady doctors often stop practicing after getting married due to family pressure. Other issues. Medical speciality selected by female docs
