MILWAUKEE 8 STAGE 4 ENGINE DIAGNOSIS AND DAMAGE SERIES , SCREAMIN EAGLE LIFTER INSPECTION PART 3 

Thanks for the compliment!

@@HarleyDavidsonWizard what about showing the lifter to one of the V8 engine builders? They have been working with high performance hydraulic lifters for years.

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Thanks for the compliment. It does take alot more time and effort to "make sure your ducks are in a row" like this before calling warranty. But it's like a one shot deal to call and plead a case. I aim for the best outcome. Thanks for the view.

@@HarleyDavidsonWizard I have been told by many dealerships that if you use any other part on the engine/drive train besides a genuine Harley Davidson brand, it automatically voids the 2 year and Extended Service Plan warranty. Slip-ons shouldn't but definitely even a 3rd party header pipe will void the warranty. In all fairness, I have seen other videos where people change out certain parts in Hondas, BMWs, etc. All brands seem prone to have less than sufficient factory parts that everyone swears you must change out for a 3rd party part. Question I have then, what is the best parts combination to have a solid, reliable V twin engine? ARCH motorcycles uses an all S&S powerplant but it's a $90,000 motorcycle because it's custom built. Why wouldn't Harley use the same combo if it would prove to be so reliable? How stout is the Sportster Evo 5? It's been around for YEARS.

Thanks for the view and comment!!

Thanks for the compliment and view!!!

last year he brought the vehicle in for a "clicking" sound. Nothing was noted as "abnormal" at that time.

Lol. I love the S&S cam plate/oil pump and premium lifters!!! There honestly beautiful! And awesome!!! Lol

Don't forget the s&s lifter cuffs.

Harley Davidson Wizard and the SS pump also broke...5000 miles...SS is getting too be junk lately. After 50 years using there stuff...no more

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It's not. Lol. But I figured this situation might be a interesting angle of HD dealership life and interesting to someone.

Glad to hear it!

Ya. I expect to be waiting a while. But we'll see.

Btw, Your videos are the best!! Greatly informative and you break everything down. Thank you 🙏🏻

lol Thats crazy! I hadn't seen that before.

If I did a Harley kit for myself I would do it like that too!

Harley Davidson Wizard looking to open a shop of my own after this corona crap and am gonna build my personal bike’s engine as a demo type bike for the shop. Gonna do the 131 kit but swapping the pieces mentioned above. Only part I haven’t settled on is the cam. Not worried about Emissions or absolute max power. Just good streetable cam. I have a couple of ideas. What would you go with?? Love getting educated opinions.

I've used the T-man 2652 cam in 2 SE 131 kits. It worked great. Valve train noise was less than the SE 515 and more power everywhere across the dyno chart.

Thanks!!!

Thanks. I've just been busy with house and family projects. Lately. I'll get back into youtube.

Not normal for the front cylinder, It happens on both cylinders.

Thanks. All 4 lifters are the same and they dont need to be installed any specific way and any lifter can go in any lifter hole. The "hole" you speak of where people bleed the lifter is where the oil is pumped into the lifter during normal engine running. When I install the lifters I like to orientate this "bleed" towards the flywheels on all 4 lifters. But the lifters can also be installed with the "bleed" hole pointing away from the flywheels. The way the lifter bodys are machined makes the oil path exactly the same all around the lifter so whether the bleed holes orientation doesnt matter. I just like to keep all 4 lifter holes pointing the same direction. The factory assembles the engines with zero care to the direction of the lifter bleed hole.

Brad I have a question on the new H-D stock "C" tappets. I have a 2007 96" A Twin Cam. The new "C" tappets have that hole oriented either to the rear or front of the engine. You can't face them inboard or outboard like the "B" tappets. So do the new "C" tappets go oriented away from each other. Like the rear two tappet holes face to the rear & the front two tappets to the front since the would put the lifter holes facing the oil passages in the lifter bores? Thanks

i pulled the front lifter cuff wondering if it had suffered damage it was in perfect condition and took no damage.

@@HarleyDavidsonWizard odd, still looks like a spun roller lifter but the damage is done. 👍

last year he brought the vehicle in for a "clicking" sound. Nothing was noted as "abnormal" at that time.

Appreciate it!

There used to be a "recommended mileage inspection" for a obsolete version of Screaming Eagle lifters. Around 6 or more years ago inside the Screaming Eagle catalog it recommended removal and inspection of the "screaming eagle" brand lifters every 7500 miles when used with hi-performance cams. I only saw this recommendation for 1 year and haven't seen any other recommendations since. That being said, a hi-performance setup does require more maintenance than a stock OEM setup. A normal OEM engine doesn't require any lifter inspection for maintenance and i've pulled them out at at 100k miles and they look great. Its where spring seat pressures and valve open pressure can be multiple times a OEM setup in a performance setup where it would be wise to disassemble and inspect regularly. But in my experience I wouldn't recommend Screaming Eagle lifters when other options are available. That being said, the current version Screaming Eagle lifter has "updated" components and I think has been around for only a year so time will tell how the hold up.

@@HarleyDavidsonWizard thanks for the reply. I took the bike to local dealer and the service manager checked my bike out and said it doesn't sound like there's anything suspicious going on. He said that the M8 stage 4 valve train is pretty loud especially with the trask air cleaner I'm running and synthetic oil.

TheMarkMillerGroup Harley has and oiling problem with early M8’s, a lot of them are being fixed under warranty by Harley.

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Yes all I’ve heard of had pump ( lack of oil) failure. RU-vidr Orneryone is waiting on Harley to ship him a new motor.

No damage. The stock anti rotation device was in normal shape. I removed it as I was wondering how well it held up and it did perfectly.

@@HarleyDavidsonWizard , That is interesting considering how tore up that lifter is. Your vacuum jar lifter oiling method makes perfect sense.

Thanks From across the pond!! Social distance in that crazy shed!!! lol

Don't ever get rid of your Evo Alan!

@@kennethwise7108 I love my Evo don't worry it ain't going anywhere regards my friend Alan.

It says to soak the lifters in the service manual. When I talk to the warranty department I don't let my opinions get involved, I just state the damage I see and let the motor company come to there own conclusion. The only real goal is to make this situation the best it can be for the customer / make sure the customer has a good experience with the brand. I only shared my opinions of the possible root cause in this video.

That's I apreachate it!!

not many anymore.

Agreed

True facts. Oil is life!!

Better tip - lose the Harley lifters and use S&S or other quality lifters

Ya I try to not use SE lifters if at all possable.

Crap

My pleasure!

Do you have a stock engine or is it modified? If modified what parts?

@@HarleyDavidsonWizard2014 BreakOut CVO 110, around 200 hr at 100mph before tappette cam....

Its is a stock cvo engine. It doesn't need any lifter inspection. It's only if the engine has had performance parts added.

@@HarleyDavidsonWizard yes stock, but now it is a 117 and it doesn't worth the upgrade, yes it is faster from 160 to 180km but from 0to 195km it was faster stock, Harley did a great product stock. i enjoy this new 117 kit, the cam that come with it is more open so less torque at low rpm but get 122pound of torque, i want to put high compression and flowed head and go back to closer cam. Stock Second Year did 65mpg at 100mph.... Tell if a race Bike do that ;-)

My typical beef with SE lifters is them not pumping up and ticking. Maybe one day I will look more into the plunger end and compare them to other brands if I get a chance. For example, while installing adjustable pushrods and preloading the plunger in the lifer, on SE lifters the plunger feels notchy and crunchy where as when preloading S&S or Feuling plungers there super smooth so I believe there to be a manufacturing quality difference. I honestly don't install alot of SE lifters as my experience shows there failure prone and we don't sell the tipically.

We will see. Hopefully not. Lol

I know Toyota will send complete components. Friend just had engine block failure on a Ford Fusion, they sent a block to the dealer, with only the rolling assembly and the mechanic had to re-install everything else. Another friend just had transmission case failed on a 2020 Milwaukee 8, same deal.

no. The 117 uses just normal lifters.

@@HarleyDavidsonWizard i have a stock 117..... I recently started experiencing a pretty loud knock at startup when cold. It goes away after about 10 seconds but lately it's been lasting a little longer. I took it to Harley and they told me it was a lifter that was not holding oil pressure or something? Does this make sense to you?

I honestly do not know. I would be interested to know if someone out there has information on it.

Harley Davidson Wizard I am going stick with Jims , Fueling and S&S valve train parts

This bike has 7100 miles on it.

@@HarleyDavidsonWizard Wow. That's low miles for lifter failure.

I agree.

AGREE

yep!! She broke!!

Whn new video coming out 👊🏻fist bump.. 👍👍

The lifter axle in the early Screaming Eagle lifters are not hard enough to stand up to the demands on them. So the needle bearings inside were damaged and locked up the roller on the cam shaft causing all the damage. There are new updated SE lifters out now with a harder axle. Time will tell if they last better. I sure hope they do.

@@HarleyDavidsonWizard .....man thank you for replying...forgive me for a dumb question , I just finished the othe videos that you thoroughly explain the cause of the damage.....sorry but that man, but you answered my question and that means alot man.... thats first class in my book

Your bike has normal lifters. No original equipment OEM engine came with the screaming eagle lifters. The SE lifters only came in the stage 3 and stage 4 over the counter kits. Yes there are updated SE lifters compared to the original stage 3 and stage 4 kits. Thanks for the question.

Brad The Wizard Appreciate the response sir!! Glad to know I’ve got nothing to worry about. Great channel and series, much appreciated!