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What is the Bend programming language for parallel computing? Let's take a first look at Bend and how it uses a Python-like syntax to write high performance code that can run on the GPU.
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@WorstDeveloper
@WorstDeveloper 21 день назад
Time to become a code bender.
@igorthelight
@igorthelight 21 день назад
But what about non-benders? ;-)
@mishanya1162
@mishanya1162 21 день назад
@@igorthelight Folders you mean?
@kipchickensout
@kipchickensout 21 день назад
​@@mishanya1162 is that with or without hard R
@catakuri6678
@catakuri6678 21 день назад
Everything changed when the Bug nation attacked
@Sq7Arno
@Sq7Arno 21 день назад
Finally, I have a chance to step into my father's shoes. Grow a pair. Live the life I was born to live.
@hamadaelwarky3640
@hamadaelwarky3640 21 день назад
Time to add 10 years of experience to my resume/CV
@lionlike5856
@lionlike5856 21 день назад
Can we stop making this joke every fucking video
@Eichro
@Eichro 21 день назад
My work experience is multithreaded, that's how
@domodiak
@domodiak 21 день назад
Probably 4 minutes in 1314000 threads
@atemoc
@atemoc 21 день назад
@@lionlike5856 We would if it wouldn't still be true
@alexander1989x
@alexander1989x 21 день назад
Recruiters be like: Do you have 10 years experience in bend?
@VictorTaelin
@VictorTaelin 21 день назад
That video was *extremely* well done. Seems like someone has read the docs! Thanks for making it. We're long-term fans of your content here at HOC. If you or any other content creator wants to reach out, we're available to talk about the technology and answer any questions. We know there's a lot of work to do, but we're excited about it. You can expect Bend to become faster with every release. There are also many missing features (64-bit numbers, larger memory limit, etc.) that will be added very soon!
@steinerkelvin
@steinerkelvin 21 день назад
Let's do it. 🚀🚀
@xeon39688
@xeon39688 21 день назад
excited*
@mysterry2000
@mysterry2000 21 день назад
Thank you for commenting! Shouldn't it be possible to model for loops to work like the tree model that Jeff showed, or am I missing something?
@Rasperin
@Rasperin 21 день назад
This might legitimately make my life so much easier. It looks like I have some docs and playing around to do.
@ben_car_8115
@ben_car_8115 21 день назад
⁠@@mysterry2000In the circles that would be using this language, the “fold” keyword and everything that comes along with it is actually more understandable that calling it a loop. When he said no loops I originally was confused but as soon as he said it’s replaced by “fold” I immediately got it. It’s just one of those things :/
@samwalker7567
@samwalker7567 21 день назад
Folds have been a mainstay of the functional programming world for a very long time. I remember teaching students how to implement folds in Python a few years back and it blowing their minds. The basic concept that all loops are simply a subset of a wider class of iterative constructs called folds is transformational - I love the simplicity and inherent understanding of a fold. This new concept of a bend is incredibly interesting, as like the fold it appears to be able to emulate any kind of loop or iterative function, but instead of going from many to one, goes from one to many. I will be playing around with this over the next few weeks I am sure!
@asdfghyter
@asdfghyter 21 день назад
Yeah, these concepts are really fascinating! The paper "Functional Programming with Bananas, Lenses, Envelopes and Barbed Wire" from 1991 gives a deep-dive in the different kinds of recursion schemas you can work with, though unfortunately not in the most accessible way possible. In that paper a fold is called a catamorphism, while a bend/unfold is called an anamorphism. Having these concepts built into the language is very interesting, as it both gives them more directly to users and allows the compiler to optimize them directly. Another interesting related concept is the Church-encoding of data-types, allows any algebraic data type to be encoded as a (higher order) function. The Church-encoding of a data type is literally just the data applied to its fold. This is actually used for list-fusions in Haskell, where the lists are temporarily converted church-encoding, which can allow skipping construction of intermediate lists that would've been immediately folded away. Afterwards, you can recover the original data by giving the fold the original constructors. As the video mentioned, a fold is basically just a search-and-replace, where each constructor is replaced by some function, so replacing them with the original constructors is obviously a no-op. I'm not sure if there is a corresponding concept to the Church-encoding for bends, but it feels like there should be one
@asdfghyter
@asdfghyter 21 день назад
Looking at the Haskell module Data.Fix, I believe that what it calls the Least Fixpoint data Mu f = Mu { unMu :: forall a. (f a -> a) -> a } corresponds to the church-encoding, which would mean that the Greatest Fixpoint is the corresponding thing for a bend data Nu f = forall a. Nu (a -> f a) a both of these are equivalent to the basic recursive fixpoint data Fix f = Fix { unFix :: f (Fix f) } which allows you to write recursive data types without explicit recursion, which also means that you get the folds and bends for free In the bend language, you wouldn't need the Fix datatype, since folds and bends are built into the language
@AlexRodriguez-gb9ez
@AlexRodriguez-gb9ez 19 дней назад
BTW you also know that FOLDS can be done not only on lists and graphs, they can be done on AST of code, and the fold on the AST is what is reffered to as an interpreter (the LISP eval function) O_o. Also in Haskell Monads are cata mappables, where the cata operation of monoids (i.e: (0,+,sum),([],++,concat),(true,&&,and) is a fold operation. Monads(programmable semicolons; chainable functions) literally are calling evaluate then map on your embedded languages as ASTs, and they split the embedded languages into their semantics so that Monads are programmable semantics.
@Tony-ow9bo
@Tony-ow9bo 16 дней назад
You talk like somebody who thinks IQ is an important number.
@asdfghyter
@asdfghyter 16 дней назад
@@Tony-ow9bo huh, what? why?
@noname-ql5fn
@noname-ql5fn 21 день назад
Watched this video on 8000 Cores in parallel, added 500h of bend experience to my resume
@axelnick1
@axelnick1 21 день назад
I just knew you actually calculated the time x cores, instead of giving random numbers
@augustday9483
@augustday9483 21 день назад
5head 🧠
@cbaesemanai
@cbaesemanai 21 день назад
I will hire you for my job listing which requires 10 years of production bend programming experience
@davideographer4410
@davideographer4410 21 день назад
ACKCHYUALLY... 500h = 30,000m = 4m video x 7,500 cores 😋
@nu1x
@nu1x 21 день назад
500 ? You need to start with 50 000 hours for entry level positions, or no one will take you seriously.
@jonathanjeshualaniba5958
@jonathanjeshualaniba5958 21 день назад
“1 week of problem, instead 7 days with 7 computers” 🤣🤣🤣
@deadlock107
@deadlock107 21 день назад
doesn't make any sense, especially in the context of parallel computing
@Qohist
@Qohist 21 день назад
wooosh or no?
@ashenmint
@ashenmint 21 день назад
@@Qohist it's definitely a r/wooosh
@TeslaPixel
@TeslaPixel 21 день назад
@@deadlock107 The joke is that the time saved running parallel was spent on the extra complexity of developing a parallel solution.
@alexlofka360
@alexlofka360 21 день назад
Thanks it wasn't stated in seconds😂
@Walker-ky9vy
@Walker-ky9vy 21 день назад
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="80">1:20</a> “may even lead to conflicts with demons”😂
@paulstelian97
@paulstelian97 20 дней назад
daemon, as apparently some dialects call demons daemons
@sinistressdreams7243
@sinistressdreams7243 15 дней назад
@@paulstelian97 I think that was the whole joke and thats why he is laughing about it...
@nuggert
@nuggert 12 дней назад
@@paulstelian97🤓
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@---.. 11 дней назад
@@paulstelian97 I think it might be referencing the famous "nasal demons" meme from 1992 on comp.std.c noting how undefined behavior (which is common in incorrect parallel programs) can permit compilers to do arbitrarily strange things, giving "make demons fly out of your nose" as an example.
@ivoryas1696
@ivoryas1696 9 дней назад
​@@---.. Neat. Thanks.
@pamus6242
@pamus6242 20 дней назад
We needed this 17 years ago. It is happening 17 years too late. Imagine what we could have done with those core2quads and Phenoms !!
@mho...
@mho... 7 дней назад
🥺 My Phenom2 x4 955BE ran for over 10 years 💪& the Motherboard died before the CPU! Was a really great Piece of Silicon!
@farouk_bloncko
@farouk_bloncko 21 день назад
someone tomorrow will start recruiting people with 10 years of experience in this
@MmMRmaxim
@MmMRmaxim 21 день назад
This reminds me. Fuck the modern industry.
@nKe.
@nKe. 21 день назад
With salary being "valuable experience"
@realbigsquid
@realbigsquid 21 день назад
😂
@AMan-xz7tx
@AMan-xz7tx 21 день назад
yeah, lol. The only reasons that companies will ask for that is, either because they want the employee to do the work of making the company look better on statistics, or because they want the credentials to be impossible so they have an excuse to cut costs with dirt-cheap outsourced labor (or, with a textbook "do less with more effort" lack of experience that only an executive could have, with a GPT AI model)
@MmMRmaxim
@MmMRmaxim 21 день назад
@@AMan-xz7tx Problem is, that at a certain level this approach just won't work anymore. If a company demands unattainable experience , the few candidates that will have a somewhat relevant portfolio will demand a lot more than the company is willing to pay.
@_ptoni_
@_ptoni_ 21 день назад
Saw this on Twitter/X and was like 'no way, this is a scam'. Then I saw their pfp was an anime avatar and ngl kinda trusted them immediately lmao
@Flowlackstalent
@Flowlackstalent 21 день назад
😂😂
@fresh218
@fresh218 21 день назад
Certificate of trust spotted
@mahersafadii
@mahersafadii 21 день назад
Same, I saw it from anime pfp account yesterday lol
@Manivelarino
@Manivelarino 21 день назад
Anime nerds single handedly pushing humanity 100s of years ahead just to make their waifus real in their lifetime 💪
@genghiskhan6688
@genghiskhan6688 21 день назад
why are weeaboos like that lol
@EllGeeLabs
@EllGeeLabs 20 дней назад
People are rediscovering functional programming without knowing it.
@leftaroundabout
@leftaroundabout 19 дней назад
I think it's more accurate to say that people are copying features from Haskell without giving it enough credit.
@bearwynn
@bearwynn 16 дней назад
@@leftaroundabout the description for bend literally shouts out haskell
@xaaal11122
@xaaal11122 16 дней назад
​@@bearwynn bend is running on interaction combinators, that are optimal implementation of lambda calculus, which haskell is running on
@keepmehomeplease
@keepmehomeplease 14 дней назад
@@leftaroundaboutyou have no idea what you’re talking about
@leftaroundabout
@leftaroundabout 13 дней назад
@@keepmehomeplease you sure excel at phrasing criticism diplomatically, hm? But, what's your point? There can't be much doubt that the designers of Bend were well aware of Haskell from the start, and so were the designers of, say, Rust. So who do you mean that supposedly didn't know about functional programming?
@anonl5877
@anonl5877 21 день назад
You should do a video about Lean, it's a language that can understand mathematical logic and be used to prove theorems. It also has a very unique type system.
@paulstelian97
@paulstelian97 20 дней назад
There’s also a tiny game where you have to prove some stuff about natural numbers online.
@anon_148
@anon_148 18 дней назад
He should do a video about doing some actual lean
@yumbream
@yumbream 18 дней назад
I LOVE LEAN, CHARLIE. I LOVE LEAN!
@marcuss.abildskov7175
@marcuss.abildskov7175 13 дней назад
Next he should do a video about Gleam
@cherubin7th
@cherubin7th 21 день назад
But GPU guy said we will never have to code again.
@Meleeman011
@Meleeman011 20 дней назад
he did say that didn't he? LOL
@randomnickname123
@randomnickname123 20 дней назад
LMAO GPU guy
@andrewboldi47
@andrewboldi47 20 дней назад
*the* GPU guy
@Eleganttf2
@Eleganttf2 19 дней назад
all hail the lord mighty Jensen huang
@andrewboldi47
@andrewboldi47 19 дней назад
@@Eleganttf2 shhh it's an insider joke people aren't supposed to know 😂
@neposis
@neposis 21 день назад
Yoooo new programming thing dropped that's not a new js library finally letsgoo
@DeltaByte
@DeltaByte 21 день назад
not a js library yet*
@FenrirRobu
@FenrirRobu 21 день назад
​@@DeltaByte chatgpt how do I compile a rust based programming language for wasm
@thejoycode
@thejoycode 21 день назад
just started working on the JS binding to bend so we can write bend in js using bun
@okachobe1
@okachobe1 21 день назад
Its not AI!
@carlosmspk
@carlosmspk 21 день назад
I'm not super on top of JS world, but haven't new frameworks kinda stopped releasing lately?
@richtigmann1
@richtigmann1 19 дней назад
That diagram showing the combinators being untangled is just so awesome.
@thecancermen245
@thecancermen245 21 день назад
Props for covering this project
@komeelali3832
@komeelali3832 21 день назад
7 days 7 computers joke was hilarious 🤣🤣🤣
@lovwanshichetan
@lovwanshichetan 21 день назад
Well, that's somewhat true for some cases. As this language heavily relies on recursion which takes a lot of resources & time for the same thing can be done with a normal for-loop but since it uses parallel computing it makes up for that. And that 7 computer analogy was used there because it can use all cores of cpu/gpu unlike what traditional languages do.
@AMan-xz7tx
@AMan-xz7tx 21 день назад
I initially thought he made a joke about crypto miners, both before and after I got the joke it was still funny
@supercompooper
@supercompooper 21 день назад
I liked his random numbers ❤
@notaspectator
@notaspectator 21 день назад
did it lol , buggy distributed node code
@ydne
@ydne 20 дней назад
Was it a typo or a satirical analysis of how we are becoming frozen in a block of new good-intended time-savers?
@mephilees7866
@mephilees7866 21 день назад
Parallel Language: Check. Supports GPU: Check. Built with Rust(has thread safety, fast, beautiful, runs everywhere): What? ALL IN. let's integrate to Python and push to production now.
@vidal9747
@vidal9747 21 день назад
Python Integration is a must unfortunately. I don't like that it is necessary, but a lot of people are using it
@marcs9451
@marcs9451 21 день назад
rust is as thread ""safe"" as any language, the compiler is simply more restrictive about mutations
@jailsonmendes6120
@jailsonmendes6120 21 день назад
in what world rust is beautiful? lmao
@the_mastermage
@the_mastermage 21 день назад
@@marcs9451 thats why bend doesnt even allow mutations in the first place.
@geroutathat
@geroutathat 21 день назад
It's neat but putting it in production shouldn't happen. Your computer isnt made to run one python app, it runs an os and all sorts, if your app can run in one thread to the satisfaction of people do it that way, let the computer manage it.
@ChrisMazzerbo
@ChrisMazzerbo 16 дней назад
Yoo!! The guy who wrote that paper you mentioned at <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="135">2:15</a> was one of my teachers at my first year of my maths bachelor, that's sick
@user-wh9qs5lo1m
@user-wh9qs5lo1m 18 дней назад
I heard a lot of positive stuff about you and then I met this video. First video of yours i am watching... Totally hooked and I subscribed before I even finished watchng. Thanx you.
@douglaskrause3737
@douglaskrause3737 21 день назад
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="30">0:30</a> So THAT'S why my CUDA code wasn't running close to optimally... it's not my sophomoric understanding of algebra, it was that I wasn't leveraging REGEX!!!
@stephenkolostyak4087
@stephenkolostyak4087 21 день назад
how else will you parse... large text files...
@mage3690
@mage3690 21 день назад
Simply ripgrep your way to Blazingly Fast Code™, young padawan.
@zimriel
@zimriel 21 день назад
"and now you have two problems"
@Shazam999
@Shazam999 21 день назад
you now have a sophomoric understanding of regex.
@asdfghyter
@asdfghyter 21 день назад
@@stephenkolostyak4087 how else will you parse (X)HTML?
@Mersoh
@Mersoh 21 день назад
Imagine running this on cloud servers. They'll hate you for maxing out their resources constantly lol
@igorthelight
@igorthelight 21 день назад
You could make them hate you in any language. Bend is just a little bit easier ;-)
@xSNJVideos
@xSNJVideos 21 день назад
​@@igorthelight A lot a bit easier my friend, a lot a bit. The amount of money my company has lost/wasted on parallelism issues is honestly insane. Time to present this to my team...
@fred.flintstone4099
@fred.flintstone4099 21 день назад
Cloud servers run virtual machines on hypervisors so each customer can only run on as many threads as the virtual machine is configured for, and virtual machines come in different sizes like small, medium and big depending on which one you pay for.
@sennetor
@sennetor 21 день назад
You mean the CFO or however set the cloud spend budget would hate you. CSP's would love you for this.
@sugo8479
@sugo8479 21 день назад
@@igorthelight you might even say that you can get them "bent" out of shape pretty easily
@MorganEarlJones
@MorganEarlJones 21 день назад
I'm not in tech but I've been following this one after a few people on Haskell Twitter mentioned it, the first of whom exclaimed something along the lines of "this guy is turning GPUs into real modern LISP machines!" which is exciting in and of itself, and then I think Ed Kmett engaged with something indicating that this does reduction of something akin to the lambda calculus really efficiently with GPU acceleration which is REALLY exciting
@spdcrzy
@spdcrzy 3 дня назад
oooooooooooooooh. I just went down the lambda calculus rabbit hole again. ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh. This is VERY interesting (if true).
@vladislavkaras491
@vladislavkaras491 18 дней назад
That quite comfy, that by modifying launching argument, you can specify on the fly, if you would like to use single or multithreaded and either CPU or GPU! Thanks for the video!
@AlamKanak
@AlamKanak 21 день назад
takes the order, cleans the toilet and cooks the food, in that order lmao 😂😂
@mu3a.d215
@mu3a.d215 21 день назад
ngl that someone looks like you, respectfully.
@danieldelriodevora9373
@danieldelriodevora9373 21 день назад
@@mu3a.d215 delete this
@shoopddawhooped
@shoopddawhooped 21 день назад
In parallel now they can clean the toilet 3x before cooking the order.
@stephenkolostyak4087
@stephenkolostyak4087 21 день назад
​@@mu3a.d215 that's really ignorant, if the toilet doesn't get cleaned what are we going to cook in?
@Nina-cd2eh
@Nina-cd2eh 21 день назад
Smh these damn customers can't even appreciate concurrency
@Miss0Demon
@Miss0Demon 21 день назад
I’m just gonna stick with C, like God intended.
@RawFish2DChannel
@RawFish2DChannel 21 день назад
the Holy-C?
@cherubin7th
@cherubin7th 21 день назад
O yes God hates people.
@inversemicron
@inversemicron 21 день назад
@@RawFish2DChannel The Holy C.
@prontomatias3081
@prontomatias3081 21 день назад
Temple OS this is the way
@jakezepeda1267
@jakezepeda1267 21 день назад
God's Language
@4RILDIGITAL
@4RILDIGITAL 19 дней назад
The parallelism promise sounds revolutionary for computing. The way you explained the workings makes it seem less complex. Looking forward to exploring more about this language.
@michaelbuckers
@michaelbuckers 12 дней назад
Parallelism has been a thing since as early as computers had multiple CPUs, which is almost as soon as computers became a thing. The difference this makes, is that being a room temperature IQ chatGPT user does not preclude you from writing multithreaded code.
@johngodoy2929
@johngodoy2929 20 дней назад
the way you talk about code is so satisfying
@NaN-se8ye
@NaN-se8ye 21 день назад
The multi-threaded example on Python isn't correct, the code shown in the video around <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="71">1:11</a> is creating Python threads which are executed under GIL meaning that only one thread is executed at a time under a single system thread (being Python interpreter itself). So while providing multi-threaded languages feeling, the threading module in Python is not suitable for CPU bound tasks and you'd have to mingle your software parts around to achieve parallel execution on multiple threads/cpus.
@cristianbenescu7949
@cristianbenescu7949 21 день назад
🤓 well ackchyually
@arie1906
@arie1906 21 день назад
Thank you, I learned something
@angelmusonda7951
@angelmusonda7951 21 день назад
Exactly what I wanted to say.
@kjgoebel7098
@kjgoebel7098 21 день назад
Also worth noting, there is a multiprocessing library in Python, which does get around the GIL.
@megaspazos1496
@megaspazos1496 21 день назад
​@@kjgoebel7098yes but python multiprocessing cannot exploit hyperthreaded architectures in the same way multithreading does in C/C++ for example. Also threads are more lightweight and efficient than processes.
@DecadantHandshake
@DecadantHandshake 21 день назад
The first video on all of youtube about this language. Nice.
@KingVoodoo226
@KingVoodoo226 17 дней назад
You're in a league of your own bro, these videos are hella informative and have me rolling lmao
@tylerwalton7659
@tylerwalton7659 20 дней назад
I love that he still puts the “Hi Mom” references in. Gets me every time.
@rodrigosimoes7103
@rodrigosimoes7103 21 день назад
Babe wake up Fireship uploaded
@karanr3ddy
@karanr3ddy 21 день назад
Your babe is with me. she's had a good time.
@LittleMicho
@LittleMicho 21 день назад
​@@karanr3ddy Bad joke :/
@DrDiabolical000
@DrDiabolical000 21 день назад
​@@karanr3ddybruh... that was way too cringe.
@akshorts2115
@akshorts2115 21 день назад
Your babe is sleeping with me 😴
@turolretar
@turolretar 21 день назад
The babe is woken. You, however, are sleeping on the couch tonight
@CaarabaloneDZN
@CaarabaloneDZN 21 день назад
Amazing to see this featuring on fireship crazy stuff from the HOC guys
@HmFood4Thought
@HmFood4Thought 21 день назад
Holy moly you made this fast!
@JavArButt
@JavArButt 20 дней назад
Love your humor, 1 week in serial or 7 days in parallel with 7 different pcs
@divine203
@divine203 21 день назад
4 minutes and one poo later. I now have 10 years experience of Bend. Thanks fireship 🔥
@zimriel
@zimriel 21 день назад
they won't hire you unless there's streetcam evidence
@ivandenkov7446
@ivandenkov7446 20 дней назад
How do you poo so fast?
@SianaGearz
@SianaGearz 19 дней назад
@@ivandenkov7446 Usually 60 years of training (accelerated at triple rate). You need to get your pooping game up mate.
@P-39_Airacobra
@P-39_Airacobra 19 дней назад
Sorry but the industry is already ages ahead of you and left you behind, you're gonna have to find a new specialty
@leocondoric.2391
@leocondoric.2391 21 день назад
Good content bro!
@tommy.3377
@tommy.3377 21 день назад
I just love it Jeff .... This is exactly the kind of content that I am interested in =)
@rip4real437
@rip4real437 21 день назад
the picture used for the daemon conflict was perfect 🤣
@jeffh4581
@jeffh4581 21 день назад
That's actually so sick. Gonna check it out now
@carlosmspk
@carlosmspk 21 день назад
it's VERY early stages. It's probably not the best dev experience right now
@gblargg
@gblargg 21 день назад
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="40">0:40</a> I so wanted to see that program written as a bunch of threads each writing one character, with synchronization between them.
@last8exile
@last8exile 20 дней назад
look into sleep sort
@gblargg
@gblargg 20 дней назад
@@last8exile Hah, I think I already get it. Clever (but potentially a looong time until the last element gets appended).
@ric8248
@ric8248 21 день назад
Episode 5476 of "coders" afraid of C++ looking for an easy way out.
@leviathan5792
@leviathan5792 19 дней назад
Funilly enough, I just spent my afternoon reading about Bend, and then stumbled upon this video! It's definitelly very interesting, and it seems promising. Honestly, I wish this had come out 3 weeks ago, maybe it could have saved a project of mine...
@gtgunar
@gtgunar 21 день назад
APL was made with built-in compatibility with parallel algorithms and reasoning. It could do all of it on a modern interpreter.
@igorthelight
@igorthelight 21 день назад
Including Cuda? ;-)
@igorbaltarejo4745
@igorbaltarejo4745 21 день назад
"Hi mom!" ❤
@igorbaltarejo4745
@igorbaltarejo4745 21 день назад
0:40
@ada0015
@ada0015 21 день назад
rip for his mom
@ryanleffler58
@ryanleffler58 20 дней назад
😢 I’m sure she’s proud
@shinn-tyanwu4155
@shinn-tyanwu4155 15 дней назад
Great presentation thanks 😊😊😊
@harrisjoseph6355
@harrisjoseph6355 21 день назад
Threading package in python std lib is still GIL bound and just time slices a single thread, you must use multiprocessing to achieve true parallelism in python (unless you have compiled 3.12 using noGIL or have written some native library that uses it outside the GIL)
@lipepaniguel
@lipepaniguel 21 день назад
Brazil mentioned! Let’s gooo!!
@Sergio_Loureiro
@Sergio_Loureiro 21 день назад
France mentioned! Let’s gooo!!
@piked86
@piked86 21 день назад
This sounds like a nightmare for compiler bugs
@beepbop6697
@beepbop6697 20 дней назад
Nitpick: multithreading in python are still single threaded because of the GIL. You can spawn threads that are waiting on I/O, but number crunching on the CPU with python's GIL won't ever use more than one vcpu. To leverage more than one cpu in Python requires the multitasking library (spawn additional processes, each single-threaded).
@CtrlGame
@CtrlGame 19 дней назад
Nice knowledge about parallel programming
@Dyils
@Dyils 21 день назад
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="74">1:14</a> But Python still runs a single thread at a time though. This isn't a good example, this will only help when you're limited by waiting for I/O. Compute workloads will be just as fast as without threading. The GIL (Global Interpreter Lock) only allows 1 thread to run at a time. There are ways around this, such as the multiprocessing library but each method has its own caveats.
@humphreywinnebago756
@humphreywinnebago756 21 день назад
Modifying your Python code to take advantage of multiple threads just adds a few gotchas. Nothing too crazy except, oh yeah, IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY RUN ANYTHING IN PARALLEL.
@antonhelsgaun
@antonhelsgaun 21 день назад
You can run multiple processes though, no?
@innovateInvent
@innovateInvent 21 день назад
I can't believe @Fireship overlooked the GIL
@user-dy3yo9ct9r
@user-dy3yo9ct9r 21 день назад
Might as well use async library.
@toxx1220
@toxx1220 21 день назад
exactly my thoughts xD
@nahuelvazquez2241
@nahuelvazquez2241 21 день назад
Weren't they getting rid of the global interpreter lock in a coming version?
@stefa168
@stefa168 21 день назад
Does this also support multiple computers? In our CS department we use a lot MPI, which allows for massive parallelism, and bend would be pretty great as a higher level substitute...
@ixion2001kx76
@ixion2001kx76 21 день назад
Amazing! I saw this on X 3hrs ago and you already have a funny, efficient, and insightful short with your own DEMOs on it! Do you have a time machine or something?
@sortysciaofiscia
@sortysciaofiscia 21 день назад
I DID NOT UNDERSTAND I need a follow-up tutorial on folds and bends
@sortysciaofiscia
@sortysciaofiscia 21 день назад
Edit: I read the github page and I firmly believe that nobody will ever understand folds and bends.
@footballuniverse6522
@footballuniverse6522 21 день назад
@@sortysciaofiscia gotta ask gpt4 to summarize for us simpletons xD
@explodestudios
@explodestudios 21 день назад
Will this help me build my todo app
@newchallengers9420
@newchallengers9420 21 день назад
Yes if it's a ToDo app for all your parallel universe personas
@ab3llini
@ab3llini 20 дней назад
Great video ! Just bear in mind that no matter the underlying framworks, not all algos are parallelizable :)
@bestintentions6089
@bestintentions6089 7 дней назад
Data partitioning is the hard thing about parrel programming. If blocks have a morass of dependencies between each other then you get mostly sequential execution
@ripplerxeon
@ripplerxeon 21 день назад
We are looking for a code bender with 10 years experience in code bending. I liked my own comment cuz I like it that's why I posted it. GigaChad
@sh4ndes
@sh4ndes 20 дней назад
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="102">1:42</a> “two completely random numbers” Mhmmmmmm
@emperor8716
@emperor8716 7 дней назад
You dropped the mic and I dropped my jaw. Insane stuff.
@YuNherd
@YuNherd 21 день назад
thank you for blessing simpletons like me to understand this. dont ever stop FireShip.
@feynstein1004
@feynstein1004 21 день назад
What a time to be alive!
@asdfghyter
@asdfghyter 21 день назад
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="138">2:18</a> "high level languages like python and haskell" two very similar languages on the same difficulty level XD
@traveller23e
@traveller23e 12 дней назад
To be fair, I feel like much of Haskell's difficulty arises from its distance from imperative languages the majority of programmers are used to. Well, that and the relative lack of ide support.
@asdfghyter
@asdfghyter 11 дней назад
@@traveller23e I think the current IDE support through Haskell Language Server is really good! I've had some issues with it refusing to start in the past and such, but when it works it's excellent! Installing it via the vscode extension is also really easy
@ParadymShiftVegan
@ParadymShiftVegan 5 дней назад
"High level" has nothing to do with the difficultly of the language. It's referring to where the code is being applied. Low level languages would be languages which code instructions closer to the hardware of the machine, closer to the 1s and 0s which pass through the logic gates. This tends to be extremely specific by virtue of how information is processed at low levels. But, by virtue of said specificity, this makes them require more effort than a higher-level language. High level languages, on the other hand, are languages that are designed for humans to understand, and therefore are further abstracted from the low-level operations. This comes at the cost of less precise control, memory efficiency, and slower speed of operations, but at the same time allows programmers to complete more work than they would given the same amount of effort in a lower-level language.
@ParadymShiftVegan
@ParadymShiftVegan 5 дней назад
@@traveller23e Also, high and low level isn't referring to the difficultly, it's referring to how abstracted it is from the hardware processes.
@traveller23e
@traveller23e 5 дней назад
​@@ParadymShiftVegan Yes, but one of the goals in abstraction (aside from cross-platform/architecture potential) is to make the language easier to learn or more convenient. The original commenter was laughing at the grouping together of such different languages, I don't think the goal was to teach people that high-level means "easy".
@akansha1127
@akansha1127 20 дней назад
Please don't stop posting content. I am so addicted to this channel already!
@Satyam-mm1ct
@Satyam-mm1ct 20 дней назад
I am unable to understand many things, probably a noobie case but hmm actually his videos are very interesting
@akansha1127
@akansha1127 19 дней назад
@@Satyam-mm1ct You should definitely Google those... And in turn you will get to learn many new things. Internet is vast and a good teacher.
@jackbarham
@jackbarham 18 дней назад
This is it! Time to recode my portfolio that I haven't finished yet.
@wezzelinator
@wezzelinator 21 день назад
Finally. Procedural Haskell.
@evergreen-
@evergreen- 21 день назад
Wait, what? Can you elaborate, please? 2 questions: what’s procedural about this language? Folds and recursions associate with FP. Haskell is said to be good for parallelism also. What’s different with this language that it’s better than Haskell?
@Gigasharik5
@Gigasharik5 21 день назад
Its not haskell and its not procedural at all
@brendanfay2017
@brendanfay2017 20 дней назад
​@@evergreen- the language is procedural but has folds and bends and parallelization like haskell. it's better because stuff like parallel arrays is really hard in haskell, but I don't think it claims ot be better than Haskell anyway. different use cases
@wezzelinator
@wezzelinator 20 дней назад
@@brendanfay2017 :^)
@JohnnyUtah488
@JohnnyUtah488 21 день назад
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="62">1:02</a> "handling one instruction per cycle" *** CISC has left the chat ***
@wezzernium
@wezzernium 21 день назад
Uhhh... x86 has been doing more than one instruction per cycle for decades and I'm pretty sure the only ISA more CISC that it was VAX...
@devnom9143
@devnom9143 21 день назад
DIV over in a corner ruining everything by taking multiple cycles on the majority of architectures; Unless it's an integer division by 2 cause then you can typically get away with a bit shift to the right
@JohnnyUtah488
@JohnnyUtah488 21 день назад
​@@devnom9143 Haha, beat me to it. The Motorola 68HC11 microcontroller takes 41 cycles (!) for an integer divide.
@JohnnyUtah488
@JohnnyUtah488 21 день назад
​@@devnom9143 Haha, beat me to it. IDIV takes a whopping 41 cycles on a M68HC11 microcontroller.
@JohnnyUtah488
@JohnnyUtah488 21 день назад
​@@devnom9143 Haha, yes! I once worked on a microcontroller that took ~40 cycles for a DIV instruction.
@nova8585
@nova8585 21 день назад
Could whatever techniques used to implement fold/bend be ported over to other programming languages?
@meph5291
@meph5291 20 дней назад
Sounds fun when it works. Good luck debugging it.
@FUTURE_XD
@FUTURE_XD 21 день назад
came after i spent 3 months learning cuda
@SVVV97
@SVVV97 21 день назад
It really targets a different domain than cuda. It's for things that you specifically don't want to implement in cuda: just normal, general purpose programming. As the name implies it's a VM and that VM comes with some overhead - so if you implement something once in bare cuda and once in bend the cuda version will be faster. Bend / HVM(2) won't magically speed up your matrix multiplications and stuff like that. But since you already know cuda you'd surely agree that there's a ton of things you would never implement with it simple because it's fucking hard to do so or simply not practical. That's where bend comes in: putting algorithms on the GPU that were traditionally relegated to the CPU due to the limitation of the current implementations of high-level languages. (There's apparently also some room for super new algorithms / making already known algorithms that have issues in current systems more feasible in practice, for example around symbolic computing) (At least that's my current understanding - I'm not involved with the project I've just been following it for some time)
@NielsGx
@NielsGx 21 день назад
@@SVVV97 feels like GPU will replace CPU completely damn If you can get an OS working like this
@Dom-zy1qy
@Dom-zy1qy 21 день назад
You know I was just about to write a comment along the lines of "Man I'm glad I didn't invest my time into studying GPU architecture & learning cuda"
@tacokoneko
@tacokoneko 21 день назад
@@NielsGx OS are fundamentally single threaded concepts at a low level, that's why when supercomputers run, the operating system the supercomputer runs doesn't boot once it boots thousands of times, once for each individual SoC node in the cluster, and the init system of Linux is a single process PID 1 that all other processes fork from, and the bootloader of an SoC initializes the processor through a series of mode changes and all of these occur in a single thread. multithreading and multitasking is a _feature_ that gets enabled and active at a certain point in the SoC boot process but it can't be instantly active it takes a few milliseconds
@dhvcc8182
@dhvcc8182 21 день назад
​@@NielsGx I don't, because the system still needs high hz cores, it's a dandem of GPU/CPU where CPU is the main head
@CalebCleavinger
@CalebCleavinger 21 день назад
But now I don't have to write .sType in vulkan 17,000 times. :(
@ethan7930
@ethan7930 18 дней назад
The question is can single threaded computation in bend rival that of single threaded C++. There is supposedly a massive overhead in bend's interaction combinators system.
@verified_tinker1818
@verified_tinker1818 21 день назад
Ran across this on the Rust sub-Reddit this morning, and now there's already a Fireship video. Dope!
@xXBigGodXx
@xXBigGodXx 21 день назад
I just started to learn coding a few days ago, admittedly i have no idea on what anything said in this video is, but it sounds good for me!
@daphenomenalz4100
@daphenomenalz4100 21 день назад
You should start with Go, do not touch this if you're new. Start with a more simpler typed language like Go, that covers all these principles already and will probably teach you better, as all this would not be happening under the hood and you would have to write it manually. And then move to this or Rust, if you want to explore more. I mean I love Rust, but don't start programming right away with this or Rust 💀 Go will teach you what rust does for the most part already, in an easier syntax.
@daphenomenalz4100
@daphenomenalz4100 21 день назад
Sry for the long para, btw still love rust
@theforsakeen-9014
@theforsakeen-9014 21 день назад
i really recommend you to start with C in cs50.
@xXBigGodXx
@xXBigGodXx 21 день назад
​@@daphenomenalz4100 my only focus is game dev. And i assume AI will make me regret time investment soon, so im more so passively just trying to understand coding in a meta sense. for now i've settled on just learning python + unity or godot engine
@archardor3392
@archardor3392 21 день назад
Don't listen to either of them and just continue learning what you are currently learning. Both C and Rust will burn you out as a beginner unless you are pationate about the languages. You will learn them later, when you can appreciate what they bring to the table.
@kmuralikrishna1998
@kmuralikrishna1998 20 дней назад
Time to fold 10 years of bend to my resume
@realityChemist
@realityChemist 20 дней назад
Honestly, as someone who deals with parallelization pretty often (scientific computing), this is kinda huge
@edwarddejong8025
@edwarddejong8025 19 дней назад
There is another language called Parasail, written by one of the maintainers of Ada, and it also automatically parallelizes code, but it is more conventional, and allows loops in the language. For those interested in Parallel computing, well worth the effort as it is very polished at this point.
@kawaxte
@kawaxte 21 день назад
Damn, It's like everyone apparently knows how to write progrmaming languages and I'm here trying to understand how it all works, despite all the resources available telling me, in complicated ways, how it all works... I'm a simpleton.
@muscifede
@muscifede 21 день назад
skill issue
@YoubasTV
@YoubasTV 21 день назад
Take solace in knowing that even with a lot of learning and professional experience, that feeling will never go away. It's par for the course.
@plshalpme173
@plshalpme173 21 день назад
read sicp, the concept is really well explained there if you cant get through sicp... my condolences
@erayagdogan3389
@erayagdogan3389 21 день назад
I have been coding for 5 years. I still don't feel I fully understand programming.
@RedstonekPL
@RedstonekPL 21 день назад
because you learn by doing you wont learn shit just reading about it same way you wont get good at drawing by reading van goghs biography or whatever just sit down and CODE
@pokefreak2112
@pokefreak2112 21 день назад
We had a tool for that, it was called *compute shaders*
@matthewmoulton1
@matthewmoulton1 21 день назад
This new language appears to be a higher level of abstraction than compute shaders and seems to be used for the CPU in addition to the GPU.
@pokefreak2112
@pokefreak2112 21 день назад
@@matthewmoulton1 Feel free to correct me if you're a GPU expert, but I don't think abstraction is a particularly good idea in this space. You're not going to be running complex business logic on the GPU. The logic you _do run_ should be as compact and optimized as possible. People literally minimize divisions and multiplies in GPU code, let alone memory reads or branches. If anything we should be making CPU langs look more like hlsl so we can actually make use of SIMD intrinsics without code looking ugly as sin
@matthewmoulton1
@matthewmoulton1 21 день назад
@@pokefreak2112 You are right- abstraction brings with it a number of inefficiencies. I was trying to point out how this new language is different from compute shaders, not necessarily claim that it would/should *replace* them. The fact of the matter is that the average programmer likes writing in as high-level of a language as possible. I think it is cool that Bend handles the parallelism internally, which hopefully should lead to higher multithreading and/or GPU utilization across the board. For situations where performance is critical (like rendering or neural net execution), we should probably stick with the lower-level tools available.
@2008uit123
@2008uit123 21 день назад
Should have used matrix's spoon bend as thumbnail and add mic hitting the floor sound at the end
@LittleBlue42
@LittleBlue42 17 дней назад
Time to learn it!!
@alexanderst.7993
@alexanderst.7993 21 день назад
"Two completely random numbers". Yeah i believe you :)
@rafaeldeleon3386
@rafaeldeleon3386 21 день назад
Here's another two completely random numbers if you don't like those: 80085 + 7175 Happy?
@zweitekonto9654
@zweitekonto9654 21 день назад
Holy shit how did i missed this joke
@artoriapd
@artoriapd 20 дней назад
​@@zweitekonto9654 same lmao 😂😂
@animatorslife9733
@animatorslife9733 20 дней назад
yeah, I believe him as well!
@okokisbsi
@okokisbsi 21 день назад
0 days without AI
21 день назад
zero day 😹
@ludologian
@ludologian 21 день назад
Lua programmers are getting insulted
@basspuppy133
@basspuppy133 18 дней назад
The way Bend works reminds me of recursive functions in functional programming languages like Haskell
@basspuppy133
@basspuppy133 18 дней назад
Nvm just got further into the video that's literally all it is lmao
@djthdinsessions
@djthdinsessions 17 дней назад
Note the shown python code will not do parallel computing at least in current versions with default configuration, because of the GIL
@RandomGamingDev
@RandomGamingDev 21 день назад
I mean, it sounds great and all, but at least right now, I don't see how this is going to be much better than the solutions we already have for running code on the GPU like compute shaders (OpenGL/OpenCL/CUDA) or a library like tensorflow or pytorch, and the multiple solutions for multiple threads and async/await in all the major programming languages, all of which already abstract away everything quite a lot. Trying to make hardware accelerated computing and general parallelism more accessible is great, but this is the sorta thing where you get into the nitty gritty bits of your algorithm's performance and with that explicit's almost always better than implicit especially with algorithms which require complex human thought and logic to optimize, something much harder to put in a compiler compared to say, the comparatively much more basic optimizations made by the C compiler, and when GPU cores can be easily compared to the CPUs of the yesterdecades: not exactly something you want something running high level code in an application worried about performance to this degree. So you end up left in a weird limbo where most applications are fine with a single thread, most of the few applications left that aren't delve into async/await and stay in the same language, and then the applications that really care about performance like simulations end up going with the more performant options mentioned previously that are already the industry standard anyways, and for good reason too. In my opinion, I love the project and its idea. It sounds great and I want it to succeed, but what I think it'll be great for and largely used for will probably be smaller scripts and data science computations and especially as an educational tool, but using it as something more than that, like to replace the industry standard solutions in an actual large project doesn't feel like it'd catch on nearly as much as just using the standard in the current tech landscape and most likely for years to come. Edit: Yes, this has promise for doing the things industry standard solutions can do and yes it abstracts a lot away which especially helps with things like race conditions (the industry standard solutions I listed also help significantly with that), but what I'm saying is that even then, most of the tasks are ones that are better off done with those industry standard solutions. Also, as for rj7259a's comment I doubt using a GPU for compilation say, for languages like C/C++ is a good idea at least in most cases.
@khlorghaal
@khlorghaal 20 дней назад
interaction combinators are extremely promising, its attainable in the near term
@rj7250a
@rj7250a 20 дней назад
You write serial code and it runs in parallel. That is the greatest invention in programming since subroutines. If you are not a average JS developer, you know how complicated it is to write parallel code, you will always need to deal with a deadlock or race condition, and they are non reproducible bugs, the worst kind of bug. (Heisenbug) There is software that could run on a GPU, but would be pratically impossible to be coded by humans, like a compiler.
@SimonBuchanNz
@SimonBuchanNz 20 дней назад
​@@rj7250ayou don't get that sort of bug in (safe) Rust. Deadlocks can happen, sure, but they're probably the easiest bug to diagnose, they're their own breakpoint. And what do you mean humans can't program GPUs? We've been doing that for decades? It's a little fiddly to shuffle data in and out, but honestly it's just not that bad.
@RandomGamingDev
@RandomGamingDev 20 дней назад
@@rj7250a Yes, I understand that writing parallel code is difficult, but not only are most applications fine with a single thread, but those that truly need the extra threads are oftentimes better off with the more industry standard solutions I previously listed. They already have the developers with the skills needed to utilize those libraries as well.
@saranshthukral4021
@saranshthukral4021 21 день назад
perfect name for a new "programming language"
@mintoo2cool
@mintoo2cool 19 дней назад
and here i was using a combination of psutils async and os module to manually parallelize my code in python when i should just have been folding and bending them all along in rust
@AtomicCodeX
@AtomicCodeX 21 день назад
I was literally talking about using the gpu for multithreading with a friend 2 days ago at work
@zilog1
@zilog1 21 день назад
Reminder: protogens go beep boop
@AlphaNeon
@AlphaNeon 21 день назад
Thank you
@atemoc
@atemoc 21 день назад
Very important reminder. Now it's time to make these reminders multithreaded.
@canaconn2388
@canaconn2388 20 дней назад
Until I run memz.exe
@GeneralKenobi69420
@GeneralKenobi69420 20 дней назад
ew a f*rry + who asked
@DevKumar-ci7eu
@DevKumar-ci7eu 21 день назад
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="81">1:21</a> wtf is that picture is that a devil . Chat is this real ?
@panda-_-dreamer2.030
@panda-_-dreamer2.030 21 день назад
Do not fuck around with the daemon, it will haunt your CPU forever looking for processes to keep alive
@bazookaman1353
@bazookaman1353 21 день назад
That's a 100% real photo, his name is Michael and he's a gentle giant.
@vrfrenzy8451
@vrfrenzy8451 18 дней назад
This totally *bends* my mind
@luuclucas
@luuclucas 18 дней назад
I was so confused when you show the image of a right fold on <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="185">3:05</a>, which is inherently sequential as you carry an intermediate result from the previous computation. You're looking for the fold with the tree structure.
@incognitoflamingo
@incognitoflamingo 21 день назад
GPU hackers incoming
@khlorghaal
@khlorghaal 20 дней назад
no different than webgl
@Vwcz
@Vwcz 21 день назад
So glad to see my experience from a semester of multiprocessor architecture is now obsolete.
@alababaju
@alababaju 21 день назад
Haha 😄 I think you're now expected to write Bendscript or whatever the next amazing parallel programming language is.
@archardor3392
@archardor3392 21 день назад
Nah, this will never pick up.
@purpledaddy6077
@purpledaddy6077 21 день назад
I think that would be pretty big for hardware health as well!
@meustrus7056
@meustrus7056 17 дней назад
Hrm. This bend thing is a neat concept. I feel like the syntax is too indirect though. I can think of a couple of ways to implement it as simply a generic function that takes a starting value and a function that takes the current value and a function to recurse. It's really cool as a built in language feature though as I'm sure it was much easier to implement.
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