Miners Strike | Police Tactics | Flying Pickets | Trade Union | TV Eye | 1984 

No Parking tickets to the Child rape gangs attending the Friday Prayers and a whole month of Ramadaan.

Police basterd

Robin Tankard, 👍.That’s tory ideology for you, divide & conquer, by the way, I see you have the cream of the intellectuals calling you lazy 😂.

John Buffalo I am 97 who is blaming foreigners ?

Internet trolls make me laugh. Not many coal mines in Hampshire, so not much of a connection with this. What would I know? I just have two degrees, a Masters with specialism in business and economics. I did vote Brexit despite having no issues with the immigrant population of the UK. Go figure...

Britain for the British turd-world out Lefty wankstain

@John Buffalo I am 97 Seems you didn't 'master' good grammar and punctuation as well. Would love to hear your definition of education if I don't qualify. I'll go and rejoin the plebeian horde.

A very different time , I saw things I had never seen before and never thought I would see in a so called free society. The government got it's own way eventually.

@@glpilpi6209 : yes, thankfully the government won and refused to make the taxpayer subsidise unprofitable mines.

The death of democracy .

@@shibuya3185 what about all the dole money the gov gave out !

@@tonycrossley2465 : Yeah, the lazy shits should have found another job! What about all the millions the government paid out to support loss making mines?

They did, they became more political and that is why it is now a broken system.

Go for the real criminals. Stop the petty bullshit.

My favourite is the RS2000

Yes lad

Very true. Not sure what model it had but it had black badges.

police were stupid - the escort couldn't; turn back as it was stopped on a dual carriageway

@@speedbird737 He could have took them pigs on a jolly jaunt..

Suspicion of preventing other people from going to work. He got arrested because instead of explaining himself he just said "...well you're just going to have to arrest me then." You can't expect officers to be mind readers.

Secondary or flying pickets had been outlawed by the Conservative government 18 months prior to this. He was arrested on suspicious of that offence. Stunningly draconian policing by today's standards.

@@rtankard : It's not draconian to want to prevent scum strikers from preventing people from going to work.

@@shibuya3185 Fuck you scab

The police were a disgrace throughout the 1980's from the toxeth and Brixton riots to the miners strike were they acted like the black and tans and then at hillsborough.

Neoliberalism

@Walk in the truth Always Oy Vey

yeah,for the worst

The country has I don’t know about life

It's changed for the better in some ways, and for the worst in other ways.

Indeed and it was down to the Police Brass like him that opened the floodgates. Now the Politicians treat them like crap.

@martin corderoy exactly right

gets all his pressure at his Lodge

Interesting comment.

Yep still relevant even now

This was part of a series. There were individual episodes looking at the different sides in turn.

I fully agree it pisses me off seeing working class Ex Labour vote for Tory or Reform.... but Labour are a party for the Middle Classes who despise working classes. Its fucking sad. Labour have potential, but Labour sold the Miners down the River. I respect Brown though he was a decent PM, just too close to the banks

Yes, certainly these days Canada is one of the most progressive countries in the world. Your mum certainly made a wise move. Canada is also stunningly beautiful (even if I do know more about drug treatment in the Lower East Side) Totally agree re universal basic income

Pits had a limited lifetime and yes they should have done it differently, just like oil and gas fields are soon to be exhausted damaging Aberdeenshires oil industry, the green solution isn't reliable and nuclear seems the only solution even though windscale/Sellafield still has waste there from 1955 that if you stood next to it for 5 minutes your 90% more likely to die of cancer 🤣

@Bessie Hillum uneconomical ,you have to dig deeper and with that comes diminished returns and higher costs , sirius mining capped off mallard well due to this and will be capping off 70 more under economic reasons 🤣, they are until you see decommissioning costs , even back bench torys said they'll block there roll out as its astronomical to reprocess spent fuel from hundreds off smrs

@Bessie Hillum oil industry investing in wind , I'm guessing even they don't believe in it , Shell being the number 1 invester in wind and solar

@@beewisebeestronger6224 the scabs in notts closed the industry

Reminds me of a certain quote

Michael Moran, 👍. Thatcher, Joseph, Tebbit, & co knew they would have to keep the cops happy, she awarded them a pay rise well above inflation a year before the strike took place, as well as stockpiling cheap coal from Poland. They planned this as a military attack on trade unionists, the NUM being the figurehead, one of the most sickening sights I’ve ever seen was the police waving their overtime bulging pay packets at miners on the picket line, what goes ‘round comes ‘round.

@@johnmoore9862 : It was well planned, thankfully. Thatcher was an efficient person. A credit to her country.

Shibuya, It was an attack on working people by a vicious spiteful hateful bastard, supported by people just like her.

@@johnmoore9862 : It was working people that the striking thugs were attacking. Scum, the lot of them. They even murdered a taxi driver taking a man to work.

And now we have working snowflakes who can't decide what gender we are, thankyou Mrs thatcher and mr Blair

That's why we become hardened criminals so that the system could never push us around agen we tried it there way time and time agen

The chief constable's Granada was made in Germany.

@@MajorKlanga I wouldn't be surprised if the arrested guys mk2 escort was made on the continent too

Mercedes W126 goes by at 3:50

@@sutherlandA1 more likely North West

@@Marklin15 respect! You had to fast.

@Bessie Hillum british industry , right I've worked you out, you'll sell out your soul let alone Britain because your alright jack, a true thatcher , Blairite who's perfidious nature means they have no friends , real friends that is , I only hope as you go on through life you learn aunt bessie.

@Bessie Hillum 🤣 great Britain ladys and gentlemen

@Bessie Hillum 🤣 great Britain ladys and gentlemen

@Bessie Hillum Coal industry was nowhere near going bust, that's your genuine 'Southern Ignorance' showing through but what do I know, I'm just a lowly commoner from 'the norf' that you would rather see die of hunger, drug abuse or plain poverty than spare even a single penny on. You disgust me.

The union under Scargil handled the strike badly, which caused bitter divisions within their own communities, that still exist today.

I remember being 25, driving home from Bristol to North Notts. being stopped at the border, boot searched for flying pickets, before I could get home. Have just watched the series Sherwood, and it brought it all back. Was a very sad time.

Oh yes utterly agree

Sorry to hear this story . The Police were just told what to do by Thatcher and had to obey their orders . I know of many officers who hated what they had to do that time , but could not go against the regime .

@@Mark64W ill second this as I've bean told by retired police officer involved in the 84/85 strike he didn't enjoy his job anymore

I guess you can not imagine what gestapo could do with man, my friend from Western World.

Thatcher was just a figurehead at the end of the day. The regime was basically using its power (through the police) and inflicting misery on countless numbers of working class families. The Stasi in East Germany was described as the "sword and shield of the Party". The police over here could be described as the "sword and shield of the Establishment".

That's just shows how much you have grown up Danny boy.no comment .

@@jackraddiks533 Care to elaborate please ? I find the initial comments totally correct , but willing to hear your side . Thanks , Mark .

This country has nothing left , just low paid job's to keep the tourists happy. Sad to see GB fall apart.

That's fine but the people of South Wales and other areas paid the full price, 20 + years trying to rebuild something from nothing, while people in the south east lapped up all the cream .

Arthur Scargill must carry a large part of the blame for that. He walked straight into Thatcher's trap. He sacrificed the miners just to indulge his own vanity.

Thatcher and Scargill , I don't know which one was worse. They both had one thing in common. Power.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_David_Wilkie I was a kid too, in Stoke - it really was a different world

Yes I think he was getting a taxi to work and they killed the taxi driver , it was thrown from a bridge..I remember it happening 💟

@@Roscoe.P.Coldchain that's right. It was one of those news stories that you see as a youngster where you are shocked by the footage of the incident, if any, but forget some of the details.

I remember that too🧐🇮🇪

I'm not sure if it was the David Wilkie incident. Which was tragic and disgusting. Was it the David Jones incident??

died in 1989 aged 58, reap what you sow Charlie boy.

Tony Blair finished the job in the 1990's with the massive importation of foreigners into Northern white working class communities to replace us with the Muslim voting block and such things.

Tried to? She did. Blair put the final nail in the coffin and Cameron may and bojo are pallbearers

The only good thing Thatcher did was die

AngliscSaxon I agree and millions with us x

Scott Wallace Sorry for that scott

I thought you had a 3 wheeled van and a capri ghia.

People were unhealthy in different ways - smoking and drinking was much more of a problem then. Worth pointing out that life expectancy was lower then. Many of these numbers may have looked slim here because of the manual work they did, but you can guarantee that a huge percentage of them will have died premature deaths because of the toll the work took on them.

Get a life

@Bessie Hillum it was made in 1984.

Deano14397 Labourites never change

Bye

@@brumav9779 shut up

Interesting comment

@Bessie Hillum Perhaps, but that shouldn't mean that everyday morality for the public is in any way comprised, and at who's command? the government's, because they say so, or members of the public?

@Bessie Hillum I'm afraid you are wrong to say that politics is a game or that is is about survival, because politics is based on choice, choice of the view point, of those who are in control at the time, and it is very real for those who feel the consequences dished out by those that are indeed responsible from the top. When someone is a police commissioner, or a high ranking officer, they are far from muddling through, and their handsome pay and pension, will clearly show this, and the police are both responsible and accountable for their actions, there can be no excuses, for genuine bad behavior, from any level of the police. Just because a certain number of people voted for the Conservative government at the time does not mean that others did not disagree, and it does not make those who are in control, in any way exempt, for the wrongs of the time, or the consequences thereafter. Also, if you think that a shameful attack on working people, their families, and their communities is a desired outcome, I certainly do not. To say that a high ranking policeman is simply a pawn is neither realistic, of the opinion or knowledge of the government and high ranking police officers, nor is that acceptable.

@Bessie Hillum Yes democracy is the most important factor, but it is not always as simple as that in terms of the constituency voting system. For example I believe in the 1951 general election, Labour received higher election votes per individual, but lost on the basis of constituency voting, hypothetically if there are 3 wealthy areas, which have a low population compared to 1 poorer area with a high population who have voted Labour, then naturally, the tories would win. Even if Thatcher's government won 3 elections, it does not mean that this was without serious problems, growing inequality and poverty, long term unemployment and regional unemployment, to name but a few. As for Cressida Dick and the condition of the police force, the spending cuts as dished out by the David Cameron and George Osborne government, has done a lot of damage to the police force as a whole, not to mention, that issues like sexism have arguably not been resolved enough in the past.

@Bessie Hillum Thatcher and her government's policies and attitude to unemployment, was too harsh for too long, too many individuals and families were pushed over the poverty barrier. In the 1990's Major's government paid the price, for the policies and outcomes from the 1980's, by being unable to convince, the public that a conservative government could lead Britain into the 21st century. I'm not sure, if 1980's Britain can necessarily be described as high gear. Yes, the financial sector of London, was a boom area, but even at its best, Thatcher's government has often been described, as a boom and bust economy. Also, Thatcher was fortunate, that in the 1980's, there was the scope for change, i.e. re-development such as Canary Wharf in London, but many would argue that this redevelopment of our society and economy, would come at a price i.e. Division. Consumerism, was also another opportunity of the time, not just in all the products, that were invented or became commonplace at the time, but the continuous building, of shopping center's, supermarkets, and although I like them personally leisure center's. Thatcher's government also deregulated many of the rules, within the banking industry, making it easier for people to get loans and credit cards, arguably not for the best i.e. spiraling personal debt. One of the main reason's why the conservative government of the present, is having so much difficulty now, is because many of the opportunities of the past, such as mass development or consumerism, have been over-done, and the current government is finding it, very difficult, to look for a new direction. I think that more lives were ruined during 1980's Britain, not just because of the polices that Thatcher's government used, but also because of the social consequences of these policies, such as crime, decay and depression, in the lives and areas, that suffered the worst or full effects, of these often punitive policies. I personally, have always supported the inclusion of women, particularly in the police force. Crimes can often be sensitive and personal, it is vital, there are enough women within the police force, both statistically and visibly, so that female victims of crime, feel represented or more comfortable, when they need to report a crime. I also support, women in the decision making process, and this power or responsibility, should be shared with men, not exclusive to men. The only time, that I wouldn't want women to actively serve, on the front line, is if their personal safety, were to be compromised or endangered.

To true It was more wide spread than you think You could spot them easy I'll fitting uniforms Numbers on the shoulder missing Highly polished boots The real give away Always waited for orders before making s move Typical squadies Trained to act on orders

Really? When did we abolish the monarchy and start growing bananas?

Great story , thank you . I could never have been a miner because I just wasn't tough enough but friendship , loyalty and comradeship money will never buy . The miners of Britain created the Industrial Revolution in the 1800's and held us all together through two World Wars . Then totally pissed on by Margaret Thatcher . ' The Enemy Within ' ? I don't think so .

Martin cowley agree we never trusted the police even now ,we had my 6oth at a pub and my granddaughter brought her new boyfriend he was asked what he did said he was a police officer, well you could cut silence with a knife thing is he'd not told my granddaughter so she told him to f off

Who wants to suffer in a mine, you joke

They rarely deserve it. Most are little more than uniformed right wing thugs. And not very bright either.

JCBAirmaster73 I’m a working class boy grew up in a block of flats with a single mum. Now I own my own business and employ 12 people and own 2 houses. It’s hard work and ambition that drives you on not sat around blaming others for your predicament.

@@billybellend1155. Bullshit, you are always posting on here, if you had your own business, you would not be on here 12 hours a day.

The miners fought the police and the law lost

That's because many of the law were not law but army

@Bessie Hillum no progress is moving forward, thatcher brought the country to stop, then we went back the way, lost industry, lost jobs, lost livelihoods, defently not progress

@Bessie Hillum do you genuinely think thatcher brought progress to Britain? You really think she took us forward? Where are you from? It’s certainly not a pit town in Scotland, or any industrial area in any part of Britain, or perhaps you’re not working class,

She stopped the scum, damn right

Thatcher did the UK a favour by standing up to the striking scumbags.

Yeah, standing up for their rights, complete scum

@Bessie Hillum amazing how I'm reading through these posts and you've always got your tuppence worth sticking up for that dog. She was a rat and like all the rest of the tories, just, sheer, utter scum. Everyone of them has f?cked this country and now thanks to them were nearly on our knees.

@Bessie Hillum I disagree, there has to be some belief in someone, somewhere, the miners strike, was and is such a negative, destructive and unnecessary situation, engineered by the Conservative government of the time. Maybe the miners did become pawns, but that was in the governments cruel game.

@Bessie Hillum To be honest I didn't actually introduce the word socialism at all, but if socialism as you have described it is such a horrible game, then it was by no accident that in the 1980's, that our politics became so. The welfare state that re-built this country after the second world war, gave housing, schools and hospitals to the public like never before, and even in this day and age now, many of us still rely on these institutions, even if under the Conservative governments of the last 40 years, there have been many cuts or changes, such as privatization. I'm afraid its not just the Trains and Post Office, who are on strike, it is also potentially key workers such as Nurses, it is not the unions, that are to blame, as the strike is voted for by the members themselves, it is the employee's decision to strike, if they are unhappy. Clearly privatizing both the Trains and the Post Office has not worked, as both have been on strike recently and potentially will do so again. Also, I believe some of the airline staff, have also either considered or activated strike action, so suggest-ably , it can be even private firms that can strike as well, and I am sure that many others would go on strike, if they had the choice. It is not just a case of people losing their minds, but their identity and livelihoods, to support themselves, their families and their community.

@Bessie Hillum I am genuinely sorry, if you feel, I was putting words into your mouth, but I believe I was simply refuting what was said. I did not mean to cause any personal offence, but I also believe, it is important to say what I believe and think, whether that is supported or conflicted by the majority. To be fair, we still rely on the council properties as built between 1945 and 1979 today, even if many of them are now owned by private landlords, charging sky high prices, to once affordable homes, and compared to the housing for many people before the Second World War, the many council properties built were a vast improvement. Your assumption that anyone who lives in a council property, would always look to buy a property is in my opinion inaccurate, there are many advantages of not owning your property, such as any repairs or improvements, are the responsibility of the council or local authority. Also, if you want to move, it is your responsibility to do this completely, where as you can move from one property to another, much easier if in the council system. The education system has more issues than just performance, but arguably, with GCSE results improving on a sometimes yearly basis, there must be some positives within the comprehensive school system. Personally, I am more concerned with issues like overcrowding, bullying, mental health and good behavior My approach to both the Postal Service and the Trains is certainly not blind, as I either rely on them or have use/d them regularly. The issues, with privatization (the z as offered to avoid the red underline), are related to service for the customers, the quality of job security and pay, for the employees. As for competiveness, my household is reliant on both the Royal Mail and the Trains, if we were to travel this way, so the strikes are effective. Naturally, there has to be a certain amount of reason on both sides but the strikes have to be effective, otherwise the situation becomes one of hot air or powerlessness, for the employees striking.

@Bessie Hillum Sorry, that I haven't replied sooner, but this is the first time, that I have read your comments from September. If ownership is in reference to home ownership, it is more of a case of position, rather than just self-determination, you have to be able to afford a mortgage, and have a decent enough job, or career, to fulfill that. That is why in the past, home ownership was offered more to middle class people, as their homes are generally less likely to be repossessed by the mortgage lender, because often they are more likely to have the finances, or access to finances to cover any problems. Firstly, I would argue that bullying is not easy to resolve, as it can be complex and personal, and if the school environment, is dysfunctional, or has many problems, it is often not resolved, my own experiences, and also what I have seen, included. Selectiveness, within schools and between different schools may be an issue, but it is by no means fair or simple. Depending on the kind of background, or area, where the pupils come from, the schools are often unequipped, to deal with these issues, if the society was more fair and equal to start with, children who are born into poorer areas, would be more likely to have a better attitude and behavior. In early and mid 1990's Britain, (Thatcher and Major's Britain) bullying, extremely bad and threatening behavior, as well violent attacks on teachers all increased, making the learning environment, more unsafe and more unproductive. New Labour tried to re-address this problem, with sure start centres, which do their best with bad circumstances. The fact that a now private company, like BT would even consider going on strike, let alone do it, is the real issue, the employees are clearly not happy, and the management, must have been unable to talk them out of it. Arguably, the issues, in many workplaces, have been building, for some time, and over that time have not been resolved. To be honest, I don't and can't drive, and when reliable, I actually prefer to use public transport. As for the post, I still believe, like public transport, that it is a public service, and therefor important for all.

You're a sissy boot locker in disguise

They had reason to suspect that they were going to commit an offence. A few miners crammed into a car weren't going for a picnic.

@@bendover9411 how do you figure that? Did you actually read my comment?

@@jackmatthew1880 picketing isn't an offence

@@chriswilson8062 Causing a breach of the peace is.

Dead ? This was in 1984, do your math, most of them are still alive

@@psychopoison I know, mad isn't it. It seems like only yesterday.

Are you alive?

I believe Scargil is still alive, but thankfully Thatcher has gone to meet her demons👀👀😂

@@tonybeards9153 you know what they say, Thatcher was to burn in hell.....but she'd closed all the furnaces down!!!!!

By where

to the picket lines. if they really wanted to