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Fight him in the Tomcat, but you have to kill him by getting underneath him and getting Jester so scared he ejects right into the bottom of Ate's plane.
If at least a small number of countries, but it seems to me that it turns out to be a lot - to give up aggressive goods to Chinese and Russian manufacturers - it would result in huge problems, which would be the greatest non-violent act .... 👍👍👍
A real Mirage 2000 pilot said in an interview that the hardest aircraft to beat out of the Hornet, Super Hornet and F16 is by far the F16. But he won against all of them... But you have to adapt to the aircraft you're fighting.
Haha, Thanks for having me ! It's much more fun to dogfight you than the AI! (even if I challenge you guys to the 1v6 challenge... ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-FwWHEZWzJrA.html ) Fly safe!
very cool you showed up to share your knowledge - the tac view move is wild! I'm just a yankee civvie. and a peacenik lol -- but dcs is fascinating -- i subd yr channel -- hope you keep on - Thank you for the statue of liberty too lol
The commentary over the video is top notch, it gives a inexperienced DCS pilot a little insight on whats going on in the Dogfight, Great Job once again man!
GS, to put it clear and loud: We want to see you fight with ATE with ALL the available birds and possible scenarios, AND we want him to lead you in some realistic attack missions coop. Everyday. And nights. Clear enough? :-P
Anyone notice that really professional final move. He finishes the fight and kills GS' Hornet. He immediately snaps wings level and starts a smooth exit climb
Hey that is what I would have done too. I mean at that point you are to plan for a nice ride back to home plate or your mission, and then your enemy is mistakes and fuel economy. And I also think you would like a comfy exit after that too :D
That's exactly what I was thinking too. I was like oh man, you really don't value your life! Lmao I was really impressed at how long GS lasted though. Imagine if they had a Rafale. That would be so awesome and also scary to watch Ate do his thing. Lol
@@Duderino27 ATE Chuet is a very impressive guy, on his youtube channel, he tells about many things, not only plane fights, but also accidents. He is very skilled in a fighters but he also know a lot of things in this field
These rounds do not have any penetration capabilities, they explode on impact but carry as much explosive as a grenade basically... If youre not staying near a wall, you should be fine :D
Great video! Hats off to you for having the courage, and humility to make videos like this. Too many content creators falsely believe that losing to a real pilot, like this, will damage their brand. I disagree. For one, you do show amazing skill, even when you lose. This guy would kill me in 2 seconds. You have shot him down in two videos, even if it is clear he is a better pilot. He has the benefit of being trained by experts...lot's of training and debriefing by experts...until he too became an expert. The fact that you win some, and always make it a challenge for him, shows that you have learned some skill also. Flying against guys like Ate, will only make you better. And anyone with a brain will respect you for doing these fights.
Loving these fights with ATE, but I'd also love to hear you two chatting during the fight stirring each other a bit and having some banter, but also some technique discussions in real time :)
‘The mirage is often seen as weaker’ Each jet has its own strengths A good pilot would get the enemy into a situation where they are able to use their strengths and avoid the enemy’s strengths Fascinating to watch actual pilots do combat. Maybe get c w leimone to fly an 18 and ate to fly the mirage and get them to fight see what happens
in another interview até said something like "oh typhoons, they like to fly high and fast, we like to sneak low and spook them" as far as i followed news, the rafale had been beaten only once by the typhoon during exercises despite the typhoon being more of an interceptor and overall better on the paper for air to air. it was a two seater piloted by an air to ground crew. doctrines....
@Calamity he (até) explained in a video that the ceiling is a pilot equipment issue "past that altitude your blood start boiling so you better stay below in peace time in case of pressurisation issue" if you equip the pilot with a pressurised suit like it was done since cold war its not a problem any more. BTW the ceiling according to dassault data sheet says 50k feet, which mean there wouldn't be a need for giving instruction to pilot regarding blood boiling since blood start boiling around 65k feet so the plane would never reach a dangerous altitude. 50k is an arbitrary safety limit for peace time. the actual ceiling i would like to know about is when engines can't run any more or not well enough to surpass drag limiting speed which mean limiting the lift that can be generated in thin air. curious about what stops the plane first. simulators put the engine out but how it is irl?
Looks like what he did was somehow transfer a lot of his forward velocity to the back which slid the tail out and made the plane pivot around its CoM. In other words, he literally drifted that airplane going 300mph.
Hey Até is back, in the mirage this time !!! Even if he still don't know how to use the radar lock for the guns 😁 Edit: it seem he's find how to use radar 😄
@@Duderino27 So is issue is that he doesn't have a proper HOTAS to use the weapon system to its full extent. His point is more about BFM than weapon system. He is a B737 Max pilot recovering from medical issue in the middle of COVID-19 crisis. So I can understand he isn't investing a lot of money on expensive gaming hardware. But 1 Vs 1 virtual fight are performed in sterile environments. You can fight until fuel burn out if you want. IRL, you want to kill ASAP because otherwise you can be surprised anytime by a second enemy fighter coming in. If you need 5 minutes it's waaaaay too long.
Can we get a rematch, mirage vs viper. Question for ATE, What does he think on russian Sukhoi fighter lines, what would his approach be in a Rafale in both BVR and close in dogfight.
@@Duderino27 its really not classified, they are pretty open. The only ones really classified is gen5. And i wasn't asking for his numbers i was asking for his opinion on tactics. What we he do? I asked him for his opinion on aircraft because incase you missed the last one the man, helped design and sell air craft and gave lectures on flying, combat and has flown for both Canada and France, his knowledge on different tactics has to be vast. And my questions were for ATE, unless you are a pilot, im sorry but your opinion was not asked for?
@@Duderino27 the range of radars, and missle flight times and g tolerance aren't classifed any more. They are pretty out in the open. The AIM9X vs the R73 Then there is the AIM120 vs the R77. You can look them up anywhere.
"If you want the real fighter experience, do a workout first and then play DCS." -Ate in the last video. Not to make things harder for GS but I vote for the Viper fight but let's up the ante and have you guys both put in a workout before you fly!
9:56 - "what is that? That looked very important" After a couple rewinds, you can see your right wing loses its aileron. No big deal, I'm sure you'll be fine with the one on the other wing. :P
Thanks guys for a great dogfight, the Mirage is such dangerous weapon when used correctly. ATE, amazing manoeuvre, Growling thanks for sharing really informative, learned a lot about from that. Love to see more. 😊
That move that ATE uses to point the nose at GSW is fantastic! Using innate airframe flight characteristics and instability to his advantage like that reminds me of how Jimi hendrix used interference etc as part of his music, or like flat-plating the bird in an f86 sabre to get a reversal... Just some masterful experience you'd only know from flying the real thing and learning from experienced instructors etc.
I noticed Ate deftly tracking his nose on you with yaw at one point and I think yaw was a key component in that beautiful rolling redirect maneuver. I think yaw control is a weakness for many pilots; would Ate agree that this is an essential skill component that deserves some attention? Love this video! Definitely want to see a Viper fight as well as BVR with Ate if possible!
Stumbled onto these vids somehow, and absolutely love the way you present it. And then to have a real pilot on is very eye opening; the speed at which he adapted (I guess in real life if you don't adapt very fast then you are dead.).
Loved it! The difference is stark. I have watched so many of your other vids, but the REAL fighter pilot was clearly more aggressive at every opportunity. Virtual dogfighters tend to approach the fight with a "Long game" attitude that wouldn't survive for seconds versus the top guns. Thanks for sharing.
i don't play flightsims let alone such complex ones and know next to nothing about aviation. and yet i find this absolutely mesmerizing to watch. awesome work!:)
19:15 That flip is just pro level shit. I am guessing here but.. looks like he compresses the wing then uses the fact that air is compressed at the back where authority is, to then rotate, knowing that the compressed air will make it rotate faster but at the same time he does negative G such that he de-compresses the front of the wing and causes the nose to regain nose authority. Almost feels like the little trick you do on WW2 fighters with rudder but adapted to delta wing. Any idea what it is called?
@@behindthen0thing Look at the footage closely, it looks like the plane quite glitch when he goes upside down but in reality it doesn't. I'll explain point by point : -He start pulling the stick so he stays above GS gunsight. But when he does that, aerodynamically, air compresses a lot on the back of the wing (this is the white smoke you see when they turn) so the plain becomes some what less maneuverable (I won't explain further, you'll need drawings). -He decides to go back on his target (GS) so he turn upside down. But it almost looks like he roll to quickly so he would not be in a good position to keep an offensive position. So when he is upside down he push the stick, so the noes goes down (from his perspective). -The air that was compressed on the back of the wing gets decompressed (it compress when you pull, so decompress when you push, kind of logical). But as I said, if you loose maneuverability when air is compressed, you'll gain when it decompress, so that allows him to go on a REALLY sharp turn to get on the back of his opponent. -you'll see when he does that that the beginning of the turn is really sharp and then it turns to kind of a long turn, because then air recompress and he loose some maneuverability. I can only guess that this happen because he is used to the Raphale which performs better in turning. Any question ?
That maneuver he pulled at the top of the spiral was brilliant. Used the delta as an airbrake to make that 180, then rolled over (I think this was for momentum making the second roll) and jammed in rudder to get his nose around. Such a brilliant maneuver to try and get onto your six. Great fighting and interview. Love your post fight analysis. Wonder if the Hornet could even attempt that maneuver? Might be worth practicing just to see if it gives you any kind of edge or allows for opening other options in a fight
Absolutely loved the vid and especially love the interview afterwards. Thanks to both yourself and Ate for doing this. Of the countless vids that I have watched these past two vids have to be the best imo.
Day 5. Still watching in awe the "roll to drift"maneuver that Ate did. 19:10 First time I saw it I was like "Whhhat? Do this guy know how to turn M2k into a thrust vectored bird?" This is one of the most impressive things I ever saw in DCS, just can't get enough of it! And thank GS for bringing us such a high quality content! Keep working bro!
This is some incredible insight. Thank you for putting in the work in interviewing Ate, and editing the video; and sharing this with us! That was super cool.
GS: "I'm not very good in the MIrage, although I do have more hours in DCS" 🤣🤣 Loved this, you say absolute gold sometimes dude. Seems like Ate is even more aggressive than last time. Yes to F16s, its like a holy trinity, unless you also do F15s as well?? (Also the kill music makes me laugh every time hehe, just seems so fitting but also wrong at the same time)
That photo of Ate in his Rafale cockpit, is that with a Royal Netherlands Air Force (RNLAF) F-16AM of 323 squadron (TACTESS, goddess Diana on the tail)? If so, did ATE (Atè, bless you) did DACT against them and could he tell us how the upgraded block 15 F-16AM/BM do against Rafale compared to more modern and powerful block 40+ F-16s?
I'd be interested in that too. Although I bet nowaday DATC RoE are hugely favorising latest tactics and equipment. But if conducted as in the 90's, F-16 A variants should be tougher oponents than their fat modern counterparts.
Amazing video as always. As you can see ate isn't really used to the sight but once he gets proficient he'll be the killer. By the way what's the name of the classical song that you use during the first kill cam slow mo ?
Bro your Mirage took a single hit to the wing, it remained intact, yet you still died. DCS is awesome but my one complaint is their damage models and how damage is handled.
I think you should quit dissing yourself so much. In the two confrontations you’ve had, you certainly have held up your end. He is better than you, but not by that much.
Man I love your channel, so entertaining. Big thanks for the many great hours shared and noumerous funny moments. I had a good laugh today. :D Greatings to Até too, thank you for serving.
🤣 "oh no, oh no!! What is that, that looked very important!" That is funny shit man, I just just a fucked day at work and that made my day so cheers man. Dude, some more vids like this please. Bit like a mini doc DCS style. Real good video man cheers. Just so you know , I liked the look of the F-18 you got dead.
Just look at the way he manipulates the mechanical properties of the delta wing airframe. It's mesmerizing as all hell. I could watch him dog fight all day.
Really great vid, thanks GS. Like some others commented, a tac-view debrief with ATé would also be great. [the trick with his call sign "ATé" is coming from the expression we give to someone sneezing. In English: sneeze -> "bless you!" ; in French: sneeze -> "à tes souhaits!" which translates literally into "to your wishes" (don't ask why we say that..). this expression sounds like: [ Ah-té-sueway ] ; and as he explained, his family name being CHUET, it sounds a bit like "souhait" , so his squadron gave him the "ATE": "ATE-CHUET" ~ "à tes souhait" ].. ^^
Very nice video once again. Those Callsign stories were so hilarious. Everytime i tried to guess where those nicknames came from, i've been so far from truth ! 😄
04:44 Unlike 99% of DCS dogfight videos this here actually looks like what I saw in the sky as a kid when I lived in a fighter training area except the planes were F-18's and they were turning tighter.
Once your experience advantage with DCS equals out, I expect he'll be taking your wings off more oft than not. Much appreciate you setting all this up, was a pleasure to watch.
He shot off the F-18 aileron I think, as the flaps are usually closer to fuselage. But the F-18 still seems to bank fine into next turn. To be fair, I wasn’t piloting the aircraft, just assumed as GS didn’t mention poor handling.
Man these yours videos against this french pilot are amazing. They're so exciting... Would it be possible for you to make a video with the F-5E Tiger II? Greetings from Brazil!!!
GS your channel is the best in DCS amazing content. ATE really shows his chops being a real Rafael pilot you know your stuff for being comp jock, but ATE is obviously on another level. Id like to see you fight him in viper vs viper fight would be interesting
I would love that although I'm pretty sure C.W. Lemoine vowed not to show any dogfighting techniques against non AI opponents. Apart from the one time he did dogfight a hornet pilot friend of his.
I bet Ate is suffering with the lack of realism on the rudders. At the first fight you can see in his perspective the rudder work to get the kill. It was like "just a little more, a liiiiittle more... F*ck, too much!".
Don't ask if we want to see him to fly a plane. We want him to fly ALL the planes. I see that the "wagnermobile" transformed into a lego toy that it loses parts
One thing I have noticed in the tac view is that ATE seems to be pulling lower Gs most of the time. Is that an error from the game or is it due to his pilot skill ? Is it because he is offensive most of the time and manage to create that "control buffer" ? It might be irrelevant and I am not too sure but would be interested to have your opinion on this as he is very aggressive trying to reduce that time to kill yet he seems to manage to do so pulling lower Gs. Very interesting content from both of you guys!
I recently ran across a story about wargames in 1977 between USN F14’s and RAAF Mirage 111O’s where the local delta jets were besting the swing wings. Seems unlikely by all current received wisdom but if anyone knows more . . . 🇦🇺
Well Tomcat wise, there is a guy called VHS that have invested shit ton of time in that F14, I do wonder how he would go against ATE in that Cat. He doesn't care about airspeed when he flies, the plane gives him cues that tells him how he is doing and he is flying it all analogue, insane to watch, but also a necessity as you can't look at the airspeed gauge easily.
@@Duderino27 I disagree a bit. ATE is really struggling with the gun aiming in DCS, I feel GS is more comfortable in those fights, but maybe too contemplative of his opponent so he get passively brung into unfavorable situations.
Hi Buddy ! I must tell you got yourself excellent Pilot and keep him coming to your videos we learn lots of good Stuff from Ate'. Thanks for Excellent video............. Wes from NJ.
Quite frightening to see actually.. his position didnt really matter, you could always see the nose starting to point towards you. Really cool, he definately made that mirage dance
