Not a trucker, just enjoy the videos. I think Kenworth has the best approach to this, at least in the short term and to get more people to adopt the technology. Having the standard mirrors as well makes for a good backup if the digital ones fail.
I prefer for my mirrors to not be able to have a technical error and stop working LOL however I do like the idea of better visibility when backing up and also the ability to actively monitor blind spots
My biggest concern is the latency, I.e. how long it takes the image to update. And noticeable time lag as compared to a conventional mirror which has zero latency would be dangerous. Beyond that, I think mirrorcams offer many advantages.
Latency will be in the milliseconds... Even cheap screens and cameras are nowadays less than 10ms... For comparison the latency between your eyes and your brain is about 120 milliseconds My biggest concern would be hardware or software failure and the possible difficulty to get it repaired out on the road especially in rural areas...
This is just another ‘reinvention’ of the wheel. If something in the cameras system fails, you’re stuck. If a mirror breaks you still have mirrors. Why mess with a perfectly good idea that got it right first time.
I have had a Mercedes Actros for 2 years took a couple days to get used to it advantages are you don't have to look as far away from the road and you don't have to adjust positions when cornering disadvantages 1 drop of water you can't see anything and if the sun is directly behind all you have is a blank screen
Digital mirrors are great for the full view field of vision they give. One thing about regular mirrors is what you see is a reflection so when looking forward, your eyes are focused far away and when you look at the mirror, your eyes are already focused for far away. With digital mirrors, you are looking at a screen. Your eyes focus on the road and then on the screen, then back on the road... back and forth. That would be very tiresome for certain people who wear glasses and have very long trips to drive. Having both mirrors and digital screens would be the best of both worlds. Great video. Regards - Mike
They look like a good idea on the face of it. I don't see why spare bolt-on mirrors couldn't be stowed on a truck for emergencies, in the same way you carry a jack or wheelbrace. Or spare susies. Or gloves. Or fuses. Or...
Thing with a mirror is you can move your head and body to get a wider view of the surrounding area, but with a camera doesn't matter how much you stretch to see more the screen is only ever going to show the same area, this seems like a massive flaw to me!!
the most important advantage of the mirrorcam system is that it practically eliminates the blind spot behind the mirror, by placing the screen in front of the A-pillar
I almost ran over 2 teenage girls because their walking speed matched my A pillar location and my driving speed. If I didn’t have a passenger to tell me to stop I would of ran them both over and I was accelerating when I was told to stop the car. I truly don’t see how cam mirrors eliminates blind spots. Because my A pillar was my blind spot. Not my mirror. So how is it an advantage.
@@lsrpm1000 True it won't remove car blind spot as car mirrors are relatively small. However in case of lorries where the mirrors are often the size of a-pillar the cam mirrors do remove quite large blind spot
That is a positive but coming up to any intersection a move my head back and forward to clear this gap, as I nearly took out a car at a roundabout while learning to drive a truck.
There should be also ordinary mirrors aswell. The old mirrors are a good supplement to the mirror cams, once they have a failure, you'll be glad to have 'em.
I dont drive truck's IRL, but I do play ETS2, and In my opinion, some of the mirrors take up alot of side vision, which creates a blind spot. The mirror cams stop that, which is good, but theyll be expensive to replace if they break
This is exactly what also really helps IRL. It massively reduces the blind spot and increases your visibility. The wider pillars you create with placing the screens there is still a way smaller area compared to the mirror you’d have in your face. Additionally mirror cams can make for a better view at night. When pulling trailers the wider view you can have in turns and while reversing really is a benefit.
Hmmm i do find eliminating the mirror blind spot to be quite big. More so when it comes to stopping at lights. It's nice to see these arn't flat out replacing regular mirrors but are an option.
@@jagbarakor1303 30 years ago, yes. Nowadays with the heating, the electric adjustments, the sensors and integrated indicators make it just as bad as cameras. In price and working time.
@@ekzmyk I personally haven't noticed with the DAF ,they do get take a while to get used to and yes the monitors are big I don't know if dafs wraparound screen helps
I believe so. It will soon become a requirement in heavy trucks so that images captured can be integrated in vehicles system and help in cornering, braking and accidents avoidance
I drive at night. My concern would be how bright these screens are. I drove a 2022 Kenworth T680 that had a camera on the passenger side hood mirror, and whenever you put on the right turn signal, the camera view would display on my ELD screen. I had to put a hat over my ELD so the screen wouldn't blind me every time I had to use my right turn signal. I usually drive an older model T680, but my truck was in the shop. So happy to have it back, and I hope I never have to deal with that stupid mirror camera again.
Biggest complaint I've heard is the stalks are easy to forget about especially if you're job involves lots of rural driving close to high hedges or trees. Also I know for a fact there'd be some idiots who'd carry on driving if one developed a fault and lost visibility, at least if someone's driving with a missing mirror you know about it and the police/road enforcement can see and pull them over.
I'm sorry but mirror cams look like a dog with no ears. You can spend all the money you want on customising the truck but if it doesn't have mirrors it ain't a real truck!!! "Just my opinion"
Total garbage , if you were reading glasses they will worsen your eyesight, no depth perception whatsoever, terrible in heavy rain , the fps doesn’t like led lights of other vehicles , I’ve had them for 2 years absolute rubbish , 37yrs experience.
We used to have a chalk board at school, nowadays teachers use a large touchscreen. We used to write in notebooks with ink, now we type messages. The new future is that mirrors will be replaced by cameras. This is a process of our modern life.
Your comment are plausible. I disagree the part of chalk board->large touch screen. It doesn’t look exist and it straight out from the sci fi. Today, I only see that teachers are just still using blackboard/“green board”, white board and sometimes just use a projector, not a touch screen or hologram. As for the notebook w/ ink -> messages, IDK what you mean (is that taking notes or just writing a letter?). Yeah, times are going forward and things are changing. Majority of the people will be great because everything are much more easier and less jobs than ever before (sometimes too lazy. But for me, being an older Gen Z, sometimes the modern times/the future can be great and sucks/at the same time. Even there is a great technology and “better” social life, it sucks for me because I have any plans for my life I wanted (like owning a classic car, having a modification on my late-uncle’s car, travelling a place that I wanted, etc.), it wouldn’t possible because of changes and even worse: fully automation. My suppose ‘fun’ experience might be gone due to that automation. Yep, majority of you will be happy for the new automation and much better tech, but some people like me, who adored primitive or mixed of primitive & modern touch, are not. And that’s my reaction of your comment and my thoughts.
@@eduardgenardandalis1437 As a Gen Dino (1958) I'm hearing you, you are right, choker use on a cold engine, adjusting platins every so often, clutch and stickshift and so on 😁😁
@@sidewind131258 Yep. I’m also a part of the older Gen Z, I really like both old and new things, or mix them both. It gives me best of both worlds (the classic sounds and feel of the old & the modern touch & some latest things in the new).
i tried it and i hate it. they just move your blindspot from where the mirrors would have been to the A Pillar and also youre absolutely blind when its dark outside. and the screens are totally blurry so you cant manouver properly
How to brighter the mirrors screen? When it’s dark it’s very hard to see and I’m sure there must be an option to brighten the mirrors vision inside. Anyone knows on DAF Xg?
"Provide the best possible view for the driver. And prevent the blind spot ordinary mirrors have" and then at 2:31 the cyclist dissapear in . . . a blind spot 🤣🤣
It’s just one more piece of electronic to go wrong. Stop falling for these innovative new ideas. Because they want you think it’s better than traditional counterparts. Everyone can replace a regular glass mirror. But only trained technicians can change these new electronic mirrors. They’re slowly making you completely dependent on THEM for any car maintenance by saying it’s the best next thing. Eventually these car will be so high tech no one will be able to fix their own car because of specialized tech to deal with these new “innovative” piece of electronic. In the end we will have no choice but to paying whatever they ask for fixing these high tech vehicles. Don’t be a blind sheep.
it's around for years now and I guess it kind of has proven itself; Even car manufacturers come up with mirror cams by now. Come on ... in todays world, even the "normal" mirror is quite a bit more than just a piece of glass mirror covered with some plastic on the other side; They are heated, tilting, have blind spot warning systems etc
@@sidewind131258 If I had a 3 decades old car, then yes, I might be able to replace them myself, but on a modern vehicle, me not being deep into car tech, would definetly not be able to replace a side mirror
@@EnjoyFirefighting Fair enough, I just changed 2 mirrors, on a Renault Master (easy peasy) and a Ford Transit (took 7 minuttes because I couldn't find where I had to pull the mirror and had to look it up on youtube 🙂
I see they have more pros than cons, than I thought, however still there is one more thing you didnt mention- yes, they might spare some fuel because of aerodynamics, but they require electricity from alternator, means more fuel used. And now, its more or less then?
My company had a dozen Mercedes with them fitted , nothing but hassle , constant errors and stranding the trucks, we failed alot of delivery targets and cost us a fortune in fines from the customers There a nightmare in the rain at night , you can't see someone flash you in them They create a massive blind spot on the a pillar and there placed on the grab handle which is where your hands are ment to go Drivers complained of headaches from them flickering at night aswel . We sold them all after a year You also use your mirrors to judge the width of the truck , cant do that with these So it's a big no from me Same as the autos gearbox But the manufacturers will put them as standard equipment and you'll have no choice
Mercedes says the Mirror cam be standard equitment, due to malfunction of these mirror cams im afraid the Mercedes will go down hill. MAN's OptiView seems much more reliable and better than Mercedes Benz.
What about depth perception. We can see 3 dimensional with our 2 eyes through regular mirror but the camera has only 1 eye. Also, when manouvering close to walls, entering a ferry eg., I use the mirrors to make sure about the distances next to the cabinet.
The screen opposite side of the cab ok the closest to you na gives me a headache and a few of the other drivers in our yard find the same spot not just me .
I seem to remember having either heard this info on the french highway system`s official radio station, or read it on their website, but apparantly mirror cams will be mandatory in europe within the next few years (by 2024, I think it was...)
That won't happen, it might be a requirement on new trucks, but not on existent trucks, or France will have a severe shortage of trucks to deliver cargo
@@sidewind131258 I forgot to specify that it would be a law for new vehicles sold after 2024, didn`t I... Well to be fair, it was kind of implied, since new emissions and safety standards generally aren`t retroactive, though admitedly a few (safety related standards) do come to mind that have been retroactive...
One down side is the screens in the cab. They're distracting especially at night and create blind spots and as your eyes can only process so much information at any given time, there are obvious issues to consider.
I have been driving a Actros for the past 2 years with these mirrorcams and I hate them. In the rain all I can see is water bobbles which can and does completely obscure the vision. I drive at night and the camera is very grainy, couple this with the rain and it's ridiculously dangerous. Also I have had complete failure of these mirrors too. Give me conventional mirrors anytime.
These mirrors should record and safe for insurance purposes especially when stupid people brake check or other wise cut trucks off recording would work both ways when truck driver messes up we all human make mistakes hopefully this would reduce them
An operator in Australia got 50+ prime movers to swap out the cameras for mirrors at their own expense based on operators experience. 1 big problem with cameras for the operator is they forget the stalks are stick out and are vulnerable. Forgetting the screens are in the cab. But I do like the fact that the camera can chase the end of trailer.
I never used to like them but after using them for sometime they are great, can follow trailer when turning, better blind spot, the screen is on the pillar so now on roundabouts there is better view of oncoming traffic from the side, and at night you can turn up the brightness if you are on unlit roads.
Older drivers are a little fussy about them. They can cope with the passenger side but drivers side if you wear glasses for long sighted vision you need to take your glasses of to see it clearly. I also do find with the actros condensation gets into the protective glass between the camera that can not clear itself. This tends to be a cause of distortion on the screen and in the sunshine makes things worse. Me personally I love the mirror cam and to me it's the best thing since the invention of sliced bread. I hope it's here to stay .
I drive all with mirror cam....MAN IS THE BEST OF ALL ! I see even in this video you put more about MAN ! Im fan volvo...hope they will come with mirrors like MAN !
My problem with them (I have a cheap one in my small delivery van) is the time it takes my eyes to re-focus from infinity to 'close-up', a problem that does not occur with optical mirrors.
You obviously don't drive trucks. The blind spots behind the mirrors are gone, so the risk of accidents are reduced. The air flow better along the sides so your side windows don't get dirty
As someone who was heavily involved in the development of at least one of the shown products in this video and quit the automotive industry afterwards, I do hope so that they are here to stay.
I found them hard to use! I don’t need my glasses for driving but need them to read and use computers therefore I could see perfectly out of the passenger “mirror” but not the closer drivers “mirror” because the image was blurry.My glasses aren’t designed for driving so now I have to have a pair made up at great cost so I can see out of one screen.I also found they made cars driving lamps appear to flash and it very hard to judge if a car far enough away for me to change lanes A good concept but heaven knows what will happen if especially the near side screen should fail if your in the middle or outer lanes!!
At last someone with the same problem as me. Out of focus, l.e.d. lights flashing in the screen, bright sunshine clouding the screen driving with reading glasses on the end of my nose bobbing my head up n down all in all load of shite
From an old cod to you: There will ALWAYS be need for truck drivers. If you go that route, get your license, get licensed to operate a truckmounted crane and a forklift certificate, you will have 20 fold more chances to get a job with those 2 extra licenses
People have been saying that for 10+ years, no car manufacturer has actual self driving yet and regulators won't allow them until they've completed millions of miles of testing in every condition and situation. IF automated driving becomes the normal it'll be a very gradual switchover so you'll have plenty of time to retrain. Ports/docks/warehouses still hire full time drivers to shunt trailers all day and that will be the easiest driving job to automate as there's less unknown hazards and they take place fully on private property.
@@chrism4841 There are also the legal question, who is to blame in an accident, the manufacture of the vehicle, the manufacture of the AI program or the owner/operator of the vehicle
European regulations say that the truck driver is warned by signals when there is a cyclist in the blind spot next to the truck in the city. This is to prevent the cyclist from being run over when turning. Technically, this can be done reliably with cameras. So if cameras have to be installed, the question arises whether the additional costs due to mirrors are still desirable?
The cost doesnt realy matter, cameras and screen are pretty cheap today, if the manufactor doesnt put a 500% mark up on the "new" technology. The higher price doesnt matter much because they safe fuel to do reduced air drag.
Eh . . . no. European regulations WANT it to be so. about cameras, it is the other way around, is it more viable to install a mirror costing ~ €20-40 or installing a camera AND a monitor ?
I can't help but feel that the direction we're going, with overcomplicating and digitizing so many aspects of everything, is not sustainable long term and will cost us very dearly in a couple decades. I mean that in general, but replacing a piece of glass with some shiny metal behind it with a system of cameras, displays, connections and processing electronics, needing constant power to operate and being orders of magnitude harder to repair and more expensive in terms of materials and energy, that's among the most stand-out examples.
I bought a digital review camera... worked great for a few days then it rained and the rear camera you had to install to make it worked was covered by mud. Until they start making auto cleaning cameras. Wait until these cameras are covered in mud, snow and ice and see how they work.
I think mirror cams hold a lot of promise for drivers operating larger delivery trucks in urban areas, especially if they are required to back up often
You don't drive trucks obviously. Removing the blind spots behind the mirrors reduce the risk of accidents. The air flow better along the sides, so your side windows don't get as dirty. Mirror cams have only pluss sides
@@stigandrmyrardalur5208 I dont drive a truck ,but I know if the camera gets a damage it cost so much. In night you cant see anything . I love better the original mirror
@@akosnagy1181 You actually have BETTER vision in the darkness with cams than mirrors. Yes, they're expencive IF you break them, but so are old mirrors, and the risk of breaking them are much less than breaking a mirror due to the size.
Haven’t seen better mirror cams than Mercedes have. Superb quality in rain, fog and night, no blind spots reversing over right shoulder etc. I see absolutely no point having those huge old style mirrors on our truck nowadays
Because it is not always the truck have a dash to connectit to, and it is another expence and another point of failure. It will come down the line, as it already exist on lorrys
