Missing 411, Or Murdered By Moonshiners? 

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"I assume if you're still here you want the history part" me nodding furiously.

As the residential Michigander here, it's pronounced Mack-i-naw. I'll give you a pass on this one 😅

"We have plenty of cases to cover, do not make more" That was really funny

A child witnessing moonshiners is like a chicken witnessing a murder in Skyrim.

Here in WNC, the question “have you or do you drink moonshine more than once a year” was legitimately used by physicians and practitioners to determine whether a patient may be a “problem drinker” or not. The logic being that no one would drink moonshine without their primary goal being intoxication. 😂

Short answer: Probably not. Longer answer: Moonshiners, even in the early days of the practice, were rather well known in their local communities. To the point that everyone and their brother in the community would know who was the moonshiners. Meaning that some rando kid wandering into a moonshiner's still, even if it's from someone outside of the community, wouldn't warrant a murder. What point would there be, from the moonshiner's perspective, of drawing even more attention to the surrounding area?

potential moonshiner murder is not what I expected to be covered this week

It doesn't matter, really, but Aidan: rawboned (or raw-boned, or raw bone) is a descriptive word(s) meaning skinny, gaunt, or scrawny. So it's possible the source really did mean to type that about the dog. [Edited for clarity]

When you start out liking 411, but then slowly turn into it's archenemy. Best villain origin story ever.

The ol’ saying goes “Once two strangers climbed ol' Rocky Top Lookin' for a moonshine still Strangers ain't come down from Rocky Top Reckon they never will” Go Vols

It's always refreshing to find a channel that doesn't thrive on sensationalism. Thanks for continuing to demystify and "de-bigfootize" these cases. I never miss an episode.

Two things, It struck me as weird that a 3 year old would go off looking for the dog after it hadn't returned for a while, toddlers seem to live more in the moment so chasing it as it ran would make sense but i don't think they have the capacity yet to say "hmm the dog has been missing a while I should go find him." However the fact that he was following his siblings makes alot of sense in the regard. Anyway second thing please tell me we're getting"Bigfussy" shirts

David wants there to be more to a story than there actually is. Because most of the time the boring non spooky true doesn’t get the attention that something strange does

RU-vid randomly recommended a killdozer video to me about an hour ago, and now I am subscribed and waiting for a premiere. Good stuff!

"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I, I took the one less traveled by, and that has made all the difference."

The “my shot killed him” thing is psychologically. It’s a guilty thing, not a logic one.

Rawboned in refernece to the dog means it was bony, not well-fed

Some thoughts on cause of death, least important aspect of the case. I'm happy to provide citations if anyone wants to go down the spider/snake/poison rabbit hole after me. There aren't really spider species with medically significant venom in that area-particularly not ones which are inclined to bite. What does track for cause of death would be a snake bite, of which there are several very well camouflaged and quite defensive species hanging out. Some of those species share characteristics and behavior with snake species that are safe (enough) to bother. There are plenty of attractive looking plants and fungi which show up in the smokies as well, including some species which are safe to eat cooked but not raw-a differentiation a hungry toddler might not make on his own. (This has been your weekly engagement comment by me, brought to you by creepy crawly enjoyers against spider slander.)

I participated in a field research class in the Cosby area of Tennessee so from an ecology perspective I can offer a bit of context. Venomous spiders in this region are way more rare than people think-- especially in March. March can get very cold, and most cold-blooded animals in this climate overwinter one way or another. Spiders seek warmth in places like sheds so you're much more likely to face them on a homestead than out in the wilderness at this time. There is the case for venomous snakes like diamond backs, but they are likewise going to brumate unless its an especially warm March. They recommend inexperienced hikers of the smokies come at latest mid May because that is when venomous snakes start to emerge from brumation. That isn't to say spiders and snakes don't exist in March they most definitely do, but they're going to be sluggish. A noisy three year old is not likely to catch any of these animals by surprise nor are they likely to capture the animal in much a situation where biting is its first response. Its still very possible, especially since he was found in a log where these critters might be hiding. But losing little Abe to exposure is significantly more likely.

I was interested in Paulides' material, but it didn't take too long to see his subtext and pick up on how he was coloring his stories to fit his conclusions. So he's helpful for some of the research that he's done, but you have to take it with a grain of salt.

Live on the same Reservation as Sully’s Hill, ND, Now known as White Horse Hill. There’s a lot of ongoing missing person cases in our community that I think would interest you. Your indigenous history sections surprised me, when I first started watching your channel. Have been an avid viewer for months, never left a comment. Thank you for keeping up you and your team’s amazing work.

Moon shine mixed with powdered country time lemonade is a good way to drink some shine ✨we call it shineade

Moonshine and moonshine distilling equipment? I believe you mean he sold Moonshine and Moonshine Accessories

I grew up in the Smokies so far back in the woods we didn't get the Saturday Night Grand Ole Opry until Tuesday morning. Your break down was great with the exception of the spider bite. Most likely a snake bite. March sees snakes out sunning themselves during the day and will find a warm spot(hollow log) in the evening and night. In my 70 years in these hills I've never seen a spider of any kind that could kill even a small rodent much less a healthy 3 year old. Keep up the good work, I really enjoy your vids.

When I was illegally working in a liquor store at 15, I knew a guy who made artisinal moonshine.

"We have plenty of cases to cover, do not make more" 😂🤣

I like this episode because its able to deconstruct the narrative and reveal that the traditional story is just an old wives tale

"The toddler put on his coat, leaving around three." So, a toddler just walks out of the house, like he is a college kid, and adults don't know. OK. .....Neglect is so often behind the missing kids cases.

Thank you for your research. I’m always skeptical when someone repeats a Paulides story. He seems to omit a lot of information in his story telling.

I feel like David probably vets his sources when they don't say anything that helps fit his narrative and then let's it slide when sketchy sources do say things to fit his narrative. He seems like that kind of dude. Anyways, great video as always. ❤

That opening line is gold.

As a local to the area I can say this… contact the Sevier and/or Cocke county library. Sevier county’s has a lot of online resources and are always willing to help. Try the Mountain Press, Sevier county’s newspaper or the Knoxville News Sentinel which is the largest in the area and based out of Knox county. The Knox county library may have papers older than the sentinel. Lastly, the area of Cosby could swallow half the world today and people would never be found. Back then it would be far worse, but the people, even kids, would have been FAR more capable than 99.9% of people are today when it comes to survival and navigating the land.

Snake is more likely than spider imo. Great video

I don't believe that Lore Daddy Attis really hates David Paulidis all that much. I feel like you just gets frustrated that he did a little bit of digging but then didn't verify what he dug up and is trying to show that with a little bit of extra time you can verify what could be truth and what could be false claims

You ought to write your own book on these disappearances with the info you discovered. Poor little Abe. 😢 Every article I've read and video I have watched on Trenny mentioned Simpson, even going so far as to say that Trenny's comb, that she carried everywhere, was found in his car. Also, I found out that star sapphire ring and matching pendant were gifts (from her parents?) and were found to be in the possession of a female classmate who never returned them to her parents. Trenny's case has left me completely confused by the contradictory information to the point that now I am wondering if she even existed at all.

That pronunciation of Mackinac. It is much closer to Mack-in-awe

Aiden: please don't make more cases Me, already covered in barbecue sauce and lounging in front of a bear den: oh, *now* you say something?

I fail to believe moonshiners would hurt a 3year old local boy. The dog under the porch leads me to believe a animal is responsible for this disappearance

Even if the older stories have little evidence or documentation it’s still fun to hear them deconstructed

I found out after my dad's funeral that grandpa had been a moonshiner, his grandfather before that, and that some of my aunts, uncles, and cousins took up the family hobby. Seems like maybe I missed out on a grand tradition.

As a Michigander hearing mackinack hurts.

5:06 pronounced mack-in-aw. Sincerely, somebody from Michigan. (The city is spelled correctly, idk what happened when they named the island)

The fr*nch naming conventions strike back in today's episode's Michigan lore mention

love when you rip apart bad research! so relieved to have the history section back! so sad for Abe

This series has become "Fact checking David Paulides." And I'm here for it.

Stock car racing began with running moonshine. 😂.

I feel like this format - giving the David Paulides (sp?) version of the story before going and dissecting it - actually suits the topic quite well. It starts with how the story was presented as a Missing 411 case, what got it presented in that way, then discusses whether it does or does not truly belong

Very interesting as always gentlemen. Please continue these as the information you share is so important. Was not expecting to hear a possible relative mentioned - maternal great grandmother was named Christie and originally from Appalachian area. Lol. Thanks again.

congrats yall finally got to 500k subs sooo happy for u guys ....keep up the awesome work

This video was great, thank you for all of the information!

Great work, as always, gentlemen!

Love y'all's work! It is exciting to see how the channel has grown over the years.

I personally liked the format. I have only recently discovered your channel and find your story telling extremely fascinating. you do an amazing job breaking down each case and your attention to detail is spot on. FYI going into the "history lessons" is one of the best parts of your story telling.

Thank you very much for all the hard work you do! Keep goin man.

Your research and breakdown is awesome. Dig the music too. 👍

Good coverage on this story; it's not one that I've heard before. Thank you! I also enjoyed the history section.

I love your videos, such good research, and like i love how you embrace nerding out, you have to, and you're so polite and professional like politely asking to skip the history section. I think it's one of the coolest things about your videos. I am from stl, I've actually worked on Grant's farm as in at one time Ulysses s Grant's farm, so many beautiful animals, many just roaming not all caged up. Keep up the great work and research Aidens! Lastly my only take on factor is I've loved what I've tried from there, i just think it's funny the thought of a man lonely eating a microwaved tv dinner for any meal you were living a very sad and lonely life, but now it's considered hip and cool, i love the story arc of microwavable meals lol

Took the Feds six years to find Eric rudolf

Thank you for the great content!

Aiden, your cold opens always get the exact same reaction out of me, every time I purse my lips, smirk, and pull my chin to the left xD

We're currently staying in The Cairngorms National Park in Scotland, and I've been really enjoying listening to these videos while getting ready/winding down for the day. Glad I came across the channel! 😄

Love today's format!

Funny how some one who got into this out of pure curiosity seems to do way more vetting of the facts than an ex cop/detective. I forget if he was detective or just a normal beat cop but either way. You'd think he'd know how important checking up on sources and running everything down either way. So honestly the reason I got into your content so much is because you do some of the most in depth source checking out of pretty much any one else on youtube. Same reason I stopped watching Nerdrotic's woo woo content because they literally do zero fact checking. So good on you brother keep it up, hard work yields the best results.

Keep up the great work ✌🏻... Philly love

Glad to see the history segment return

I'm with you on DP & going from impressed to suspect 🤔

Very interesting that this video has some sources listed and not a lot of older videos.

Great video guys, keep up the hard work!

The idea of the Moonshiners opening fire in the direction of sounds they hear is very funny to me. Unless these guys are shooting their guns 24/7, I doubt they're just shooting at random noises they hear in the woods.

Loving your content brother.

Putting parks under the jurisdiction of the Department of Agriculture doesn’t make much sense today. But, back then when there were so few few parks, it probably prevented duplication of early environmental studies, such as hydrology, soil composition and other analyses.

❤ Awesome as always thanks guys always enjoy the history segment it's my favorite!

I love the history segments, it was always my favorite topic in school.

I love you and these videos! Can’t wait for the merch. Im an amateur research sleuth myself and spend my days researching unsolved murders. It’s my passion :) and these videos are like crack for me ha ha

B-But muh Bigfoot! *-David Paulides, probably*

I have come to really look forward to new Lore Lodge videos. I'm tired of rewatching all the old one 😂

I absolutely love the history segment!

I find the idea of moonshiner's firing at a sound very strange. Know your target and dont waste a shot

I don’t really watch you anymore but congrats on 500k! Insane.

Honestly, I was wondering where the history segments of the videos had gone - I'm very glad they have made a triumphant return!

You should name your line of Bunker Branding "Debunker Branding"

You mentioning your towns Blobfest reminded me that in a few weeks, my town (Johnstown, PA) is having their own fest called Squonkapalooza on August 10th. It's a festival held every year to celebrate the Squonk, PA's most famous cryptid!

Love your videos esp the history parts as I live in the UK, indigenous American history and the formation of the parks etc is all new to many of us and find it fascinating.

Cosby native here! Crazy to see our little town on your page!!

Finally..was missing the lore from lore lodgr👏👏👏

Hey I was wondering if you've ever heard of the dark entry forest in Connecticut? I'd love to see you do a video on that and see what kind of research you're able to find!

A guy in Gatlinburg looked just like you this week!!! Oh wow didn’t expect the story to be about Tennessee, I had my message typed before you started.

Shine can be good or it can be bad, it also depends what you're trying to make. A lot of people are essentially making everclear, which has no character. Homemade doesn't mean bad.

What?! David Paulides adding or leaving out information nooooooooooo you must me mistaken 🤣🤣

This has to be one of the best lore lodge intros LOL

the history segment is basically why i watch

I love the video! There is one little bit that is absolutely killing me though: Mackinac is pronounced mack-in-AW, not mack-in-ack!

I literally discovered this channel from the Unsubscribe Podcast. Upon looking, I watched the Killdozer video a week ago. However, after watching these guys on Unsubscribe, I'm absolutely subscribed now!

Interesting. I will have to have our team look into this case.

Underrated story channel

Not me trying to figure out how to get to PA from WI to get a t-shirt and bring you chocolate milk 🥴🤣 Great video! I remember my first run-in with moonshine when I went to college in Southern Illinois. Tasted like how I imagine ethanol tastes.

My great grandpa and some of his friends moonshined a few summers up in the Sioux City area. They decided it was too much work after like the fourth summer and quit.

Aden don't apologize for the slightly different vid just keep cooking my dude

I agree with you about Paulides, he doesn't invent evidence but he frequently hyperfocuses on specific points which he is clearly using to misdirect readers. That's as good as lying, in my book. The way he interfered with the DeOrr Kunz case is especially evil.