Something I forgot to add for the point regarding vendor prices is that, of course, sometimes the items you can get at a vendor are Normal Quality when the items on the marketboard are high quality...I still think the people buying these items don't know that they can get a marginally worse item from a vendor and it will make almost no difference when leveling.
A lot of times these HQ items are daily requirements for Grand Company Turn-ins, and that is why the HQ items are sometimes really highly priced. Yes you could craft them yourself if you have the crafting gear setup on your character or you can be lazy and pay that higher price and save time, because HQ items for GC turn-in give double the rewards (double job xp and double GC seals) vs NQ turn-in.
@@BigEd30 Essentially this. I find a good compromise to tell people is buy cheap high quality ingredients, then craft the item if they will save a decent amount of gill. High quality materials drastically change how difficult a craft is and a lot of people underestimate it. But the completion experience for that stuff is usually good as well.
NQ items are _not_ "marginally worse." Please, for the love of Hydaelyn, do _not_ use NQ gear if you're even thinking about queueing for anything through DF.
@@rhael42 you've echoed my exact thoughts! I can't stand how many would state to get NQ gear when it's just there when you're in a pinch. HQ gear will last you at least two to three dungeons during your MSQ runs or while leveling. Folks don't know just how solid HQ gear is and this was misinformation that needs to be adjusted. Also, when NQ gear is being sold for 43,215 gil in the vendor in Heavensward content while everyone is in Endwalker content, why sell HQ gear in the Marketboard for higher price? I price my gear low for leveling players to help THEM out while keeping their wallets happy. You can ALWAYS farm for necessary items to keep afloat and for dang sure Gil isn't an issue if you're making cheese regardless. By no means am I hating on Jolsn here because I just subscribed to him and I wish to support my FFXIV players. But, this is one piece of information I felt he needs to reevaluate.
Another tip: Do your daily and weekly hunts, and spend your points on aetheryte tickets. You can set it to automatically use an aetheryte ticket if the cost of teleportation is at or above a specified amount of gil.
Hmmm, still doing a lot of unlocking... but I'll tuck this tidbit away for later once I have back into the swing of working and unable to play more than two or three hours a day most days.
@@oscaroska76132 elites a week gives you 40 tickets. Triggering a thousand per teleport, that saves you 40,000 minimum a week for like, 10 minutes of work, if that.
This. 100% this. It's 40 tix/week for the 2 elite marks. Will save you a ton of gil. I know as someone who farms stuff with my MIN and BTN a lot that this is a big money saver. Also worth mentioning that you can go into the settings in the Aetheryte travel menu and set and which price you want to use a ticket. I have mine set to anything above 950 gil. Some people keep it at 999.
The "people will flip out and crash the market" thing is no joke. Happened to Earthbreak Aethersand recently. They were selling for 1900-2200 gil consistently and then all of the sudden some dude posted about 20 full stacks at 900 or something like that. The price is still around there. Making it much less profitable to farm it now.
Sell your items to the Shazenkai in Doma. By the end of the restoration they pay you double than what you'd get by selling to a normal vendor. It caps at 40k per week. It's the perfect place to sell your Allagan Platinum Pieces, etc.
Minor tip. Instead of running back and forth from the Levemete to the quest receiver for levequests, you can stand in between them (where the 2 wooden pillars are) and interact with both of them from there.
Undercutting by one gil is all well and good until you realize that your competition is a bot that undercuts you exactly every 30 minutes 24/7... 😮💨 Good video though, Jolsn! I feel like more people need to learn about that stack splitting thing!
1gil undercut is fine if its a thing for like 10k scrap gil. however you look like a fool if its something that sells for 800k but you are undercutting for 1gil at a time. then its way more realistic to undercut a decent amount so that a third party will be tempted to buy it to resell it to get the most they can out of it and you get a faster sell then waiting 2 months for a 20k difference in profit
@@thunderborn3231 if someone is buying your luxury item just to instantly resell it at a higher price-you royally miscalculated the price of that item. The true value of 1 Gil undercut is psychological-the person who searches for this item will buy whichever one is cheapest at this very moment.
Something else about leves (though less gil-related) is that there are challenge log tasks for them, one for doing 20 of them and one for doing 5 different plates (the little pictures with them). They hand out a little bit of gil, but they also hand out a decent chunk of XP, and that XP goes to whatever job you currently are, not the job that the leve is related to. If you've got a combat job you want some easy XP for, just change to that one while you're handing in your leves and get some easy XP.
It's worth noting that some of the gear being sold on the MB is being bought by people doing grand company supply/provision to level their crafters & gatherers (it's really great exp, highly recommend). in this case a high quality item gives you DOUBLE EXP so it's worth it to buy for double the price.
If you have the gil to spend getting HQ versions on the MB can be worth it, but most of the time I find it to be a case-by-case basis because some of the high quality versions of items are extremely overpriced compared to the normal versions and will drain your gil quickly, even more so if you're doing it for all your crafters. 99% of the time its always cheaper to buy or gather the materials yourself, especially in later levels where you can usually get away with crafting it HQ with scrip gear. There's also no guarantee the item will be sold or be HQ depending on the server, but it comes down to how much time you want to put into doing all of that in the first place.
One other thing as far as the leve quest goes, you don't even have to move back n forth from the leve quest giver to the turn in guy, you can just stand between them and reach both from the same spot where the desks join to save even more time.
@@Jolsn Yee i spam confirm button through the hand in dialogue to hand it over in like a second, aslong as you put the tea in the default spot it goes to in your inventory xD
The tax rate thing was an eye opener. I got my retainers back when it was just ARR so there were only 3 cities. I had no idea the other cities had reduced rates.
these were great tips! i love how concise your videos are. i think even unscripted there were no awkward pauses and it was all super natural. i honestly didn't know it was unscripted until you mentioned it and i would love more of these :)
about selling things in smaller stack sizes, if you expect people to want to buy 5 then put up a stack of 6 or 7. most are willing to buy 1-2 extra instead of waiting for the right amount stack
The stack thing is the most common, I see people selling 99 item stacks of things you only use 1-2 of. They must sit there for months. Also, you can massively undercut if there is a fleecer, if market history shows dozens of transactions at 20k but current listings are 200k there's no need to maroon your listing for months, just put yours up at a reasonable price.
I buy the stack of 99 for 10,000 gil per (990,000 total), then resell them in stacks of 10 for 20,000 per (1,980,000 total). Since its sometimes things people can turn in at the GC for boosted craft/gather XP.
@Gareth Fairclough No, that's how you fuck it up for momentary profiteers. Most people when buying will flick a quick look at the price history and won't buy something for 200k if the last dozen transactions were all at 20k unless they are wildly desperate or don't care about money. 90% of the time they'll just throw it on favourites and check again tomorrow. Rather than sitting there forever I'll put it up at a price that I know the market will generally bare, maybe a little higher. Supermarkets don't just suddenly start selling apples at $5 each.
@garethfairclough8715it's really not though. If the market says something is worth 20k (price history and other servers) and someone has it listed for 200k it doesn't make it worth 200k. If you have retainer slots to burn sure try your luck, but otherwise selling things at a price they will actually move at is reasonable.
I have realized, that the price of some items on the market board is a real mess... especially when it comes to beginner items... often feels like a rip-off
I would not have guessed this video was unscripted, but I can tell now that you’ve pointed it out. I enjoyed it though, it wasn’t rambling at all. It was well edited, and I don’t know if you had a rough outline or just started recording with a really strong idea of what you wanted to say but it worked well here.
Casual style video is the way to go. Felt like an articulate and intelligent friend was giving me golden tips. Plus, less time making them means you can cover more topics and I get more tips. Winzzzz
4:22 personally, I use the "split" option if it's a pretty high number of items, so I can just hit 5/7 on my keyboard to enter an amount and then I sell the individual stacks at what ever rate. I sometimes offer a slight discount if I want to sell a large quantity.
One thing I don't get is when a player sales something by undercutting a substantial amount to purposely try to bring prices down on the market board and what ends up happening is someone sees this huge undercut and buys the item or stack of items up only to resale it for a personal profit for themselves. Many do it and every time I see a player undercutting to try and drive prices down I have to shake my head at the gil they're about to lose, as I buy them up for resale. 😄
I did that quite a lot, but you have to be smart about it xD, if you undercut too much people will buy it and then resale, but sometimes the undercut is enough to make people freak out and fear a market crash, while still not being really worth it to resale if you take into account the tax and everything, if the undercut is not too small or too big no one takes up the effort to buy it and resell it, it’s just not worth it with the taxes I made literally 500 millions of gil in less than 6 months just by making smart undercuts, not really what you’d call a loss, so i guess it’s possible xD, i’m currently at 700 million gils total and still gaining more lol
Best method i’ve ever found is selling a few items quite cheap, undercutting a lot, some people freak out and crash the market and when that items costs basically nothing just buy it all while it’s super super cheap, and done xD
Some players are very consistent though There’s this player on my server selling the high durian saw and it usually sells for around 100k but this person would consistently sell them for 30k yeah I tried buying his out and reselling them but they would consistently put more of them back up for 30k 🤷 Idgaf they are so many more markets you can find and sell stuff but it’s just so funny some players are just so dumb like that
selling under the vendor value, its even better once you unlock the doman restoration when you can get upwards of double the vendor value by putting it in the donation basket. I usually grab thousands of allagan coins this way and still make back considerable amounts of gil. you sell a coin that vendors for 100g on the board for 50g, I buy it then donate it for 200g. XD
In my server (Cactaur) people dramatically undercut prices on items (specifically materia and timeworn maps). I simply buy them out of the market, and resell their items. They may make 500-1000 gil off of me, but I resell for 10s of thousands...
Gazelleskin Maps are by far the best maps to farm due to the sheer volume that are needed to try for the rarest achievement in the game. They are always in demand so the price rarely changes.
Having unlocked the Doman Enclave to its max level, I also get a bonus 40k gil allowance a week by turning stuff in (and get 2x the vendor price!). It's always helpful for me to check the marketboard to see if I can make more than twice the vendor price on something. Otherwise, I can save it for my weekly turn in. Would recommend completing the Enclave to get a little extra gil income! You also get a nice title to go with it
5:25 I'm sorry but I'm that person, if I get cut by 1gill in housing items I will craft like 5 of the same item and cut by 5-10k and so on then I wait until everything is sold and leave that niche for a week when the prices are up again or I just buy theirs when they low the prices too much then relist them higher again when there's no competence
I will tell you one very specific economical mistake i made a few months back. Do not put your newly pentamelded gear into the glamour chest so you can make a copy of the appearance. ALL your materia will be destroyed.
great video, and no need for a script :) the more you practice open commentary the easier it becomes, also you do multiple takes and for example the more times you re-commentate you are basically producing a script on the spot and sometime you just say random stuff that is relevant and didn't even think about adding originally! thanks for the videos, been following a lot of your guides recently :D Also i imagine it is common, but I've been a Runescape player for 15 years and something I learnt was merching and flipping items, I've been doing this since unlocking the Marketboard in ff14 and have made about 20m+ in a couple months! it does take a few hours each day hopping servers and finding items in demand, but the more GIL i've mde the easier it is for me to make more, and i never knew about thre placement of retainers giving only a 3% tax so that will help me A LOT cheers man
Both styles are great, but your content is always fantastic. Its a ton of knowledge but it feels like a conversation and your delivery is wonderful. Greatly greatly appreciate how much help you've given out!
Hard disagree about "undercut responsibly". The people who get mad about that are no-lifers who pretend that it's an equal playing ground when they can log in ten times as often and keep an eye on the prices and immediately undercut again. They're mad that they can't retain their advantage of logging in more often than you to keep undercutting you again by 1 gil ASAP. When they tell you not to undercut by more, that it's "impolite", they're trying to socially manipulate you into participating in the market in the way that is more advantageous to them, usually by pretending it's not any more advantageous to them than to you. One person selling one lot for a few hundred gil less doesn't "crash" the market. It just makes the item sell a bit faster by making it less likely that other people undercut you - other people will see that there's only one cheap lot and decide to just undercut the rest rather than undercutting the one extra-cheap lot. The only time it crashes the market is when the market was artificially inflated. Undercutting is just how markets find equilibrium. You undercut by hundreds or thousands of gil when you want something to sell quickly or you won't be able to log in as often and check. It is a perfectly rational thing to do. The fact that other people don't like it is their problem - if they don't like participating in a market without price-fixing, they shouldn't participate. It's rare that they throw a fit and crash the market, but if they do they're just cutting off their nose to spite their face.
I always undercut 5% or more because I want to get rid of what I’m selling. I’m not min-maxing the market board and I want my inventory and retainer space back.
I agree, when I first heard someone complain about undercutting in the game I was like, that’s how markets work though. And also price fixing is bad, I’m not going to collude with everyone when they try to jack prices up by incredible amounts, like during the last housing boom.
I have 10 retainers in different cities. What I like to do is to figure out how much I want for an item then post that item for a certain price in one city and then on a different city, undercut myself by one gil. I do this multiple times. What happens is the MB only displays so many items for sale in one block, you have to scroll down to see more, but oftentimes people are too lazy to do this, so I fill up that block with my items (sold on multiple retainers) so that people only see my items for sale in the initial block of items.
I haven't finished Endwalker yet but my carpenter is 90. I'm doing the A real grind leve and making horse chestnut grinding wheels at hq for around 10k gil. The materials aren't a huge amount especially if you check other world prices and go where it's cheaper to buy. You can even sell the materials on your mb for a profit.
If you are farming why does it matter? The person that is going to flip out buy the item for cheaper, and sell it at their price. People ripping people off
u dont need to underbid, if u sell for the same price, ur are the first on the marketboard due to new offer/refresh. If everyone is always going to underbid you, ofc the items will lose its worth which leads to massive underselling for what items are actually worth.
I do the leves all the time. Fun fact: you can stand between the two NPC's there at the corner of their counter spaces and can actually click both of them. saves you from running back and forth. ^_^
Endgame tip: DO NOT OVERMELD! Unless you’re planning to do shit loads of crafting, do not overmeld anything. It will never be worth it, you’ll waste millions if not tens of millions.
Thanks for the video. I didn't know about the reduced retainer taxes, but I haven't unlocked those areas yet so I can't transfer my retainers yet. I really hate it when people undercut by 100s or even 1000s of gil. Stuff that went for 1000g suddenly starts selling for 250g in under a week when if everyone had just held the line we'd all be making more money.
I agree with the idea of reasonable stack sizes, but all I seem to see is like 99 of this or that. and your right when ever I see such large stack sizes I go I don't need even a quarter of that. I'll figure out some other way to get it.
Thanks for the guide, it was still quite helpful without a script. About undercutting: So what if I undercut someone by a large amount and they do flip out and attempt to crash the market for that item? I could just buy their stock for cheap, wait until it really hurts that player financially and then put it up for the amount I really wanted. IDK, sounds like something that might work occasionally. I guess I'll not do it, but I'll look into ways of tracking it and just buying things for cheap when someone tries to crash the market.
Selling vender items for more on the market board isn't trying to fleece you its selling you convenance. Many players later in the game have more gil then they know what to do with and limited time so they would rather spend more to get items quickly without running around. A great example of this is selling items used in the fashion report. There are often vender items but you need to track down where those items are sold and travel around collecting them or you could take 30 seconds on the marketboard and get a 100 score.
Tip for a fairly reliable income source that takes literal seconds to do is find a really popular gathering item. Have a retainer only collect that and sell it on the marketboard. If it's a high enough rotation rate you'll have it sold by the time you retainer returns with more to sell. You can do this at a super low level at like lvl 30. Also Desynth everything you get you don't want sometimes it'll give you a really valuable item to sell plus 200 gil is 200 gil. With 2 retainers getting up to lvl 50 items. I make about on average 7000gil every hour a good day is above 10,000 You can do it with crafting items as well but it's more work and this method doesn't really make you a ton of money just more steady income for nothing while you do other things not crafting related like leveling or MSQ
I've been playing since ARR, and only now found out about relocating Retainers and different markets having different taxes. Though I also didn't really look into it much before. I also didn't know about the Map Allowance thing. I'll definitely have to do that and make some free money every day. Same with leves. I just don't have much I wanted to spend gil on, but I may as well acquire it so that when I DO want to spend it on something expensive, I'm able to.
So you're saying I should craft a crap ton of Tsai to Vounou and sell them at say 2600 a piece (aka 8000 for every 3), so people are still making 2k profit? Sounds good to me.
Tai Tou Vounou goes for about 1 - 2k gil most of the time on my data center. Aside from that, even if you just make 2-3k from turning it in, it's still faster and more profitable for the time spent than actually crafting it when you consider resources needed. If you feel like crafting an HQ item for maybe 3k in profit is worth it, then sure
You mention someone that will crash the market price ... yeeahhh I am one of those guys... it is frustrating to co stantly get undercut ahen we don't have mucn time to keep updati g prices.
I would argue undercutting is an exercise in futility. If you're constantly undercutting by 1, and you maintain that being at the top is the most desirable position, chances are dozens of other people are doing the same thing. Maybe not for the biggest ticket items, but you can be very assured that a 1000 gil item can easily drop down below 900 in a matter of hours just because people have that 1 gil undercutting mentality. Rather, I look at what quantities are being sold, and for how much. 99 stacks of something for 500 each? Well no one's going to buy those, why don't I sell 2 or 3 for 550, or even 600? My 1200, 1800 gil sale is much more affordable than a nearly 50k investment into something you might only need a couple pieces of.
i get that normally marketboarding for vendor gear is terrible, but there are now because of ishgardian restoration so many omnicrafters there are absolutely people posting HQ gear on the board for less gil than the vendors sell normal equipment for. in some cases it is even posted for a lower amount than the gear would vendor for
Also I think it would surprise you just how many folk don’t know how to sell items to the vendor. You could probably get more than a few views just on a video titled: How to sell items to FFXIV vendors.
yeah this guide is useful as hell, here's another tip: do NOT fucking go to leviathan. i'm on that server and the market is a NIGHTMARE, full of bots that immediately tank the market to undersell you.
You can buy some gear from a NPC vendor, sure, but not HQ versions. Also, when buying up items that sell for more to a NPC vendor, make sure the fee you're paying on top of the selling price doesn't put you over the NPC price in the end.
I didn‘t know about the reduced taxes thing. It‘s an interesting and also a pretty unnecessary feature, in my opinion. Just makes it more complicated for no reason.
I thought for my first month of using retainers that the already entered number when putting something up for sale was the price they were going for. I was selling stuff for 1/10th or even 1/100th of the actual price. So much gil lost
So he said it cost you 3000 buy three of them. He turned three in and you got 10,000 which means you made a profit of 7000 so you made a profit loss of 3000 gill when you could’ve gotten the full profit of 10k by having your retainers set to farm the materials to craft it so you made your money back with the 3K and then made an additional 7K of profit when you could’ve made 10k profit
Loved the video. Knew all the tips you have listed. Been playing for a couple years. Perhaps the thing I enjoy the most is the insight behind choices. I have a limited amount of time per day. How efficient is completing the challenge log for MGP, Gil, etc? Are there some tasks that are not worth my time? I have already come to the conclusion that there are several duty roulettes that I should basically never do.
Duty roulettes are pretty much never worth it if they are only done for gil - only if you also need the other rewards like tomestones and xp. But surprisingly there are many activities that people recommend that aren't actually super profitable.
@@JolsnWell Frontline in particular is one of the most efficient ways to gain exp, series exp, and wolf marks. Right now, I am looking at the Ishgardian Restoration and trying to decide if it is worth my time. I think it may be for things like dyes and exclusive items.
Dyes point is really good, tho I would say the only exception to those are soot black dye and snow white dye since I feel like people use them the most so they rather to just buy a whole stack of them to not be bothered later to buy more and more.
Had a 3 Month break from the game and thought its good to watch all your videos you uploaded in that time to get up to date with the game and get to know some more cheesy stuff. I never had a fast and easy way to use my Leve Allowences but that one is acutally genius!
Reasonable tips for newbies. These are good habits, when having single digit million Gil and under. Although in regards to allowances and also checking vendors for items you can buy with a small premium on the marketboard, I'd throw the buzzword "opportunity cost" in. Time saved with buying an item from the Marketboard instead can be spend on bigger endeavours raking in more cash. Opportunity cost is also the reason why gathering will fall off very quick in making gil efficiency. Allowances can ofc net you some amount, even if coffee biscuits times are long over, but doing those takes time and effort too. Treasure Hunts take no effort and are a great way to spend time with friends, 6+ people with 3 (current)maps per person and you'll get your maps' worth back guaranteed, even if you bought your 3 maps. Some older maps are also worth a bunch. But it all really comes down to just not spending the Gil you get: Get a crafter up to lvl 80 and do some pvp, daily one is sufficient, get the Grade VIII Dark Matter for repairing the gear yourself. Daily Roulettes in general are free Gil. Greed everything in dungeons and get Ventures for your Retainers to get RNG loot(1h venture or w/e), without much effort, that you can sell. Join a hunt Discord and do 1-2 S-Rank trains per week, no need to buy Materia anymore, also Teleport-Tickets for free teleports. New glam releases? Do you really want it? Then wait 1-3 weeks for the prices to plummet. Got f.e. the newest pet from the dungeon shortly after release? Sell! Buy back cheaper later. Later start looking into your DC's economy and start to flip items from lower economy servers or look for overlooked items/prices, if you already got some cash. Getting a billion Gil won't come quick, but this is stuff you'd probably do anyway and it won't suck out your soul, like playing in sync with the timers. Oh also, you can totally undercut in a mean way. If it frees up a selling slot on your retainer and you can sell another item in the time it would have taken you to undercut responsible, that's a win! Always have retainers at 20/20. Some marketboard botters also forget to set a limit for undercutting... :^)
My advice would be avoid the market board as much as possible unless you are getting a handful of glamour gems. I just started playing FF and am currently level 42, I am just stockpiling all the mats I have because I plan to level professions and would rather not sell something to buy it back when I start. I currently have 100k gil and 80k... what ever the golden place currency is called.
about the FLEECING YOU were accusing Crafters of... The Gear is HQ Not low Quality of the vender gear... Noted by the symbol... Venders Do not sell HQ gear and the gear will be lower in stats
Probably unpopular opinion about undercutting, but at least for the bigger-ticket, slower moving items (like, say, crafted glamour stuff based on treasure map drops) I don't buy the "you'll crash the market!" argument at all. If something is going for 200-300K, I'll happily knock 10K off of that. Why? Well, the other people selling the item are probably doing the same thing I am, where they had/bought the valuable material and are trying to turn a profit on it. Undercutting by 1 gil on things like that is basically saying "I agree on the price you've set, but I want mine to sell first, so there." If I'm going to basically try to cut in line to sell mine first, I want the other sellers to have a real choice to make: Accept that I'm willing to take a lower profit margin than they are and wait for mine to sell first, or meet me where I am on the price. I don't have time to try to win the "who can babysit their retainer harder" game against bots. If I have a big ticket item up for sale for days on end and every day I check to find that 2-3 one gil undercuts sold while mine is still up there, you're darn right I'm setting a lower price point. But here's the thing: No one is forcing anyone else to match my price when I go lower. If my single item being cut by 10-20K "crashed the price" then the previous price point was untenable to begin with.
Let's not pretend undercutting by 1gil is anything other than a means to wedge your item before someone else's on the board. And hey, that's fine - but you don't get to do that and then turn around and chastise a player who responds by having none of that and tanking the price or even flooding the market. You screwed them and couldn't handle when they hit back. If it truly wasn't a big deal like you make it seem, you would have no problem matching their price or even selling for 1 gil MORE than them.
@@Shiirow theres a dalamud plugin that shows u most things(certainly gear) have a 'last bought' of around ~24hrs besides the common/current stuff :) this is just bad advice youre trading your time doing menial undercutting against bots n players
Eureka orthos crashed many of the storm blood weapons because people were getting them in gold sacks. What's funny is I refused to drop my price on the summoner weapon from the Phoenix chick as they were trying to sell it for 100,000s less than what it normally sells for. Left it up and people sold theirs for like 20,000 meanwhile mine sold after theirs for 640,000 which is still less than it sometimes went for as her weapons are super popular and sometimes cost way more than endwalker weapons. These idiots have dropped some prices from the 400,000 to 10,000 and I've been tempted to buy some just to make a profit later. I'll never understand people who just not only undercut by so much but will ruin their own potential at a profit.
I thought about it, but it would probably be a lot to manage, especially for someone like me without much knowledge about how its all set up. I would reconsider if I were to stream regularly, but for now I don't see the need either.
They do change every so often but it's not as frequent as every couple of days. I don't know exactly when they change, but you can check when the next change will be by speaking with a retainer vocate and viewing the current tax rates - there's a date shown on that screen
