Mixed Reality is How You Sell VR to People. 

I do my best. I love VR and everything in VR. I usually take a few days to reflect on what’s going on and going around the space. Usually a lot of conversations between me and the people I talk to in the space. I appreciate the kind words and am glad you have been enjoying the content.

Agree with your thoughts on clearer pass through. It will get better but 100% better than the quest 2. Lots of apps need to be updated though are MR. The second part I totally agree. It’s one of those things that I think will help parents with kids and animals. A lot of stuff in our spaces can be broken or hurt and MR fixes a lot of that.

I don’t see anyone in big numbers going to buy a quest for mixed reality. But there will be people doing it. Look at the AVP. There is hype around that platform I don’t think it will be huge in the long run but I think as of right now some will not be able to afford AVP and will get a quest 3 instead. @BigSunn0 make sure to make fun of me if I’m wrong. I encourage it. But I truly think people will get a headset for missed reality as the primary driver.

very valid points.

If the Q3 wasn’t focused on spending so much of its limited price per unit on mixed reality technology, it could have spent more on technology, such as mini LED screens with better local dimming, for example. Or maybe just a strap or headphones that aren’t garbage. (that’s not to discount its other wonderful improvements, but just saying money could be better well spent where VR gamers want or even just comfort for anyone if the focus wasn’t on mixed reality.)

@EndersVRcade Do you believe that games in general are there to hook you and suck you in? What is wrong with Meta doing that? Barring the data collection because I don’t agree that collecting data should be a thing at all from anyone. Just want to say we agree on that. But what is stopping anyone else from making you addicted to these devices. We will see how Apple does ads. Will be interested to see how Meta does then as well. But do you think Apple or meta will be putting an ad after you lose a game?

Do you think the first VR headset you got was garbage and a horrible experience @EndersVRcade ? I don’t think my first VR experience was bad. I think regardless of what happens this headset will have VR first timers in it. This will be many peoples first experience. Although they may have not gotten this headset for VR they will eventually try it. It’s a matter of time. But people that got a quest 3 for mixed reality will eventually try VR. Many will want MR because it would block their view and they have animals and kids they need to see. But when they have time they will want to try VR. It’s easier to introduce part of an idea that is not understood than to try and preset it all at the same time. That is what MR is doing.

@@ButtorsVRGamingI think specifically Meta’s goal, not the VR industry in general, is to hook you on their ecosystem (much like Apple) with games and hardware sold at a loss. They need to turn a profit as all businesses do. Meta’s stock value was continually dropping due to a lack of profitability leading to mass layoffs as a result because this model of selling their VR ecosystem at a loss was unsustainable. So now Meta is trying to shift their existing ecosystem and consumer base to MR. How do they turn a profit and what’s different about it? Advertising and data mining only this time theoretically, with a larger user base they can switch to exploiting data and ads faster than they were trying with VR (Blaston being the one test case in Meta’s ecosystem and thematic got such pushback the devs backed out hard of that) because cell phone “free-meium” players will put up with ads and in game purchases and so will MR players because they care about game mechanics like Fruit Ninja more than immersion and great graphics, like you would see in a VR game.

@@ButtorsVRGaming I do see your point that mixed reality might be intriguing and then get people to try virtual reality games. However, my concern is that all the industry money will go to mixed reality games which will be a poorer quality experience for the reasons I described above. In other words, I think it will result in a higher quantity of players for an overall poor quality of experiences offered, and no I don’t think my first headset the oculus quest one was garbage. I think it was great. But that was a very different headset with a focus on virtual and not mixed reality in line with John Carmack’s ideals. Quest one was my gateway to better virtual reality experiences via PCVR, and Meta is focusing on, I think the opposite direction with mixed reality. Quest 1 and Meta’s focus at that time is not what it is now, so I don’t think my first headset experience is relevant to the present direction. Oculus PC is getting killed by Meta is an indication of that. Like I said earlier, there’s only so many resources the company has to spend and it’s not elevating VR, it’s in my opinion lowering the bar with MR much like Blizzard asking diehard PC Diablo fans at Blizzcon, “ your headphones don’t you? Aren’t you excited for a new Diablo game? You can play on your phones.” This was followed by the crowds asking this is a joke, right like an April fools joke?” And then crickets. My apologies for the terrible typos. I am writing this with my thumbs on my phone.

Yea I think this will probably be the same exactly thing MR to VR but idk about AR to VR. We will see.

Its best use would be replacing physical activities with MR instead, table top games come to mind

I have not played the first but it is amazing VR for sure. Excited to play 2 at least.

I don’t think anyone in VR will get into MR like someone that is out of VR. I think glasses will be what makes this mainstream 100% but I think people will for sure get one of these and just leave it plugged into a wall and watching TV. As for the games I don’t expect them to be wild but just like VR we do have to start somewhere @PandaGamingPodcast

Yea I don’t think we see daily MR/AR till we get glasses sadly. I’m pretty sure we agree on that as well. I still like that I can read a phone. Don’t have to take off my headset. So nice. I really hope the MR grabs people. It’s going to have mom and dad not get so sick as well and maybe be a stepping stone to VR legs. I did not even think of that. As for the Reese’s they are in the fridge lol.

One of the top answers on why people don’t ever get into VR includes it blocking out their space and not being able to see around them. Mixed reality along with AR will be used around the home for tutorials on repairs or cooking. As well as entertainment when you can’t use screens in the house. VR is amazing but mixed reality shuts down the notion that people don’t want to be blocked off from the world. As for the Wii analogy Wii sports is what most played for sure. Was a family thing but still the main issue mixed and AR is fixing is for people that don’t want to be blocked off from their world. I don’t see it making a massive dent in sales but it will be the primary reason to some people. And if those people that never tried VR because it blocked out the view get a quest 3 for MR maybe they will get into the VR side of things.

​@ButtorsomethingVR all the people saying this is bad for vr is crazy this is going to bring more people in easily

I wouldn’t say crazy. I think VR as it stands is a passion that people want everyone to experience.

Couldn’t agree more 100%

I mean, I’m standing 3 inches away from an open fire. And I’m not trying to touch my fingers. We’ll see what it comes out. You shouldn’t really be having too much grease splatter or smoke. Maybe I should reserve the cooking for a different video. But I can totally see myself going around the house, vacuuming and doing shit while I have this on. And learning piano is going to be cool you’ll probably be able to learn guitar and a whole bunch of other instruments as well.

Watching videos while doing chores around the house is going to be a huge use case. You also have to think I cook a lot. A lot of the things I cook are from RU-vid I will be able to pull up the recipe and video all at the same time and not touch anything with my hands that have been all over the food. That’s a massive use case. I think we will see people get into the headset for this reason. It won’t be the only reason but will be the primary reason they started with the headset. Apple Vision Pro will fail hard AF if no one is getting into headsets for mixed reality/productivity alone. Let’s be honest. Like I said. Not a lot will get it from just this but there will be people that do. @stevedoetsch it’s not about a lot of people it’s about the small amount outside of VR that will get it for it’s mixed reality uses. Then get into VR eventually. Even if it’s just grandpas VR porn machine.

@linck7up I can’t imagine MR porn but hey. We all know someone will do it. However I’m looking at some games now which can be fun. But I think more will be excited about using it around the house. IE watching something while they are doing chores or a tutorial for cooking while they are in the kitchen. Since everything is hands free.

@@ButtorsVRGaming MR co-op games will be nice it they can link but other then that i think they will die off like Wii and Xbox Kinect. and im just saying they will find a way to use it that way and nothing will stop it

@linck7up will be interested to see what we get.