Mixing with NO DAW! Analog Mixing on the Tascam M3700

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Analog mixing with No DAW. Mixing a fully analog tape session with outboard hardware only on the Tascam M3700 and Tascam MSR16 reel to reel multi-track machine. From start to finish this was a fully analog music production. The band was recorded on half inch tape then mixed using only traditional analog production techniques. No screens, no protools or digital audio workstation of any kind.

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@RyansCustomShopandGearOutlet 2 года назад

Why is music from the past so much more pleasing to the ears? This. This is exactly why. Awesome mix! Reminds me of my first time recording in a studio back in 1992. If people don't believe tape is more sonically pleasing, they can ask the scientists who proved tape is more sonically pleasing, or just use their ears. Liked, shared, and subscribed!

@topa1798 2 года назад

Organic pleasing to ears🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻😍😍

@massapower 2 года назад

ANALOG BABY!!!🤩🤟

@gregaudrey4299 2 года назад

Man, I really miss that way of recording\mixing music.

@morbidmanmusic 2 года назад

it is very elegant and musical in touch. It has that going for it! Why most of us old guys who prefer digital still use faders. that is the key element in mixing.

@richardbelisle4807 Год назад

Analog is using your ears digi is using your eyes…

@G-Point-EU-AU 2 года назад

Analog is recording human audio at the molecular level, digital is processing human audio in non-human "ones & zeros"... Different worlds. If you understand and know how to record in analog, you can do it on any analog equipment almost without problems and assistance. * Even more in live sound mixing (without recording) !!! Functionally it is understandable how to do it in digital. But one of the worst problems in digital audio is - every digital mixer is different and every digital mixing software is different. If you do not know it through - you need the assistance of someone who knows it. Plugins are easier to understand but anyway it is taking time. The next problem is digital latency, resulting in phasing - especially for monitoring musicians in the studio or on the stage. Wireless processes are adding some more phasing. In analog audio, the only phasing problem is multi-microphone and multi-loudspeaker delays/phasing depending on different distances. In digital audio, we have all three phasing problems... The only real musicians monitoring solution (in the studio and in the live sound) is parallel analog mixing - taking original signals before any digital processes - separately split analog mixes.

@theblowupdollsmusic 2 года назад

Impossible to tell what this sounds like through the microphone on your camera. Why did you not record any proper audio from this amazing set up? What a great studio!

@guerrillastudiosmanchester 2 года назад

Hey Matt, we did where we could. From 4:48 until the end of the video unless I'm talking or it was not convenient to do so. The audio switches to the main output of the console only. When you see me using the solo and mute buttons you may notice the change to the main outputs. Thanks

@morbidmanmusic 2 года назад

Having done that for 30 years, I don't miss it one bit. Things sound much better these days, as far as the ability to recreate reality and true dynamics. . Drums get so destroyed on tape. It is much nice to hear what the cymbals and low end really sound like. color is easy to create after, ..But of course, to each their own.

@heythere6983 2 года назад

Ok looking into hybrids, using compressors and pres with analogue. What plugins do you think are good to add color? from what Iv heard plugins are always thinner and smaller sounding. Than their analogue counterparts . I think plugins are best for effects but I can’t say Iv ever heard a compressor Plugin that has more depth than a real counterpart

@RyansCustomShopandGearOutlet 2 года назад

Everything sounds better with the tape plugin. Lol!

@uriel-heavensguardian8949 2 месяца назад

✊🏾💯✊🏾💯✊🏾💯✊🏾💯✊🏾

@wckoek 2 года назад

If I understand correctly, you record from direct out of each channel to the 16 track , mix on board then send it through bus to another tape machine? I am looking to buy a 8 track, but it seemed too little for tracking a band like you do.

@guerrillastudiosmanchester 2 года назад

That's correct. It is possible to use an 8 track. You just have to be selective about how you mic the band. For example you can get a perfectly good drum sound with only 3 mics. Leaving enough to for two guitars a bassist and vocals. 16 tracks makes it easy and 24-32 gives you options (sometimes too many). We find 16 to be a good number.

@wckoek 2 года назад

@@guerrillastudiosmanchester I've read that 1 track is allotted for time stamp, or was it disengageable? Looks like a Fostex G16 is a better buy than R8 aside fron 1/4" vs 1/2" tape cost, machines cost more or less the same nowadays.

@guerrillastudiosmanchester 2 года назад

@@wckoek Yes, one track is usually used for the timecode. However some machines are able to use a midi master clock of some kind. It would depend on the machine and console combination. We use the "Stripe the tape" method recording the timecode to a track on the tape. We find it's the easiest.

@luisfabian5995 Год назад

It is better to mix with protools than with tape with tape if there is a mistake you have to slice the tape with a blade and add the other piece with tape but in protools you do not have to slice tape in half

@guerrillastudiosmanchester Год назад

It is very true that when it comes to editing protools makes the job easier. However this ease comes at a cost and as a result the finished product will suffer which is why we choose to leave digital conversion until the very end of the process.

@Tibbon 2 года назад

What limitations on that console are you frustrated by? I'm considering getting a bigger and much fancier (and older, expensive, hard to maintain) MCI console from the 70's. But if the money doesn't work out, this might be a decent alternative.

@guerrillastudiosmanchester 2 года назад

To be honest nothing really frustrates me about the console. However we are using it in a very simple context. Mostly live tracking to 16 track tape. So the monitoring section isn't really used and the mixing we do is all fairly straight forward. I wouldn't use it with a digital interface, as its full of TS connections and noise from digital equipment (ground loop interference) finds its way through the circuitry. There are ways around it though. This seems to be the biggest gripe people have with this console but we're fully analog so it just isn't an issue. It'd be nice if the panning was automated. On the whole it's an absolute pleasure to use, it sounds fantastic and they're unbelievably good value for money.

@davidkellymitchell4747 Год назад

That console as well as many other boards are good for monitoring purposes which is important in operating a real studio. The norm now is using outboard preamps if you can't afford a large high end console but a good mixing console is a must when operating a session with many musicians. I owned one of these many years ago and it's a decent board. Recap it with modern capacitors and it's a workhorse. Had an MCI 416 and it has a very slow slew rate that makes drums sound mushy. Tascam 3500 is newer and better sounding. Had a Trident TSM that sounded great and finally a 32 channel API Legacy console that was awesome as well. The only thing I'm not crazy about on the Tascam 3500 is the channels are mounted in groups of 4 which is a pain while recapping. Not hard but takes more time to work on them.

@Tibbon Год назад

@@davidkellymitchell4747 You hit the nail on the head. Monitoring is what actually drove me here. I was sick of latency and outboard integration issues with my DAW. Working with multiple musicians was a headache for workflow. This fixes all of that. I'm replacing the majority of the audio path op-amps with API-like discrete op-amps, upgrading the VCAs and recapping anything that hasn't been done in the past few years. I'm also fitting it with new microphone input and output transformers as I can afford them!

@Tibbon Год назад

@@davidkellymitchell4747 I realize I skipped a thought here - I did end up getting a JH-528!

@davidkellymitchell4747 Год назад

@@Tibbon 👍

@kevinsmusicroom1362 2 года назад

Is the full mix posted anywhere

@guerrillastudiosmanchester 2 года назад

Yes, the final mix in full is available on our website guerrillastudios.co.uk

@kevinsmusicroom1362 2 года назад

@@guerrillastudiosmanchester what’s the song name

@harrisfrankou2368 2 года назад

Analog was actually far far easier...and much more fun actually. The band is just off in sounds, Made on Tape Channel does better on his Tascam 244 with 1/8th" Cassette. I'm not knocking the studio or mixer but they sound unrehearsed with really bad EQ prior to tracking.

@morbidmanmusic 2 года назад

most bands have no clue, and sound horrible under the mic. that is just reality. None of them ever ran a recording of a rehearsal... No amount of gear fixes that, and it's never analog vs digital.

@matthewhaggard9734 2 года назад

Where can you buy the tape these days

@guerrillastudiosmanchester 2 года назад

We get ours from Thomann they're one of the largest industry suppliers in Europe for studio equipment and we use them for cables, mics and most other studio accessories.

@mcsweet1966 2 года назад

Did you separate the 2 kick for a reason ?

@guerrillastudiosmanchester 2 года назад

Yes I believe the thinking on the day was to have independent control over the attack that the 2nd kick brings, with the ability to opt out later should we decide otherwise

@mcsweet1966 2 года назад

@@guerrillastudiosmanchester I`m talking about the 2 track far from one another on the mixer/tape. I use a logical setup and it as been the same for the last 30 years, my 2 kicks High and Low are side by side and I also keep the Bass beside them, so I was wondering if your choise as anything to do with the magnetic bleed that can sometime append on a media like tape and that having all the Low frequency instruments close to one another can have negatif effect. Thanks for your time

@guerrillastudiosmanchester 2 года назад

@@mcsweet1966 You're right. Crosstalk between tracks can occur and is something we keep in mind. However in this case the tracks are far apart simply because we intended to use only one kick mic but decided later that the kick needed a little more attack and placed the extra mic after the others.

@morenazo6412 2 года назад

I wish all the youngsters would watch this video to see how it's supposed to be done, instead of calling Fruity Loops a "studio"

@guerrillastudiosmanchester 2 года назад

The world would be a better place :D

@Polentaccio 2 года назад

@@guerrillastudiosmanchester I wonder though, is there any point in exploring hybrid? If you record alone, running your mics through some good pre into daw so that everything can be recorded separately then spitting the mix back into analog for final mix and compression/verb through outboard gear? Or is it pointless to go analog-digital-back to analog? How are you getting all individual tracks back out to your mixer from one set of reels for mixing?edit: I saw that it was a 16 track tape machine.

@guerrillastudiosmanchester 2 года назад

@@Polentaccio We used to run a hybrid setup and indeed found it pointless. It was okay.. but we found keeping the entire process analog and leaving any digital conversion to the very last step gives the best results. The tape machine has 16 inputs and 16 outputs, so the console has returns from each individual track on the tape machine.

@Polentaccio 2 года назад

@@guerrillastudiosmanchester Thanks that is what I thought. I was thinking maybe something like the new Tascam model 16/24 could be interesting but any basic editing is essentially done in the digital realm so you there as well are bouncing stuff between analog and digital when it comes to mix down. Seems to me it is quite an investment but you'd need a separate tape multitracker for the tracks and then a decent console to mix on before converting to digital at the very end. I really wish someone would come out with a console/analog recorder system for people who wanted to work the old way. Listening back to back on other shootouts, the hybrid difference may be minimal but where you go full analog vs digital for tracking and mixing, it is night and day. Analog just sounds better. Rounds off the top, reduces that compression fizz, and has more depth. It is undeniable.

@Spltheart 2 года назад

I completely agree, I’m 18, I want to learn how to use analog gear like this because for the most part analog gives a sound you can’t get with digital plugins

@ytb917 2 года назад

1.5" tape? doesn't exist. you must have meant 0.5".

@guerrillastudiosmanchester 2 года назад

Haha good spot. Can't believe we missed that typo! Might see if we can edit that out

@Borismill 2 года назад

This would work pretty well if the drummer didn't have awful timing. Put it in a DAW and fix him at least 50%.

@weareallbeingwatched4602 2 года назад

Or just send him off for six months metronome and hand technique practise. All those glitches and fluffs should be ironed out by the musician, and it will change how everybody in the band plays. It is not unlistenably bad, lots of records from the 70s have worse playing on them, but it's sloppy enough to sound annoying solo'd.

@Borismill 2 года назад

@@weareallbeingwatched4602 I agree, I would rather have a good player any day, because you also get better ideas, better dynamics, better at tuning drums, hitting the drums, etc. But sometimes life hands you lemons, and you gotta make lemonade in the DAW. I only record analog when the musicians are great

@morbidmanmusic 2 года назад

or stop fixing crap and learn to play. stop promoting engineer wet dreams. Stop fixing things. That is not the job. It's the one they pulled over your ears.

@weareallbeingwatched4602 2 года назад

@@morbidmanmusic In classical recording, note-fixing has been done on tape and in digital formats the same way. Digital has that bit more editing finesse, of course, but it's a fallacy to suggest that tape-splicing and audio montage weren't very common in the tape era.