The MK sent a notice of withdrawal to the electoral court on Wednesday, on Friday the Independent Electoral Commission sent an objection to the withdrawal. #MightiJamieTV
MK must be held accountable,you can't make accusations without providing proof in a court of law.IEC should lay a charge of slander against MK and firce them to show their "proof".
@@colinmitchell7200 The Zuma's wanted to cast doubt 🧐 on the IEC. The IEC must be vindicated from these accusations as if the electorate has any doubt of the process of the instruction it puts the Democratic process of the Republic of South Africa in grave danger.
Good talk. I agree people must be accountable for what they say. I just want clarification with certain decisions though. What happened when Malema said "Kill the Boer". I remember a white lady being severely punished I think in KZN for making a severe racist comment. But I can't recall how they handled Malemas comment. Can you please clarify that. I fully agree in no racism in our democratic country.
I agree with your analysis. Neither the IEC nor a Court of Law has the jurisdiction to force a litigant to persist with litigation that it wishes to abandon. The MK Party may be condemned in costs. It is good for the MK Party to move and gain crdibility. It can be a strong political party that would pose a serious challenge to the sitting administration.
Your arse , they are problematic. Their demands and manifesto was the most unrealistic and absurd. It would have been like going into the past and riding a donkey, not your Merc or my Gusheshe.
Mighti Jamie tv is advising MK party with a very real giant step of comment to be adhered to by the party in order to be reputable and strengthen our democracy positively moving forward more so that they are a members of parliament and we are looking forward from them to add valuable input into building our young democracy. This is positive comment to yield.
Dont think the UK & SA elections are comparable, given spatial planning and layout of the land. In majority UK urban population is organised, and we will closed need to look at VD setups, and voter setups. We also have to consider the actual party contesting and so forth. But as for fast turnout, definately worth commending.
@UhuruUhuru I think they should move on too but not because they don't have a case but because the system will never allow them to win. What's your reason for wanting them to move on?
@UhuruUhuru but as ordinary South Africans, it is important for us to know if the IEC is compromised and not independent as it should be. There are certain values and principles that must never be abandoned.
@@ntsokolomemani3874 They don't have any proof, they don't have a case stop with all these excuses. Who rigs the election and does get an outright majority?
Jamie. No disrespect but in this case I'm against you and your thoughts of MK moving on should have been kept in your head. People want to know if this IEC is an institution that can be trusted or not. MK must be given time and space to prove their claims
The mainstream media is not going to covert the MK events brother, ama boss wabo azo ba shaya. 😂 We can only depend on independent media and voices such as yours
If south Africans feel they can DEFEND IEC, then they will have to explain what was happening during 2hours of dashboard blackout and voting irregularities (voting station changes)
We need a combination of proportionate and constituency electoral system where President, Premiers, Mayor's and ward counselors are voted directly. However other counselors and Member of parliament or legislators we must use proportional electoral system.
I'm disappointed but not shocked that mainstream media ignored an important MK event like that. Whatever one thinks of them, it's not correct to ignore their event. But then again, what's new...the media is in the same boat as doctors during Covid...not reliable or of high ethical standards
When it comes to the question of how the opposition parties as a whole should proceed, I first and foremost am opposed to violence. There are ways to get your point across without resorting to that. What I disagree on, however, is who they should try to appease, cater to, convince, or rally for support from. The Labor Party in Europe, the movement which brought Obama into Presidency, the movement which empowered Mandela and his political partners, and all other instances in history where the opposition came into power to elicit great change did not happen because investors, those already in power, nor the elite of society were won over. The members of those groups almost always vote for the status quo because it is working for them. No, the way that the opposition comes into power is by being bold, by speaking up, by saying things that were previously only said “under the breath” or within friendly circles. Opposition comes into power when they have the backing and support of the ordinary people. What all opposition parties need to do going forward is NOT to worry so much about speaking nicely, and instead learn what the needs and demands are of the regular people, the middle and the poor class, and then speak directly to those issues. They need to become the voices of the people, direct, un fearful of speaking their truths, or of demanding for real, measurable change. If they can galvanize the ordinary citizens, which greatly outnumber the elite, they have a real chance in the future. It is the impetus of the people, not the politicians who bring change. Fire up your people, and there is nothing you cannot accomplish.
Electoral court should not think they will respond to MK's case via a Memo. A public court case is required. If response on allegations by the electoral court is going to a memo addressed to MK, Then MK must withdraw the case to show seriousness it deserves
The apartheid Security Police legal cost was full covered by the new democratic government, why there is a problem covering legal cost of former President?
My leadership, those apartheid crimes were committed as part of a machinery to oppress blacks. With JZ his case was one of self enrichment, personal gain. If he had made decision whilst in office in the execution of his official duties, the state would be compelled to cover his legal costs.
Why must we pay the legal fees of the parties .They are already living in luxury and don't pay for nothing ..Even the court cases why must we pay for them .They abusing our money .They have the rights to use their own money ..They all are billionares and millionares ..We the citizens some of us got no food on thebtable .Why must we pay .Thats not right at all .
I applaud you for picking up the faults of some parties and also giving them guidance on the way forward. We must be supportive of the politicians as they are attempting to govern our country but it is people like you that can set the records right.
Jammie, denying even one person their right to vote is a serious constitutional offense, iec was simply not prepared as a result eff and MK where highly prejudiced.
🤔 When is Naledi (News 24 Journalist) going to get her cow from JG Zuma that he promised her. He promised it to her in the interview they had when he vowed parliamen won't stand because of the MK fighting the results. 🤔
Jamie, what is your take on the coalition of ANC, DA and IFP in KZN because I think this is part of the issues that might cause MK to persuade a case like this. However, I do understand that the party has to move on. In a long run though what will happen to the people who voted the MK especially in KZN? I think MK should get it power back, right now they have no power and yet people want the party in power.
@@sanelisiweradebe8522 ANC came from back door of coalition in 2004 elections. IFP had more votes then ANC bribed UDM to form a coalition. Zuma was instrumental on the demise of IFP. Today he's crying foul MK getting more votes but the province is led 18% party instead of them MK with 45%
But Jamie, we can't move on when we KNOW we've been cheated. Speculation is one thing, but we know for a fact that the results we have didn't reflect on the dashboard.
You're hundred percent right on the matter of the media not covering MKs events. It's So very deliberate that they do so all of them are captured. We only depend on you guys on RU-vid n TikTok as you do a better job than the mainstream media
Mighty Jimmie! My input is that MK can't be forced to present their own case. They have identified the loopholes on their documents that can weaken their case. Remember if the noticied that they must correct before the court tells them they must be allowed. At one of our VDs in my area, a ballot box was opened somewhere outside the VD and was reported only after the Party Agents saw that. Now it tells you that something was not right. I fully agree with the move of MK
MKP should learn to use the court systems effectively. When they realised that elections were rigged, they should have immediately reported their case to the electoral court to prevent any technical losses. Maybe MKP should have its legal team that will permanently work with them to maximise their chances of success in every court challenge they lodge. The DA federal council has been very successful in their litigations because they have a group of brilliant minds that assist them in putting a solid case. In future, the MKP agencies in VD's should ensure that they capture all tallies on camera and also make sure that they are signed documents. I feel that some of MKP agencies didn't stay at the voting stations until the end to capture all the required information. I certainly agree that these elections were rigged but I think that the IEC may win it on technicality.
You must also cover the diffenet departments and compliment the leaders for making changes for the better. That will motvate them to do better. I listened to an article on the minister of environment and his plans for the future are fascinating where all linked departments will be forced to work together for the better of all South Africans.
To MJ's questions: 1. What do you think about the MK's withdrawal? 2. What do you think about the fine that was levied on the MKP members ? 3. What do you think the MK needs to do going forward to be taken seriously, as a political party in South Africa? 4. Do you think that South Africa needs a constituency based system? My take: 1. I think the MKP made a good decision to withdraw the case. I personally think it was unnecessary in the first place as it seems like they don't have the necessary evidence, additionally this has in a way painted them as a party that comes to the scene just to make distractions. 2. I think the levies were only fair, although the message conveyed by the members might have assisted in the legitimization of the MKP to be able to contest on the elections. 3. I think that the MKP has to, by all means avoid the stigma of being associated with violent retaliation as that will create a sense of instability and a lack of trust amongst electorates as well as investors. They also need to clear the notion that the MKP is a tribalist party, (although some of us understand that all political parties have their base). 4. I'm not quite sure about adopting the constituency based system, I feel like it would confuse a lot of people.
"Attackers and Advocating constitution abolitionism" is not true. Seeking to change the constitution is not tantamount to abolishing it. Unless perhaps I am missing your point? Viva 💚🖤💚🖤 Viva Nxamalala. Msholozi!
@dinganindlovu seems to ask do you believe the DA received second highest votes after so many black South Africans came out to vote in their own interest😢
The IEC cannot clear their name! Their head director was just arrested for embezzlement at her former employer! They are fighting a lost cause. They have a black spot on their name!
@@andujarpain2629 And that official is one person that's the black spot in the IEC. How many black spots are there in MK? According to your argument MK is in the same spot as MK.
Out of the issue.The issue is with the credibility of Iecl n its election result.And also don't forget,Janet Luv has got a dark cloud over her head since there strong allegations of her ringging DRC election. @@diepseunoconnell1466
Hai man it was strategic planning session guys.. not that it was elective conference or national conference.. it was their strategic briefing as they prepare for Parliament..
You could be correct on a opinion of moving on,at the same time you MK voters are not satisfied after putting a big fight worst with the situation and manner in which KZN government were set up MK not given a right to choose who to work with as a matter of principle similar to national level and Guateng. It might be good to accept and move on but if done recklessly it can tamper with trust and reliability to leaders.
But there are people who didn't vote at their stations after spending the long day standing for hours.They also have lawyers who advise them in these court cases.
@@fikileroma1478 Yes because they were informed about regulations that change,but they didn't obey to it, and now they blame IEC. And if you take that Into account, MK would be in a weaker spot, because that affected a lot of other parties as well,and they didn't want to vote for MK. So why cry?
The MK must think before they leap. It is crucial to help South Africa back on track again. We don't need people who are not meant to be in government. We must build and it is not easy as things have deteriorated. We must not allow any Vorm of corruption. South Africa is for all.
We can't move forward, without any disclosure of the list of state assets before 1994,...where did they go?...updating the constitution...why do we have black politicians who are billionaires??...as long as the voice of the people is suppressed,...the more they ask questions....the country needs honesty......
ZUMA is clever,what if this is the wey to speed up the hearing,never undermine the chess player,the chess player is very clever,he can act as if he's losing
They were supposed to be more careful about their credibility when complaining about elections was done in the first place, but what did they do, turned a blind eye and declared results.
But it’s not a GNU. If I call bananas plantains do they become plantains. It’s a multiparty coalition but the unity element is not satisfied considering the history and context of the academic usage of that term.
Jamie from your analysis in comparison to the UK election, you mentioned that they have about 65 million population and 40 million registered to vote but you never mentioned the turnout to vote on the election day
