“You can’t use a full size Glock because then you’d ignore the full size berettas. But you can use a compact Glock and ignore the berettas” is just about the most army thing I’ve ever heard 😂
I remember hearing this is also the reason the MK12 SPR has an 18" barrel. they wanted a precision 20" but the army said "nah we already got 20"ers, use the m16 barrels" so they came back and asked for 18"ers and it worked lol.
My cell in SFARTAETC, was one of the first to go through the whole course with Glocks, our unit purchased sim kits which allowed this to happen. Not having to manipulate a decocker is worth it's wait in gold after 3 months of intense cqb/markmanship. Gurwitch was one of the instructors at that time as well.
Cloning pistols issued to SOCOM in general and SF in particular is hard since the units have a very liberal idea of what constitutes "unauthorized modification". it is quite common to see a team of 12 dudes and none of their weapons are the same at all. Privately purchased sights, lights, magazine releases, slide stops, etc.
This goes for pretty much any rifle or pistol issued to SOCOM. Generally, cloners will either use contracted parts to clone an “average” gun of that type, or we’ll clone a specific rifle from one or more reference photos.
@@SunglassesatKnight88 like I said in the comment above, you can either build a clone based on a specific list of contracted parts, or you can build one based on a specific reference photo. So to answer your question, no.
when you refer to the DPP and zoom in on that Glock in a hard case, it's a Gen 5 G17. Those issued Gen 5 G17s have a special MOS cut that's direct milled for DPP and no rear sight dovetail, you have to use the DPP's provision to attach a rear sight to the optic.
Dang even regular gen 4 MOS 19s are hard to find these days! Sweet build. Not sure if I like the RMR or the Acro more in your new video. Great content man!
That’s because they’re now LE/Military only. Glock is pushing Gen 4’s to official use, and the public gets the Gen 5. Reason being is all the armorers in the agencies would have to be retrained, all inventories would have to be replaced, it’d create a nightmare. So only other way would be to find one in a LGS or private sale. Luckily, I got mine at a LGS and made a bootleg ripoff of a Mk 27 but I feel it’s a very accurate representation of one
The type of people to build a 5k rifle to shoot at an indoor range once a year, post a video on it, and tell you how inferior your build is compared to theirs
That is surprising considering the far East is considered the clone / counterfeit capital of the world. It's even funnier considering your videos of 12.5" Gordon knockoffs
My buddy is currently in Army Special Forces, and at least in his old unit, a CRF (an elite cadre of Green Berets who specialize in Direct Action (DA), Counterterrorism (CT), and Hostage Rescue (HR) missions), he/his unit used a G22 Gen3 with a Surefire X300 for suppressed missions, and had a G35 slide for unsuppressed operations…
Awesome walk thru - I build a Flux PDW from a P320 FCG and OEM barrel and slide and have a SiCo Omega 9K running on it. I also love SIG’s MOD-X9 and have a full length version running on a G19 with a Recover Tactical brace for a simile configuration. I prefer the Omega on the stouter PDW due to weight while the SIG can is stupid light on the other setup.
I spent many years as an NCO marksmanship instructor teaching rifle and pistol. It was quite easy to correct bad habits when it came to rifle but people seem to have this attitude that they’re still gonna do what they wanna do when it comes to shooting a pistol. They think they know better than the instructors. It’s no wonder their scores always sucked. There’s a reason there are only a few tried and trued ways to shoot a pistol if you want to make reliable hits. If you don’t learn them or you think your way is better, you will miss. My unit was squared away but we often had to run ranges and teach other units. I absolutely hated it. The people we tried to teach never adapted to the training well and never took it seriously. Nothing was learned and nothing was accomplished. It’s amazing but many people in the military don’t actually shoot, train with, handle, or own firearm in their private lives outside of the military. So they never get used to them. If you’re lower enlisted and live in the barracks, you can’t have a firearm. If you live on post in government housing, you can have a firearm but registering it with the Provost Marshall is a hassle. If there are any domestic situations and that gun is mentioned, you could be arrested and kicked out of the military. If you live off post, you can’t conceal carry back and forth to and from post, not since 9/11 anyway. You’re not supposed to. It’s a big mess. All these rules are in place. The people who are supposed to protect freedom are less free than everybody else.
@@durrtybuck8949 Starting to believe? That’s all they ever wanted. Young, dumb, obedient, strong, and brainless. When I finally figured out what was going on, 15 years had already passed.
In Finland we have had nearly identical Glock versions being sold since 2006. First Pro-versions were G17 Pro and G19 Pro gen 3 (I have one of early G17 Pro's). Threaded barrel (usually 13.5x1LH), maritime cups, extended slide lock, (-) connector. Major difference are sights, which are usually basic height Trijicon tritiums. Gen 4 was available both MOS and non-MOS. Gen 5 they didn't do Pro-version anymore, but threaded barrel version is being sold. I bought myself G19 gen5 threaded version in December and have Holosun 509T on it. I also have B&T Impuls II Compact suppressor.
What is a “Pro” version? Does it say “Pro” on the box or the gun as an official Glock designation or is that just a term that the finnish Glock importer decided on for the threaded barrel models?
The reason G19's in Finland all have threaded barrels is because without it, it goes into 'taskuase' ('pocket pistol') category by a few mm. I think it's because of Glock's different grip angle, since most other handguns of the same size don't need the threaded barrel to be okay (CZ P10C for example)
@@Bisley1 Pro isn't mentioned on the box or engraved on the pistol. I've been told they came from factory like this, per importer order.. Barrel is Glock original.
@@NP-cq3vb interesting. Glock had or has a similar thing in the US with import pistols. That is why the G26 comes with adjustable sights and the compacts and subcompacts have trigger serrations. Apparently there is some kind of check list that includes features and dimensions and each gun needs to tick so many, to still be considered a sporting gun and be imported into the US.
I built my Faux-land Special on the Gen5 G45 MOS platform. I have the Surefire 300U, Trijicon RDS HRS, CHWPS Leo/Mil v4 plate, Ameriglo tall suppressor set, and KKM barrel with comp.
Big clear glass windows with super crisp dot and edge to edge clarity. RMRs are very blue spectrum glass to get better battery life from a masked LED emitter and they have edge distortions. They are SUPER durable though. Each optic has its place.
@@InferiorRifles this, the service life/change interval is around half the standard cups and they have no appreciable benefit over the standard ones. If there's a difference under water i've never noticed it in testing. Maybe if the sample size was larger there would be. If you've got a pool handy try it, it's pretty fun. 9mm only goes like 4-8' underwater. I tried the oem maritime cups once(different 19) and they deformed after around 2,000 rounds to the point where it was jamming up the firing pin's movement.
Lowest bidder shit is real. In the 80s, Beretta and Sig were neck and neck for the big army contract. Big Army demanded a second round of bidding. Beretta lowered their price, while Sig opted not to. I'm sure the fact that SOCOM pays roughly $300 per Glock unit has something to do with the current armories. :)
The cost per performance for a Glock can’t really be beat. I’m betting you’ll start seeing m17/m18 replace SOCOM Glocks as they fall out though. From an acquisition stand point they’re “free” to SOCOM from big army so they won’t have to buy glocks with unit funds. And from the factory they can do all the stuff these SOCOM Glocks do. Optics plates, modular grips, mag wells, threaded barrels. All user serviceable and changeable.
I have a G19.4 with an RMR, Trijicon suppressor sights, threaded factory barrel, Surefire X300U and an OSS Rad9 silencer and I discovered that Glocks are trash suppressor hosts. All my USP tactical, P30, MK23 and VP9 tactical optics ready pistols don’t give me a single issue though. Such a shame as I think very highly of Glock and see them as the best value semi auto pistol ever made. Cool video though.
I saw one of these upclose in Jordan carried by a MARSOC dude. I was pissed bc I had a basic issue M9 in a Milt Sparks summer special with two spares stuffed in my pocket and he had this bad boi in an appendix holster with mag side saddle.
I've heard of team guys using Glocks. Most that I've heard talk about it, say they prefer the Glock over the Sig they'd typically carry, but that they've jumped back and forth between both over the years.
I feel like this is sort of a production version of Pressburg’s Roland Special. Minus the comp of course. I actually have one of the Glock metric thread Gen 4 barrels. I wish it was the 1/2” though. For the sake of interchangeability Also, still using an old TiRant 9
I've heard from different sources that the 14.5mm barrel is superior over the 1/2×28 one because it doesn't back out when firing. Have glocks with both types, never noticed a difference between them. Neither has backed out even the slightest. 🤷♂️ But honestly, it's just a swap of the actual piston. AFAIK, it's really just a preference/ availability thing. OEM threaded barrels for glock are rather rare for any model, and most after markets use the standard threading. Also, if you're looking for a standard threading barrel, Bear Creek Arsenal and Brownells make pretty solid barrels that are budget friendly... at least they were when I bought mine.
@@lincolnpascual interesting observation. I happened to stumble over the thing on GemTech’s website one day and jumped on it. Now I just wish there more available for the Glock 48
@@gtcam723 48... hmm. Is the locking block for the 48 different from the 19? I don't have a 48, so I can't compare, but if you have both models, you should check it out. I know 17 and 19 barrels aren't cross compatible because the lock blocks are different, but glock makes most of their numerous models cross compatible with other models of similar size... 9mm and 40 cal barrels are interchangeable, 380 and 357, and i think the 10mm and 45 are also interchangeable (but i might be wrong about that one. I've don't the 40cal/9mm swap numerous times across 17 and 19 frames, so i know those for sure work. Look into it though, maybe you get lucky and can use a 19 barrel in your 48?
@@gtcam723 oh damn. That's a bummer. Well, if the usual sites don't have em, ebay sometimes does. There are a bunch of reputable custom barrel shops that sell on ebay. It's a hit or miss thing though in availability. Best of luck finding one. Every time i sell a sale on barrels, i try to buy at least a couple, just to have spares for other builds or replacements. Wish i could help further.
i own a factory Glock 19 Gen 4 MOS with factory threaded barrel. It was advertised as US made barrel the half by 28. However, found out while the Glock is US made (US and Georgia marked) the barrel is OEM metric 13.5x1LH. Sportsman guide saod that run was part pf government contract that fell through.
Couldn’t get cleared for full sized pistols? They existed. Gen 3 22’s w/ Dawson precision adjustable sights and the OG tan .40 mags with the +1 baseplate.
Those were used exclusively by JSOC and were purchased at a unit level, therefore they didn't need approval from big Army. The MK27 program was for all of SOCOM, therefore it did.
@@JEJAK5396 2012 RRC and regiments sniper sections had been using Gen 3 glock 19’s and 22’s for a few years before that. 22’s being more prevalent. Probs because of JSOC. But they existed.
The reasoning behind the choice of a compact pistol is almost as annoying as the compact pistol itself. This setup would be so much more attractive on a G17 or G34.
Im honestly surprised they went with the sig suppressor. I'm sure the modularity is nice but the durability, low maintenance and versatility of the omega 9k is hard to beat IMO.
Silencerco was not taken seriously by DOD. They are considered a niche commercial supplier, whose facilities, funding, production and supply capability are marginal at best.
What differs this one from glock 45 mos threaded barrel? Its a 19 frame with a 17 lengh barrel. I just picket mine up and stumbled upon this vid by chance.
So I work on these in a socom unit and I have yet to see a threaded barrel on any of them. the majority of glocks being used in a ODA are stock G19s and G17s (gen 2-3) with the exception of a few with RMR cuts that can be done at your local machinist. modifications are made later by the individual so if you wish to do a clone you can purchase a stock G19 or G17 and have a clone.
So what are they using as a holster system for this setup? Apart from the Crye Gun Clip and a few dorky "gAmE cHaNgEr" holsters put out by a few random companies, I've yet to see what I'd consider to be THE hoster solution to suppressed pistols. Anybody know?
I have seen photos of a data matrix engraved on the bottom of the trigger guard of a MK27, although I don’t know exactly when that change was implemented. As for the slide, there are no differences in the markings though it should be mentioned that the Mod 2 is made in the USA (as opposed to Austria).
I personally wouldn’t try to holster this with the suppressor attached. End users will typically attach the suppressor after drawing the pistol from the holster, assuming they choose to carry the suppressor in the first place.
Awesome information, you got yourself a new subscriber. Do you know what the SOCOM maintenance looks like? I’ve been seining this information out for a long time with little success but have some more maybe someone knows the answer to. I’m sure when they train they are putting hundreds of rounds down range a day; do they clean them daily? What do they use to clean and lube?
As with all US military small arms, they will typically be cleaned after every shooting session or exposure to the elements if/when possible. They may not necessarily need to be cleaned that often, but the military takes a uniform approach to weapon maintenance for the most part.
Generally speaking, users don’t holster a suppressed pistol. They would carry the suppressor in a separate pouch and attach it as needed after drawing the pistol from a standard holster, which would vary anywhere from a Blackhawk Serpa to a Sarfariland 6004 or a more modern ALS model
@@50shadesofcerakote I’m aware, but I wouldn’t consider the ragnarok-sd a “duty” holster. The pistol isn’t secure enough, Lucas himself has said this much
I hate the light sticking out in front. I rather have it flush. And I like the aftermarket slides that lighten it up and it needs a stipple job. Make the guns easier to shoot honestly.
I prefer to have the light sticking out. It’s a good stand off device. Just in case if an intruder or assailant gets too close, you could press it against them without pushing your slide out of battery. That way you won’t have a dead trigger.
I’ve only heard of older STI 2011’s being used by Delta, though the US Marshal SOG Team now uses a Staccato P Duo with a Delta Point Pro and Surefire X300U.
I’m sorry man but XDs are absolutely terrible guns. They don’t meet the MRBS or MRBF of any contract I’ve ever seen. Which is why they’re not purchased by any units and they’re not allowed for most LE departments that follow the testing.
@@jamesgarrison5546 I've never heard or seen anyone ever have any issues with XDs. hell, you can fire 45 Super out of an XD with slight modification. Something I'm pretty sure you can't do with Glock, at least not long term. Also, the requirements for a contract doesn't have to completely do with durability or accuracy. I imagine a lot of units just don't want a grip safety especially because honestly, LE caters to the lowest common denominator of recruits.
@@GPOLICE I'm not one to not admit when I'm wrong and would concede if proven wrong. That being said, Yeager is a moron and a hypocrite. The man bitches about how 1911s are obsolete junk and than goes to a factory where they make 1911s and praises the company.
Right? The light? Ok....the threaded barrel and suppressor? Meh not sure. I honestly never got the point of pistol suppressors. They still make a pretty decent noise unless you are using subsonic ammo.....
After watching this I’m kicking myself in the ass my first pistol which I traded for a g17 and sig320 was a factory threaded barrel glock gen 3 I got $500 off Both pistols wham I added in a bolt gun
*Roland Special. And not really, the key feature of a Roland is the compensator, which the MK27 doesn’t have. It’s just like any other Glock with a red dot and a flashlight.
@@DocMitchell69 I prefer Gen 4 is immensely because of the grip texture and recoil spring. I also love the finger grooves. Which is why I purchased as many gen 4S as I can get my hands on after the Gen 5 came out. So many idiots were dumping theirs just to get a Gen 5. Also New Gen 4 was going to be going away after Gen 5 got popular.
@@napalmstickylikeglue Oh yeah, I think the Gen 4 was a massive improvement on the Gen 3. My fingers are juuust too fat to fit in the finger grooves comfortably, but the mag release was a perfect addition for my short and fat thumb. All in all, I think they should’ve just made the Gen 4 with and without finger grooves to appeal to both parties. But of course in classic Apple like fashion, Glock had to milk their pistols as much as possible with incremental changes.
Really? That's crazy because I have the complete opposite preference. I own them both and enjoy shooting them but I always grab a 17 before I leave the house.
@@reachblowsdick7222 lol. Well I've heard they fixed that problem. I also don't care i never drop my firearms lol. And I run the sig 320 they had a recall on trigger and they allegedly fixed it. Although never tested it lol
@@bryansmith94 - I'm sure they did but there's still post 2018 upgraded P320 having accidental discharges and I'm not going to risk finding out the hard way, especially with so many other better options on the market.
