MLB Pitching Crisis, Cards' John Mozeliak on the hot seat? | Ken Rosenthal 

AJ is 100% right about developing pitchers in Minors better.

The pitching problems are perfectly equated to a simile sort a. If you drive a 1998 Honda Accord daily, you can drive it hard everywhere, RPMs 5000+, & sooner rather than later, the engine will be destroyed because of the engine mechanics. Physics. When Pitchers are 100% Max Effort for RPF on curveball & 100% Max Effort on every fastball as well. Sooner rather than later, the body, the UCL or Shoulder Ligaments, will snap sooner. Arm mechanics being horrible doesn't help either, Giolito, Strider, terrible arm mechanics for UCLs.

Since the 2000s we have limited innings for pitchers. This has resulted in NOTHING. It's not the innings. It is throwing max effort and spinning the ball to the max that is doing this.

Mo has had his chance to put his guy in place to make this team successful several times. If Oli is gone, Mo shouldn't get another shot at it. He needs to be gone as well

I had always wished Terry Pendleton would be the Cardinals manager at some point. They had been looking at him to replace La Russa, way back when he left long ago.

In the off-season, the Cardinals added to their rotation, but they added a 2, a 4, and a 5. They needed a 1, a 2 and a 4. Or two 2's and a 3. Sonny Gray is a great addition, but Gibson and Lynn is just more of what they already had. The Cards should have signed Gray, Montgomery and Rodriguez if they truly wanted to compete. Or traded for Burnes, along with the Gray and Gibson signings. Lynn is a fringe pitcher now. Can't count on a guy like him if you're trying to compete for the playoffs...

In order to pitch at least 6 innings, you’d have to be pitching well. The bigger issue is injuries & careers cut short due to the insane number of innings in high school & college.

I like the idea of losing your DH in certain circumstances. Perhaps if the starting pitcher does not pitch 6 full innings you lose the DH and that pulled pitcher hits😁 (unless they are injured). Maybe with the caveat that you can replace the pitcher if he is past say, 100, pitches or behind by X runs. I also wish that teams would get past the 100 pitch max idea for everyone. For example: A guy pitching a no hitter in the 7th but has 100+ pitches should not be pulled. I am a Dodger fan but Doc pulling a pitcher in the 7th with 70 pitches is infuriating. It will be interesting to see how they fix this (I have zero confidence in Manfred so we shall see).

devalueing one thing will most likely increase the value of another though

You know why the shift worked is because analytics, cause they only cared about HR's and launch angle. So guys didn't learn to hit up the middle and the other way anymore. They didn't care about averages anymore and the teams stopped worrying about Strike outs anymore

There is no fix. Unless somebody has a time machine. The strikezone is too small so taking a little velo off your pitches will lead to pitchers giving up more runs. You cannot be a successfull finesse pitcher in 2024 with a zone this tiny and with batsman this strong.

Mo's retiring in '25 or '26, so it wouldn't be too far out of the realm that he retires a year early. Extending Oli was a dumb idea though, he's not being held accountable for how he runs the team. I still think there's a lack of leadership there. Look at the 2011 team, they had good leadership in Pujols, Yadi, and Wainwright vs this team that just seems dead. I also don't get why you're hiring a manager with 0 minor league/major league managerial experience. There's decent managers that are probably going to be gone, most likely Schumaker, Cora and there's other managers like Girardi, Kapler and Ross who aren't managing atm. (I'm not saying that hiring any of them is a good idea though).

Ken should get in touch with Nolan Ryan and ask him

Lets keep it simple, limit the number of pitchers on the roster to 10. Then let the teams figure out how they are going to handle the starting pitching. Remember back in the 70s when closers pitched 2 or 3 innings, guys like Fingers, Gossage.

The first issue is that it's not on the league to save the pitching. It's on the teams. The teams are the ones that caused this issue. They wanted disposable hard-throwing pitchers. They got exactly what they asked for; and now it's biting them in the rump roast. And these new rules suggestions are ridiculous. Just have the pitchers not throw so hard. Maybe that's the way the league can help. Have penalties for teams that have pitchers that throw over a certain speed? Or something to that effect.. The goal is to have pitchers stay healthy!!

Why don't the analytics geeks plug into their computer why starting pitchers in the sixties, seventies and eighties could throw 200 plus innings, and now pitchers seldom throw more than 150 innings? What is the cost to the team when they are paying a pitcher millions and millions of dollars, and they can't pitch? How much value is there to have a pitcher on the injured list?

Is there a podcast that does a poorer job of getting all the participants volume levels equal?

Pitchers are getting hurt more than ever, even with innings limits and pitch count limits. Pitchers are going to get hurt regardless of how many pitchers or innings they throw. Take a look at overuse injuries in youth baseball. Innings limits and pitch counts came about after so many pitchers were getting hurt, and they were limited by the trainers and doctors on how many pitches and innings they could throw.

Mozeliak MUST go!! His time is now

Until the ethos around throwing 1000 mph on every pitch goes away, this isn't going to change

Simple. Fire Every team strength coach, trainer, pitching coach and analytics guy. Go back to what they did in the 70s thru 90s. Less injuries more innings.

Decreasing the number of relievers that a team can hold at once is a easy step in the right direction. SP are TOLD by their manager to throw harder because they got a bunch of relievers waiting in line. Remove that and you would have managers telling SP to lower the speed and stretch it out, because nobody is there to relieve them.

Cardinals will have some good pieces at the deadline

Listen to Ken and don’t hire Bloom because his evaluations are terrible

expand the bullpen and have no starting pitchers anymore, adjust how pitching wins are earned I guess...

Cardinals need to hit the reset button. it's time. not tanking just a reload and fresh perspective

Are we going to have new rules every season now????Is Baseball going to be something completely different every year now ??? WTF with all this stupidity.

One thing they can do immediately is to change the minimum inning requirement from 5 to 6 innings to qualify for a win as a starting pitcher. This will motivate pitchers to learn the art of pitching vs throwing hard and this goes to what AJ was saying about development in the minors.

F the pitch clock

Let Bauer back in the league.. Blackballing an innocent man is not right..

When SP exits, the DH comes out.

Why no one is talking about balls?

Even bigger challenge-trying to reduce SP injuries while having them throw more innings. Getting rid of the DH would help. I know it’ll never happen, but still… Think about facing Baltimore in say 1970. If Mark Belanger was hitting 8th, with the pitcher up next you knew you had two weak hitters in a row. You could pitch at 75-85%.

99% of Cardinals fans want Mo and his staff' gone!!

Why remove DH? MLB would literally get rid of the their most marketable athlete - Ohtani. Dumb idea!!!

Mozeliak isnt going anywhere as long as the Dewitts own the team. He's been awful for several years now.

Ken just went way above the head of the panel… operating on a higher plane

All this show does is whine about the state of the game. You whine about umpires, you whine about analytics, you whine about why today isn’t as good as twenty years ago, all season long you whine about wanting more changes. The sport is exciting. Watch Ohtani, watch Imanaga, watch the Orioles. I don’t care if Ken is upset that guys don’t go 8 innings anymore. Good pitchers get paid. Aces still exist. They now throw harder and have more stuff than they did years ago. Do you also want steroids back? Those were a thing back in the day. You guys are exhausting. If you had one segment here and there discussing this, fine. I get it. But it’s daily. Ken has really become just another old curmudgeon and players do what players do best: whine. Imagine any other business in the world saying, “hey, let’s remove analytics (aka INSIGHTS) and just go in blind because lol why not.” Absolute clowns