Those who are concerned about getting hit attempting the takedown. It's okay to take a few hits if you can come back from it. Nothing is perfect. One way or another, you'll get hurt attempting the takedown. Amazing grappler like Ken shamrock was never afraid of getting hit. He was dead set on going for the takedown. Because he knew he'd be able to gain a great advantage from taking down.
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True, though I must confess I still fear knee strikes on my face, some years of karate made me those fears against going down with my head.
Rayn Loo exactly . I trained krav and people would say what if this or that happens . Our instructor was very honest and realistic . Yes chances are u may take a hit or some damage it’s a fight but it’s a small price to pay then to give up your life .
Yeah, a punch to the face can be delt with if im gaining better advantage. But a knee to the face? That makes me more nervous! Im not sure I could come back from that.
According to the law of conservation of energy the Gravitational Potential Energy used to damage the attacker has to have been transferred by the mechanical energy from you. So technically its still you hitting them
@@theshermantanker7043 well you're attacking horizontally while after the takedown the force of gravity adds onto that force so actually the ground will hit harder
TheShermanTanker that’s wrong. Potential energy is already there. The impact is caused by the kinetic energy that is transferred by the potential energy.
Thanks for your several repeats could I hear the audio too well but I appreciate you showing up multiple times at different angle. In this case speed is important factor here right.. I seen this little 135 lb muscle kid with speed dive right from under a 185 pounder flipping him over.. the guy didn't know what hit him that was some surprise move.. I wish I could forward you a video but that's kind of hard on RU-vid but as you know it's a common move in wrestling.. thanks so much for the video really appreciate the instructions
That seems like a folk style wrestling takedown with both competitors in the south paw, right leg forward staggered stance of a wrestler with the elbows tight and set up is pure wrestling as no one is reaching for shoulders in MMA with punching their way into a clinch. In MMA 90 % of the fighters will be left leg forward in a traditional boxing stance with different weight distribution for leg kicks and set up the takedown off a punch often driving the forehead into the abdomen, scooping the knees or placing the head on the inside like you would on a single swinging the legs to the left ala GSP. Traditional double with head on outside cutting the corner and dropping to the knee can work but they must be timed perfectly and the Corner must be cut quickly, really driving hard into to your opponent to avoid his guard and ultimately the guillotine choke which, especially in the early days when Folk and freestyle wrestlers had not yet learned bjj or at least how to transition from a boxing/Muay Thai hybrid stance, with weight distribution to avoid the low kick and learn to shoot off the Right leg in back rather than in the lead. The wrestlers and judokas who did not strike from the south paw stance but had to switch to it to takedown their opponents should have spent a few weeks (which is all it really takes to start the transition process to becoming a left leg forward take down artist). Without being good at wrestling in the same stance that you use when striking, your takedown in MMA will suck because it will be slow and the punches and great set ups. If you can shoot a double off a lead hook, jab or overhand right the punch (it should be a real punch that does damage if it lands and you should throw it with commitment a few times to sell your opponent on the danger of the strike and then strike while moving in and immediately change levels while still looking your opponent in the eye so that as you move into range to punch, you are simply getting under his hips in 1 smooth motion while step through his base, upsetting his balance and taking him down as he moves to avoid the punch. That way if he back pedals or slips and comes forward he’s in trouble either way. If you have a good leg attack, you cannot shoot from a distance like you used to against cans. Therefore, if you can’t change levels deceptively, you are better off closing the distance and going for under hooks and a body lock with your hips in and lower than your opponent’s so you can effectively set up an upper body throw. If you end up in a pummel and are unable to throw with under hooks, over under or over hooks then your clinch is defensive and better for distance strikers to use to get back at range. If you intend to clinch their should be an immediate bad situation that you create for your opponent. Recently, with a few exceptions, I haven’t seen any dominant clinch work either with respect to high quality Greco Roman, Muay Thai or Judo where guys are getting high amplitude throws which is something that should change because very few guys can defend against a guy with a superior clinch game. Now the striking and grappling often cancel each other out and the fights look like slow boxing matches unless you have Hi little wrestling like John Jones or Chimaev. There are a few others but they need ti use it. MMA striking Has gotten much better but still a far cry from good boxing and Muay Thai. Obviously there’s a lot more going on but I think that in 20 years from now we will see guys Like wonder boy a lot more often. His striking is elite. I’ve never seen anybody with better striking in MMA As far as footwork timing and range
I have one question. First of all, i have no ground game, i have literally no idea of brazilian jiu jitsu. But i am training muay thai and kickboxing for quite a while. For me, the most natural thing to do when your head moves downwards is to give you a knee strike right to the face. As far as I understand, knee strikes are generally legal in MMA. So how do you prevent this from happening? Is it simply being fast or is there a way to dodge it? Im really curious here.
DerTeke it really is a matter of timing. A telegraphed double leg can be easily countered with a knee, an uppercut, and even a guillotine choke which is why the setup to the takedown is the most important aspect of the shot when trying to apply the technique in a live scenario. Whether you set it up with strikes in an MMA fight or a technically sound set up in a wrestling match, to have any success with this takedown, proper timing and the setup into the takedown is what will prevent the counter. The is a counter to any technique you can attack with but setting up the attack and timing it correctly is where the mastery really lies.
Hey, sorry for my late response, i really appreciate your answer. Thanks a lot. I think i have to give MMA or BJJ a try one day to understand it better. I have never trained with an MMA fighter before. Thanks a lot! Greetings from Germany!
I have learned, that before the takedown there needs to be some sort of setup. So when you throw a fake jab the opponent usually brings hands up, or you could end up in glinch after few punches, so there's an opportunity for the takedown.
well the reality of this is, you can't be sure that your knee 100% will be on his face with sufficient impact damage especially when he's rushing your balance to the backside in some ways, and of course, you can't be sure the knee won't miss at all or won't be blocked at all. All these three factors urge you to be aware of other options of counter and defense other than purely pushing your luck with the knees. FIrst factor is so important as a matter of timing and endurance when you are paired with pro fighters (if you are indeed considering being a pro in the near future), simple thing to be honest, knees that don't do significant impact or is half-blocked in anyway will be totally nothing to pro fighters 99% of the time, as long as they remain balanced. So consider those factors carefully.
Awesome vid as always! Quick question, anyone know how those takedowns work in a "real" scenario, or rather: How would it be for the knee on hard ground? I am new to MMA and I am wondering how the knee would feel after that, given it has to be used outside of the gym/ring where the ground are a bit kind to our legs. Not that I intend to go around picking fights, but as we all know we can't always choose when to fight!
I think this alot too. Shooting for the takedown is quite hard thing and takes lots of time to learn. I haven't mastered it either but learning the right and most efficent way to shoot has it's benefits. I tend to shoot down, so my knee hits the mat quite hard. That's why i'm drilling to shoot more forward, so the knee won't hit the ground so fast. It's hard to explain, because i'm still learning it myself.
I found that getting a very low squat to the ground helps quite a lot to avoid the knee slamming on the ground. Getting the takedown from a less low position gives the knee a higher falling point, therefore adding onto the impact once it hits the ground. Definitely work on getting into a low squat.
Σπαρτιάτης Εθνικιστής thank you for your question. When training MMA it is highly recommended to train each martial art individually and at its purest form before attempting to blend all the arts into your own individualized MMA game. With that said in this video we are keeping the traditional mechanics of the wrestling double leg takedown which includes dropping your knee over your toe to ensure deep penetration through your opponent's base and force him to move backwards. In a strictly wrestling scenario the knee drop is essential to get low enough your opponent's already low stance and force momentum completely through his established base. However, in MMA you are more upright so dropping the knee to get underneath your opponent is not entirely necessary and staying in a low squat after the initial lunge does ensure you don't get trapped too long under your opponent once he sprawls. Against the cage is a scenario where the knee drop is a better bet as his SPRAWL is nullified by the cage behind him. But in the middle of the cage, in an MMA contest (contrary to a strictly wrestling contest) dropping the knee is not always a necessity. The dropping of the knee will, however give you a significant increase of penetration if timed correctly which will in turn lead to a deeper shot compromising his base further. Every inch counts but the dropping of the knee is a choice you can make on your own to achieve the desired result depending on the location of the attempt inside the cage (in an MMA fight).
Just remember that there is more than one way to take an opponent down. In BJJ there are numerous variations of the same techniques such as take downs, arm lock set ups, guards and sweeps. However with that said your instructor has a valid point. But distance is also another factor as well as to what take down you'd want to use. When you get a chance look up Gracie Jiu Jitsu double leg take down and watch how Rener and Ryon Gracie show it. Hopefully this will shed some light on your question.
Matthew Lloyd try aiming to take that first step with the lead foot and placing it in between his feet (or at least the line of your big toe passes the line of the big toe of his lead foot). Now when you drop your knee directly forward over your rooted lead foot, your shoulder pressures into his mid section so your opponent is forced to move backwards compromising his base. Let me know if this helps. If not, we can discuss further.
yağız yalçıntaş this video focuses on the technical details of the takedown itself. With this move, as with all takedowns, there are numerous setups from which to enter and penetrate your opponent's base. The setup will be determined from the positioning of the opponent. In a situation where you are getting punched in the face...don't let him punch you in the face. All joking aside, if your opponent is initiating a punch or punch combinations, he will most likely be standing much more erect than the normal wrestling stance so beating his first line of defense (hands and arms) will primarily be a matter of level changing. But if u were to engage his arms before the level change, you will need to use your best judgement in deciding how redirect the trajectory of his hands to eventually get them out of the way and then enter with the takedown. In mastering the art of takedowns the first riddle you must solve is the setup. Setups and the many different kinds of setups is a subject that needs it's own series of detailed instructions. In conclusion, please use this video as a detailed layout of the takedown itself as there are many different ways to set it up depending on the positioning of your opponent (what we call "the look he's giving you") as mentioned priorly. Thank you for watching the video and hope this reply sheds some insight on the double leg takedown. Again, first and foremost...don't let him punch you in the face.
yağız yalçıntaş you can't always shoot for takedown. You can find the openings for takedown in a clinch or when stuck to the cage. Another way to setup a takedown is with a strike, like a feint jab
I learned in a south paw stance which is practically a orthodox for striking but whatever you need to learn how to drop the knee and slide the other leg around when your in the opposite stance or going for the opposite leg
PizzaWarrior2013 nah, no one would go for the uppercut... the mild damage an upper cut will do as opposed to what they face if they take down succeeds and doesnt go the defenders way... hence the sprawl.. you ever been slammed before?
Cory Lahey not true at all. Uppercuts are a striker's best friend vs a wrestler. A missed knee will get you taken down, but your arm will still be in position to fight for underhooks if you miss an upper cut. Also, it isn't so much about damage, a small strike (like a jab when someone steps forward) can halt forward momentum, and on top of that, much of the damage will come from their own forward movement. And, like I said, if the uppercut misses a bit, or doesn't stop them, you can still sprawl and fight for underhooks.
sounds good in theory, but anyone can say any rhetorical come back for anything.. i could play along and say okay i'll watch for the uppercut, fake the double leg and step through for a suplex. but that gets no one anywhere.. i'm open to seeing evidence of uppercuts actually being a strikers best friend though if you can think of any fights off hand for me to check out.. and i also feel you may have interpreted my reply as more sport specific , i was being very general. in a sport? perhaps i'd go for the uppercut cuz even if he does get the take down that's not the end of the world.. but outside sport fighting? even in a backyard bout, i wouldn't want to risk the uppercut... i'd focus on sound take down defense and work the striking from a better position.. last thing you need is a hip replacement cuz you thought you were slick and got slammed ruthlessly.. good answer man, most people react with hostility hahaha
PizzaWarrior2013 Thats what they thought untill 1994. then royce gracie showed strikers that your deck is not complete if you don't have jiu jitsu. Watch the first 4 UFCs
No they'd most likely try the knee. Remember that even if they tried the uppercut it would be enough since most people's reaction to clinch is to either hold the opponents shoulders or guard their head.
