Mobil oil filter cut open M1-102A vs M1-102 

I was wrong Mobil oil filters are now made by Mann and Hummel. Mr. Szw........ Thank you for being a Mobil customer. Our filters are made by Mann Hummel. Their phone number is 800-526-4250 ​ Thank you for choosing Mobil, Tony Mobil Help Desk Team If I can help further with this inquiry or with any other questions, please respond to this email or phone us 1-800-ASK-Mobil If you would like to provide feedback on your experience with us today, please email feedback@ourserviceworks.com On Tue, 18 May at 5:26 PM , Poker4me007 wrote: Form Data First Name: Peter Last Name: Szw........ Company: Email address: Poker4me007@aol.com Phone Number: 413568 Product Name: Mobil 1™ Extended Performance Oil Filters Question: Can you tell me if Champion Labs still make your oil filters? Thank You, Pete.

I've been using Mobil 1 filters on all my vehicles ever since a Fram rusted rusted a hole and almost ruined an engine. The extra canister thickness is important if the filter stays on for 1 year. Great product, worth the extra $

I like the old Mobil 1 filter with the upper bypass valve and the thicker can. Much better box also

Great work and thank you to the viewer who suggested.

Thank you for your attention to details .

The older one looked to have a Motorcraft design... Good video Whip

I am not a mobil 1 fan but the newer mobil 1 had improved features. Step in the right direction. Good video. Keep up the comparisons.

Right now, I have in front of me a Supertech 10,000 mile ST4967 and a Mobil1 20,000 mile extended performance M1-103A oil filter for my 2001 Toyota Echo with 208,000 miles. I'm the original owner. BOTH boxes state 99% efficiency, filtering particles greater than 30 microns. I trust either filter.

As expensive as they are, I would want to see a fully synthetic filter media!

I hate the GLUE all over the filter media & end caps..

Years ago the Mobil1 Extended was Identical to the Bosch Premium. Both were 99% at 25 microns if I remember right. 99.2@30. This was 6-10 years ago. Top notch at the time.

The Mobil 1 filter seems like a good solid filter, with a great base plate. But I think there are slightly better filters for the money.

From watching your other videos, i think i would go with a Premium Guard filter. The build quality looks so much better than these.

Good test. Thanks

They changed it again. I’d love to see a comparison because the new one is shorter and has fewer threads

champion labs made the old mobil 1 filters and I believe the new ones are made by purolator

Thanx

big thanks for this video it is truly appreciated, I am really disappointed by their build quality, pleats that are not straight and not evenly spaced, and excess glue, well I think that next time I will buy something else, have a suggestion for a new video, I like to see, a BOSCH D3325 Distance Plus Oil Filter against a BOSCH 3325 Premium Oil Filter, both of those filter fit a 2001 Toyota Celica GTS, thanks !!

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At what temperature does the glue begin to melt and mix with oil?

I like my Fram Ultra Syn 99% @ 20 microns.

Older non annual protections filter was or A was 25 micro at 99% .

How are you doing great video

The newer version looks cheaper in construction.

I like the thread end bypass and holes in the core tube on the 102 made by Champion. I haven’t really been impressed with the Mann+Hummel lineup recently which is the newest maker of the 102a.

The older one looks like the AC Delco unit & the newer one looks like Mann& Hummel

I think the old version was 20microns.... based on some I read....

Aside from a few extra pleats, I don't see anything obvious that would allow the 20,000 mile filter to run twice as long as the older version. Either there is a significant difference in the filter media, or the bypass valve rated PSI, or it's mostly smoke & mirrors and we're wasting our money spending extra money on a 20K filter. Let us not forget the old days when it was standard practice to replace the oil filter at every other oil change. There must have been some logic to that. Or perhaps the newer recommendation to change the filter at every oil change is just clever marketing from the oil filter manufactures, and that is why there is no big differences between these two filters (in the review above). To me it would seem like the useful life of the oil filter is going to be directly proportional to how much junk it filters out of your engine, and that has as much to do with engine condition as the change interval. Once the filter fills up with dirt, it's going into bypass mode, and is useless and doesn't filter the oil. As a driver, you have NO idea of how often, or how long, the bypass valve is activated. I've seen thousands of used paper cartridge filters (no outside can), and I can tell you that it is extremely rare to see one that is obviously plugged up so badly that it is likely to activate the bypass valve. My best guess is that most oil filters are disposed of long before the end of their useful life, and that's exactly what the oil filter manufactures want. And, from a consumer standpoint, you want to replace your filter before it gets clogged up, but not more often than necessary. One other possible explanation for an oil filter to last longer, is if the bypass valve of the 20K filters opens at a higher pressure than the valve of a 10K filter. This is just conjecture on my part, but think about it. If an oil filter requires a higher pressure before the bypass valve starts working, then it is forcing more dirt into the filter, possibly making it last longer. Look at it another way. If the bypass valve is opening up during normal operation, the filter is too clogged up, and no longer useful. But, if the bypass valve opens up at a higher pressure, and the engine can supply the higher pressure, it's going to force more oil into the filter media, thereby extending the life of the filter. Increasing the bypass valve pressure would be tricky business though, and I would expect the engine manufactures to not like that. The higher the pressure level, the longer it will take the filter to go into bypass mode, and potentially starve the engine of oil for short periods of time - not good for the engine. The way I see it, if these 20K mile oil filter really had better filtration technology inside, they would be the first one to describe it on the outside of the box, or at least on their websites. They purposely keep the details vague for a reason, and I doubt if it has much to do with the competitors learning their secrets. On the contrary, if there is a secret being held by these oil filter manufactures, it may be that their filters typically last a whole lot longer than what is advertised on their packaging, and there isn't much difference between a 10K filter and a 20K filter, as your comparison video clearly shows. I'm also going to stick my neck out, and suggest that an oil filter that is starting to fill up with dirt is going to filter finer particles better than a fresh oil filter. Just like a furnace air filter. But, at some point it will slow the flow of oil too much, as it starts to clog up, and needs to be changed before the bypass valve kicks in. In other words, I suspect that dirty oil filters filter out more dirt than do clean filters. But when is the optimal time to change your oil filter? You can't really tell, because there is no good way to tell if it is plugged up. From a pure engine longevity standpoint, I really don't see how you can beat changing a cheap cellulose filter every 3,000 miles. They trap smaller particles than the more expensive synthetic oil filter do, which is why they have to be changed more frequently. Nobody wants to change their oil and filter every 3,000 miles, but what could better for your engine? That's what I do.

I like the old design much better. Guess it cost too much money to keep producing it that way.

Nothing special. They're just making money off the Mobil 1 "name", while supplying just an average quality filter. Different manufacturer, but still the same usual crap.

Just my opinion , I don't like Mobil oil or anything Mobil .

I'm trying to find a Mobil 1 filter to fit a Lawn mower Kohler 7000 22 hp. The cross reference says an L10-101. I find the M1-101A . Will it work?

Being that I change my oil every 2,000 miles I don't think that whatever filter I use matters..our shop stocks WIX only..

Id love to find out their engineering decision changes vs their cost driven changes.

Great job on the video, but disappointing filters. I always considered M1 to be a high quality filter, but looks like they have some workmanship issues. Thank you!

Reminds me of the Honda oil filters - switched from the superior Filtech A01 to the inferior Honeywell A02. - the Honeywell is a flimsy Fram in disguise.

I pay $15-$20 CAD for these (depends on the sale) for my truck. One of the most expensive filters around. Supposed to be great. I've never had any problems. But then again, I've never had a oil filter fail period. No matter what brand.

nice job cpmpairing the new vs old model

what would you say are the top 3 filters ? open to all as well

Good to see what goes into these filters. Thank you.

Very interesting thanks

That 99.2% efficiency rating of the old one is basically worthless without knowing what particle size they used. I could make a chain link filter that its 99% efficient at stopping rocks real easy! Ha ha! So the old Mobil 102A has a thicker baseplate thicker can housing and had more drainback holes! It had more available filter material because the end caps didn't cover so much of it on the sides. It shows in how much taller it was when you cut it out. The 102 appeared 2inches shorter length also, and it wasn't as tall x 52" is a lot of filter area. I bet that is how they can say it can handle 20,000 miles. Good to know the 102A is a much improved filter!

Funny how they are quite similar yet different! U can definitely see the upgrades on the newer unit! 👍

Another great video!

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Love your videos. There's a lot of debate regarding the oil filter in my car. Honda S2000. The part number is 15400-PCX-004. They say OEM for this car is a one off and is by far the best filter on the market. I believe your analysis would finally put a nail in that coffin. Thanks

i JUST this week BOUGHT TWO m102-A'S , ONE OFF AMAZON, AND ONE FROM aUTOZONE . tHE ONE FROM aMAZON IS ( sorry caps) is quite a bit hevaier and has the eight round holes on the bottom like the one in this video. The one I bought from Autozone has 7 oval holes. I contacted Mobil, who transferred me to Mann Hummel. Mann Hummel said they currently show the M102-A as having the 7 oval holes as is the one I bought from Autozone. They could not tell me anything more even with me providing date code but advised me to send the one back I bought from Amazon with the eight round holes. I wonder if there are two different versions of this M-102A ??