Model S Owner Compares His New Tesla To The Kia EV6, And Likes What Kia Is Doing! 

sct 21 except his doorhandle comment if entering from the left passenger side why would you ever feel the need to open the door with your right hand. its completely nonsensical

I agree. His comments are very good, but as sct 21 indicated, the comment about the handles is not quite on point. The EV6 handles are not perfect, but you simply use the hand that is convenient for opening the door based on the side of the car you are on. If anything, the EV6 and Ioniq 5 handles are much easier to use than the Model 3 and Y handles that need to be manually pressed and open in the reverse direction of what is expected by traditional car drivers. Neither door handle solution, Ioniq 5/EV6 or Model 3/Y, is great but convenience is sacrificed for efficiency and I am OK with that for all 4 models. One comment that could have been made about the EV6 handles is that they feel a bit cheap as compared to Tesla's.

@@EV-olution True but it is one of the few things on the Model 3 that are solid. I will still take my EV6 popout handles vs my 2021 Model 3 handles which needed two hands for most people to get in.

Kenny is awesome - he is a great companion for Alex

Agree with others, Kenny's comments were thoughtful and great, but door handle "issue" doesn't make sense. Anyone opening rear driver side door using the right hand at Kenny's position would be awkward regardless of door handle design -- this is also true of the model S that they are comparing the EV6 to.

So Electrify America is "$0.31/kWh plus $4 monthly fee" at $5 is 16.13 KWhr of battery. This works out to 12.4 miles per KW you might revise your statement that you get 200 miles of range for $16.31. IYF at $3/gallon of gas @ 200 miles works out to 36.78 mpg. Without the $4 monthly fee at .43/KWhr drops the MPG to 26.5 mpg. 245 miles to Sweetwater with 17% left = 295 miles of range off at 77.4-kWh battery pack is 3.81 miles per KW or 262 wh/mi. This sounds about right for a non GT version. My 500 hp model Y performance gets about 333 wh/mi ,, I would think an EV6 with 164 lbs more weight which is very little vs only 320 hp would get better efficiency than a higher output model Y P.

@@randallcoles350 you missed the part where I said I can get 200 miles for $5 in states that bill per minute rather than per kWh, like Texas. I charge at 230kw at the peak of my curve and I pay $0.24 per minute charging. That is 3.83 kWh for $0.24, or 15.97 kWh per $1. At 3.8 miles per kWh, I’m getting 60.7 miles per $1. So I’d get 212 miles per gallon equivalent at $3.5 per gallon

There are also those four buttons at the left end of the panel that don't change, and control critical features like the defrosters. Reviewers always seem to ignore them, though they are some of the most used climate control features.

@@markmiller3279 you are absolutely correct. I forgot about those, thanks.

Or you can leave the panel set to radio/ media, so the passenger can use it. HVAC can also be controlled from the infotainment screen.

@@EV-olution I ended up with it set to climate 95% of the time but if they had implemented a cleaner UI, it could have been dedicated to climate and not have to switch between two functions. While I didn't have any direct issues with it, I can see how traditional car shoppers would have a bit of difficulty transitioning or leaning about the quirks of that control panel

Also Tesla's interface can be confusing for new buyers as well. Especially since updates changes the interface like removing then adding back in dedicated seat heater controls and no "dedicated" button to access climate settings. You have to know to tap the temperature or slide up.

More like 1/3 price because it has the tax credit.

Ask this, if Kia is much better than Tesla being a 'new kid' why haven't Kia make much more? What is their targeted volume for 2023? Maybe Kia EVs or even Hyundai can't really make a profit on them or they both limited in resources to expand as quick as they would like. What is the limiting factor?

@@nguyep4 are you seriously asking what the limiting factor is in building cars in 2022? LOL

But the real question and thing to think about to yourself is if the Kia is worth it, because Kia are not known for having the longest lasting vehicles that last for decades such as Honda and Toyota. But also I don't know how much different a Electric Motor for a vehicle is compared to a regular Gas Motor, so idk if it will last longer than a Gas Motor which I as myself since it's pretty much just a Motor that transfers the power from the Battery into turning the wheels. Because Kias Gas Engines aren't the most reliable and their is a reason why Kias are much cheaper than Toyota and Honda just for going out and buying just a basic and base line trim/basic options you can choose for the vehicle instead of buying the Option above just a simple Basic Option, so what I am saying is that Kia basic option is way cheaper than Honda or Toyotas..

@@ThePeacePlant you mean Kia, who offer 7 year warranties as standard on every car? And Toyota? Who've just had to recall every BZ4X because their wheels fall off? I know every manufacturer issues recalls, but, for wheels that fall off? I think humans have been making wheeled vehicles long enough to know how to do the basics.

Exactly. It's far more versatile. The Kia front trunk is big enough for the bits and pieces Alex keeps there - stuff that might otherwise go under the trunk floor and be less convenient

One thing that is often overlooked when people criticise the small frunk on the EV6 is the car's extremely short overhangs (something only possible due to the dedicated EV platform), relative to the Tesla. There simply isn't as much physical space forward of the front axle in which to fit all the necessary hardware and a big frunk. Some reviewers and commenters use the relative frunk sizes as a proxy for good mechanical packaging, rather than a result of styling and dimensions.

I read a survey that showed a majority of EV owners with usable frunks did not utilize that space for much more than adapters and chargers. Most EV owners use traditional trunk and rear hatch space for their everyday storage needs. This is why most new European and Asian EV models are excluding frunks (or designing storage cavities into the remaining space under the hood).

Do not buy Chinese car.

@@rinbine2713 Racist trash above.

It is appealing. I use more than 2 cars, gas and electric and it’s a very easy switch back and forth but I prefer a Tesla

The EV 6 is an absolute crap car. I seriously considered it and did a test drive. Man was I disappointed. If you come from a Tesla, any Tesla you will be beyond disappointed. The car is heavy and it feels heavy. It is no fun to drive and it has nothing special to offer. It is also way underpowered. It picks up at first and then the performance drops right off.

@@whynotstartusingyourbrain8726 LOL " It is also way underpowered"🤡

@@whynotstartusingyourbrain8726 4.anything 0-60 is _not_ a slow car. Quite the opposite. That's performance car performance in an ordinary EV. No, it isn't competitive with the fastest Teslas, but their celebration numbers are absurd.

Great value before the dealer “market adjustment “.

@@lemongavine If you bought when I did yes I paid a small market adjustment but I made 10K trading in my 2021 M3 DMotor that was built like shtt. I will receive the 7500 tax credit that I could not get in my Tesla. The Tesla was loud and rode like a sports car. The EV6 GT Line drives like a Grand Touring car and has enough pickup to get ahead of traffic. Big deal if it does not do 0-60 in 4 flat or 1/4 in 12.5. I honestly don't care anymore.

Thank you for sharing! -Travis

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Boy did this age wrong. Tesla makes very good quality Model 3 & Ys and S (I admit Cybertruck isn’t that good quality, Elon fucked it over). I’ve herd so many issues about the EV6 I drive EV6 and only thing I like better about it is the charging speed

Agreed. I am currently going back and forth in between the EV6 and the Model Y LR. Have reservations on both and expect to get either of them later this year. Will see.

True, though they can only directly compare the vehicles they have access to, not necessarily the ones they want. I think of this comparison as less between the Model S and EV6 and more between the general approach of Tesla and Kia.

The Kia is not $50 except in the lowest trim. The GT line model shown is over $58K. Right now the dealers are adding about $8K or more to the asking price up to $70K.

Well yes, the Kia, Hyundai and Chevy Bolts are cheaper than Tesla's, but the real question you need to ask yourself and have answered, is 'How is it's reliability compared to Tesla' so you should really try to research about that and really get a honest answer for that question because Kia, Hyundai and Chevy aren't known for having the most reliable Cars, mainly because their Engines aren't the best and what I would normally label them as 'Garbage' Gas Engines, but the thing is idk how reliable their Electric Motors are that are in those companies Electric Cars and I wonder if they would naturally be better because it's really not much the same as a Gas Engine at all, so as said, I wonder if naturally the EV Engines would be better than the Gas Engines in general in any other brand and all these companies I mentioned above too which I am really trying to mention about in my comment, but as said, just any EV Engines in general for any company..

Exactly. The EV6 has a two mode panel, while the Tesla has one screen with all modes. And Kia is complex?

That's what I was thinking. A Model Y would make more sense.

3 years ago maybe no more issues with Tesla . Good luck with Kia and Hyundai 100k miles death trap . They all die after 100k miles

We have zero fit and finish issues with our Tesla. I stopped listening to people on the internet and everything was great. Ev6 is a sweet ride though!

The EV6 and Kia's in general have amazing fit and finish. Mine is the best I have ever owned.

That was my first question, why would you compare these two vehicles with such a huge difference.

You would still want to compare similar prices vehicles in general. You wouldn’t compare a Porsche to Toyota Camry

My 2024 hasn't done that (so far).

Yes I read a review later that says the update fixes the issue with Android auto I had.

@@KennyKo39 yeah the update fixes a few things including widescreen support.

My test drive of the EV6 showed a really poor speech recognition UI. It could not understand my Navigation instructions at all. I wonder if there was a trick to that I missed and if the update may have made that better ?

It depends on where you live. In the province of Quebec, where I live, the Circuit Électrique network is far more advanced than the Tesla network and, more often than not, Tesla owners use an adapter to use the CÉ network to go places they otherwise would not be able.

@@EV-olution ever travelled through the US in a non Tesla?! Quebec is a small word. Ontario is frustrating to long distance drive in our non Ioniq.

As Alex constantly points out, long-distance travel is a non-issue for many. A significant percentage of EVs are bought as commuter vehicles (by people with other cars) and charged almost exclusively at home.

The last time I took a trip that would require on road charging was a year and a half ago. While a good network is always preferable, it isn't nearly the inconvenience some people make it out to be.

FUd much? Our 10 year old Tesla has been no issue to repair. Mobile service comes to our door when/as needed. I’ve had next day service multiple times.

@@smartelectriccar You are one of the lucky ones. They rush to build them now and built like shht. There is a big issue with Model 3 power trunks now, My 2021 became defective and I could not open my trunk and I finally pulled it open only to come unhinged and push metal onto rear glass and shatter back and roof glass and ruin the paint on trunklid. My back of the car needed to be painted. Funny when I dropped off my car at service who pulled in right next to me, another Model 3 2021 with same exact issue with trunk and broken glass!!! They did cover under warranty but probably 5K damage bc of shht build and parts used. Now the car had paintwork and I was pissed. I traded it in last month (made 10k off of what I Paid for it in Dec 2020) for EV6 GT line and far better build and paint quality with 7500 tax credit. Tesla is not for everyone. I loved driving the car fast and handled well but noisy and stiff ride with Honda Civic vibes on the highway with the noise and overall ride.

@@smartelectriccar lmao your 10 year old Tesla? The ones they used to build by hand? That's not the case anymore buddy. They are built by unsupervised robot and pushed out the door before paint is dried for a fast sale.

Fake new bro😂.

1st person who owned one that speaks the truth. Most people I find are deep down in Elon's ass that they can't be mad about anything even when it hurts them...also paying alot of money for very poor quality.

It's just Tesla that is doing that all other EV are standard...

Still now ??

Oh and absolutely great comparative information thank you much both.

I believe what they meant is that the car didn't communicate to apps the current charge level, so it couldn't automatically find charging stations based on expected range. I expect Hyundai/Kia will get this sorted out fairly soon. They update their infotainment systems fairly often.

@@markmiller3279. That’s a question I’ve had: Whether they’re good at updating.

I personally have trouble opening doors with different hands. I also cannot walk with both feet. I have to hop on my right foot when I am stressed.

I'm guessing he's driving the heck out of it and the Rivian & trying to decide which one to keep.

How do you like your Ev6? Is it better than Tesla?

Yes, the CCS fast charging network is a few years behind, but with sales what they are it should eventually catch up. The Federal Government should also take VW to task for the deficiencies of EA. They were supposed to spend their money on a real charging network, not a broken system.

@@markmiller3279 VW is at least building a charging network. What are the other carmakers beside Tesla and VW doing to expand the number of charging stations? Answer: Nothing!

Actually I don't think you can. If the EV6 was made 10 years ago, then you can give them the same leeway. But the reality is that the 1st gen ground up EV is competing against the experienced champ. And frankly, Kia's done a terrific job. I'd pick the EV6 (or the Ioniq 5) over the Model Y myself.

@@os2baba So I went and test drove the Kia EV6 - It was nice but a bit smaller than the model Y - The heads-up display was nice and it felt like a "regular" crossover which will make some people more comfortable but then let's talk about the price - $4k in rather useless dealer installed accessories PLUS a $10k dealer markup. MSRP of $61.6k plus the aforementioned addons = $75.6 with no additional manufacturer installed items, and also before Taxes, Licenses and dealer delivery fees (Taxes are in excess of $5800 alone). Then Tesla dropped the MSRP on Model Y performance to $56,990 ($13K price cut) and the same day I put my order in. With everything, it was $63,800 out the door. Compare that to in excess of $81K to buy an EV6 GT now and you see why I chose the Tesla. I hope the details I provided help someone - Btw due to demand Tesla raised the price already for the Model Y P to $57,990.

@@tedlasalvia9668 IMO, there are just so many ways that I found the EV6 and the Ioniq 5 miles better than the MY. You touched on a couple. For me the deal-breaker is no Android Auto. As good as Tesla's software is, it's no match (other than the pre-conditioning) to AA. Birds eye view, the turn mirrors on the left display in line with the left mirror instead of the mental gymnastics of looking at the rear view in the center console, the quality of the cameras, the far far better sound insulation, much better warranty, better dealer service network etc. I'm in Atlanta and Tesla's price drops have had a miraculous effect on dealer markups on the Kia and Hyundai dealers. So before the price increase after rebate, the price for the MYLR was $51K (after rebate) and the price for the EV6 WND with the tech package (birds eye etc) and Ioniq 5 SEL was about $56K drive out. So for me, the difference was $5K. Now it's $3.5K. I was originally looking at the MYLR. And if I was still looking for it, I'd definitely have gone with either the EV6 or the Ioniq 5. The struggle was definitely between those two. The two major advantages on the Tesla is the charging network. Apparently nothing much has changed in the last 7 years since I returned the Leaf that I was leasing. The CCS network apparently is still dismal. The second advantage I think will be Tesla's autopilot. I turned off the 2017 Genesis autopilot. It was like I was fighting against the car. Tesla seems to have totally nailed it. But I ended up ordering the Model 3. That's working out to $41K after rebate. That's the cheapest EV I can get. Unless I fall in love with it, I plan to sell it in 2 or 3 years and get a 2023 EV6 or Ioniq 5.

Same on the ev6 you also have a utility model and the ability to charge external device AC

Evidence?

@@alexanderbrown8308 door handle assessment - used left side of EV6 and right side of Tesla, to try and say the Tesla had better handle design.

@@gregjenkins2925 having used both I disagree. I find the Tesla handles extremely intuitive and ergonomic. The EV 6 feels like a cheap knockoff. But each to our own I guess.

**eventually** they test them, but sadly it's up to the car companies to provide the cars to EA to test, so when the EV is new it's unlikely to have been tested.

@@EVBuyersGuide ok. Can’t blame EA, then. Do you think Tesla will test all EV models when Superchargers open up in USA?

@@barryw9473 Hard to say, but I would guess that it'll end up a similar kind of debacle...