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Modular Synth Basics #05: Attenuators, Polarizers & Offsets 

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Комментарии : 82   
@fallprecauxionsmusic
@fallprecauxionsmusic 2 года назад
just making sure you know that, seven years later, this vid is still really helpful. thanks kindly.
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 2 года назад
Thank you! That's great to hear :)
@jodo985
@jodo985 4 месяца назад
Update: 9 years later and still super helpful. Really digging this entire series.
@nathaniel_eras
@nathaniel_eras 5 лет назад
Thank you. You've formatted this series in a way that clearly explains the "magic" of modular synthesis
@siliconbrush
@siliconbrush 10 лет назад
best ever series on the subject of modular, thanks
@juanpeirotti
@juanpeirotti 10 лет назад
Finally a really good series of videos about modular synthesis. Thank you and keep up the good work!
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 10 лет назад
Thanks! Glad you enjoy it :)
@stuartbennett4301
@stuartbennett4301 2 года назад
Aaaah! A clear, concise and factual explanation. I have found my channel.
@musician4776
@musician4776 6 лет назад
These videos are great. I'm an experimental musician working mainly with acoustic instruments but have always been intrigued. You've made the baffling world of synths really easy to understand. Thank you so much!!
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 6 лет назад
+Sam Dunstall awesome! That's great to hear :) enjoy!!!
@sysexstudio
@sysexstudio 10 лет назад
Thanks a lot for doing this instructional series. I've done much studying of modular synthesis over the year, but you are helping me learn a lot more. This video answered several questions I had about certain modules/functions.
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 10 лет назад
That's great to hear! Thanks :)
@twistedkalakalajipsychedel3466
@twistedkalakalajipsychedel3466 4 года назад
I'm wondering how can be in their minds the 4 poeples who don't like this clear and free explainations. Thank you! You have a lot of interesting videos!
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 4 года назад
Thank you! There are always people who don’t like stuff, but I’m really happy that the majority find the videos useful 😊
@twistedkalakalajipsychedel3466
@twistedkalakalajipsychedel3466 4 года назад
​@@tuesdaynightmachines Yes you're right! And I should have focus on, and mentioned this point! Thank you for the remind!
@Lofuckyou
@Lofuckyou 10 лет назад
All of these are very helpful. I am in the process of building my first couple modules and a case. For now I pull up the Modular app on my ipad and test out what you are describing. Your videos are fantastic, please don't stop making them.
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 10 лет назад
That's great! The Modular iPad App is a good way to practice for the real thing :) I also recorded a little jam session with it some time ago: iPad Ambient Drone Music (Modular iOS App)
@kentinjivek
@kentinjivek 2 года назад
So brilliant explanations thanks
@feytus
@feytus 10 лет назад
These videos are brilliant, man, thanks a lot!
@jozard
@jozard 4 года назад
very good
@fabrizionepote9688
@fabrizionepote9688 8 лет назад
Fantastic video thank you
@axoid
@axoid 4 месяца назад
Thanks. Very helpful.
@archebeats
@archebeats 10 лет назад
I was too scared of buying a Modular, but you are helping me a lot, now I'm building mine on modular grid, I got pretty much in love with intelijell metropolis and the mutable instruments modules.
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 10 лет назад
That's great :) I'm sure you'll have a lot of fun with those modules!
@bigsby19
@bigsby19 3 года назад
Invaluable information. Thank you. Just subbed.
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 3 года назад
Great to hear that it was a useful video! Thanks for the sub =)
@spacewaves94
@spacewaves94 7 лет назад
Highly informative. Thank you.
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 7 лет назад
Thanks! :)
@Pixx08
@Pixx08 6 лет назад
these are very helpful.
@neugestalt
@neugestalt 8 лет назад
Very helpful, thank you. Actually, this whole series is great!
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 8 лет назад
Thanks for watching! :)
@IIHOGZBREATHII
@IIHOGZBREATHII 9 лет назад
Hey Tuesday (lol)...I've progressed to this stage (my head doesn't explode anymore, it just swells from time to time). Thanks for these vids!!!
@anthonyagoni5517
@anthonyagoni5517 Год назад
Thanks!
@PnPModular
@PnPModular 4 года назад
Awesome video
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 4 года назад
Thank you :)
@marcuspearson6214
@marcuspearson6214 4 года назад
Brilliant.
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 4 года назад
Thank you =)
@vendomeuhl8011
@vendomeuhl8011 5 лет назад
Your videos are really cool, thank you for sharing this. I have a question... Is it possible to modulate a +/-5V with a signal of 0/+10V? For exemple I want to modulate the MIX +/-5V of ADM14 Boomtschak with an voltage block (0/5V) and an amplifier *2? The amplitude of both CV signal are 10V, but I need an offset?
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 5 лет назад
I don't exactly understand what you mean, but using a *2 amp and a -5V offset will make a 0 to +5V signal become -5 to +5V.
@user-fw9nb6pk9m
@user-fw9nb6pk9m 8 лет назад
Thanks so much this helps a lot !!! I have something to ask you though... I'm starting using my very first modular synth (a Moog model 15 iOS version which is actually a virtual synth) because I love the sound of modular synths, the experimental side you can create with it and the infinite amount of possibilities, but it is really hard for me to be able to shape a sound as I want... My question is: do you think I'd better use a real modular synth to begin or do you know other helpful virtual synths ?
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 8 лет назад
I think the Moog iOS modular looks awesome. There is also an App simply called "Modular", which I like too. The workflow really is the same as on a real hardware modular synth. Sound and haptics/feeling are of course different with real knobs and cables, but hardware is also a lot more expensive.
@cxiv
@cxiv 10 лет назад
Good stuff
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 10 лет назад
Thanks!
@fourfourfoureightyfour23
@fourfourfoureightyfour23 2 года назад
Thank Youuuuuuuuuuuu!!!!!!!!
@alternatingbitmusic
@alternatingbitmusic 8 лет назад
Very clear and helpful. Sometimes I need things spelled out to me, since I buy modules and read 'instructions' later. Thanks.
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 8 лет назад
+alternatingbitmusic thanks for watching :)
@krakou2
@krakou2 8 лет назад
it's great but i wish you'd give musical exemples on when/why using polarizers, offsets etc
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 8 лет назад
Hmm, okay. But usually this kind of stuff explains itself when you wiggle around. Offset won't do anything to audio, and Amps make it louder and Attenuators more quiet.
@almohadillaseisefes
@almohadillaseisefes 5 лет назад
@@tuesdaynightmachines IMHO it's perfect like that, without annoying background music. Thanks for sharing!
@jeppepuus
@jeppepuus 5 лет назад
@@tuesdaynightmachines Mby a little late, but i don't have anything to wiggle around on. im watching this video to learn how to use it, so i don't buy one and don't know how to.
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 5 лет назад
That’s cool :) You can also practice with VCV Rack or other virtual modular synths nowadays.
@jeppepuus
@jeppepuus 5 лет назад
@@tuesdaynightmachines Thanks, didnt know about that. Just installed it, but is there a way this can replace buying one?
@ChimeraGilbert
@ChimeraGilbert 10 лет назад
So where did you start learning about synths and modulars? Was it college? This stuff is really fascinating.
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 10 лет назад
It's fascinating indeed! I started in 2010 and just learned by reading articles and forums on the internet, watching tons of videos and reading synth manuals thoroughly. And of course I kept programming sounds from scratch to learn how synths "work". Once you get how VCOs, VCAs, ADSRs, etc can be combined (in a modular or non-modular) it's not that difficult anymore.
@BlinkyBillz
@BlinkyBillz 7 лет назад
So if i solder the pads on the ABC Bastl module I can use it both as a CV mixer and as an Audio mixer. Or will audio mixing become difficult then?
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 7 лет назад
+Rienk Speelman it shouldn't mess with audio mixing, however with DC coupled signals, you might mix yourself a voltage offset in your audio output which you usually want to avoid due to possible distortion.
@BlinkyBillz
@BlinkyBillz 7 лет назад
but thats only when you mix it with cv right?
@studio48nl
@studio48nl Год назад
VCA -> Voltage Controlled Attenuator...
@t0sh400
@t0sh400 5 лет назад
Regarding Offset Generators: If i have 9V signal and then add +5V to that, wouldn't the output overload the target module? Are Offset Generators therefore considered "dangerous" in a modular synth? There are many reasons i don't really know how much voltage comes in. Maybe i remove an attenuator i had patch earlier and suddenly the voltage jumps to unhealthy level .. something like that. Would it be possible to harm a system this way?
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 5 лет назад
Hi :) Offset generators are like mixers, mixing the input signal voltage with another constant voltage (the offset). And just like mixers, they will clip at a certain level, usually around +/-10V. This can distort the input signal, which might not be desirable for your patch, but which is generally safe. I demonstrate this in the following video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-FCr5xn4cHfo.html
@_jurk
@_jurk 3 года назад
A lot of popular modules already have attenuverters. Conceptually I get what attenuate/offset does but it's effect eludes me. Say I trying to modulate something like timbre on something like MI Elements, would sending a LFO straight into it's cv input have a different effect vs. sending the same LFO but with a different offset?
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 3 года назад
A lot of modules have attenuATORS in front of their inputs, yes. In your LFO example, offset will shift the midpoint of the modulation effect. Let’s take a filter instead of the MI module though. If you offset the LFO modulation positively, the filter might never fully close. Watch the video again and look at the graphs (maybe pause it too). And then of course try it out yourself.
@_jurk
@_jurk 3 года назад
​@@tuesdaynightmachines Thanks for you reply. So no attenuverters but attenuators?!?! But sometimes there is + on the right and - on the left of the cv input: Would that make it a attenuverter?
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 3 года назад
@@_jurk ah sorry, maybe I'm out of the loop :D In that case they are actually attenuverters. In my memory modules used to have mostly just attenuators, but I guess times are changing, which is nice.
@Jkock420
@Jkock420 8 лет назад
Can you give me an example for an Cheap beginner modular rack?
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 8 лет назад
There are a ton and it really depends on what you want to do with the synth. Check out the muffwiggler.com forums! :)
@rguzman92
@rguzman92 8 лет назад
thinking about buying a buchla module. those can be combined with other manufacturer modules correct?
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 8 лет назад
No, Buchla is not Eurorack, so they won't fit in the same case. Although there are Buchla-inspired Eurorack modules from Verbos and Sputnik for example.
@rguzman92
@rguzman92 8 лет назад
What format can Buchla be used on?
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 8 лет назад
+Rodrigo Guzman Only on Buchla as far as I know (Buchla is a "format" itself).
@rguzman92
@rguzman92 8 лет назад
ahh okay.. makes much more sense now.. thank you :)
@wolfboyft
@wolfboyft 4 года назад
The attenuator+amplifier+polariser+attenuverter thing... Shouldn't they all just be part of a single module: a multiplier? abs(voltage)1 is amplification voltage < 0 inversion What am I missing? (except putting the 1 at maybe 3V or somewhere else depending)
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 4 года назад
You’re missing offset, which would be addition/subtraction ;-) What you describe is exactly what a polarizing amplifier does though. The question here is how much maximum amplification do you want? 2x, 3x ... 10x? The wider the value range, the less precise the control with just one potentiometer will be. The more components and features (amplification, inversion, etc.) the more complex and expensive the module might be. Also, a problem with attenuverters is often that the zero point is in the middle of the range and difficult to dial in quickly/precisely. So sometimes you just want an attenuator to turn down a signal. Sometimes you just need a precise -1x inverter. Analog amplification might also introduce noise or other artifacts. So having those features spread across several modules which can be combined to one’s individual needs is what the modular experience is all about, but you will also find all-in-one modules too. Another thing to take into account is module size. You might fit two attenuators into the same module space as just one attenuverter+offset. Rack space is always limited, so it’s good to have modular module choices :)
@nycpny8396
@nycpny8396 10 лет назад
This is where my head starts to hurt, even though you explain it well, it's just confusing to me.
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 10 лет назад
Don't worry :) just experiment and have fun for now and slowly read up on new stuff once you feel comfortable. Modulars are so deep that you won't learn everything in one day (or a lifetime) anyway.
@jadeblades
@jadeblades 6 лет назад
Why do we need to use polarizers?
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 6 лет назад
To invert and scale signals. Take an ADSR for example. It's usually only positive, "adding" its effect to something like a VCA or filter. If you use a polarizer to invert it, you could actually subtract it, closing a filter or VCA instead of opening it.
@jadeblades
@jadeblades 6 лет назад
Okay! Thx
@user-ri1xx6nu8c
@user-ri1xx6nu8c 8 лет назад
your video is helpfully to me but i don't understand your pronunciation "as though s~~~ the scent of the waveform..." at the part explain AC coupling. please let me know the word start "s" or whatever ;)
@tuesdaynightmachines
@tuesdaynightmachines 8 лет назад
+최하경 2:34 "Attenuation and inversion will still work though, as those leave the center of the waveform where it is ..." Gotta work on my pronunciation :D Now that you mentioned it, I can't unhear myself saying "the scent of the waveform" ... it's always a good scent though. Haha :-P
@user-ri1xx6nu8c
@user-ri1xx6nu8c 8 лет назад
+The Tuesday Night Machines haha.. my listening is very suck ;) thank you for replying!
@nycpny8396
@nycpny8396 10 лет назад
This is where my head starts to hurt, even though you explain it well, it's just confusing to me.
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