@@thenoahzacky1 In her explanation to her maid? She absolutely WAS. But it is amazing how that 1st year and a half of QE2's reign there legitimately was THREE of them. I can't think of any other time there was. There probably was so History fact checkers who read this let me have it!
@@maestroclassico5801 God he was the worst child she had by a mile. Vain, arrogant, thick as a plank and, with his sucking up to Hitler, treacherous in the extreme.
@@maestroclassico5801 I love this kind of challenge (being a history buff since childhood). The last time there were 3 living queens was 1689-94 although it was slightly unusual in that Mary of Modena, queen of James II, didn’t lose her position because of her husband’s death, but because he was deposed. However in those 5 years, until the death of Mary II from smallpox in 1694, there were 3 living queens ( Catherine of Braganza, Mary of Modena, and Queen Mary herself)
A couple of years ago there were 3 queens and 2 Kings in Belgium: Matilde, Paola, Fabiola, Philip and Albert. Even now there are 2 royal couples in Belgium and Spain. Not that uncommon!
@barahona68 this is about England. The line of sucession is absolute, and immutable. Straight line. Belgium has different rules governing the sucession. Historically, it is not common in the UK.
@@twobearshomestead The rules are not that different in the 2 countries, both are usually straight lines, but not always. When king Baudouin died childless his brother Albert succeeded him. When king Edward VII abdicated his brother Georg VI suceeded him and had he not abdicated but reigned with Wallis Simpson as his queen consort his niece Elizabeth II would have succeeded his uncle anyway only some years later. So no straight lines in both countries. Queen Victoria also suceeded her childless uncles, so no straight line. Even nowadays there is no male primogeniture in any of the 2 countries anymore, so the sucession rules are even similar in this point. Both are keeping updated with modern values. In fact, from Eddward VII to Elizabeth II it is even the same family in England and Belgium: Saxes-Coburg-Gotha, in England renamed Windsor by Georg V during WWI.
@@twobearshomestead Oh, about England is it? Does that mean that Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland are not bound by this family? As for your original rebuttal, it was absolutely daft. You forget that Japan has currently an Emperor and the Emperor Emeritus.
@andrewjones-productions you're reading WAY too far into this. This whole post is about The Crown , and my comment was simply about THIS monarchy. Bringing Japan into the conversation is irrelevant to the conversation. And call you me daft....
It’s scenes like this is why I prefer the two first seasons, there was a focus to connect to the late Queen Elizabeth’s, the Queen, path in her early years. She probably had this conversation with her grandmother, maybe not, but it seems to match their personalities that it makes sense.
I believe the distinction is that initially the nurse says ‘the’ [thuh] Queen, and Queen Mary specifically pronounced it ‘the’ [thee] Queen. Not certain but I just noticed that the pronunciation was different.
@@DylanFeature I'm not from the UK myself so I can't be a hundred percent sure but I think the nurse may have been Scottish and that's why she pronounced it that way but not certain
Chesterton's wall. If you can't stand inside the shoes of your ancestors and perceive -- accurately, and with compassion -- why it wasn't nonsense for them, you oughtn't be trusted with the franchise.
I thought in real life Queen Mary spoke with a German accent - can’t remember source for this - over past four years have read, heard and watched so much regarding British history it’s all run together - it has all been from British sources though except for Dan Snow’s mother’s writings - as a Cnd with only British ancestry have wanted to see things from British view 🇨🇦🙏
I love how you can hear the crackling of each drag off the cigarette. It adds to the crispness of the scene and the fact that she can smoke in bed if she wants. She is still a royal. Excellent writing and acting. I can almost smell that cigarette.
It was terrible advice and thankfully QE II never followed it and tended to go with the husband's opinion. The advice from Queen Mary was out of touch and "medieval" even in the 1950's.
You've got to love Dame Eileen Atkins, one of the greatest acting dames this country has ever produced. Along with Judi Dench, Maggie Smith, Diana Rigg, Helen Mirren and Harriet Walter - to name but a few.
I know. We are so fortunate to live in their time. Dames Eileen and Harriet are both in Ballet Shoes which is up on RU-vid, also other wonderful performances by many other great actors in that cast.
A benevolent and wise monarchy is the best form of government, problem is just because the current one can run the country effectively doesn’t mean the next 5 will. Perhaps and elected monarchy like the Holy Roman Empire? Who knows
It doesn't matter whether they believe it. The evil of it is that they go to great lengths to get others to believe it to control them. Did you not see the coronation of the spoiled brat king?
@@michaelmontagu3979I found this in my 15 years in Hollywood as well. The higher up the food chain they were, the easier they were to work with. It was the wannabes and scroungers who treated people badly. Almost always
@@madeleinegrayson8372 Apparently it's a very common thing among both high society and celebrities in general. If someone belongs to the "elite", the lower they are inside that category the more they need to give themselves importance (a baron will boast about their ancestors, a newly discovered singer will overpraise their own and only song, etc.), while those who are higher or have been in that position for longer don't have the need to be idiots. They can still be idiots, of course, but by their own individual merit, not by trying to look important, because they know they are XD
@@michaelmontagu3979It's absolutely true. I used to be a member of the Sealed Knot - an English Civil War reenactment society - and a certain member of my regiment was the heir to a title, his family able to trace their roots back to the Norman conquest and owners of a large area of some of England's best farming land. Eton and Oxford educated, he was courteous to a fault, remarkably humble, and preferred the company of the working class members of the regiment, enjoying their unpretentious ways to those of the middle class types who were either sycophantic or hated him for being what they were not - the real deal.
@Kevin-mx1vi It's generally the middle class who are nasty and snobbish. Just up from working class and want to show how well they have done by sneering and talking down to people, in what I call an affected Weybridge accent. My grandmother used to say that she couldn't think of anything worse to call someone than middle class.
I dare to call this scene perfect: due to the fact there is no other way to describe it. Excellent, writing, directing and ofcourse genius acting by both amazing artists. Which does include the nurse/sister.
Queen Mary was not an idiot. The writer of this series, however, is. The Danish monarchy is over 1200 years old, founded in the 8th century (or earlier).The line of kings of the modern kingdom of Denmark can be traced back to Harthacnut father of Gorm the Old (Old Norse: Gormr gamli, Danish: Gorm den gamle), who reigned in the early and mid 10th century. The kingdom itself though is probably a couple of hundred years older than that.
@@robertbernier4101 Queen Mary is referring to the Greek Royal Family, which came into being in 1862, when Prince Vilhelm of Denmark was elected as King George I of Greece.
@godisgracious8105 Queen Mary knew that the Greek monarchy was just an offshoot of the Danish monarchy. She knew that Philip's royal pedigree was far more impressive than hers or that of her grandaughter Elizabeth. She would not have said what the Queen Mary character says in this scene. She was very knowledgeable. The Crown is full of such errors.
It really blows your mind when you realize that Queen Elizabeth is a direct decendant of historical figures like Robert the Bruce, William the Conqueror, and Rollo the Viking. Not many families can trace their lineage back more than a few generations, you could trace hers back nearly a thousand years.
@@ReaverLordTonusyup Diana was a descendent from two of Charles II illegitimate sons This means should her son Prince William take to the British throne as he is expected to, William would become the first blood descendant of Charles II to do so
Despite what Queen Mary says at @3:45 Prince Phillip's family goes back further than that, his great Grandmother is Queen Victoria same as QE2. He's of royal blood same as the rest of them.
Yes. but Philip was a member of the Greek Royal Family, who were Danish and only claimed the Greek throne like 50 years before he was born. Hence why she calls them "carpetbaggers"
Great monologue. But a quick point; the Church of England dates to 1534. The Greek Orthodox Church dates to AD 33. If you have never been to a Greek/Eastern Orthodox church service, it is like a trip through time. With chanting, vestments, holy icons and clouds of incense, the order of service really hasn't changed in 1500 years. Nor the doctrine. And the Danish Royal House of Glücksburg, has been around a lot longer than the current ruling family in the UK.
But no whereas long as the Japanese Imperial Family, whose history DESERVES a Netflix series. Imagine telling the story of Emperor’s Meiji and his controversial grandson Hirohito (Showa)
I was thinking the same about the royal house of Denmark. The Greek royal family was ousted and replaced by the son of King Christian of Denmark. So, I can see why she would call the Greek royals carpetbaggers. They were fairly new to the Greek throne. I think that was her point. Perhaps when she was referring to Denmark she was actually referring to the Greek throne and not the Danish one.
Jec1ny. There were no greek orthodox church in 33. There only were a little group of Jews following Jesus Christ. You must wait until the Paul’s predication to see the first christian Greeks.
Actually the church of Greece is earlier than the church of England, some Greek cities are mentioned in New Testament, and the first missions of Saint Paul were in Greece
Their lives are groomed to being about service from birth, hence the military service, Coast Guard Rescue service, being patrons of literally thousands of worthy causes, etc.
Excellent scene and a perfect explanation about monarchy. It is in its best form both an anointing and an appointing both from God And the people of the country. This era reflects that Continuing transition. It is all sacred and continuous. And I believe in constitutional Monarchy because of that Uniqueness of position and Of history.
Constitutional monarchy does imply that the monarch is still accountable to the people and that the people have a representative government in the monarch's name.
Queen Mary was correct! Despite everything that many believe nowadays, the Monarchy has a sacred and infallible duty coupled with its position. The current structure of it may be recent but its antecendents have brought great examples to uphold. From its very crest to the obligations it fulfills, it brings a constant that is so important that it becomes the source of eternal governance and all its like.
Wonderful acting from everyone in this scene, start to finish. Even before Dame Eileen Atkins as Queen Mary begins her '...carpetbaggers and parvenus..." comment you can see the "Yeah, but..." look on her face. You can tell what's coming even before it's said!
Imagine being a royal worker and having to constantly make sure your up to date with the latest title. Thats what kind of fascinates me about the British people we have celebrities in America they can meet with princes dukes kings queens
The Danish monarchy is over 1200 years old, founded in the 8th century (or earlier).The line of kings of the modern kingdom of Denmark can be traced back to Harthacnut father of Gorm the Old (Old Norse: Gormr gamli, Danish: Gorm den gamle), who reigned in the early and mid 10th century. The kingdom itself though is probably a couple of hundred years older than that.
The Greek monarchy is an offshoot of the Danish monarchy, therfre it has the same roots. Queen Mary was very knowledgeable about such things. She never would have said such a foolish thing. She knew that Philip had a much better royal pedigree than her granddaughter, Elizabeth, who's mother was not royal. The writer of this show makes many mistakes.
Great speech, though the Church of Greece is slightly older than the English one and the monarchy of Denmark (which the Greek royals derived from too) is also older than the English.
Isn’t the Church of Greece the Greek Orthodox Church? Since the Orthodox Church traces itself to apostolic times whereas the Church of England broke from the Catholic Church in the 16th century, I daresay the Greek Church is more than a millennia older.
@@raphaelledesma9393The CofE sees itself as broken from Rome but still a part of the Catholic faith. Whist many take it's age from the split it's actually really as old as England.
@@danielkrcmar5395 Even if I take that view, it would still be younger than the Greek Church since Christian communities in Greece date to the Apostle Paul. If we take the start to when the Roman Empire made Christianity a state religion, it would also still be older since St Augustine of Canterbury’s mission was more than 100 years after that.
Queen Mary’s speech sounds like Jor-el from man of steel. “You will give the people of earth an ideal to strive towards, they will race behind you, they will stumble, they will fall, but in time they will join you in the sun Kal. In time you’ll help them accomplish wonders”
I know it’s a TV show, and in real life this woman could be a force of Nature to be reckoned with, but I have heard from people that worked at BBC that she had the best driest sense of humor, that she could barbecue someone with compliments. That kind of person you like despite them. Was an Optician for Zeiss during College, and got to speak with some old BBC, and National Photography guys. The best were when she wanted a Smoke break, and could manipulate the hell out of staff to get one, no matter the rules.😂
I absolutely love how Queen Elizabeth II took Queen Mary’s FLAWLESS transition, “Next question”, when she was interviewed in a future season by the failed politician and journalist. Such a classy and powerful way to say that’s the end of that discussion.
If the dialogue in this scene holds true, it merely shows that - in addition to being a notorious kleptomaniac - Queen Mary (“the German Teck girl”), was also appallingly ill-educated: the Royal House of Denmark and Greece was not merely a collection of “parvenus and carpetbaggers” who went back a mere “ninety years”....In fact, the House of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg is one of the oldest royal dynasties of Europe with roots going back more than a millennium - far older than the British Royal House. Hardly upstarts...not to mention the fact that the two dynasties were intimately related by blood several times over.
The story about Queen Mary being a kleptomaniac is just that. A story. There is not one proven instance of it. There are, however, lots of instances of her paying her bills very quickly
Agreed, The Greek Church is one of the oldest churches in the world (I think the Syriac Church might be only slightly older or around the same age though), I know that with the Greek throne she's referring exclusively to Prince Philip's dynasty, but if you remove him from the equation, Greece had far greater Sovereigns than England could ever dream of, what would the English know of Alexander the Great, the Lord of all Asia and Egypt, Emperor Anastasius the two pupiled, Justinian the Great, Heraclius, Leo III, Constantine V, VII and XI, Basil II, Empress Theodora, be it the first two consorts or the third who reigned in her own right, what would they know of Alexios I Komnenos or his daughter Anna, the world's first undisputed female historian? What would they know of the Churches of the East that defined what Christianity was, who solved most of the divisive problems leading to the shaping of the world's largest religion? England is a mere backwater in comparison, it only gained relevance relatively recently historically speaking.
then again, the windsors had not been for so very long a time on the english throne either. and they have nothing to do with william the conqueror. she was comparing a small portion in the history of a country, to the whole english history, who wouldn’t hold a candle as far as antiquity or civilization to Greece. she’s also incredibly delusional about the sacred character of the monarchy. she probably didn’t pay all that much attention to her history after all, or else she would have known that monarchy is just another type of brand management. tale as old time. or maybe she chose to forget that bit.@@danielkrcmar5395
@@monicad99 They have a blood relation to William the Conqueror and the Anglo Saxon royalty before that. You clearly have no understanding of the liniage of the British Monarchy. She was addressing the whole of English history because the Monarchy of today has a consitutional origin of 1066. That is where King Charles III claims his right to rule from. We aren't looking at Ancient Greece which wasn't even considered a country but was used as a geographical term of an area of seperate city states. The modern Greece is very young and with a younger Monarchy. Of course it isn't going to be looked upon with the same prestige as the British Crown which ruled the largest empire in world history. You can't compare the views of today to the views of then. When The Queen came to the Throne a vast number of Brits still believed the Monach was chosen by God. The Monarch is anointed in front of God and makes their Oath to God, not the people. Brand management or not the claim to Monarchy is intrinsically linked to Christianity. Just as all other Monarchies are tied to a religion. Ultimately you just don't know what you're on about.
I loved Queen Mary in The Crown, simply loved her. Mocking the Greek throne was fair because they appropriated a branch from the royal House of Glücksburg which is a cadet branch of the royal House of Oldenburg, which is the oldest extant dynasty in Europe going back 576 years. Whereas the Windsor dynasty (really the Saxe-Coburg and Gotha) have only been on the throne little more than 100 years. So Philip isn't quite descended just from carpet-baggers and parvenues. Really what she was comparing is the consistency of the monarchy in the United Kingdom vs Greece and -not Denmark.
They haven't had a Christian ceremony, in the eyes of God they're not married. As The Queen is only Queen through her husband The King then the Church had no authority to anoint her Queen. To the Church and to God, Camilla is just another random person. Camellia will not truly be Queen until her husband she had a civil divorce with dies and there is a CofE wedding ceremony between herself and King Charles III.
Is that supposed to mean anything? Camilla is nothing but a consort and has zero Christian virtue or value she is a commoner. She shouldn’t have even been crowned.
I don't get why they knock Philip so much like he was some commoner or his family was. Does noone realize that Philips grandfather may have been dethroned but he descends from other monarchs including queen Victoria in fact though so far down it really was no concern Philip was in the line of succession for the throne his wife set on.
The Danish kings originated from the son's of Odin. There is an island in Denmark where after traveling from the east Odin built a hall and preceded to settle. His son's started the Danish monastic line. The Romanov also went back what? A thousand years? Phillip was very, very royal. He just didn't want his wife to end up dethroned and brutally gotten rid off. After having it happen to two branches of his family, he had to have been concerned.
Seperation of Church and State is a fallacy and one of the worst thing to come out of the Frenxh and American revolutions. How can you seperate Church and State when you are anointed by God, your right to rule is through God, your authority is from God and all the leavers of State swear on Oath to The Monarch to act within the authority of The Crown. A Seperation is impossible.
I believe Queen Mary in the Crown is made wittier and wiser than the real QM was. On the evidence of various biographies and memoirs the real one was very funny in a daft kind of way
Not really. Queen Mary had a great sense of humour and loved being amused, but in private. Her reason was simple and she said it herself. 'You see, I have such a vulgar laugh.'
“It’s the Church of England”. Ah yes a church that only exists because a king wanted to divorce his wife just because she couldn’t give him a male heir. Very honorable and holy.
Annulment and the CofE in 1539 was Catholic as proved by the Six Articles. It still affirmed Transubstantiation. It was only definitively confirmed as a Protestant Church under Elizabeth I. It is as ‘holy’ as any other Protestant denomination, unless you want to refight the Thirty Years War, just accept it.
Nothing like a granny to put it all into perspective. They’ve seen it all and know it all. Lillibet adored her wisdom, her hierarchy, her position even as a dowager queen grandmother, she was not to be played with or fukked with. She was Queen Mary, the 1 and only
This scene gives even more poignancy to the scene in which Queen Mary curtsies to her granddaughter, even though it was obviously so physically difficult. It is Mary's duty and she will do it, no matter how physically hard, because before her stands the Crown to which she is so devoted. To think that the real Mary had curtsied to Queen Victoria in her youth, and lived to curtsy to Elizabeth II... she was a bridge between the eras and a very important part of the continuity of the monarchy.
The late Queen Mary did have a Point and listening to My Recording of the 1953 Coronation Service Recorded by His Master's Voice in Collaboration with the BBC you could sense how the late Queen Elizabeth 2nd must have felt on that wet Tuesday June 2nd day in 1953:and the three LP Box Set of the Coronation Service(Mono only)is quite Common and can be bought off Ebay for very little Money
Parvenue, a more "upscale" way of saying nouveau riche, or people who have recently acquired wealth, typically those perceived as ostentatious or lacking in good taste.
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I staunchly believe that assuming the role of a monarch is a divine calling, aiming to dignify the Earth, echoing the sentiments of the late Queen Mary to her late Majesty, Elizabeth II. A genuine king or queen answers to God, not merely the public, as divine guidance steers them toward actions that benefit the people. While this scenario may be dramatized, I wholeheartedly endorse the ideals of theocracy. Acknowledging historical instances of less-than-ideal sovereigns in England, the present monarch, King Charles III, exceeds my expectations. He is my king, and I recognize no prerogative to question His Majesty. His representation of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland surpasses my initial expectations.
Mary’s idea of monarchy is why Charles I lost his head, and England, for a brief time, got rid of their monarchy. These folks are answerable to God and the people that allow them to reign.
Good or evil, God DID give the world monarchies, since He is the very doer of both good and evil (Is. 45:7), and what she says at timer 2:20-4:15 all makes perfect sense. Indeed, Christ IS king of kings, so there must be kings.
Neither wanted to be sovereign, contrary to what is portrayed in _The Crown_ . In particular, Charles stated always he could do far more good as Prince of Wales than he could ever do as King, due to the vastly freer life as PoW. Ascending to the throne was a disaster for him.
What she means is that the Greek Crown only dated back to 1870, when a son of the King of Denmark was invited to become King. Funnily enough, he didn't know about the invitation until he saw a report in a newspaper that was wrapping some herring he had bought. Our Prince Edward was invited to become King of Estonia when it became independent of Russia. The invitation was said by Buckingham Palace to be an interesting idea and declined.
@@ToudaHell actually she kinda did. Her father was born into a morganatic marriage so he and later his children had the rank of Serene Highness. That's a low rank among royals and would make a princess a distant target for a future king or emperor.
The Danish monarchy in Europe, including by extension England, is the longest and oldest monarchy of Europe, but not the world. The oldest monarchy is the imperial Japanese monarchy.
She wasn't German but of German descent. She was born in Kensington Palace to a half English mother, who was a granddaughter of King George III, the first English born Hanoverian King.
