He may not debate with her, she is queen. That's the importance of her role here. For a politician not to be allowed to wiggle out of a responsibility is of immense value.
@@mms100o I've always had a very intuitive understanding of protocol for an American, including the very sophisticated, nuanced British monarchy. Not sure where I got that from. It's a great scene, though. She is barely more than a child, and he is very possibly the greatest British stateman of all time, at the end of his career. It should be a mismatch, but she is endowed by God in her role to deliver a balancing influence to the great man, Churchill.
Tone of voice was firm but so respectful! With all due respect for the other 2 actresses, Claire Foy was the best version playing the Queen, superb performance. And John Lithgow was extroadinary in this role!!
@@user-zt9ki2np7r actress was both the best and the worst. everything she is in, she has this dead look on her face. No emotion. Its soo bad that it worked for this role. since Queeny never showed emotion in most of her life, until her final years with the occasional gummy smile.
What got Winston Churchill the most. Or what effected him the most was basically the fall of the British Empire. He knew America would be the new leader of the world after WW2. It hit him around the time the western allies were moving to invade Italy. He wanted to go through Greece. The American's wanted to go through Italy. His term for the "soft underbelly of Germany" wasn't Italy. It was Greece. He was overruled by the American's. Also the American's were at the forefront of D-Day. The British Empire and its international power it once had was gone. To this day the UK isn't at the head of world power. After WW2 it was always in decline.
Exactly. They’re kinda like the old friend you keep around because you’ve been friends since kindergarten but you no longer really have a use for them and you may invite them to the party and even let them voice their opinions out of respect but you don’t actually care about what they have to say any longer.
And Claire's acting was beyond amazing! Right before this scene here she blasts that guy with her "never trust a Cecil...perhaps not" speech which was so perfect! LOL! Then moments later quietly and confidently reprimands Churchill! Just the best!
The other guy was Robert “Bobbitey” Gascoyne-Cecil, 5th Marquess of Salisbury. He came from a very prominent family dating back in politics to the Elizabethan era. His own grandfather was even PM during the Victorian period and his other ancestor was Lord Burghley a prominent advisor or Elizabeth I. I’m not sure if “Never trust a Cecil” is a real phrase or why it would exist since clearly trusting a Cecil had worked in the past
This Scene brings tears to my eyes, look how fragile Winston looks, like a child beeing reprehended by his mother, he made his mistakes like every human, but, all he wanted, was the Queen to be ready, and he succeeded, that phrase "i have discharged my duty to your father" just shows how close the royals were to him, not PM and Monarch, but friends ! Phenomenal scene ❤
The only thing distacting from the portrayal is the difference in height - Churchilll was only 5'6 and Lithgow is 6'4, towering over everyone in each scene.
“I would ask you to consider your response in light of the respect that my rank and office deserve, not that which my age and gender might suggest.” That line just speaks volumes of the Queen’s character. Considerate, yet straight to the point.
This is such an amazing scene! This signifies a huge transition for the queen from being dependent on others and unsure of herself to fully confident and ready to completely embrace her God-given role. In the next episode she puts her mom and sister in their place too if one remembers lol....
@@nancyvillines4552 Well...I do agree there are parts that are complete fiction...but there are other parts that are quite true. The show is such a beautiful mix of both 😊
I love this scene you can tell right away that Churchill is regretful for keeping his health problems from the queen but when she mentions that he betrayed their personal relationship he looks not just regretful but deeply hurt by what he did
According to palace security interviewed about the series Foy was the closest to the Queen. That glassy stare, real charism. Olivia Coleman is a fantastic actor. Bu her portrayal was of a fearful queen. It's hard for us to imagine but the queen genuinely believed that he had a pact with god. She was certain of her duty... to the end. She didn't live in fear. She lived in duty. Foy nailed it.
One of the most powerful deliveries, coached in such a steely, deliberate yet calm tone, ever to captured on film. Claire Foy - one of the most underrated actresses of the modern time.
This scene is about respect. Churchill had crossed the line and deserved to be dressed down like he was. I am sure the Queen didn't like doing it but she did it because a standard only survives when it is respected and when it is broken, out of respect for the standard, the individual must be challenged. To not do so is to destroy the standard. Winston, more then anyone recognized this and I am sure was in awe that someone so junior in service reminded him of this and of the institutions they both serve. Something that far too many in leadership fail to uphold these days but even worse, something the general public seems to relish in. The sport and entertainment of lowering standards through deception to gain power. If only, the general public was less accepting of such mediocrity, we might have quality leaders pushing forth sound policy, that not only results in stronger economic times, but more liberal freedoms and a quality of life. Respect is critical
Only thing is Bagehot never wrote that the 'dignified' and 'efficient' parts of the government were to cooperate and trust each other. He saw the dignified elements as being useful in only getting the obedience of the 'ignorant multitude'.
I know Churchill forbade her from inviting the PM to ‘sit’ but keeping him stood up whilst he has the health of a dying stray cat always seems rather brutal.
I like how she is upset with him but yet she lets him down easy. Maybe someone should say that to Donald Trump and Joe Biden. We need young blood to lead the country.
@@fahimfaisalmahir567educate us Mr knowledgeable. Which president made the wrong decision because he was young? And how did that affect your freedom? I’m waiting for a smart and decent reply. Otherwise if you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about it would be awfully great if you didn’t make shit up anymore
Yea how. The USA has a presidential republic system. The President is both Head of State and Head of Government: both the Dignified and Efficient. It’s one of the main weaknesses of a presidential system.
Holy s*** like this whole scene is so true like you do not talk back to the Monarch so like yeah if I were to really like run her office in Canada and become Premier or prime minister Can I have screwed up like Churchill I definitely would be keeping quiet too. It's really really interesting when you think about it how idiosyncratic the Westminster system is yet that seems what gives it its stability and anti-autocratic Is at times because you actually have two institutions that are always kind of balancing one another out. When one is in one's use one often questions these institutions and their necessity and their Logical usage but As one matures one comes aware of the wisdom of these institutions and how we should actually try to preserve a lot of them. Hello things like racism and stuff like that definitely deserves to be eliminated there are other institutions that we have in Western society that should be preserved because they're actually pretty awesome for what they do for all of us. La reine est une partie integrale de la système de gouvernement dans le Ouest en particulier dans les systèmes Westminster. Moi je me suis rappelé le moment que le ancien premier ministère Chrétien a dit que Il a trouvé un nouveau respecte pour la monarchie et la rôle de la reine dans le système de gouvernement Une fois quand il a dit quelque chose comme «J'ai pensé que tu parles seulement l'anglais parce que tu es le mari de la reine de l'Angleterre» et Le prince Philippe répondrais
wonder how it went if claire was still in character when she got home and started talking to hubby like that in that manner .i bet there were some sparks
Its not the about the person, its about the "position", the crown itself is the dignified, and this is not taken away by the person, its the crown which makes the persons royal and there for its the crown whos always the dignified
I actually don't know if any of this true. Churchill and George VI reformed the weekly meetings and instead actually shared a meal during world War II. it's funny to me trying to imagine Churchill eating standing up. But George VI was not only the monarch, he waa Churchills private confessor. In World War II, that's a cruel job alone.
Never been in the palace at nighttime to see how it is lit today, but having been in many old buildings that pre-date electricity, even though they were later wired for electricity, they are often hard to light well partly due to the ornate walls and often solid masonry of such places (Very expensive and time-consuming to run wires and cut holes in walls or ceilings for outlets). A desk may be well lit by a lamp on the desk or a sofa may be well lit to accommodate reading via a lamp on an end table, but such vast rooms are often not well lit as you have limits of what you can do with outlets for lamps and overhead lighting. In many ways it gives it more authenticity that rooms are kind of dark compared to modern buildings. It reminds me of when you walk into an old city library built in the mid to late 1800's or an old estate home built in that era. Obviously many of the palaces and government buildings were built then or even earlier.
Why? He's been able to conduct the nation's business. He is sound of mind and a bit slow in the body. However, unlike Comrade Trump the Traitor, he's able to drink a bottle of water with one hand and actually makes sense in English when he speaks.
That's the problem. Given the current state of the Senate, Congress and White House, it is difficult to properly see the "dignified element" of the US Constitution - even though it should be obvious.
This highlights everything that is silly and dangerous about England's constitutional monarchy. Although fairly elected to his office, the PM serves at her whim. She has all the power and none of the accountability. For 75 years, England has been a steadily declining player on the world stage. It keeps what power it still has due to its legacy talent, culture, and excellent civilian institutions.
The Monarch has the power but it is not going to be used unless absolutely necessary There is a good reason why the Monarch can decide that a politician will not form a government in the monarch's name or dismiss the PM if they have to, it stops people who should not be getting into power from doing so like fascists or stops a government turning the UK into an authoritarian dictatorship
Churchill was not elected to his office as Leader of the aConservative Party, the leaders consulted the Party and it was done by consensus. The first elected Leader of the Conservative Party was Ted Heath.
@@Knight6831 Not just the UK but the other commonwealth realms also. The Monarch represents and protects the people and the Constitution, NOT the government. This is why Constitutional Monarchies are the most stable form of Government.
They don’t represent the government, they represent people. And their power isn’t all encompassing as you seem to think and despite the belief that they can just do anything they want, they can’t. They don’t actually have any REAL power.
Yeah well, that’s why it’s a dramatization of events and not autobiographical. People don’t seem to grasp that this show isn’t the reality of how things occurred and is dramatized for tv. You’d think people would understand that but it doesn’t seem to get through to many viewers. Just one look at the comments can tell you that
Oh don’t be so sure, the King has been known to hold very firm opinions on certain matters and to in the past not have been shy of letting ministers know. Remember that when he received Liz Truss in their weekly audience the week after her mini budget disaster he greeter her with a terse “back again are we? Dear oh dear”
@@adampower9757 she offered him a seat in the beginning but he adamantly refused(in The Crown when she first became Queen) Tbh though I can see Churchill doing this
Claire Foy performance is more like reading from a book to children. She is not in the moment, or in the set, too etherical., volatile. Olivia Colman is grounded, shrewd, lively and earthly.
@@abehambino-- You're right; let's compare: -- Committed adultery against wife: Clinton, 1 wife; tRump, 3 wives. -- Impeached by House of Representatives: Clinton, once; tRump, twice. -- Elected by a plurality of the American voters: Clinton, twice; tRump, 0. -- Sustained budget SURPLUSES with American tax dollars: Clinton, 3; tRump, 0. -- Committed treason by attempting to reverse a legal election and sending an armed mob against the Congress and his own vice president: Clinton, 0; tRump, yeah, 1/6/21. -- Indicted for felonies by 4 grand juries: Clinton, 0; tRump, 91. -- Number of Americans who died of a contagious pandemic while denying science, minimizing the threat, and doing nothing: Clinton, 0; tRump: 1,000,000+. Yeah, the comparison certainly brings everything into focus.
After murder and robbery …..trucie żebym czasem w telewizji co nie skorzystała dzięki niemu, to jedzenie 80 letniej ciotki przez swojego młodszego brata i wyleżanego bratanka; a ona 24 godziny na dobę ujadanie mnie latami abym była cicho
Dude he lied to her, he lied to the queen she should know if her prime minister is sick or unwell the country needed a stable leader and he hid his health from the queen bcz he couldn't bare to give up his title and his fame!
But ofc that "to went Cromwell" destroys the whole state. If you are in such an office, you are sworn to protect and value the constituition, therefore the efficent (your part then) and the dignified (the Crown then) and the trust between those. So thats the whole point: its not a child born into uxury and high office you talk to, as you talk in your role as PM you talk to the Queen, as Head of the state, as 'her' Prime minister, the minister of the dignifed. If you break that, as cromwell did, you shouldnt not be PM in the first place (as Cromwell was not).
Is it fair to still hold this against Charles? When this record came into the media about 30 years ago, I also thought "my goodness, how disgusting". Today I see two things differently: First: tapping phones and selling recordings of conversations to the media is criminal - the guy who did that should have been behind bars instead of collecting a big sum from the sensationalist press. Second: Have you ever been in love in your life? The you would know that people in love sometimes say foolish things to each others - but no one, neither princes nor other celebrities, deserves to have these intimate whispers to be dragged into the public eye.
@@thomasplinguidy4588 I don't expect people to bow or kneel to me. I have not spent my life striving for a job that embodies "dignity". To whom much is given, much is expected.
@@GunleaverWell, he didn’t choose it either, did he? If you live in the UK, you’ve chosen to continue to have a monarchy and the public are the ones who get all pissed off if the royals don’t follow “protocols” and “traditions” and expect them to act a certain way. And at the end of the day, his sex life has nothing to do with his role or anything else. It’s private. He’s not doing anything illegal and it’s not even honestly anything THAT weird. It’s not like he’s doing deviant degenerate shit in his private life. And sure, he’s pretty horrible at “dirty talk” but him and his now wife probably have a pretty standard vanilla sex life, it didn’t sound like they were exactly doing whips and chains and being suspended from the ceiling or anything too wild. He was just a man in love who wanted his partner to know that he enjoys her body and vagina who also just happens to be a bit awkward when trying to convey that he’s horny for her -big friggin whoop . How’s it any of our damn business exactly? It has NOTHING to do with anything you said. Just because someone is in the public eye doesn’t give us the right to know about his sex life and monitor it. If anything, people who are obsessed with it are the degenerates, weirdos and freaks
