Mondays w/ Mrhappy  

I think that's like a server or engine thing limitation so I don't think they can actually have them ticking individually.

this yeah, if i only listened to hardcore raiders then id see nothing but people talking about locking out a job that isnt even in the game yet, like whatever man.

Not to be rude, but if it doesn't apply to them why are you speaking up lol.

Hardcore played are not more insightful. Most of the time they make really poor gameplay decisions cough cough 2 minute burst window cough cough. Hardcore players are great at identifying problems but are trash at identifying solutions.

@@kos-mos1127 its funny how happy talks about how everyone had a hand in change yet you wanna single out the hardcore players for a change a lot dont like lol

many of them dont like*

From a casual perspective, Summoner needs at least 30 levels worth of buttons and mechanics, because it plays like a level 60 job at level 90.

@@shizachan8421 No that would make Summoner cool and hardcore players hate that.

@@kos-mos1127 You're contradicting yourself. So Hardcore players at one hand wanted Summoner as a mechanically complex warlock-style class but at the same time they want it as a mechanically super simplistic class that plays on the level that most classes are at in their 60s?

@@shizachan8421 The Affliction Warlock in WoW is mechanically complex because the DoTs tick on their own timer. The Affliction Warlock style Summoner was jank because the Summoner gameplay clashed with the Warlock gameplay. Old Warlock Summoner was not complex it was just lazy design. The current iteration of Summoner is well designed but is lacking the years of polish other jobs had.

@@kos-mos1127 It was functional and just one of the most complex and demanding classes to perform well, sorry, I rather trust in the people who knew how to play it. This is the issue, if SE wants to creat a job anew from scratch, they need to immediately design it with the appropriate level of mechanical complexity. And they have shown that they refuse to polish the job further, instead of building on it we just get a new bahamut which will play the same in Dawntrail.

Mr. Chappy!

I'd like to clarify that I do think the ultimate raider perspective IS incredibly valuable because it shows what the jobs achieve when played to an optimised extreme, but the bulk of the game is not playing at that optimised extreme and job feel in all contexts matters.

I think you misunderstood the answer. High end players invest themselves into a job which gives them a level of knowledge that a more casual player doesn't, which includes an awareness and background knowledge of how the job is percieved by the community, including casual play. A casual player cant do that the other way. To paraphrase what Happy said, a casual player likes a job because they like it, thats not very interesting for a podcast.

@@lambdafish291 You're right, I think I did misunderstand. Thanks for the reply!

In regards to healers getting so many tools that it becomes counter productive, that's not exactly correct. The main problem stems from how the current healing system in the game is designed. Generally speaking, unless the party is massively undergeared and/or people are constantly standing in fire, a competent healer can keep everyone alive almost entirely through oGCD abilities. You typically spend 80-90%+ of your GCD time using your DPS abilities, barring the few situations where there is an actual healing check in a fight or somesuch. Giving healers more tools becomes counter productive *when those tools are just more oGCD abilities*. Healers realistically need to have *less* oGCD abilities, or at the very least, many of those abilities need to be considerably weaker. They should be supplementary to the GCD heals, not able to completely replace them. Ideally, even in most basic content like dungeons and such, a healer should easily be spending ~50%+ of their GCD time on actual heals, rather than damage. In more difficult content, that number should be going up to ~80-90%. This would not only make them feel like actual healers, instead of weak DPS jobs with healing on the side, but would also help things like the currently OP Warrior healing that you mentioned. Just like a healers' oGCD skills, a tanks' healing abilities should be supplementary to what the actual healer does, and not nearly replace it entirely.

Anyway, so having said all that note stuff, I really like your stuff, you seem like a great guy, and I don't want to burden with you with anything else. So...have a great day! o/

He literally never said it was dead, just that a lot of aspects needed some love to make them more viable long term. Nothing he said was wrong. People go into Bozja to level, but a lot of the time getting groups for parts of it like DR is a chore.