Monster Hunter Lore | Xeno'jiiva & Safi'jiiva 

Can we have team dark side lore? Every monster afraid of them

Safi isn’t an adult yet in ice borne you probably already know this but even still love your vids!

Acxually theres a theory that Zorah acxually wasent there just to die but was acxually on a Suicide mission, he was Protected By Nergigante making sure he Gets there without dying on the way to Xenojiiva their goal being: Kill Xenojiiva before it becomes too powerful We attept to capture zorah but fail thanks to nergigante, Then we attept to Make Zorah Turn around, Even with nergigantes help soon Zorah could not take anymore pain, his stomach scarred, His Magma Cores Destroyed, His Body Pierced By dragonator and Head being Smashed By Hundreds of Canon Balls he was forced to Turn back and die in the ocean thanks to his injuries. Nergigante Then Decided to attempt Killing Xenojiiva himself even if He probably was Going to die. going to Elders Recess He searced and searched untill he came face to face with our hunter. Realising that youre the same hunter who stoped Zorah, he Attacks you untill he finaly dies their plans being ruined By Hunters. Thats the theory.

@@draw2death421 It's a nice theory, but Capcom's Official Complete Works book confirms that there was no 'plan'. The relationship between Zorah and Nergigante is simply a predatory/prey interaction, with Nergigante hoping to feed on an enormous carcass.

@@ES-dp6tw yeah whould have kinda Been funny: Nergigante: Finaly! Time to Fe-*BOOM!*

@@ES-dp6tw I think there's even an observation someone made either in the game or supplementary material that they even saw Nergigante gnawing on Zorah's hide

@@ES-dp6tw Safi cant be detected in the secluded Valley . Somewhere in a Dialouge they Said that the secluded Valley kept it Hidden and thats why it wasnt noticed yet

Fetus deletus

@@legofab yeetus deletus that dragon fetus

You should be glad it was a fetus. Imagine having to fight Safi with high rank equipment. Maybe TDS should try that someday.

Werent we kinda doing that with Gore Magala allready tho?

@@draw2death421 nah, Gore is more like a toddler edge lord, we beat Xeno literally the moment it was born

For me he's the most graceful dragon ever in the series.

Yessss

Have u noticed that its wings are 2 hands? It's especially noticeable when it's in the first form when you drop a boulder on it.

@@oneeyeddragonstudio yeah i did ^^ And how it becomes creepy when no more shell too

And the fact those eyes look at the player, not the hunters

And typically, the strongest monsters are dragons.

*opens hunter's notes* Yup, monster name checks out!

Not only that, but when we got hit by Xeno's Beams of Energy and received Dragon Blight, was the Energy of Safi much more pure and straight up burned us. Which also implies that an creature like the Jiiva line is not meant to exist. Elderdragon fear the Dragon Element since it attacks the mind like it is seen on Savage deviljho and Ebony Odogaron which are in an constant state of hunting to eat and kill anything that comes in their way, if possible. Something that is of high intellegence will be hurt more by the Dragon element(implied in the Safi Siege for which the Elderseal Effect increases the Energy Safi releases when being knocked out). monster, specifically elderdragon that have such an high concentration of Dragon element that it is an light Blue instead of the raw, black-red smoke which drives other Monster insane is an threat that is to be eliminated carefully. However, Alatreon is only as far linked with Safi that it has fleeing from Fatalis who would later awaken in Castle Schrade and the Secluded Valley was the furhtest away and most secluded place to find, only thing left to do was to get rid of everything organic left(the left overs from the other Cocoon's out of which probably other Xeno had hatched and might have already spread in the World, to secure its species as a whole from extinction).

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And it’s pronounced XEE-no’jiiva and not XEH-no’jiiva

Jekyll aren: here you go Donk your nergigante nuggets has arrived on your table

Or Zora was heading to overload it with bioenergy and fry it. Think about how much energy Zora has stored, and Nergigante wasn't trying to eat Zora itself but rather interfering with the Guild's efforts to capture it. Surely the bioenergy released from an elder as large and powerful as Zora would've killed Xeno

Its design is perfect for me. People who complain about it becoming "boring" and so different to Xeno'jiiva should go see the Caterpillar's transformation.

Honestly I don’t hate the design of Safi, but I was disappointed how much less alien-like Xeno evolves into. IMO they should’ve leaned harder into the alien gimmick

I prefer Xeno over Safi.

But lets be fair, its design its very dull compared to what Monster Hunter has to offer

1. It’s transformation is symbolic of a “Fallen Angel” 2. The Alien design evolving into an Iconic Red Dragon design, demonstrates that it has adapted to our world. 3. Safi’Jiiva is intended to be an Anti-Fatalis, so it makes sense that it has an equally simple design as well.

*breathes in* THESE ARE EXHAUSTED HORSES! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

who's laughing now?

Zulu says " who ? "

PUNCHING A THORN

I love cat.

The big skull is from the from the old monster hunter when you kill the monster it's body rots and just end up into it's bones

It's a Dalamadur skeleton

@@red1246 Two Dalamadur skeltons There are two skulls the giant one at the top of the vale and one at the bottom of the vail as the entrance to Vaal Hazak's lair

ISTG the big skull is dalamadur form mghu

mhgu*

The xeno you killed was shipped to the old world

@@thesterben5573 ....welp.

@@thesterben5573 where does it say that? Nowhere have i read anything about it being shiped to the old world and it never got mentioned in game

What is the arch tempered xeno? what is the lore behind arch tempered's

Safi was more likely an older sibling or a parent that went undetected by the commission.

oh no you didn't

@@taka3634 oh yesss

Your a mad lad 💀

Why ... just why?

"That's so horrific, I really hate that. I hate that you've said that. I hate that that's now a sentence that exists." - Aylia.

Why do you compare humans to dragons?

@Tycho Plays Io Games I mean humans and dragons are basically the same aren't they?

@@yuyaohuang5525 well yes but actually no

I thought that since Xeno is implied to be not be from this world that it’s just absorbs things around him and starts to adapt to his surroundings. Since he was just absorbing pure elder dragon energy he just turned into a stereotypical dragon. Which I like

@@yuyaohuang5525 in no way are we similar.

I want to think that Zorah come from the world we explore in Rise, we've already seen the remains of a Zorah head in the trailer.

@@OfficialFedHater wait there was? Wait is that what made up the ice area?

I think not making it return would make it more unique and special.

@@Darkfreed0m I would hate to never see the incredibly unique armor and weapons again, dragonvein awakening is such an interesting gameplay mixup

It should definitely return, but it should be much more difficult and more rewarding than it currently is

SmugLookingBarrel why would they make a video about a pukei pukei no ones wants that lmao

Evidently, he wants it, so you’re just wrong.

@@orlad.hunter3344 why would no one want Pukei-Pukei? Thats like saying no one wants a Khezu lore

Muhammad Anugrah Eka Septo cause pukei pukei is the lamest monster ever lmao 😂 and everyone heated khezu since he roars too much.

Sam Egerland ok I don’t care

It feels incomplete because they were clearly hinting at something more to come with Safi. But hey, can't predict a pandemic.

They did say safi is the adult form and is fully grown so there isn't anything beyond safi. The word Safi means pure in Arabic which once again hints that safi is the final form

@@Rageouz The description specifically says fully grown. And besides, we as humans are considered fully grown adults when we're 18 but we're not done developing. In fact our brains aren't fully developed until we're 25, 7 years after we're considered fully grown or adults. So just because Safi may be considered full grown in no way means there wasn't room for further development.

@@bluhmer1990 I mean humans and fictional dragons arent exactly the same when it comes to growth

@@Rageouz All that means is that your statement about Safi having no more room to develop has no backing.

Yup, but due to how poorly they handled MHW in general, they literally killed the game, and that possibility with it, when they had so much more to extract from it.

@@Tu-Li-Oh I don't think they killed the game. This was my 1st Monster Hunter, And I didn't get it until after iceborne was released, so I guess I don't have some of the hang-ups older fans do. I don't agree with every design decision, but it was and still is a phenomenal game imo.

@@tordix4467 I mean, launching Safi, the Endgame boss, with the most broken armor (which made all the others utter trash until Fatalis) at a very early stage in the game is stupid beyond reason. If they released the siege far ahead it's time (around Fatalis, before or even after him) it would have been so much better, and if they had the plan to made Safi into a black dragon, they could have done it perfectly, be it due to the lore in that, or to the time. And it would have made far more sense to have such a broken armor around endgame. That aside, about the design, I dunno why people hate Safi and his design so much, when in MH Lore, the most you look to a vanilla dragon, the more broken you are, which makes sense (see u Fat Alice.) Personally I hate those otherworldy designs, that is why I dislike Valstrax so much.

Wait, didn't they already tweak Safi so that it can be killed in Singleplayer?

@@overlordzenon6001 yup, they damn did.

I've found enough evidence within hunter notes as statements to put Safi above Fatalis. The Admiral's statement about the SotE would include Zorah. In a guide, it is stated that Zorah's shell cannot be harmed by normal weaponry. This means his durability is higher than Fatalis's. Xeno is also stated to wield incalculable power but cannot control it, while Safi can. So with the evidence we have, a fight with Safi and Fatalis would end the moment Safi drops his nuke. Even if Capcom declared him top of the food chain, he does not have any feats that say he could survive that attack. There is also no evidence that he could kill Safi before the nuke is dropped, which would be the only win condition for Fatalis.

And for all we know still has room to grow in power. There were clear plans to explore more of the Secluded Valley but then Covid happened.

@@doczoid- given the fight between ingame safi and Fatalis, Fatalis wins without question. Remember, Fatalis also is one of the oldest monster on record. It’s very existence makes even elder dragons flee, even without seeing it. It’s existence turns the skies black, and in whites’ case, tear a hole in the sky. Fatalis can melt iron with a powerful but wide flame, imagine if it was more concentrated. And remember, Alatreon burned the shed skin of Safi. Fatalis is an unholy powerful monster that is the ultimate goal for hunters. Hell, they even made a literal tale about it.

@@doczoid- There's literally no statement putting Safi above Fatalis, who's been the strongest monster consistently since Day One. The devs themselves said it. Just stop it. Fatalis survives and wipes out the greatest of hunters all the time, shrugs off some of the strongest weapons made by man specifically meant to kill it and obliterated a whole country in an evening. A single flamethrower would melt Safi and Zorah without much effort, while Sapphire of Emperor is gonna do minimal damage *AT BEST* against Fatalis. The melting point of rock is 1200°C at maximum. Fatalis' blue fire? 1400°C at the lowest estimate. Besides, all of Zorah's feats have been done before by Dire Miralis, who boils oceans and sinks entire islands by merely existing. And that dude was still beneath Fatalis. Plus, it may look lanky, but a dragon that can burrow through an entire castle, break free from a guillotine meant specifically to decapitate it and take two simultaneous Dragonator impalements directly to the face and *only get angrier* is a testament to its place at the very top. People have been looking for excuses to dethrone Fatalis since Shagaru Magala, Gogmazios, Nakarkos, Nergigante and now Safi, but no. Fatalis *STILL* remains the top of the food chain and the monster above all monsters for 15 years, since the very first game, no less. Let's not forget: This is *Normal* Fatalis. They only get stronger from here on out.

@@relativelylucky1454 alatreon didn't burna skin from safi'jiiva

As I said in a previous comment, MHW was horribly developed, if they left Safi for the very very end, and actually gave a good ending to the game, Safi would be in the Black Dragon class, for sure. But oh well, shit happened. I still think he is one, and a good boi on top of that.

Oh lord, not this again...

Pretty sure that Safi was the "Ultimate Jiva" you were asking for. He's the closest monster to a black dragon that isn't a black dragon in the series. And even if we were to say get another Jiva, he still wouldn't be on par with Big Fatty, since you know, he's literally been the power ceiling of the franchise since day one, it's extremely doubtful they'd change that over 15 years later. So we got the ultimate endgame boss with Fatty as an send off to iceborne. You can't get any bigger than him in the monster hunter franchise. So it's not like we lost out on some bigger climatic fight, if anything we'd of gotten a lesser one.

@@theworstcatholic7247 I don't think that a new Jiva would be stronger than Fatalis, but they could have a equal power, at least with the Black Fatalis. Because the way I see is that since the ultimate Jiiva atack is said to kill anything organic, it would be the only thing that can kill a Fatalis, it would destroy the whole body and Fatalis wouldn't be able to regenerate, but that's just what I think

@@arthurmartins2687 Maybe Xeno/Safi is a way of dealing with fatalis. Make a god monster to kill another god monster.

No one could comprehend its massive power yet, so there is no lore

I just tried to search for great jagras lore and then I was turn into a aptonoth and swallowed whole

@@mrhoofakfak962 huh ... Same

Everyone says alatreon would win but I personally don't think so

Alatreon would loose horrifically. Both using logic and in lore. Safi is much bigger and is equal to fatalis in power.

@@K3b1bisLtu Safi's size and power would certainly guarantee it victory... ...in a grappling match. However, the odds of them actually fighting in a grappling match are slim to none, because Alatreon is faster than Safi'jiiva, while not being *that* much weaker (fourth most powerful monster, only behind Dire Miralis, Safi'jiiva, and Fatalis, and also the by FAR fastest, most mobile of the Dangerous First-Class Monsters). Additionally, Alatreon has significantly better ranged options, which mostly focus on Area of Effect and multi-hit attacks. The type of attack that is most effective against bigger, slower opponents, such as Safi'jiiva, while Safi'jiiva has a straight-line laser and a big boom that is very exhausting for it to use. Speaking of that big boom, the Iceborne lorebook confirms that Sapphire of the Emperor is unsurvivable. But it also does the same for Erasing Flames and Full Power Escaton Judgement. And Sapphire of the Emperor is the only one of those three attacks that actually has a drawback (namely, being exhausting). And Safi'jiiva, not using elemental attacks, cannot weaken Escaton Judgement. In total, Safi'jiiva has the advantage in raw power, healing (which Dragon-based attacks forces it to use up faster), durability (which may not matter much, due to its lack of elemental resistance), and possibly intelligence. Alatreon has the advantage in speed, maneuverability, versatility, ranged options, stamina, and possibly intelligence. In total, this match will not be easy for whichever one wins. It isn't always the strongest who wins in a fight, after all.

@@elfmonster1476 id say stamina can be tossed to both of them depending in where they fight , if its the elders recess it goes to safi but if its a area with little bio energy like a dessert it goes to al

Gore isn't a elder dragon but Shagaru is though

*Theory:* Chaotic Gore Magala is a teenage Gore Magala whose right arm is overly large from... spending too much time by itself.

@@ProfessionalNamielleLewder69 Chaotic is a gore that failed to turn into Shagaru because a shagaru's frenzy dust cause a mutation in other nearby gore magala that try to turn into shagaru and it forces them to stop, chaotic don't tend to live long and die much earlier then normally Other wise yes

@@ProfessionalNamielleLewder69 Damn. No Nut November must be a nightmare for the poor thing.

@@ProfessionalNamielleLewder69 wait, can magalas be female? What would it be then?

I'm very curious about this, can i have the source of this confirmation or is it in-game info?

@@megumin-staff6937 I don't think there *IS* a source. All that's mentioned in-game is that *MAYBE* Alatreon has a connection with Safi but the characters themselves aren't remotely confident that's the case. Besides, knowing Alatreon's reclusiveness, it went to the *Secluded* Valley specifically because it doesn't like other creatures in general. Either that, or Fatalis happened.

@@ProfessionalNamielleLewder69 i see, just glad that the jiiva dragons are getting the recognition i think they deserve, especially lorewise, they are part of the 5 Original Dragons that created the MH world or related to them. I wish more details come out from Rise or in the next games. By the way I love Alatreon, he is my 1st black dragon just saying😄

Ikr it's awesome seeing him get some recognition

Avalos Altair Miraos I’m willing to acknowledge Safi as Alatreon’s equal... mostly because Fatalis’s return should make it obvious that Alatreon is in no way Fatalis’s equal.

8 months late but I have to disagree. The Elder Crossing happens every decade. It would be strange if this was the first time ever that a Xeno was born. It is far more likely that instead of growing at such horrifying speeds, it took many years to mature into Safi. This should be considered especially because most animals that shed, shed seasonally. It would make perfect sense that given its connection to the Elder Crossing, Safi sheds once every 10 years.

I always saw it as nergigante pushing Zorah into the Everstream. And after that failed, it went into the recess to find the rest of the elders and eat them before Xeno could, or potentially find Xeno itself and kill it.

"We did it patrick! We save the City!" *whole new world exploded*

I don't think the world is ready for Great Jaggi. Especially Ultra Instinct Great Jaggi.

@@ProfessionalNamielleLewder69 *Mastered Ultra Instinct Greatest Jaggi.

Jokes on you: I'm gay squared.

I agree, most considering the size of safi'jiiva it's very unlikely to have grown such bulk in just a few years.

W That doesn't make sence but ok

*Fun Fact:* Guiding Light of the Underworld (or a similar name, I dunno) is the official track name of Xeno's first phase theme.

Avalos Altair Miraos perfect match XD thanks for pointing that out

The lore book Dive Into MH World Iceborne stated Safi IS the adult versione, and is the rival/equivalent to Fatalis/The Black Dragon However it is also implied that even if Safi is fully grown he cane get even more powerful, just like Fatalis can become White Fatalis Also Alatreon was in the Secluded Valley trying to destroy the Xeno Coccoona before it was too late