ALL BLACK DRAGONS So Far In Monster Hunter - Monster Hunter Lore and Ecology 

Pinning this video here for those who keep saying Safi ain't a Black Dragon (: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4aEpfLUHCkU.html Hope you all enjoy the content!

It never sits right with me that Dhalamadur isnt considered a Black Dragon. Seeming as its destructive capibilities should be higher than any other Black Dragon

I appreciate how Iceborne’s three first-classes each invoked both an immediate kill condition and an emphasised weakness. It highlighted both how much more dangerous they were whilst still affirming their mortality. Hopefully Dire Miralis is next to get a revamp, be 6th Gen’s superboss.

I swear when Safi opened its eye I thought it was going to monologue about taking Wyverian gold and burn down Astera while saying "I am bio-energy. I. Am. Death!"

There's a bit of misinformation to disseminate, so let's go over it all: - While "Black Dragon" is applicable, their true shared group is *Forbidden Monsters* in reference to how their members never had info given about them in marketing prior to the 5th generation - The Guild at large never burned records on the Forbidden Monsters, it was a small group within it that only did so for the records on Alatreon - Safi'jiiva isn't a Black Dragon or Forbidden Monster, but an entirely new one known as the "Red Dragon" to contrast Fatalis and the Black Dragons - "White" Fatalis is officially known as *Old Fatalis* nowadays

They're not called Black Dragons. Those are officially known as Forbidden Monsters. There is only ONE "Legendary Black Dragon" and that's Fatalis. The others only have Black Dragon in their title because they were mistaken for Fatalis. Dangerous First Class is a fan made term. The games and books never called them that. The only official classification is "Calamity Class Elder Dragon" which is the highest official class. It also includes the likes of Narwa, the Morahns, Dalamadur, Amatsu, Gaismagorm and other such monsters.

Safi'jiiva is one of the best Elder Dragons to ever exist, I hope Capcom will make more Elder Dragons like him in the future.

I hope we continue to get a balance of reimagined and original monsters in 6th gen, including black dragons. I loved that we got not only Alatreon... not only Fatalis, but Safijiiva. A completely original monster of such immense power. I'd love to see Dire Miralis get a second chance, but I'd love to see new designs even more.

“6th generation monster Hunter coming soon” it got announced like a couple hours after this video went up LMAO

Love Fatalis man. Fighting him in the first game and mhw always felt like fighting the very pinnacle of everything. Have always wanted to fight white and crimson. Hopefully one of thosr will make it into wilds.

The fact that gogmazios isn't a black dragon is outrageous

Sigh. This is why this community is in a mess of misinformation. Black dragons are not a thing and never have been. First of all they were called forbidden monsters which consisted of (fatalis alatreon and dire miralis). This was not a power class just final bosses that were not ever advertised. After the 15th anniversary forbidden monsters were done away with. In terms of power and tiering they are all calamity class elder dragons in which all final bosses consist of. So every final boss like giasmagorm amatsu and shara are on the same tier as "black dragons". The misinformation has to stop and youtubers need to be the ones to do it

Just an addition to specify things a little bit more. Technically speaking the concept of black dragons its a fan invention made by the existence of fatalis, alatreon and dire miralis for the mere motive of being black colored. The only moment in MH history where devs have used this therm was in a interview where they specified that safi was designed originally to be black coloured but they made him red to contrast with fatalis because they also wanted to be his contrapart, but they are equivalent in therms of power. In reality most "final secret monsters" are made to be a "black dragon threat level", the problem here is that a lot of people have romanticised fatalis and the black dragon category a lot. They usually use the history of how a fatalis destroyed Schrade to determine his power but keep in mind one thing, as impresive as it could sound, it only consist on destroying one single region and we have the same examples with other monsters. Is stated that Dalamadur can vanish entire mountains and cities just by moving, Amatsu can pull entire forests to the sky just by being there, a ceadeus youngling who was compared to a kid who is still growing his teeth can produce massive earthquakes, even Akantor have notes referencing that it doesn't have any natural predators and his only threat are Crimson Fatalis, who fights him only for territory. The only ones who are not that powerful are maybe Gogmazios and probably some other monsters who I can't remember right now. We need to remember that the answer to why other monsters doesn't attack cities at that scale like fatalis did it's literally stated in the lore. Normally none monster would attack any city on purpose unless it have a very specific motive and fatalis motive was because white fatalis commanded him to do it during the great old war, because humans where a threat to the ecosystem due to overhunting and colonization. The same occured with Safi for example, Alatreon went to the new world because he was also a threat to the global ecosystem.

Dire miralis is such a gem

I wonder what category Gaismagorm and Shara Ishvalda fall under. Of course Elder Dragon, but they seen maybe on par with some of the Forbidden Monsters

the legend of the 6-horned fatalis may yet one day grace reality... ...and may we hope to survive the calamity that follows

am i crazy for wishing Disufiroa was canon to the black dragon lineage? he's an absolute freak but i cant help but love him for how he is in Frontier

So dalamadur and gogamzios not in the list? One is a snake that makes everest look like a ant hill for it to how big it is And the other spits oil that become nukes at will with plasma beams.

My favorite part of the black dragon lore is that Alatreon is a complete outlier even there. I believe Dire Miralis was classified as a black dragon due to some perceived relation with Fatalis(same skeleton, and Fatalis and Miralis are similar in terms of naming convention). But then, there’s Alatreon, who’s just… really, absurdly destructive. He popped up on scene, was so cataclysmic that the guild went “oh fuck” and branded him a forbidden god.

It warms my heart to see Safi finally being recognized as a black dragon level monster......now it's just amatsu and dalamadur left

Next MH should make the appearance of the "girl in the white robe" or the "scarlet mystery man" because they gave us the most sus quests in old monster hunter games and that includes the Forbidden Monsters.

He wheeled all the elements. He’s basically the avatar.

Very nice video, you should also cut it into shorts for extra content

"Likely coming in the future". My brother in Christ they literally revealed it at the game awards

My biggest MonHun headcanon is that there are a series of ultradragons called red dragons, and are very much like black dragons but instead of focusing on death they focus on life. Where black dragons are all about destruction and the falling of life, red dragons are all about renewal and the cycle of life. I think that Safi’Jiiva is the first recorded red dragon, and that Gaismagorm might be one as well. They’re both focused on recycling and destruction moving upwards, and it makes them very, very different foes from black dragons.

isn't safi a elder dragon. I'm pretty sure they said he's the teen version of xeno and the adult would possibly be able to be classified as a black dragon

gaismagorm: welp, he dint think that i'm a black dragon as well

Imagine if alatreon got a variant which was called Avatar Alatreon able to use all elements at once and highly resistant to all elements but not immune but just all at one star in hunter note’s meaning nearly immune

Hey, its been a while!

Absolutely awesome video! But there’s one monster I’ve always wondered about. “The Akantor” it’s described as a “Black God” does that mean it’s also a legendary black dragon?

up to this day dire miralis theme hits diff

I hope wilds gives us something new to look forward to.

There are 2 more black dragons but infomation is scarce in terms of lore: Disufiora and Merphistopholin.

Alright hear me out i think behemoth is a black dragon/first class monster it has control over magic, multiple elements, and can summon a huge meteor that kills everyone caught in the blast

the timing

Safi is not a black dragon. It’s a contender but not a black dragon. Also for those who played dragons dogma will notice how similar it looks to the main red dragon of that story

so, u said white fatalis is literally coming from another dimension through the eclipse of the sun and moon together ? what if all fatalis comes from that supposed dimension ? or I dunno its complicated :(

Imagine if Saphi could evolve even further, gaining black scales and emiting a pure white glow. And now imagine that it can take on Fatalis and win. my friends i present to you The Great Userper

Monsters are only considered Black Dragons is because they were originally confused as the original Black Dragon Fatalis. Alatreon at first was first confused to be Fatalis but it obviously wasn't, and all of them have "Black Dragon" in their titles, "Blazing Black Dragon" "Smelting Black Dragon" etc. Safi was never confused to be Fatalis nor does it have a "Black Dragon" title so it isn't a part of the same group

Technically speaking, the black dragons are better known as the forbidden monsters as others have stated. Only a few of them have the actual moniker of "black dragon" in their English title. Dire miralis is the "smelting black dragon," Alatreon is the "blazing black dragon," and normal fatalis is simply and most poeticly "Black Dragon." While white fatalis is a forbidden monster you can't really call him a black dragon, his English title is "Ancestral Dragon." He also more commonly known as "Old Fatalis." Safi is also not a black dragon, he's classed as a new type, known as "Red Dragon." Granted allot of this is pure conjecture from player hypothesis as the devs have given no known information on the black dragons as they are true to their names "forbidden monsters." Always a fun topic to discuss though.

The game devs specifically said Safi isn’t a black dragon. He was originally going to be a black dragon but they decided a new gen deserved a new color. So while Safi is a first class monster, he’s actually a red dragon. Not a black dragon. Developer statement; “Safi’jiiva is designed as the equal/counterpart/rival of Fatalis. They wanted to make another Siege fight where you could cooperate with other players, and came up with the idea of depleting energy levels. In terms of design, they wanted to make an equal of Fatalis, while also giving the surprise that “this is what Xeno’jiiva will look like as an adult!”. When they design monsters that look really strong, they tend to end up black-colored, so they made Safi’jiiva red instead to change things up. They wanted it to look like a simple dragon rather than a very original creature design.”

aside from Savi Jiva the Red Dragon, I'm kinda disappointed that no other titled Black Dragon introduced after Dire Miralis, I really loved fighting all of them across generations and platforms

Black Dragons aren't even a legit category bro. Alatreon, Fatalis and Dire are all just forbidden monster and Safi is not in forbidden category. Try not to spread misinformation next time.

Interestingly; White Fatalis’s official name has been revealed by Capcom. It is now Old Fatalis.

Did I miss some dialogue in iceborne? When was safi classified as a first class monster?

What about the Black Dragons in Frontier?

Unnatural history channel is going to have a hard time explaining these guys.

Safi'jiiva is classified as a Black Dragon as well? HOORAY!!!!

Why isnt zorah magdaros on the list? His energy created a hole ecosystem and he has also massive destructive abilities, tho he doesn't use it that much

Video about black dragons and puts safijiva?? Alright then even with a quick Google search you can see that safijiva isn't one and it can be taken down by top class hunters and first class monsters. Would've made more sense to add Merphistophelin and its elemental version.

Altough they are not part of the main series, there's 2 more coming from Frontier and Online, Dhisufiroa and Merphistophelim

It was hell just hell😢 and pain

safii's a special case, he has the power of a black dragon for sure but isn't categorised as one, he's instead refered to as a red dragon, the difference is negligeable however there's one thing safi has that the other elders and black dragons don't, it's complete control of bio energy which kindda relates to dragon energy, but it's also why it is weak to it, now bio energy is kindda just the "essence of wyverns and dragons that died" and is a bit BS overall, but it's cool to see a monster able to fully take advantage of it, might be able to tank a fatalis though the matchup would depend on if the environment is rich in energy or not

Fatalis, Angry Fatalis, Old Fatalis... and the others

I know savigiva was in a craxy lore but was it really classified as a black dragon

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Hey, you’re missing Disufiroa. Hmmph

And fun fact : THEY ALL REALLY FUN TO FIGHT.

I never see any love for gogmazios

What about the King of Elderdragons Guanzorumu?

Who will win?! - A Black Dragon that has the power to change the landscape by sneezing Or - A half naked woman carrying a fish sword, who chugged 2 drugs on the spot and her cat.

Im not sure but isnt Dalamadur a Black Dragon?

By the way you forgot two other black dragons Disufiroa and Merphistophelin. Disufiroa comes from monster hunter frontier and Merphistophelin is from monster hunter online

I liked the part where anywhere it has been said Safi jobs being s black dragon but still is on this video

Safi jiva should be a Red Dragon right?

Merphistophelin and Disufiroa 0_o

I would love to fight Safi but why did they make it a seige and not like fatalis. I killed fatalis and Alatreon so much but never safi once 😭

Safi is not been know as a black dragon yet

u are missing some like Disufiroa and Merphistophelin

Question if safi is a black dragon does that mean xeno is as well? Xeno IS a baby safi I think it could be in a new category like minor black dragon where it can become a black dragon but at the time doesn’t have the power to be considered one

DUDE... The White Fatalis is EITHER NOT A BLACK ELDER. He is an ancient Dragon like Shah Dalamadur or the Primordial Malzeno. If you do something, damn god, do it right.

I never see any love for gogmazioz

I Know Some People Might have Complained with Rise Sunbreak not having a "Black Dragon" but i Believe the Canon is Tier Class one Monsters With Safi Jivva in Icebrone I Personally Believe Gaismagorm is a Tier Class 1 Monsters Vocals in it's theme Destroy Ecosystem into Dead Emepty wastelands with the Qiruo and having the Lore being the Fairytale of "The Archdemon of the Abyss" Even the Qiruo keep on going after the Monster Death and Making Other Monsters go Insanely Powerfully needing the best Gear to Take Down ECT

Kind of sad the video did not mention the Black dragons Disufiora and Merphistophelin, but considering they're not part of the Main Line MH it's understandable.

The strongest black dragon is the white one.

white fatalis is canonically called old fatalis now

These all the BBCs?

5:48 correction it’s the teenager form

Wait Safi is a black dragon? I thought she was just a really strong elder dragon

but....but you forgot Disufiroa

Heroes Of Might and Magic

did i read the words "black" and "white fatalis" right? regular fatalis is black, crimson is (mostly) red and safi is also red and white fatalis is - who would have thought - white and not black if anything you could argue that kushala is black, even though it is more silver and grey but what

Safijiiva is NOT a black dragon. It is no where stated officially that it is a black dragon, only that it's visual design was inspired by fatalis.

You forgot the merphistophelin , and isn't the Amastu a black dragon ?

im like 90% sure safi aint a black dragon

safi is so fucking cool

My dumbass only considering actually elder dragons with black scales as black dragons. And yes, that includes kushala daora

So… one of these things is not like the others… safi’jiva was explicitly stated to be the red dragon an equivalent to fatalis but not a black dragon

You forgot merphistophelin

When did capcom confirmed that safi'jiva is a black dragon? LoL

i dont know if safi was officially classified as black dragon

safi is a black dragon?

Alatreon are easy but the problem is the nuke😂

Safijiva is not a black dragon. It has never been referred to as one It may have become one but isn’t one or referred to one

Fun fact. Safi Jiva and Xeno Juva are straight up aliens to the world of minster hunter as jn their origins are not from that planet

Safi isn't considered a black dragon.

Dire mira is a black dragon safi isn’t it’s was trying to become one though

Didn't they confirm safi isn't a black dragon?

Where is disufoara and merphistothilin

When was safi ever considered a black? And if we count online games you missed two official (but non-mainline) black dragons.