Monster Hunter Rise Trivialized Invaders 

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It's worth mentioning Crimson Glow is still kind of a trivialised invader. When he ambushes another monster in a fight, the divebomb does not damage *you*, only the monster. It's another assist!

I don't think anything will match the "oh shit" feeling I got the first time I heard Qurupeco use Jho's roar

TBF Iceborne had one of the dumbest invaders (Banbaro) both in-game and in-lore wise.

One fix could be making apexes invaders since they can't be ridden. Just tweak their AI to pursue the players and target monsters more often as well. They are some of the most powerful monsters, which adds intimidation.

Aside from the invader mechanic, the fact that you know where every monster in the game is on a map that is always on screen is actually one of my least favorite things about Rise. The search could be a lot more fun in a game as fast as this, especially with the extra buffs and items you can pick up around the map, or the high spots you can use as vantage points.

Apparently the justification for being able to see monsters on the map at all times is because....of your pet owl. That's it. Your magic owl just tells you where they are...somehow

I think Sunbreak has the potential to bring back proper invasions if they put an Apex monster on the map. It wouldn’t be as great as older games, but it would at least prevent the invader from giving a free wyvern ride.

Completely agree. Also I find that the invaders are made less threatening once again due to the pop-up... "Valstrax ambush". It just completely takes away from the experience and would be much more adrenaline pumping to just hear the Valstrax wind up noise and that is your queue to run for your life... because that sound is terrifying. (The pop-up should be an accissibility feature for those with hearing impairments... not set as default.)

It really just became a bonus sadly... I usually get hyped when a monster comes in instead of being afraid of it. And seeing Rajang just sleep somewhere for the first time in High Rank was kinda lame too... Tho Valstrax’s ambush is really damn cool so there’s that at least!

I'll never forget the first time I ran into Jho in World while doing the first Rathalos quest of HR. Came walking up the tree to the nest at the top of Ancient Forest as the theme kicked in andcarted my arse in a one-shot. Seregios as well, being a total shocker when it showed up during that Rathian capture quest. And when Bazel showed up during the Diablos quest. Shit was terrifying whenever you saw them in the distance. Now ofc in Rise, they just got shafted some. Bazel tho is weirdly fun to wyvern ride tho

I think Valstrax's ambush attack is a precursor for what they intend to add in Sunbreak, giving more monsters "invading" attacks. I do think having to react to the suprise of an invader is fun, but I disagree that it ever inspired fear or that the mere existence of an invader did anything more than give a sense of "oh, that's here too; neat." Making them more aggressive towards players would increase difficulty, but more difficulty doesn't automatically equal more fun. It would get real old real fast, and we'd just resort to dung podding them every time to not deal with it anyways. For that, I think World did it best with invaders jumping the player, maybe getting in a turf war that was fun to watch, and then just being in the area too; which is kinda neat.

I feel Bazelgeuse has been trivialised since Iceborne. I miss the days when Bazel would just roll up and do it's best to mess the hunt up. It was so much fun and it gave Bazel so much character.

I wish they'd have the invader actually kick out one of the other monsters instead of being on the map at the start (Rise Rajang). I guess I almost wouldn't mind just going back to 1 or 2 monsters on the map at a time without an invader or something.

Bazelgeuse my first invader after that came deviljho but Bazelgeuse in world was a beast when it came to invasion a shame they nerf him in rise.

Great video outlining some issues the maps system and mounting and invasions. I actually find bazel much more challenging as a straight up fight in Rise than I did in world, so if he actually actively pursued hunters and target monsters like he used to, it would be a great way to inject some challenge into the game

I dont know how, but even with all the weird stuff rise has done that i dont like, It still managed to be my favourite game

Still remember the first time I did the G-rank desert Seltas quest still wearing high rank armor trying to build some kind of G-rank defense early on, only for an Apex Rajang to tag along and throw a moon sized boulder at me while I shit bricks. I would love to feel that feeling again, that feeling that no matter how competent I am the game can throw a curveball to keep me on my toes. Can't happen in rise if Rajang is just napping in area 5 of desert plains.

I remember back on 3U for 3ds, my game would lag for a split second whenever a monster spawns partway through a quest, so I had a psychic power to know when the pickle demon was in the vicinity, but not knowing where it was and with how scary he was back then made seeing that lag spike fill me with fear and dread

I would like it to be a mix of Unknown from Frontier and the post hunt warning system. If they are invading then it needs to seek out the hunter or literally swan on top of the player area.

I don't think World did the invasion mechanic well, imo. My biggest problem with it is just how frequently monsters invade your fight, start their scripted roaring contest, and then proceed to get dung bombed and leave. I've had it several times where I dung pod a monster, just for them to return minutes later. Like I said, it just happens so frequently per hunt that it just becomes super annoying and really takes me out of the immersion of the fight. As a result, every time a Bazelgeuse/Deviljho/etc. invades my fight instead of being like "oh shit, it's a Deviljho" it's just "ugh, it's a Deviljho"

Rise trivialized more than just invasions IMO

Idk I get what you mean but I personally think invaders are only cool early game, when you're scared and don't know what's going on. But late game it just gets annoying, when you're trying to do something and that damn bazel music plays you just groan

Honestly Magnamalo would make a really good invader-type monster too, which makes the truth of this video doubly sad

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I think this is part of the trend which IMO was best described in a review of MHRise by Captain Astronaut: "More Devil May Cry, less Demon's Souls". This is such a great analogy, as both franchises are great, but one is renowned for its supreme delivery of difficulty and conscious combat. MH will always be a great game, but if you happen to be in it for the DS-part of it, you better also like DMC!

Totally agree. I wish they would increase the threat of monsters running across each other. Honestly if I was to change the entire mounting system I would say it should just apply a free wall slam and do some kind of fancy finisher during dismount and leave it at that. Invaders need to be that, invasive and dangerous to the success of the hunt. Not a free ride, damage, and drops.

I still fondly remember trying my luck fighting Valstrax in Generations Ultimate when it came after completing a certain urgent quest. You hear the happy complete music and then suddenly the game just shoots a blaring warning signal.

In World I was farming Rathalos with my friend during the early parts of Iceborne. A Velkhana suddenly dropped into my ancient forest quest and changed the music and began to fight us. That single moment was more terrifying than anything Rise has ever tried to throw at me.

Really nice video! I think an interesting topic to explore next would be how elder dragons were back in earlier gens vs now. I feel like most of their status as legendary beasts was lost and are now just another monster for you to farm and make armor out of.

Pretty much spot on there. Aside from Seething Bazel losing the invader mechanic in Iceborne I liked how World handled it but every monster becoming a tool for free damage and barely a threat is a massive step down in terms of being interesting.

Savage jho in iceborne was terrifying knowing where he was created a huge obstacle of a zone you don't want to go to, and when he just decides to appear the second you don't check your minimap he literally jumpscare carts you

Hey man, good video! I really liked hearing your take on this, as someone who's been playing through all the older MH games. Having played 4U and World myself, I do miss the surprise of not knowing what I can expect.

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I love the idea they followed with wyvern riding in MHR, and I love how they keep up the great effort to always bring something new to upcoming MH entries. How cool is the fact you can ride those monsters and utilize them as a weapon. This is rise and rise stands for it's own for me. Just like any other MH alteration. Personally, I feel like rise is too easy and monsters not ganging up on hunters is a part of that problem. Somehow I think there is logic behind the fact a Tigrex would fight another apex predator like Anjanath when they enter each other's areas and not bother for the annoying two legged thing that tripple pokes it with it's lance (just kidding, we all know there are no lance players in rise). That being sad, I'd love to see both of them team up on 4 hunters though, treading them like the snack they represent for such powerful creatures. I think there is a sweetspot but we won't see that with the DLC. The good thing is: there will be changes and completely new ideas in upcoming MH games, and I'm grateful the MH teams ALWAYS deliver fun experiences with any release they drop.

I remember the first time Picklejho invaded my Quest in Mhp3rd was terrifying. I carted right away.

I think a unique mechanic they could implement is having monsters that were used for wyvern riding to become incredibly hostile towards the player. It could be that, immediately after a dismount, the monster enters a buffed rage state where they ignore everything except for the player unless a dung bomb is used.

I agree, in Rise it's just a bonus whenever another monster shows up. Throw a silkbind attack and you can use them to crush your target. I haven't thrown a single dung-bomb in Rise while I used it a lot in World.

I've had recurring nightmares about getting chased by Deviljho since he first appeared in Tri. World managed to make that worse with the ability to hide and hope monsters lose interest. Now I have nightmares about a Deviljho appearing outside my house while I try desperately to hide in an interior room before he sees me through a window and inevitably clips through a wall to drag me out. Needless to say, invaders are very important.

I like the idea of invaders not appearing immediately on the map, but replacing another monster and making a beeline for you. Them also not being wyvern rideable, perhaps maybe for the first 5 minutes or so of their spawn time, would be a good way to make them an active threat for you.

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I've only played rise, but I feel like the Akuma event quest with the bigger rajang is the only invader-type that actively doesn't leave you alone. I want more of that, tbh

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Man i remember iceborne rajang an actual invader, he once followed me all the way back to the same area the camp was in, and despite not being able to reach me, he sat outside firing fireballs continuously, literally jarring

Theres no fear more than seein devil jho suddenly pop out from the ground

Wait, invaders existed in Rise??

Weird that Rise still has the best invader, Valstrax. You can be fighting another monster and Valstrax will see you both and use his ambush to blow everything up. Now if only Rise didn't warn you about an incoming Ambush this mechanic would be perfect.

Love how I saw super saiyan rajang for a sec and now I can’t get it out of my head.

I also feel the same could be said of the Elder Dragons at least in presence. In Rise they feel like normal monsters now albeit they are still some of the more difficult targets. Back in Gen 1 and 2 the map would be devoid of all monsters except for Remobra which in lore follow Elder Dragons (EDs) and Neoptereons like Vespoids, likely just to annoy players (and the Gunner Master Race of old specifically). The lack of monsters was explained as all other monsters getting the hell out and as far away as possible because they don't want to mess with or even be near an ED. And the old repelling mechanics also made it appear that this was an epic battle between you and a specific foe that eventually ended in you having tracked down your adversery over great distances and dealing the final blow. Not to mention their quests wouldn't be permently available and would cycle in and out to show their rarity since they travel around so much. In 3rd gen there were no "normal" EDs. All 3rd Gen EDs were fought in a siege or special arena setting. In 4th gen small monsters would be on the map, but would run away if it entered the zone and even things like Rhenoplos would leave immediately. They also got rid of the old school repel mechanic and only Rusted Kushala in 4U kept that mechanic. In base World the map would be devoid of all monsters except for in the Vale for Hazaak's Effluvium mechanic and Odogaron. This was also the first time 2 EDs could appear in 1 quest as this explained by them gathering in the area due to the Elder Crossing. However, while they had presence they were now "normal" quest monsters being that you had to kill them in the duration of 1 quest like a normal hunt now. No repelling mechanic except for in story beats and for Zorah and Kulve. Then in Iceborne EDs could now appear in Expeditions and there could be 1 large non-ED monster on the map with them. In Rise their presence is nerfed. They now appear with 2 other large monsters with no issue and the map will be now fully inhabited. Their presence doesn't have the same gravitas anymore

Maybe they should ad back loading zones back but in a way to split a gigantic map to 3-4 pieces of the map but make it so some monster can spawn or sleep or appear in one map and when you are hunting a specific monster and it runs to another split map it can make you and the other monster aware of your present and do the invader macanic but this will be a problem cause if you insta kill a monster Right in a area and not go anywhere else it won't happen and some players when hunting a group of different monsters will have to back track to find them but this can be solve by when a certain time the monster will flee instantly to another split zone with a tunnel or the thing in monster hunter rise and with the introduction of many camps you can fast travel fast

I will never forget when I replayed World with my friends and Bazel invaded us for the first time. They were totally clueless so I took the opportunity to make the surprise even bigger, as soon as I saw one of the explosive scales on the map I said to them "Hey come here and look at this weird pinecone", it was hilarious when Bazel came divebombing in a couple of seconds later They have been scared of "the pinecone monster" from that point on, at every hunt the question was "are we prepared if he shows up?" and that was what made Bazel special for me

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I dabbled into monster hunter games on 3ds and GU but only really started playing when I got world on ps4. One of the most memorable moments of my time in world is when I was hunting a barroth with my friend who had been playing since day 1 and suddenly he told me to run and then bazel came crashing down on us and barroth. It was terrifying and awesome and I love bazel for it. Sad to see what they did to them in Rise

*flashbacks to 3u* yeah i remember the days sigh damn bird mimicking deviljho roar

Wait was that rajaang wearing saiyan armor? That's gold!

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Thanks papa Rad for providing awesome content, as usual. Let’s us hope Sunbreak improves upon the overall experience

Honestly, being a new player who hopped on World about a Year and a half ago and Rise only recently, I feel like Rise was kind of a test to see how far they could bring the MonHun formula in the direction of Action-Game. Sticking to that philosophy the developers made a lot of changes that pulled Rise away from previous games' systems. Whether that is good or bad is a matter of opinion, but I really liked the direction they went while also really enjoying the previous systems that were in World and respecting the ones I've seen from previous games. In my opinion people go a little too hard on Rise because they expect it to be just like the previous games only expanded while I think the developers were meaning to purposefully test how far they can go in one direction with MonHun and still ended up making an incredibly fun and enjoyable experience. However I honestly respect and agree with all of the criticisms of Rise in the context of comparing it to the older games, I just don't think thats what the developers were aiming for. Maybe a slight change in marketing would have been better for certain players who actually hate Rise for these changes as the devs could have better voiced how much the formula would change. What do you all think?

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I think we need invasion monsters that benefit from other monsters like baruragaru that way there threat could increase based on what your hunting? Or maybe some monsters that can stand better against certain wyvern rides like I feel that rathalos and rathian respectively could handle the other in a fight

That was a great video!

It’s so satisfying to hear someone pronounce “bazelgeuse” the same way i do

Your thumbnail had me confused thinking this was some Elden Ring invader meme. Then i read Rise, thought about it, an realized; "I completely forgot invaders was a mechanic in Rise"

I remember getting to high rank in world and hunting a tobi kadachi (or something small like that) and suddenly this huge terrifying thing (bazel) divebombs the fight and just wipes the floor with me and the tobi. I had to just get tf out of there to recuperate and figure out my plan now and how to finish the hunt while avoiding that thing. Stuff like that is comoletely missing from rise (along with a kot of other stuff). I think for this specific issue the blame comes down to wyvern riding. Which is a terrible imo.

Yeah I think they need to add something in the system so that the game actually tags them as invader monster. That way mount gauge doesn't build for them easily, but I'd in fact 3 times if not more harder to ride them. I remember being so excited to see bazel in the map for the first time as an invader, and being completely disappointed that he really didn't even seem to try to engage the fight at all.

I feel like this would be as easy as making some kind of quest variant with no map, no wyvern riding (even no wire bugs in general if you want to go crazy) no camps and aggressive invaders.

I really never thought about that. I'm Gen 1,2 and partially 3 player (Portable 3rd) and I do remembered the egg quest suddenly Rathalos appeared, it is terrifying. But I feel like after playing World and then Rise it seems like it's a total step down to what World was doing. Yes I know it is a Switch game but it's... you know. Oh and one thing I thought Dragonator is a scarce thing that the old world(pre-MH) left but Kamura have dozens of them and now it seems just become trivial.

One solution could be having the invaders appear so terrifying they can even drive away other monsters? So the monster you're trying to hunt is constantly on the run from the invader, instead of them engaging in a direct battle that leads to easy wyvern rides.

In world, when a monster invaded the hunt, most often than not I sheathed my weapon and ran around the monsters to not get hit, they were really a treath sometimes, but in rise they are just more damage to the monster you're hunting, you don't have the felling of fear from them anymore, specially with Deviljho not being in the game

Invaders are unironically scary. One of my first experiences with them was hunting a Deviljho in mhgu only for a Savage Deviljho to show up and crank the intensity to overkill levels. The new changes to Rise are nice but they trivialize the "hunt" part of the game in favor of focusing solely on combat. Loved the video man, great work as always!

If you try to explain this to the Rise kiddies on Reddit, Steam, Twitter or other forums, they call you a gatekeeper, elitist, or some other names.

Honestly I feel like there should be a tradeoff for wyvernriding, like for instance both the monster you ride and the monster you use it against getting instantly enraged and staying in the zone to fight you

I wouldn’t mind having it so only your quest target shows on the map and all other monsters stay hidden, allowing you to actually be surprised when something shows up.

for the most part I prefer it I genuinely didnt enjoy random monsters interupting fights to thwack me twice and stall the quest, although I do think certain monsters should be scarier and target the player over the other monster

I've only watched 1 minute of the video but, I completely agree with the title they've trivialized invaders (they just don't hit the same)

Would glavenus count as an invader when he shows up in that one mushroom quest?

Sick vid man. Playing GU right now and that surprise Glavenous made me scream! Also now is the time. Which is better: Poogies, Moofahs, Cohoots, or Gu-ku’s? (And why is it Moofy?)

Rise trivialized everything. I doesn't even feel like I'm playing Monster Hunter anymore.

Also I agree with what you're saying You always know what's gonna be around the corner. You just watch the map and anticipate when it'll enter your area. I used to be reasonably scared of Rajang, too. Even in World where I'd have some good gear, soloing Jang was still something I had issue with at times. Now in Rise I could solo him if I wanted to and do so with ease. I love Rise for amping the fun anime factor by a million, but some things that didn't need to removed or changed kinds remove the fun in it. Monsters I've never seen before when staring to hunt I just know the location of instantly? Even mystery monsters remove the mystery aspect if I know their location. And now that I know an ambush from Valstrax while around another monster won't hurt me, it makes me hope that Sunbreak will remove these safeguards for newer players and make it feel both fun and scary this time around.

9:25 Funny you would mention that, I actually added Dung Bombs to nearly all my item loadouts and in 100hr of Rise on PC I probably used them... once! Yeah, they are really not worth it.

Good stuff as usual SuperRad. I realllly hope Sunbreak fixes these things. I think Wyvern Rides should be harder to get. Along with monsters need to be shrouded on the map somehow. Let’s see what Capcom does!

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monsters don't even interrupt hunters when they carve when the main monster dies the other monster in the area just drops everything and leaves

They could make invaders, or all monsters, have much higher wyvernride thresholds, and don't always go for each other. This setting is enabled in multi-monster arenas, so i dont see why they didn't make it all the same. Even world knew if u could cc an invading monster easily it would be a non-threat, and so non-targets have their mount threshold increased.

Dung bombs are in Rise? I've never once used it nor have I've seen someone use it.

You know, making Apex monsters as aggressive invaders would solve most of the problems that you listed

I got into the monster hunter series through rise but I would always play all the demos on the nintendo before. When I saw bazelgeuse in world and its invading mechanic it just convinced me to start playing an mh game on the switch and I was even happier when I discovered bazel through a quest. Honestly i hoped to feel first hand an invade from the bomber but I didn't feel that much of a threat and thanks to this video i get the reason. I love rise but would've liked if they left that mechanic and im hoping something will change it in the expansion.

I mean dude... carrying a handful of sh*t in your inventory has trivialized invading monsters forever.

There’s so many small changes you could make to rise to make invaders cool again and be an “oh shit” moment not an “oh nice” moment, have other monsters often leave the area do invaders can still get the element of surprise by invading immediately on spawn, have invading monsters stay behind after you wyvern ride them and maybe even have it enrage them so they’re an even bigger threat, or at least remove the boosted wyvern ride damage on invaders.

You just made me realize I've not used a single dungbomb in rise.

I just wish when theres 2 monsters in the area they wouldnt just ignore the hunter until the wyvernride happens

yeah honestly, as a newcomer to Monster Hunter, Monster Hunter World and subsequently Iceborne, is my first time ever in the franchise. I like how it flows and sure while having the Bazelgeuse fight the monster I was fighting "helped", I knew the second I got more involved besides looking I was bound to find myself carpet bombed. same with Deviljho, if I got involved I could almost guarantee I'd be running as fighting anything alongside a Deviljho that isn't a Great Jagras is practically suicidal in the game. I was always scared of fighting multiple monsters at once and it felt great. Rise honestly looks like a step down from what World showed and it kinda hurts in some strange way.

Rise Rajang "sorry didn't set my alarm"

It would be perfect if Lagiacrus returned as a invading monster in Sunbreak, or a future game. But it has to be done right

I miss rajang hurling massive boulders at me And furious chucking mountains in my direction 😔