The Biden administration recently announced it finalized a rule requiring people who sell firearms online and at gun shows to conduct background checks on potential buyers.
@@kenofken9458 No congress did not make a new law. The Biden administration made a rule that the ATF is going to enforce they call it a rule because it’s not a law passed by congress they literally can’t legally call this rule a law if that tells you anything about there “rule “ that is enforced with the weight of law.
The border has NEVER been closed. There hasn't been a single day that people haven't crossed it, probably in a few thousand years or so. Not to mention 5k miles of Northern border that isn't even fenced. It would take trillions of dollars to do what Reps think Trump supposedly did. Even though the guy before him deported even more people/yr. How about we stop the spending, before you all bankrupt us with MORE gov?
Your votes don't matter anymore. American citizens are NOT GOING TO DO anything you Democrat or Republican political domestic terrorists and traitors tell us to do. Nothing you can do to stop us either. Enjoy what you created!!!!
Ya, what is a gunshow loophole exactly? If you're a dealer at a gunshow or anywhere else, you have to do a background check. If you're a private citizen with a gun to sell, gunshow or otherwise, no background check. That's not a loophole. It's just how it is.
It's a bad name, but it is a loophole. These are people that are NOT registered sellers at the show, but find customers there anyway with the intention of dodging background checks.
Not here they are not licensed 60% are unlicensed , no ID required no record keeping. It's why I quit setting up at shows. Folks would rather pay more for no paper work used guns than buy brand new from me and go through the NICS process. Plus they can sell to non residents, criminals, illegal aliens anyone with cash. I do not favor this action by the government but here flea markets and gun shows are sources for illicit guns
Well almost 10% of people who respond to online ads from unlicensed sellers would fail a background check. That's the point of this. Not the gun show sellers, but people who aren't officially sellers there that skirt the system and still make profits from selling guns. What is the big deal about making sure gun buyers get background checked? I just bought my 4th firearm in 4 months and I have zero problem when the gun shop runs me through NICS. That's the system doing its job.
Precisely who's doing that? This rule doesn't take guns away from anyone. It just means sellers have to be more accountable through licensing, just like health codes for restaurants. Pretty sure that's a good thing.
ATF is already violating federal law by creating a registry from 4473 forms. They are prohibited by Congressional legislation from doing that, but they do it anyway. This new rule is simply another example of the Executive Branch usurping power it does not have. The change in the statute that occurred in 2022 did not grant this kind of authority to rule by Executive Decree. It pisses them off that they don't know who purchases or owns every gun in the country. The crazy thing is that ATF is now insisting that anyone who sells a single firearm must first obtain an FFL, while at the same time ATF is actively putting FFLs out of business over paperwork errors. Once this rule goes into effect (before it gets thrown out in the federal courts) the best solution is to have EVERY gun owner send in an application for an FFL. Imagine, ATF being flooded with tens of millions of FFL applications. They will not be able to handle the volume, which brings to mind the old saying, "Be careful what you ask for."
the government is famous for creating a problem so that they can make new laws to fix the problem (control the peasants) they created and then claim they have to raise your taxes to fix the problem they created
The Constitutional Amendments are not laws. They are part of a charter. I am VERY 2A loving, but nothing is absolute. Only Sith Lords see the world in black or white.
@@Chief_Handler_is_better_than_U I can tell you there are absolutes. I will absolutely give my life if required to defend the constitution, my family, and their rights.
Than what are we doing? Ever since 1934 the American people have listened to daddy government, maybe whined a little, but in the end they do what they say. No more.
“whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends [life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness], it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government.” The Declaration of Independence
Great reporting, no bias, no research…there is no such thing as a gun show loophole. Legislators deliberately chose to exempt private sales from the requirements of an FFL.
@@jimdandy8119 dude they already know... 4473 is registration. They're gearing up for confiscation. The gov class is in full fear mode right now. They're losing power and they know it.
Is this a new law passed by duly elected legislators or a rule arbitrarily foisted upon the citizenry by a authoritarian Soviet type administrator apparchik representing the oppressive/repressive administrative state?
@@robertbinder7296 you say “unenforceable” as if you do it, then there won’t be consequences. Unless I am mistaken in your statement. It’s like saying murder is unenforceable…. of course it’s going to happen… of course some will get away with it… doesn’t mean they won’t send a hit squad after you and call it justified because you broke the rules.
@nuanenfreohr comparing murder to this new rule is like comparing apples to watermelons. The vast majority of the population knows that murder is wrong and have no desire to commit such a crime. The vast majority doesn't even know about this new rule and many never will. Also there are many ways to solve a murder. With this new rule, how are they possibly going to know what you sold to who and for how much? Even if there were a registration (which I'm sure they will try as well), there is no possible way for them to know unless you tell them or keep it documented. MAYBE if you have a vengeful ex-girlfriend or wife or knows about such a transaction? But hearsay is not admissible in court.
The best part is how they didn't even tell you everything the new law states. If a private citizen sells their personally owned firearm for more than they paid for it. They're now considered a "firearms dealer" and will be charged with a felony for selling firearms without a license. Don't forget the $250,000 fine.
That's not how it works. Making a profit is not illegal. What's a problem is pretending that you're just selling from a personal collection when it is in fact a sales inventory. Selling a personal firearm is not a problem, or selling several. The problem begins when you start repurchasing the same models and selling them over and over sending them onto buyers almost as soon as you receive them.
@@kenofken9458That’s exactly how it works, I’ve read the 466 pages personally. It directly states numerous times that even up to 1 dollar made can be constitute profit made. It also says “even up to one sale made” and is followed up with “might be” 😂
It's an order for a branch of the government to enforce a "rule", law, whatever. And they will. If you want to buy a firearm, don't do it at these gunshows. Not hard.
Contact your county Sheriff's and petition them to protect their people and uphold the Constitution which they swore to do! Same as with the governor y'all have there. And IF the ATF comes anywhere in states to do anything which violates the Bill of Rights then the Sheriff and his deputies need to arrest them if there's more than one. A sitting Sheriff IS the top peace officer in a county and out ranks a sitting president so definitely an ABC agency.
@@HWG-wm8ld That's part of for example calling. I can learn a lot real fast just by the tone and response given about it. You're right though. And those Sheriff's are in violation of their oaths, etc.
What part of Columbine was a "gun show loophole"? Even if the friend went through an FFL it was still a straw purchase which is already illegal. The guy that sold the gun to the boys knew they were making an illegal sale. Where's the loophole?
No government official has any legal lawful constitutional authority or jurisdiction to pass or enforce any form of gun laws whatsoever in the united states of America under the supremacy clause, article 4 section 2 paragraph 1, second amendment,9th amendment,10th amendment,14th amendment section 1.
I am from NYC Born and raised here. What is puzzling me is why is our Government going so hard on good law abiding citizens and not attacking gangs and Criminals with illegal guns who are actually committing the crimes? Can a Politician answer this? Why are you attacking law abiding citizen focusing so hard on disarming them, knowing how much crime there is out there?
I've read through some of this new rule and it is very confusing. Some of it makes it seem like you could go to jail just for selling one gun without paperwork. Another section makes it seem like it is ok only if you do it occasionally. Which is it and what is their definition of "occasionally" ? The federal government probably wants this new rule to be vague and confusing so people are afraid of even attempting private sales and it allows them to enforce the rule anyway they see fit.
@@kenofken9458Lol it’s actually extremely confusing. It’s 466 pages long so I know you’re lying if you say you understand it in any capacity. It’s extremely vague, “profit” isn’t specifically defined anywhere in that 466 pages, so 1 dollar made could be considered profit, it doesn’t define what something that’s “valuable” is, it says even up to 1 gun sale privately “might” consider you “in the business”. These are just of few of the problems, the biggest one being that it openly removes due process by placing the burden of guilty on you and expecting you to prove your innocence meaning you can be arrested for whatever charges they conjure up without any evidence.
@@kenofken9458Ok, so the only way it'll be traceable is if the guns someone buys to sell for a profit are strictly from someone who has an FFL or.......... they plan on making a registry. Otherwise there is now way to enforce it. It's garbage and anyone with a brain can see right through it.
the government that will charge you with a crime and use your tax dollars to run you through court. Remember that the process is part of the punishment for the government. If they can drag you through court and waste your time and money , then they won. They have unlimited resources from your taxes, you have only your hard earned money that you have been saving.
They have always done backround checks, for years. Our politicians don't know their butts from a hole in the ground about much of anything, but that doesn't stop them from meddling in everything. 😮
Gun shows aren't going away. Most sellers are licensed dealers, and have their own gun shops. They already do the background checks at gun shows. Been doing that for years.
We have a Elmer Fudd floating around in the comments, and he's willing to lick the d%cks of government for that so called safety....he, or maybe a she, or maybe an it...but loves the idea of the Biden regime boot on our necks. So yep, there many, even in our ranks, that will holler, safety, safety, here is my liberty, just please do more background checks harder.
Your statement is mostly false. "In the case of the Columbine weapons, prosecutors said three of the four guns - the woman bought two shotguns and a rifle - fired in the deadliest school shooting in U.S. history may have been purchased legally. Story from April 27th, 1999 Three guns used in the massacre at Columbine High School were bought last year by Dylan Klebold’s girlfriend shortly after her 18th birthday, investigators said Monday. Under Colorado law was legal for someone age 18 could buy a long gun and turn around and give it to a minor (under the age of 18) She was not charged with anything. The 4th gun: TEC-DC9, the semiautomatic pistol Manes also pleaded guilty to possession of two illegal sawed-off shotguns that he used at a shooting range with Harris and Klebold weeks before the attack. Manes will be sentenced on both counts on Oct. 14. He faces up to six years in jail for providing the handgun and three years for the shotgun charge.
Beyond stupid. Just shows us it’s NOT about safety but about more revenue for the government. Now people will have too pay for an FFL just too make a private firearm sale. Ridiculous 🙄
I'm all for rules that support my local gun shop owners because the profits they make are used in my community. The background check rule of 1968 was thought to apply only to owners of brick and mortar gun stores. This put gun shop owners who were required to be licensed and perform background checks at a competitive disadvantage. The DOJ was asked to clarify the language regarding who was and who wasn't required to have a federal firearms license. The new language states that anyone engaged in selling firearms for profit is considered to be a firearms dealer. Effecively it means that on-line sellers and sellers who do not have a store must now be licensed and follow the same rules as brick and mortar shop owners.
Legislation through executive orders is unconstitutional. I really wish this executive crap would end. You want a new law? Then put it through the legislative branch like it is meant to.
A private seller should be allowed to sell a firearm as long as the seller is not engaged in the business of dealing in firearms. What is happening is all about grabbing control. The government will keep grabbing more and more control until they have control of everything. The U.S. is a republic, and the people are in control. The government is just our employees we hired to manage the place.
Yes, today it is a out of our control police state, that is intentionally making us into criminals so it c a n deal with us one by one, just like the guy in Arkansas. What should we do ?
The rule was always "engaged in the business of" and you need an FFL. That was always an unclear rule. They are simply clarifying it and it is no longer based on simply a number of firearms sold, it's the intent of whether you bought and sold to make a profit.
The "gun show loophole" means that a person who isn't legally able to purchase a firearm can go to a gun show and buy one anyway because there's no background check required
@@jeffanon1772 But what you described, doesn't exist. Every vendor has to have an FFL, and the buyer needs to complete a background check. Private sellers can only sell specific weapons (bolt actions, single shot, shotguns, muzzle loaders) without the need for an ffl\background check; however, they still require a valid ID to verify they're of age. ATF agents are also posted at every gun show to verify purchases and check bags at the doors.
There is no Gun Show Loophole, there is a "private sale exemption" in which private parties can sell and buy firearms without a background check, whether they are at a gun show or the privacy of their own home.
