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Monty Williams SHOULD NOT RETURN As Detroit Pistons HC, Despite Incredible Fred Vinson Hiring 

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The Detroit Pistons have hired an incredibly respected shooting coach in Fred Vinson from New Orleans; however, this should NOT be enough to keep Monty Williams around and Tom Gores needs to step in if that's the case.
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@elblouses128
@elblouses128 3 месяца назад
Crazy to say that Gores should step in. It’d defeat the whole point of the POBO
@justfootballacademyaustral7703
@justfootballacademyaustral7703 3 месяца назад
Yep, all diplomatic about this decision until it all starts to become clear. Ku, try and be more objective bro, this isn't your team, it's the fans team. Gores needs to stay out of it, his intervention is why we are in this mess to begin with. If he intervenes again, then Trajan is no different to Weaver, another puppet. I can't take Ku seriously if he thinks that moving personnel is how we move forward, culture and proper leadership is how things will move forward. This Dictatorship mentality is poison, Trajon will be yet another scapegoat if we continue down this path. If he is here to truly be the decision maker, then let him be that.
@arc7xangel897
@arc7xangel897 3 месяца назад
That's just Ku being emotional as usual.
@thugwayjoepog8163
@thugwayjoepog8163 3 месяца назад
Eggggfuknzactly! Talking out his azz and mouth atp
@moneycloud1049
@moneycloud1049 3 месяца назад
Now you want the owner to step in again smh Tom ain’t about to blow 66 million bye sending someone home who didn’t put this team together who would coach that team last year Monty knew Troy Weaver fup this team in the draft and free agency last summer in all
@astrahl
@astrahl 3 месяца назад
As much as I agree that Monty should be gone. I agree that Tom can’t make that decision obviously
@warzone_snipes4147
@warzone_snipes4147 3 месяца назад
Duncan Robinson needs to be a piston
@bastard342
@bastard342 3 месяца назад
Lmao wtf
@jodygrimmett3745
@jodygrimmett3745 3 месяца назад
1st Listen...a bright side is Fred Vison coached under Monty Williams in New Orleans so maybe, hopefully, if Monty does return as the coach, the two of them together can figure this out and really get this team on the right track.
@cordelldemattei5446
@cordelldemattei5446 3 месяца назад
Trajan is not moving fast on many things, but so far I like his decisions. It was time for Weaver to go and we definitely needed a shooting coach that actually can teach guys to shoot. Hopefully he will keep the trend going and bring in a good head coach. I feel they are waiting for the finals to be over to see where coaches fall once JJ is free to be hired. He probably has a name or two and if they go elsewhere he’ll stick with Monty (though I hate that idea, he more than earned being fired).
@cordelldemattei5446
@cordelldemattei5446 3 месяца назад
If the do end up keeping Monty I hope that it is on a short leash, like evaluated every 10 game whether to keep him or not (he would have been gone by game 20 this season).
@cordelldemattei5446
@cordelldemattei5446 3 месяца назад
@@J.Ragland-hz1er first off, a players ability on the court has nothing to do with their coaching ability. I also did not say they were getting JJ, as he is still likely to got to the Lakers. Just that I think there has been a log jam waiting for JJ to be available post finals announcing. We can now see where the dominos fall.
@cordelldemattei5446
@cordelldemattei5446 3 месяца назад
@@J.Ragland-hz1er do you actually believe Monty did a good job coaching the Pistons last season? What grade would you give his coaching in the 2023-24 season?
@Megahustla313rd
@Megahustla313rd 3 месяца назад
Monty is definitely the problem! He couldn't win against Assistant coaches with Depleted Rosters like the Denver game when they were literally trying to give Monty a free win. No Jamal Murray, No Joker, and no Coach Malone. Yet, Monty still finds a way to lose that game at HOME! It's totally unacceptable, and he even costs Pistons games against the Wizards, just disgusting coaching all away around! Let's not forget Giannis was so bored of playing against Monty's lack of coaching. He decided to chill with his kids on the sidelines!
@pheralanpathfinder4897
@pheralanpathfinder4897 3 месяца назад
I'm guessing you wanted to fire Casey the prior season?
@cordelldemattei5446
@cordelldemattei5446 3 месяца назад
@@pheralanpathfinder4897the two are not mutually exclusive. Just because you replaced a coach doing a poor job with a coach doing an absolutely terrible job doesn’t mean you stay with the absolutely terrible guy.
@dbuck2862
@dbuck2862 3 месяца назад
@@cordelldemattei5446 replacing monty also mean replacing his entire coaching staff. People keep forgeting one of Monty's defensive coaches most of season was off for personal leave until they had to eventually fire him. So pistons had no defensive system/coaching most of the season. That should of been done early in the season, so that is on Monty, and his other coaches aren't helping players develop. So i say FIRE MONTY and his entire coaching staff.
@Glosokah
@Glosokah 3 месяца назад
What about replacing these bum ass Core players we supposed to have
@pheralanpathfinder4897
@pheralanpathfinder4897 3 месяца назад
@@cordelldemattei5446 Casey was doing a fine job keeping players giving effort and developing talent while th GM provided a roster designed to lose games. Winning 17 games without Cade and missing Bojan half the season wasn't terrible. The reason I was arguing against those who wanted to fire him was to avoid the current problem.
@chrissylvester1856
@chrissylvester1856 3 месяца назад
I agree Ku. Monty seems like a good man; To me he's a bit too easy-breezy for this market, the Detroit area is special. + Monty doesn't like playing young players; he's a vet coach. Cade needs a teacher
@pheralanpathfinder4897
@pheralanpathfinder4897 3 месяца назад
What makes you think Monty doesn't play young guys?
@billdoty6438
@billdoty6438 3 месяца назад
I think Monty wouldn’t mind being fired. Take all that money and land on a better team he’d rather coach. He’s only here for the money, not to improve team. I say fire him also, but probably won’t happen this season
@Zoroaster1996
@Zoroaster1996 3 месяца назад
I doubt that anyone would ever ask Monty to coach again.
@kedrickwatkins5087
@kedrickwatkins5087 3 месяца назад
agree 1000% monty williams is I thought or i should say I knew monty was tryn to get fired the way he was coaching or lack their of also remember ausar was playing the beginning on fire should of made all rookie but monty drop the ball on him and ivey fire monty please
@tehrag.1138
@tehrag.1138 3 месяца назад
With the help of this coach, Ausar is going to be a beast!
@richycancun8372
@richycancun8372 3 месяца назад
Hiring Fred Vinson has got me excited about the upcoming season. If the guys can come in this off-season and really work on their shots, this will be a huge improvement. Let's GO!!!!
@SUPERvsICE
@SUPERvsICE 3 месяца назад
I don't know the details of the Pistons season. But Ku only gave one concrete example of what Monty did wrong(Jaden Ivey). But Jaden played 77 games averaging almost 29 mpg. Am I missing something? Look at the roster Monty had to work with.
@kcowan79
@kcowan79 3 месяца назад
I think he’s coming back. They gonna hire his assistants. No YES men, that would allow them to do some of that stupid shyt!!! I think he’s gonna come back better. I think he’s the best coach available.
@douglasmargitza1210
@douglasmargitza1210 3 месяца назад
i believe that they were hoping another team like lakers would of want him n pistons could of buy him out for cheaper then 60 million....and if pistons win 23 games next year they could blame monty n fire him or buy him out...smart move on gores part
@BrunoDuarte11
@BrunoDuarte11 3 месяца назад
With that rooster even Steve Kerr wouldnt do nothing
@cordelldemattei5446
@cordelldemattei5446 3 месяца назад
Only if by Steve Kerr doing nothing you mean running a dynamic offense using Ivey and Ausar as cutters/slashers and a defense that jumps passing lanes resulting in fast breaks with the season ending in at least twice as many wins and much more entertaining basketball. Then, sure, Kerr would do nothing.
@BrunoDuarte11
@BrunoDuarte11 3 месяца назад
@@cordelldemattei5446 i like your point brother👊🏿 i may have exagerated on my point but anyway without good % shooters....
@BrunoDuarte11
@BrunoDuarte11 3 месяца назад
And again only Cade would be a starter on 90% of all NBA franchises, Duren about 80%, the rest i let you make your own math👊🏿
@rafaelsantana4905
@rafaelsantana4905 3 месяца назад
Gores and his entourage to step in again? What? Have we learned nothing from the last 13 years? Last shooting coach worked under SVG, Casey and Monty. This hiring means nothing
@cordelldemattei5446
@cordelldemattei5446 3 месяца назад
This hiring could mean something because as you point out, the last shooting coach was here 8 years while no one developed a shot and several guys shot got worse. If you haven’t noticed, shooting is an important part of basketball.
@rafaelsantana4905
@rafaelsantana4905 3 месяца назад
@@cordelldemattei5446 I was talking about monty's situation. Vinson has a good track record, I like the hiring
@cordelldemattei5446
@cordelldemattei5446 3 месяца назад
@@rafaelsantana4905 I hope that you are right. As more time drags on and we hire a guy that has worked with Monty I grow more concerned that we are going to keep him. But maybe the plan is to surround him with so much competence that even Monty can’t screw it up.
@rafaelsantana4905
@rafaelsantana4905 3 месяца назад
@@cordelldemattei5446 My guess is that Trajan knows he has only one shot at hiring a coach before Gores starts intervening again and he doesn't like any of the available options, so he has to wait. There's always also the possibility that Gores demanded Monty to stay and that the reports that he's okay throwing all that money away are bs
@DrystHawk
@DrystHawk 3 месяца назад
This just in Ron Artest has been hired as the new head coach of the Pistons.🤣😂 I just couldn’t help myself I apologize.😅
@lurking0death
@lurking0death 3 месяца назад
Monty is staying. Tough nouggies, you yappy little dawg.
@SportsOnAirPH
@SportsOnAirPH 3 месяца назад
These yappers feel that this is 2k where you can just replace things easily.
@ronaldmcdonald1977
@ronaldmcdonald1977 3 месяца назад
100%
@SportsOnAirPH
@SportsOnAirPH 3 месяца назад
Before you desire to fire coaches, who do you want to replace Monty first? I can't agree with hot takes without realistically seeing who we will replace Monty with.
@cordelldemattei5446
@cordelldemattei5446 3 месяца назад
It doesn’t matter, really. Anyone would do a better job. Trajan could name you as head coach and the result would be more wins and better player development. Monty actively sabotaged the team last season.
@tehrag.1138
@tehrag.1138 3 месяца назад
​@@cordelldemattei5446 FACTS 💯
@SportsOnAirPH
@SportsOnAirPH 3 месяца назад
@@cordelldemattei5446you can’t be sure about that. lol! Just pure hate honestly. Monty’s cards are not that good to start with. I’m ok with firing Weaver but you are exaggerating to say any coach will do haha think analytically not with hate. Fire Popovich as well when you are at it.
@cordelldemattei5446
@cordelldemattei5446 3 месяца назад
@@SportsOnAirPH did you watch last season? This is not based on record at all, but on how Monty coached. He went deep into his nba longest losing streak without making a single adjustment until forced to by ownership. He played Thompson and Ivey as stand still, spot up shooters. He kept all bench lineups on the floor so long that the deficit mounted to be greater than the starters, who sat with a lead, could ever recover from. He started Knox and Livers over Bagley. And on and on. I have no hate for the man, just the way Monty coached. He more than earned his firing and it is no exageration to say that the Pistons would have won more games if they just ran out there pick up ball style without a coach. So, yes, literally any coach would do a better job.
@BlockJock24K
@BlockJock24K 3 месяца назад
What if Langdon is bringing in Venson to shade Monty as HC and then Venson slides in as interim HC knowing monty is going to booted. Now that would be a great scenario…😂
@jbrandy-un9vv
@jbrandy-un9vv 3 месяца назад
If you put Franz on Pistons who’s to say Monty would start him. He stopped starting Fontecchio
@JPierceReal
@JPierceReal 3 месяца назад
Def don't want Monty to stay but if he's a decent coach with vets and the plan is to move off of young guys and play more vets maybe they let him stay.
@cordelldemattei5446
@cordelldemattei5446 3 месяца назад
He would have to be a completely different coach. You have a better chance of getting that if you actually bring in a completely different coach.
@JPierceReal
@JPierceReal 3 месяца назад
​@@cordelldemattei5446 I get that but from what everyones reporting we'll look like a different team anyways. Borrego is prob going to Cleveland, Redick while I think hes super smart has only coached like 3rd grade basketball lol. If I'm Langdon I'm not risking what might be my only chance at picking the coach on a coach that might not succeed. They should of fired Monty when they had more options.
@cordelldemattei5446
@cordelldemattei5446 3 месяца назад
@@JPierceReal but anything is better than sticking with a guy who sabotaged the team. Like Rush said, “If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice!”
@JPierceReal
@JPierceReal 3 месяца назад
Yeah true I just hope we can find the right guy Cade deserves to have a stable environment.
@Coffee-iv4gt
@Coffee-iv4gt 3 месяца назад
@@JPierceReal Ivey has been the most stable part of this dysfunction for the last 2 years.
@JerryMcKinnie
@JerryMcKinnie 3 месяца назад
Ku I totally disagree with you
@damonclark1583
@damonclark1583 3 месяца назад
I AM SO TIRED OF THE GET RID OF MONTY CRAP!! HE DIDN'T ASSEMBLE THIS TEAM!! THIS TEAM BARELY WON THE YEAR BEFORE WITH A COACH OF THE YEAR AS COACH!! THE TEAM WAS JUST PLAIN BAD OK!!!! IF YOU GET RID OF HIM AND SWALLOW THE 60 MILL AND THE TEAM REPEATS THE SEASON THE SAME UNDER SOMEONE ELSE YOU WANT THAT COACH FIRED ALSO?? THE MAN IS STILL ONE OF THE TOP COACHES IN THE LEAGUE!! HIS NAME IS EVEN MENTIONED IN THE LAKERS SEARCH FOR A COACH!! SO HIS REPUTATION DESPITE THE ATROCIOUS SEASON IS STILL INTACT. SORRY FOR THE CAPS BUT THIS TOPIC GETS ME GOING!! The team is not going to be any better next season no matter who is coaching!! There has to be MAJOR PERSONNEL changes to the core for even the slightest of improvement. Monty will be just fine when those improvements are made!! Let me remind everyone DAN CAMPBELL wasn't a hit when he got the LIONS gig and I didn't feel this same energy for him to be fired. Look at the lions now. They were one game away from the SUPER BOWL!! SUCCESS DOESN'T COME OVERNIGHT most of the time!! THIS PISTONS THANG IS JUST LIKE PHILLY A PROCESS that is going to take time and careful personnel restructuring around how the league is playing the game now. The BLUEPRINTS ARE DENVER AND BOSTON if you want to be successful year to year!!
@Megahustla313rd
@Megahustla313rd 3 месяца назад
Monty is no where close to Dan Campbell, he's more Matt Patricia.
@damonclark1583
@damonclark1583 3 месяца назад
@@Megahustla313rd Your wrong and right!! Wrong because MATT didn't win enough games or even make the playoffs year to year like MONTY did!! MONTY keeps getting jobs as the HEAD not some assistant on somebody else's staff!! Right on the fact he is not close to DAN!! DAN AIN'T NEVER BEEN TO THE SUPER BOWL AS HEAD COACH!! MONTY BEEN TO THE FINALS AS HEAD COACH !! MONTY been in more playoff games than DAN so you are a RIGHT and WRONG at the same time!!
@nolimitcell
@nolimitcell 3 месяца назад
@@Megahustla313rdFacts
@keanevela5460
@keanevela5460 3 месяца назад
Shut up
@FC-hr4ww
@FC-hr4ww 3 месяца назад
Don’t believe anything , Gores choose Monty and most likely made clear to tragen and all gm candidates that Monty ain’t going anywhere period! You got to make it work with this coach.
@revmichael4
@revmichael4 3 месяца назад
ausar with a jumpshot is kawhi
@cordelldemattei5446
@cordelldemattei5446 3 месяца назад
With hopefully better availability
@dbuck2862
@dbuck2862 3 месяца назад
Ausar with a jump shot = Tayshaun prince, I still do not see him averaging more than 14-16ppg his entire career.
@revmichael4
@revmichael4 3 месяца назад
@@dbuck2862 fair enough, but i have to wonder what his true ceiling is as he averaged 8.8ppg as a rookie who didnt have any sort of jumpshot, and was in a shitshow of a coaching staff. A fan can only hope he'll develop into a kawhi like player with Vinson.
@dbuck2862
@dbuck2862 3 месяца назад
@@revmichael4 I doubt he developed into Kawhi. Kawhi has a post game, and is a great iso ball carrier. Asuar is has none of these skill. I see him more of a Tayshaun prince good defender, averaging around 13-16.7ppg,,, and a streaky shooter.
@AgTheDonn
@AgTheDonn 3 месяца назад
​@dbuck2862 none of those skills ??? U didn’t watch him play i see
@michaelpatterson4372
@michaelpatterson4372 3 месяца назад
the benching of Ivey hurt his development greatly for a guard they no longer had.
@nemss100
@nemss100 3 месяца назад
Cade can’t shoot 3s bro idk what your talking about 33% 3 point shooter for a career which is less then Jaden Ivey who has played more games than Cade And if Ausar doesn’t develop jumpshot/free-throw he can’t play in the nba
@greenecarlos93
@greenecarlos93 3 месяца назад
Bruh brook lopez shoot 34% for his career but he can still shoot because he developed a shot just like Cade is developing a shot. Pulling up a career stats provide very little context but u go off 😂
@marrtymax
@marrtymax 3 месяца назад
Monty money keeps him 1 more year
@geraldwatson369
@geraldwatson369 3 месяца назад
Why would you fire Monty when the roster was Horrible?!! Monty took New Orleans from being a bad team to being a winner. He also took the Suns who were bad to the NBA Finals! He was Coach of the Year! What is wrong with you guys?!! You guys don't know Basketball! Please turn in your basketball card immediately!!🤣🤣🤣
@greenecarlos93
@greenecarlos93 3 месяца назад
Because he was actually losing us games with his terrible rotations. Think about it he started killian Hayes over Ivey which was a terrible idea
@cordelldemattei5446
@cordelldemattei5446 3 месяца назад
Counterpoint: Both those teams actually underachieved for their rosters. Any other coach would have easily won a championship with Paul, Booker, Durant and Ayton. Our roster may not have been great but Monty coached the very worst out of it and stunted player development. It is unfathomable to me how people that don’t have to pay him would want him to coach the Pistons again.
@jalenjohnson0339
@jalenjohnson0339 3 месяца назад
Pistons fans I’m sure you guys heard the news 😂
@anthonyhumphrey1454
@anthonyhumphrey1454 3 месяца назад
And he won't 😅
@darriusburke3090
@darriusburke3090 3 месяца назад
I finally made a live show lol
@jakecooper398
@jakecooper398 3 месяца назад
Can Matas be a lob threat? If so, he is a no brainer.
@damonclark1583
@damonclark1583 3 месяца назад
One more thing I forgot to add I wasn't a fan of the way he coached most games,but the team as a whole was CRAP. He was just trying to see what if in anything would work. When he evaluated nothing really works he just played out the season and the hand he was dealt. Plus the team started the season with KEY people out of the lineup which really hurt the teams depth. When those players returned things just got even more out of sorts because they had to be inserted in readjusting the already shacky chemistry. All in all he is still one of the top coaches in the league. The man needs a better roster. Which includes a RIM PROTECTOR and a number 2 SCORER next too CADE. He had BOOKER and DURANT and won lots of games. He is a WINNER whereever he has gone. Let's get the team RESHAPED and then we can judge him FAIRLY. Can't judge by taking over a team which was not NBA level for years before you took over and people expectations are unrealistic when the team itself was just NO GOOD!! Team was not consistent on offense or defense night in night out!! Nobody reading this even that KU dude can honestly say they could do better with a team like THAT!! One man carrying a team with no help!! COME ON MAN IT AIN'T BEING DONE!! THE RECORD SPEAKS FOR ITSELF!!
@pheralanpathfinder4897
@pheralanpathfinder4897 3 месяца назад
Casey did better than Monty but for the most part you're right.
@cordelldemattei5446
@cordelldemattei5446 3 месяца назад
Monty did the opposite of trying different things out to see what worked. He kept banging our head against the wall deep into 28 game losing streak running the same guys and same thing until the owner sat him down and forced him to change the lineup. In fact, the only change he did make was from running the fast paced 0.5 sec offense that showed success in the first 3 games to slowing things down with a Cade heliocentric offense and we saw how that went the rest of the season. Monty was exactly the opposite of the coach you say, no creativity, no changes at all.
@damonclark1583
@damonclark1583 3 месяца назад
​@@cordelldemattei5446 My response to you is ,this is the shortened version because the original didn't make it . CAN YOU DO A BETTER JOB?? If so then why are you wasting your time responding to folks on here?? You should be right at Little C's applying for the gig!! Let's let MONTY GO ON A LONG 60 MILLION FREE VACATION for you our new very little experience COACH. The season your going to have with this team and no roster changes will put us the critics right back here with this KU dude roasting you all the while and everyone calling for you to be FIRED too!! HEAVY IS THE HEAD THAT WEARS THE CROWN!! If you decide to wear it you will take all the SCRUTINY that comes with it!! When he gets let go WE EXPECT YOU TO BE FIRST IN LINE APPLYING FOR THE OPENING AND THEY WON'T BE PAYING YOU 60 MILL NEITHER!! See you soon at your first PRESS CONFERENCE and on the sidelines. We will be here in the comments section critiqueing YOUR job performance ALSO!! It's only FAIR RIGHT??
@cordelldemattei5446
@cordelldemattei5446 3 месяца назад
@@damonclark1583 I would gladly take the job and do a better job than Monty because even just running the guys out there pick up style would have better results than Monty’s active sabotage of the team last year. Defending a coach that set the single season longest losing streak and has the worst record in franchise history is a very odd stance. And you can tell a bad meal or a bad movie when you eat or see one, but that does not necessarily mean you are a chef or filmmaker, so saying I should be coach is just weird. Though I still feel I would have done a better job than he did last season. If he is still around I surely hope he takes a very different approach.
@damonclark1583
@damonclark1583 3 месяца назад
@@cordelldemattei5446 Cooking and film making is much different from coaching first of all!! No it isn't weird saying if you can do a better job you should DO IT!! I really like your confidence in yourself!! That's REAL REFRESHING!! Getting back on track! Phoenix was just as bad as Detroit or does your memory not serve you!! Or are you just stuck on local sports?? Question when DAN CAMBELL was losing games was your feelings the same for him like they are for Monty or are you not into football?? Thing is regardless what we think the man is still a TOP COACH in the league. He won't be unemployed for long!! But this PISTONS team won't be no better any time soon with YOU, HIM OR ANYBODY ELSE COACHING FOR AWHILE!! Let's hope the DRAFT gives us a jump start to turning to MESS around!! And I don't want that Buzelis kid neither!! Before I close this message YOU HAVE AN AWESOME WEEKEND AND DALLAS COWBOYS OWNER MIGHT SAY HOW BOUT THEM MAVERICKS🤠🤠🤠🤠!!
@jonesmarcquis
@jonesmarcquis 3 месяца назад
Are they really comparing Casey's roster to montys roster... good grief 🤦‍♂️
@pheralanpathfinder4897
@pheralanpathfinder4897 3 месяца назад
What was different?
@jonesmarcquis
@jonesmarcquis 3 месяца назад
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 , casey actually had reliable vets. Monty had ymca talent until all star break except cade.
@pheralanpathfinder4897
@pheralanpathfinder4897 3 месяца назад
@@jonesmarcquis Bojan missed half the season. Burks played both years as did Bagley. Who were these mysterious vets that provided reliable play?
@jonesmarcquis
@jonesmarcquis 3 месяца назад
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 , the guest was comparing monty and Casey's FIRST season coaching. And you really consider 3 and no D bojan and journey man burke good vets...?
@pheralanpathfinder4897
@pheralanpathfinder4897 3 месяца назад
​@@jonesmarcquis Casey won 17 games with basically the same vets. He didn't even have Cade for most of the season. Who were these reliable veterans?
@TheSkilful1
@TheSkilful1 3 месяца назад
Watch them tellum bois introduce trajan then we trade for chris paul or some other horrendous contract. Monty resume is as good as his hall of fame talent
@cordelldemattei5446
@cordelldemattei5446 3 месяца назад
Monty’s resume is actually worse than his hall of fame talent. Phoenix would have won a ring with any other coach.
@pheralanpathfinder4897
@pheralanpathfinder4897 3 месяца назад
Probably going to trade Ivey for Brandon Ingram. Maybe he will give us a few healthy seasons.
@nicetele735
@nicetele735 3 месяца назад
Find another line of work
@DavidRichardson-ge2ho
@DavidRichardson-ge2ho 3 месяца назад
I don't know if Monte will get fired, nor do I really care. What I do care about is idiots (now including Ku) blaming Monte for all of Ivey's deficiencies and absolute incompatabiity with Cade, which is the (valid) reason Monte started the year bringing Ivey off the bench. Monte should have stuck to his guns. He wanted to play a real PG who had some defense, which Hayes was. He probably wanted to move Cade off the ball (which many analysts and fans have also suggested) but could not without making Weaver (and Gores) look like asses for selecting Ivey. (Frankly, Monte's mistake was not that he played Hayes. It was playing Hayes out of position on most possessons as a 2 guard in the corner while Cade did his best impression of ball hog Adrian Dantley) Ivey had every opportunity to shine as either PG or as a scorer off the bench (against weaker competition) and he failed at it spectacularly. Ivey only amplified his weaknesses when Gores and Weaver forced Monte to change the lineup. The Pistons were not good with Ivey coming off the bench, but they were putrid after he moved to a starting role. Ivey has talent but needs 2 to 3 years of development and needs a role other than playing SG next to a Cade Cunningham. Keep Monte (or not) . But trade Ivey or even Cade. Just like up and coming Indiana bit the bullet and traded Sabonis because of redundancy/incompatability with Turner.
@jessecruz2541
@jessecruz2541 3 месяца назад
I agree Gores needs to step away from making basketball decisions. It defeats the purpose of the new hierarchy. Monty should stay if TL decides to keep him. I am not opposed to this, there were a lot going on in this man’s life, hard to focus on the job at hand when going thru his situation about his wife’s health. Remember, he was courted by the owner and didn’t app,y for the job. It is only a good business decision to see if Monty is going to have his focus on the job so TL decides Monty needs a REAL chance then I am ok with that. Being a fan of the coach should not factor into TL’s decision. Ku, stop…all your reasons are emotional rationalizing….are you going to campaign against Monty the whole next season too.
@charlesgilbert2054
@charlesgilbert2054 3 месяца назад
The coach doesn't matter. It's the roster. Williams is not hopeless because he won in Phoenix. Put a good roster together with good talent and they'll win games.
@cordelldemattei5446
@cordelldemattei5446 3 месяца назад
He should have easily been able win it all on Phoenix with Paul, Booker, Durant, and Ayton. The fact that he didn’t is a complete failure. The roster may not be ideal in Detroit but he still managed to misuse and ostracize players. He should have been gone about game 15. He was so bad that he made Ku eat his early season words that you don’t make changes before 25 games.
@keithlabarrie3098
@keithlabarrie3098 3 месяца назад
​@@cordelldemattei5446the Phoenix teens Deandre ayton gave up on the team and they lost the Series
@cordelldemattei5446
@cordelldemattei5446 3 месяца назад
@@keithlabarrie3098 you may ask yourself why did he give up. Here’s a clue, for guys that play for good coaches giving up is not an option.
@charleslefurge8696
@charleslefurge8696 3 месяца назад
So tired of the Pistons getting players they have to fix. This is a never-ending trend. Wehn one guy gets fixed another guy or two come in that have to be fixed.
@dionisvukaj1587
@dionisvukaj1587 3 месяца назад
Monty is not the problem
@cordelldemattei5446
@cordelldemattei5446 3 месяца назад
Monty is not the only problem, just the biggest remaining problem.
@Megahustla313rd
@Megahustla313rd 3 месяца назад
KU is spot on! Monty shouldn't return in any capacity, Pistons fans & players have suffered enough!
@IAmAbundunt
@IAmAbundunt 3 месяца назад
They say Donaven Klingin cas play defense but we all saw Zach Eddy cook him for 37 points? I prefer Eddy he’s a great defender and he could matchup with against any big in the east, and high shooting percentage and basketball IQ…. All these experts are about to be on the wrong side of history by the end of his rookie year
@pheralanpathfinder4897
@pheralanpathfinder4897 3 месяца назад
Why would we want another under the rim center to clog the paint for Ausar Ivey and Cade?
@cordelldemattei5446
@cordelldemattei5446 3 месяца назад
Time will tell, but I think you are 100% wrong. The NBA isn’t the NCAA
@IAmAbundunt
@IAmAbundunt 3 месяца назад
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 how is Ty Maxey doing it? To answer your question-because we need defense, offensively he doesn’t have to clog the paint, he can set screens, pick&pop or roll…. How has it worked so great for the 76’ers and the Nuggets? They’re guards are flourishing just fine, the Celtics, Bucks,76’ers and Nugget’s all have big slow centers and all are flourishing… I want the Pistons to be like them
@pheralanpathfinder4897
@pheralanpathfinder4897 3 месяца назад
@@IAmAbundunt not one of those teams have an off ball wing shooting less than 30%.
@pheralanpathfinder4897
@pheralanpathfinder4897 3 месяца назад
@@IAmAbundunt most of the teams you mentioned have a center who shoots the three efficiently. Also you are completely ignoring that I mentioned the bad fit with Ausar and Duren.
@rashadm.1976
@rashadm.1976 3 месяца назад
Monty doesn't deserve to come back. The roster was bad but he was horrific as a coach and decision maker
@corderothomas1189
@corderothomas1189 3 месяца назад
I feel that he really meant it when he said he didn't want to coach SMH but it's not fair that he took it out on this city and already demoralized basketball club
@tehrag.1138
@tehrag.1138 3 месяца назад
FACTS 💯
@damonclark1583
@damonclark1583 3 месяца назад
Monty will be alright once he gets his type of players. Think of Dan Campbell when he wasn't winning!! Once he got his type of players things changed for the Lions. Same case here.
@rashadm.1976
@rashadm.1976 3 месяца назад
​@J.Ragland-hz1er I gurantee I wouldn't do much worse than 14 wins and certainly not on a 100 million dollar contract.
@krash22mini72
@krash22mini72 3 месяца назад
​@@damonclark1583Dan Cambell has always wanted to coach and do his best Williams wanted money and couldn't care less about winning or coaching
@dre313
@dre313 3 месяца назад
Bruh only thing tom need to do is sell the team his decisions are why we are where we are ever since he bought team we been thee worst team in nba letting Stan van be gm coach trading for broke down blake come on no tom don't step in just sale team
@jbrandy-un9vv
@jbrandy-un9vv 3 месяца назад
I agree -fire him now. 82 games is a lifetime and he didn’t show his coaching chops. remember drop coverage allowing opposing guards to get to the cup? all bench lineups. never playing two way guys. not playing gallo or muscala b4 they were let go to sign with contenders. he was awful
@Megahustla313rd
@Megahustla313rd 3 месяца назад
Exactly, and Monty is always clueless on the sidelines.
@pheralanpathfinder4897
@pheralanpathfinder4897 3 месяца назад
Monty did play Gallo and Music during their brief time here. Those two dominate the +- stats for the season.
@jbrandy-un9vv
@jbrandy-un9vv 3 месяца назад
no energy on the bench. His first hire was 17 game winning sad looking Stephen Silas.
@alexnguyen1284
@alexnguyen1284 3 месяца назад
bro matas buzelis sucks. He is going to be a huge bust. I dont know what you two are so enamored by him. If pistons draft him it will be another L draft.
@DetroitFlip5680
@DetroitFlip5680 3 месяца назад
Monty is coming back. So let's move on to something else to talk about.
@SMahoney-nz6fj
@SMahoney-nz6fj 3 месяца назад
Maybe Ku take some time and re-think your opinion. Coach Williams is there and not because of Troy Weaver. Troy wanted Kevin Ollie. Now those that wanted Monty are there and the roster can be addressed without Troy butting heads with Coach Williams.
@ronaldmcdonald1977
@ronaldmcdonald1977 3 месяца назад
100%. Ku is emotional and keeps saying every1 wants him gone. I listened to every1 he had on here, they have never said he should be gone. Ku thinks he knows every Pistons fan and every1 in the organization. And acts as if he knows Langdon heart. Lots or predictions. Remember he loved Troy Weaver and all his moves, until he didnt.
@AgTheDonn
@AgTheDonn 3 месяца назад
RON HOLLAND IS THE PICK
@matttheisen4916
@matttheisen4916 3 месяца назад
I heard they signed the shooting guru from New Orleans who also worked under Monty Williams. I have this sick feeling that Monty is coming back.
@jodygrimmett3745
@jodygrimmett3745 3 месяца назад
1st Listen.....👍🏽
@markflood9755
@markflood9755 3 месяца назад
Let's get trey Murphy ????the pick and stew
@michaelahurt
@michaelahurt 3 месяца назад
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 bro what? you could offer ivey, duren, stew and the pick and they aren't trading Trey
@ronaldmcdonald1977
@ronaldmcdonald1977 3 месяца назад
Ku knows Monty is staying. he just knows the firing of him gets more attention. Makes no sense he complains about them stepping in, and now he wants them to step in with a New POBO. Hilarious.
@SportsOnAirPH
@SportsOnAirPH 3 месяца назад
Yeah. No logic at all. Just pure hate.
@cordelldemattei5446
@cordelldemattei5446 3 месяца назад
@@SportsOnAirPH wanting Gores to step in is illogical, but wanting the worst coach I franchise history fired is only logical, no hate necessary.
@ronaldmcdonald1977
@ronaldmcdonald1977 3 месяца назад
@@cordelldemattei5446 The worst coach in franchise history who took over the worst team in franchise history governed by the worst GM in franchise history, who was hired by the worst Owner in franchise history, who listens to the worst advisers (Tellums) in franchise history. Yea blame the coach.
@cordelldemattei5446
@cordelldemattei5446 3 месяца назад
@@ronaldmcdonald1977 they got rid of the GM, they can’t get rid of the owner, now it’s time to get rid of the coach. And I disagree that it was the worst team in franchise history; they should have easily surpassed the previous seasons 17 wins if they weren’t actively sabotaged by Monty. Gores knows nothing of basketball, Troy was not good at his job, but neither is as bad as Monty’s actively hurting the team and talent development.
@ronaldmcdonald1977
@ronaldmcdonald1977 3 месяца назад
@@cordelldemattei5446 based on your feelings? Whats you facts? They sucked, its delusional to think this team is any good. Monty was proven until he got here. Prove that he wasnt. That he failed at every other stop. If you cant do this, you are just following every1 who isnt giving any analysis other then rinse and repeat the same stuff. Trajon knows more than you. SO why would you think you can assess Monty better than him? NBA is a mulit billion dollar industry,, what billion dollar company are you in charge of building?
@Jamar-lg9ob
@Jamar-lg9ob 3 месяца назад
Monty come back as head coach I'm done being a Pistons fan until gores sale
@ronaldmcdonald1977
@ronaldmcdonald1977 3 месяца назад
Bye. We will not miss you Sir. Go root for the Lakers or Celtics.
@richardweaver8493
@richardweaver8493 3 месяца назад
I believe If Langdon makes some moves then this is Monty last shot to at least make some noise as far as the play in/playoffs I don’t like it but now we gotta try to see what positivity we can get out of this
@mr.getthepartylive4731
@mr.getthepartylive4731 3 месяца назад
The center from ucon is our pick trade duren Monty coach davis keep him Monty going to do great
@dinordo
@dinordo 3 месяца назад
Future coach if Monty leaves.
@astrahl
@astrahl 3 месяца назад
This dude looks like Jalen Green lol
@y2kriz06
@y2kriz06 3 месяца назад
Monty's gone
@jeramibanks3276
@jeramibanks3276 3 месяца назад
Monty has got to go.
@arc7xangel897
@arc7xangel897 3 месяца назад
The moment Zariq said he liked Bronny as a prospect is the moment it was obvious he should not be taken seriously.
@thugwayjoepog8163
@thugwayjoepog8163 3 месяца назад
Why tf are you dead set on getting rid of Monty, clearly you have inside information. Damn, do you watch NBA basketball?
@cordelldemattei5446
@cordelldemattei5446 3 месяца назад
Did you watch the Pistons last season. If so, how can you not be for firing Monty? Besides the money, I have heard no convincing argument for keeping him.
@astrahl
@astrahl 3 месяца назад
What you mean lol. Clearly you didn’t watch the pistons last year
@thugwayjoepog8163
@thugwayjoepog8163 3 месяца назад
@@astrahl damn near every game at odd hours cause I'm in Hawaii time zone
@thugwayjoepog8163
@thugwayjoepog8163 3 месяца назад
@@astrahl the team was awfully constructed. Cade improved there's no reason to fire a good coach 1 yr into a 7 yr deal
@astrahl
@astrahl 3 месяца назад
@@thugwayjoepog8163 there was plenty of reasons lol. Acting like there was no reasons is just a crazy take. Benched Ivey for Killian, countless terrible lineups, would state what changes needed to be made then wouldn’t make them the next game. Terrible motivator. Worst season in franchise history. You’re on the wrong side of the fence dude.
@Carib9408
@Carib9408 3 месяца назад
I’ve been saying all along that if Gores were to eat all that cabbage which is Monte’s contract, his (Gore’s) family would have gas for the next ten generations of his family. Though I’ll be ok with Mont’s departure, I do believe Monte will be the coach next season.
@jonesmarcquis
@jonesmarcquis 3 месяца назад
Ill let the expert ( Langdon) and cade decide if monty should stay or be replaced. For some reason people wanted monty to make miracles and make chicken salad outta chicken shyt roster smh. Monty got 80% new roster before all star break.
@cordelldemattei5446
@cordelldemattei5446 3 месяца назад
I’d take Cade’s input with a grain of salt. Monty uses Cade the way he wants to be used, but I don’t think that is necessarily the best for team success.
@marcusjohnson4116
@marcusjohnson4116 3 месяца назад
The idea that Tom would step in seems counterintuitive. My initial thought if Monty returns is that Tom asked Trajan to give him one year before he makes a move that drastic/force Tom to cut that check. Because next year you could bring in Mike Malone and the Pistons still aren't winning more that 40 games. So Tom rooting for giving monty another year so he can get the most out of his investment. I get he "said" he'd do it but at the end of the day he's a business man
@cordelldemattei5446
@cordelldemattei5446 3 месяца назад
But with Monty we’ll be lucky to win 30 games. Winning 40 sounds ideal!
@marcusjohnson4116
@marcusjohnson4116 3 месяца назад
@@cordelldemattei5446 yea my point was no matter who the coach is, this team isn't winning more than 40 games. So I dont think it'll be easy to convince Gores to continue to fire monty and bring in a new coach and pay him also just to win 30 games again
@cordelldemattei5446
@cordelldemattei5446 3 месяца назад
@@marcusjohnson4116 my point is that with Monty you will be looking at sub 20 wins if he coaches the same way.
@100point1percent
@100point1percent 3 месяца назад
Ku's taking Zariq's minutes 🤣🤣
@IAmAbundunt
@IAmAbundunt 3 месяца назад
Isiah Steward can’t guard any high. Scoring bigger centers….
@pheralanpathfinder4897
@pheralanpathfinder4897 3 месяца назад
Stew is a better defender than Duren...
@greenecarlos93
@greenecarlos93 3 месяца назад
😂😂😂 actually I just saw a stat he defended embid excellently.
@cordelldemattei5446
@cordelldemattei5446 3 месяца назад
Nobody can, that is why they are high scoring
@IAmAbundunt
@IAmAbundunt 3 месяца назад
Porzingas can, so can Webeyama, Brook Lopez, Chet Holgrem, Joel Embied… all 7footers not 6’8 power forwards… I bet Zach Eddy would defend them better too, because he matches up against other bigs, Steward doesn’t period, name 1 good 6’8 center??? I’ll wait
@pheralanpathfinder4897
@pheralanpathfinder4897 3 месяца назад
@@IAmAbundunt Ben Wallace was short and won multiple DPoY awards. Stew isn't winning any awards, but he is a plus defender. Wiseman and Bagley are 7' athletes who are terrible defenders. Height doesn't determine defense. Many factors are involved.
@michaelpatterson4372
@michaelpatterson4372 3 месяца назад
agree, Monty must go, what he did last season was vastly underperform the guy he replaced with better talent.
@scottwickett1273
@scottwickett1273 3 месяца назад
They did not have better talent.
@JerryMcKinnie
@JerryMcKinnie 3 месяца назад
Monte should absolutely be kept and given a chance
@michaelahurt
@michaelahurt 3 месяца назад
Why? I think we've seen enough to know his success was just being there when Chris Paul was his PG. I don't think you're appreciating how bad he was. It's one thing to have a bad roster, it's another to use almost every player on that roster in the worst way possible
@cordelldemattei5446
@cordelldemattei5446 3 месяца назад
A chance to what? Set a new NBA losing streak record and a new worst record in the NBA?
@JerryMcKinnie
@JerryMcKinnie 3 месяца назад
I Hope with all my being that Monte comes back
@cordelldemattei5446
@cordelldemattei5446 3 месяца назад
Why you hate Detroit like that?
@SttudDioPierrot
@SttudDioPierrot 3 месяца назад
Monty Williams is a good coach. After the All-star Break, 90% of the roster in the rotation were G league players. We had no shooters in a 3 point shooting league, and a bunch of injuries.
@rashadm.1976
@rashadm.1976 3 месяца назад
No
@antdagawd68
@antdagawd68 3 месяца назад
Learn ball
@michaelahurt
@michaelahurt 3 месяца назад
But he's not. Chris Paul is a great player. But what has Monty ever done without CP? The offense they ran last was an abomination. The defensive effort was unacceptable. And there's no indication any of the players connected with him. And he has a track record of running off young players and destroying their confidence. We need someone with a track record of developing players.
@cordelldemattei5446
@cordelldemattei5446 3 месяца назад
The All Star Break is 2/3 of the way through the season, so explain the horrendous majority of the season. Good coaches don’t run off 15 straight wins without making any changes and have to have it down meetings with the owner to make adjustments.
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