Moog Subsequent 37 vs Moog Grandmother - Battle of the Moogs! 

All this did was convince me I need both

i somehow ended up here after an edible kicked in and im thankful for that. also i think i might have just purchased a synth

The way those synths are both hanging over the end of the table is anxiety inducing.

When you call up an initial patch on the Sub37, the filter keyboard tracking is set to 1:1. If you set it to O, it dramatically opens it up, and you will get the high end sizzle that is missing in this video.

So I just bought a Grandmother on Thursday. On Tuesday I walk into my Guitar Center just to buy a midi cable to run from my Grandmother to my MS-20 Mini and I see a Moog Sub37 right on the floor. Some guy brought it back because his road gig got cancelled. Now I have to explain to the bank why I'm not paying my mortgage this month lol

Love these comparisons! Please do more of these :) keep it up!

Always such a pleasure to the ol' eardrums, those bare saw waves emitting from the headphones, piercing through my skull like a pneumatic drill.

perfect battle! thanks guys!

Ben's face when Jack hit that low C @1:50 is priceless lol.

this is by far the best side by side comparison of synths I have ever had the pleasure of watching. tyvm

Nice job! Love to hear more of the Moog Subsequent 37! Thanks!

Gosh, I freaking love both. But I want the Subsequent 37 for that paraphonic mode, and the expanded modulation busses.

That bit right there at 10 mins 38 seconds is why I've just given in and bought one. Cheers chaps.

The spring reverb on the grandmother is amazing.

14:00 They make a great duo. Listen to this loud. It is a monster yet beautiful sound. No small contribution from the players. Powerful.

I have the sub37 , best synth i ever purchased, a beast

So badass!! Thanks for the info and sweet sick basslines braddah

The granny is sublime.

Ooh, you read my mind with this one, I am to decide on which of these two I should be getting, let's watch that vid and find out!

That might be the best video I saw in the last 10 years. Keep it going, guys!!

Both sounds are perfect, the sub 37 has nice darker tone but both are amazing!

I love the concept of the Grandmother, and want to love it. Price is good. Keys feel great. Its patchable with eurorack gear that I already have..... but that Sub 37 is so refined and moody, it's just what I need. I like that the Sub is smoother and darker. At least they have come down in price.

I want both! Damn GAS!!!

Sub37 is more fluid leady thing the grandmother has a more aggressive thing thanks to that mixer section and the filter distorting both moogy but I like the phatness of the gm, the Moog modular sound is my preferred Moog sound ever.

I finally got to playing a Grandmother, in the worst of conditions (a grimy synth corner in Guitar Center), and I have to say I was expecting to not be impressed, but I was VERY pleased by the Grandmother. I've had substantial time with a Moog Mother-32, SUB-37, and Minimoog, I've been wanting to play the GM. I was sort of hoping to dislike the Grandmother, but wow, the keybed is phenomenal, the pitchbend and modwheel had just the right tension to them, I actually preferred it over the feel of the SUB-37 ones. In fact, there was extra tension to the Grandmother keys, making you have to press just a little harder, and they spring back perfectly - I think it's the best keybed I've ever played. The tone was just buttery smooth - growling in just the right way. Lovely keyboard, I'd recommend to anyone. I am at a loss now as to whether it's better than my SUB-37. I'm even considering replacing the SUB for this... but the SUB has more control over tone. I think you can mimic the Grandmother tone if you set your settings just right (a little overdrive and such)

You can’t go wrong with either one! I’ve got both and they are a fun pair.

Have a Moog Sub 37 on the way, and couldn't be any more excited than I am now! wait... I lied... I just got even more excited!!!!!!!

I would love to see you guys do a follow up episode of matriarch vs subsequent 37. Amazing video guys. Really put the details in. Best informative video ive seen.

Now that’s how you start a comparison video!🔥💪🏾

The Grandmother sounds great!

They sound just as dark, but the GrandMother sounds a bit better overall. Very nice video, was expecting for it!

Love this! I have a Little Phatty II and a Grandmother

Imagine you found your once-in-a-lifetime patch on the GM and need to buy another one ‘cause you can’t save it. I decided to get the Subseq 37.

For me it's the GM. The unit is based on the Voyager OSC's - whereas the S37 is based around the 'newer' voiced OSC's that I can never quite get into. Plus the modules on the GM are pretty much the Sys 15 modules with a keyboard. THAT'S the Moog sound I am after. The mixer alone is bonkers. Surprised they really didn't talk that much about these differences in the video.

That outro jam was banging.

You are freaking hilarious, ‘dB is cool´ just got me appreciate the good vibes keep it up lads 🤙🏼

enjoying this - I have the SS37 - the Grandmother may have more sizzle in the top end, but if you change the filter slope to 6dB on the SS37 you do get a bit more sizzle out of it...

Really useful video, thanks gents.

To play the sequencer on the grandmother, you press a note on the keyboard

They are both Moog worthy! Got the Subsequent but would not mind owning a granny as well.

I gig with the Grandmother and love it. It certainly demands that you know your way around patches. People love watching me plugging in things here and there. It makes for a more entertaining show.

What are the acoustic bass traps panels you use in the room’s corners? They look insane!

You guys seem like you'd be fun to hang out with.

Smashing!! 👍

good times with these two

I like the low and smooth, Sub 37

After a year of owning a grandmother, the $625 used price was still a steal. 😀

Subsequent 37 >> GM, any day of the week. The extra oscillator and paraphonic capabilities alone put it in another tier. But thats just the beginning. It has two envelopes with ADSR + optional Delay & Hold, plus multitrigger and sync options, vs the single basic ADSR on GM. And the difference in the LFO situation is even more drastic. The modulation capabilities on the Sub37 are staggering, and you CAN input CV from modular systems to modulate it (with a specific caveat that the CV must be kept within 0-5 volts). And in terms of modular connectivity, of course don't forget about (a) Subsequent 37 CV which has 6 CV/gate outputs as well as the 4 inputs also found on the standard seen here; and (B) even for the standard model, MIDI and the existence of Eurorack MIDI>CV converters mean that even a standard Subsequent 37 can still integrate well as a Eurorack "brain". Beyond that: more keys, storable patches, and full DAW integration over USB that lets you fully control, play, and record every single parameter on the synth without even touching it physically, via a brilliant VST plugin. Meaning that you can record every knob wiggle & key press and hence replay your performance back identically later. Or better yet, improve it by editing those accidental sour notes you hit in the 3rd measure and dial back the resonance & boost the envelope decay during that filter sweep you played during the bridge - all from the convenience of your DAW's piano roll. But hey, the Grandmother *does* have a spring reverb.

It feels like having a couple friends over. Love the informal, fun aspects to your presentations.

This was fantastic jam in the beginning

Both sound great... GM has the old 70s sound, and Sub37 is more "refined" GM + Erebus for me... about the same cost as Sub 37.

I think that at 10:00 you got the patching wrong: in MODULATION , you patched Wave OUT with Noise IN. In your talking you meant Wave OUT patched to OSC1 IN (or OSC2 IN). Great video by the way, guys.

Took you a few moments to find it on that outro lol but it did settle into a nice groove

The way I see it, the GM is more for people who want to fiddle around, turn knobs and jam rather than play. The built in spring reverb is also a selling point for me, as I would want some reverb effects at least. And the arpeggiator is helpful for riffage and jamming. It's also a way to ease into modular, which is something I'm really keen to get into.

Lol! I enjoyed this. I want them both 😜

Buy. Them. All.

You guys are the best

LOVE the more raw, vintage sound of the Grandmother / Matriarch !! 😍

I have both and I have way more fun with the Grandmother. A lot of times I prefer the sound of the subsequent but its so hard to learn. The grandmother is a pleasure to explore and play around with.

Good stuff

sub37 has 3 programmable cv ins and a programmable gate w an added step advance feature. you could midi sync but why not use all those cv outs on the gm? these things play excellent together.

IMO the Subsequent behaves like a self-contained modular synth and the Grandmother is more keen to be part of a larger eurorack-based family. Both offer something great and charming, just for two different players/setups/approaches. That being said, Subsequent 37 is my personal desert island synth.

cool review guys, thank you for this. i actually learned a thing or two, and yes!..yes.. a musical instrument video review featuring actual music performance ! cheers from Portugal PS: currently divided between the sub 37, and the sub-phatty. anyone got any input on that? ( for a musician getting into synthesis, from a more jazzy/organic multi-instrumentalist background. I’m looking for a synth that will give me this same great timbre, in a very similar lead approach as featured in the little jams on this video.)

14:06 T H E L I C C

Great comparison. Personally I'd take the 37 in a heartbeat over the GM but that's just me, they're both great. Btw, you guys do know that it's a SubSEQUENT 37, and not a Sub37, right? Think you're just saying sub for short hand? The 'quent replaced the sub but it's not the same sound and has different features.

I like the phasing on the GM

The variable waveform oscillators are pretty cool, but I think I like the raw sound of the GM overall better.

Oh man, that's classic.

I like this. Jams are good. Moog Pajamas?

love that outro jam!

Cinema Show! - on a Moog!

Hmmm you get what you pay for... I have a sub37 and like its flexibility... I like the way the grandmother bridges to modular...

I bought my Subsequent 37 before the GM was announced. If I could do it over again, I’d still get the Subsequent 37.

20:35 "just plug it in and 'Euro-way'!"

Holy Shite! It's the Nick'n'Gaz synthgasm tribute band....keep it up Chaps!

That is one fine Grandmother.

Nice harmonium vibe at the beginning there

Do you have a video of the Moog Matriarch and Sub 37?

I know I'm about two years late, but did anyone notice the sub 37 is in the right channel, and the grandmother is in the left channel. Not fully, but slightly more gain on each side?

20:15 Alas yes, Subsequent 37 CV.

Sub 37 or little phatty. Which one should I get?

I always liked my Sub37, but I never fell for it like I did for the Grandmother. That thing just drips character. Love love love it.

Jack , is a formiddable keyboardplayer, id have him in my band anytime, nice feel, technique, lyrical, and spacey progrocker extraordinaire ,-

Absolutely sub my sub37 and the reason why you want the sub is for how warm the filter sounds.

Both great machines but I think the GM had a 5th in there. Sub / Subsequent is WAY better sounding that it sounded in the first half

There's something on Jack's face?

One out of fourteen - woohooo! Mom do you love me now!!

24:25 that’s where I am with the record mode 😂

The Grandmother LOOKS like a classic, but the Sub 37 IS the classic here.

Dude... it really sounds like you are playing a sitar, or anyways playing on the indian scale, but on a synth. Quite the jam. I like your musicality :)

Oh, what a difference if one can play. Otherwise, if patching doesn't matter, take the Sub37. For spring reverb take a pedal.

love you

Sub37 is noticeably bassier and meaner. Gm is like an oberheimy sound, a little brighter but more old school sounding too. Pretty sure Trent Reznor used the sub37 or minimoog, and previously a voyager. If I ever got one I’d get the sub37. Would be nicely paired with a take5.

It was ‘Yes’ not ‘Genesis’ -Owner Of A Drony Heart. Thanks-this is the video I needed. First of all, do I need one? 2nd-Which one would I get?

GM is way more vintage birght sounding. Sub 37 is lil modern and darker.

The price it makes the difference

Shits so fkin real raw..

The Grandma has more character goodness. I blend in the third Oscillator and use it as a gigantic bass monster.

4:09 the licc

Subsequent 37 has hardware profile in Omnisphere 2.5 So that's what we got. Way more than just simple keymapping, we have the poorman's Moog One now, polyphony and all.