Moonkin The War Within Class Rework 

I don't mean to be abrasive to PvP players, but from my experience they tend to be extremely hyperfocused on their specific situation. The new Nature's Grace looks like an amazing quality of life feature for PvE which is the majority of the playerbase, likewise I'm not too surprised that a one trick PvP player doesn't know about even the other specs of the class he's playing. You ask me tho, BfA balance druid was peak design. Dunno why they changed it. EDIT: For some fucking reason RU-vid sometimes won't allow me to comment so I'm editing this instead ​@bobby69-420 There's no irony there, "being able to fight other players" doesn't correlate with "not being a one-trick". I also doubt you've ever done high mythic dungeon keys if you think it's that easy, in fact looking at how both systems work the difficulty is adaptative, therefore equivalent: PvP matchmaking places you against players of your skill level, and mythic dungeons allow you to climb as high as your skill level allows. But let's go back and look at what you said. Your first sentence is an attempt to minimize my opinion by insulting my skill level (And don't you also kill players "on repeat to get higher number gear, rinse and repeat"?). Then you say that I "don't care about deep class mechanics which actually matter in PvP" which is something I've never said, rather that just because something is not useful in PvP doesn't mean it should be removed because it can be very nice for PvE players to have. Likewise, some talents have a very limitted PvE use but you don't see me asking for them to be removed because I know they are useful in PvP. The rest of your message is you trying to discredit my opinion further by ranting about how PvP players are just sooo much better than PvE players. You really sound like a person who's "ego was shattered", FYI

@@Trevan2412 Definitely BfA balance felt really good.

@@Trevan2412 My man, you kill little NPCs in dungeons on repeat to get higher number gear, rinse and repeat. Of course you don't care about deep class mechanics which actually matter in PvP. The irony of calling PvPers "one tricks" when the average M+ spammer couldn't fight another player to save their life whereas every PvP player can do your 4 button rotation. Remember, don't ever do PvP even once because the reality check would shatter your ego and make you quit the game.

​@@bobby69-420 There's no irony there, "being able to fight other players" doesn't correlate with "not being a one-trick". I also doubt you've ever done high mythic dungeon keys if you think it's that easy, in fact looking at how both systems work the difficulty is adaptative, therefore equivalent: PvP matchmaking places you against players of your skill level, and mythic dungeons allow you to climb as high as your skill level allows. But let's go back and look at what you said. Your first sentence is an attempt to minimize my opinion by insulting my skill level (And don't you also kill players "on repeat to get higher number gear, rinse and repeat"?). Then you say that I "don't care about deep class mechanics which actually matter in PvP" which is something I've never said, rather that just because something is not useful in PvP doesn't mean it should be removed because it can be very nice for PvE players to have. Likewise, some talents have a very limitted PvE use but you don't see me asking for them to be removed because I know they are useful in PvP. The rest of your message is you trying to discredit my opinion further by ranting about how PvP players are just sooo much better than PvE players. You really sound like a person who's "ego was shattered", FYI

​@@bobby69-420 There's no irony there, "being able to fight other players" doesn't correlate with "not being a one-trick". I also doubt you've ever done high mythic dungeon keys if you think it's that easy, in fact looking at how both systems work the difficulty is adaptative, therefore equivalent: PvP matchmaking places you against players of your skill level, and mythic dungeons allow you to climb as high as your skill level allows. But let's go back and look at what you said. Your first sentence is an attempt to minimize my opinion by insulting my skill level (And don't you also kill players "on repeat to get higher number gear, rinse and repeat"?). Then you say that I "don't care about deep class mechanics which actually matter in PvP" which is something I've never said, rather that just because something is not useful in PvP doesn't mean it should be removed because it can be very nice for PvE players to have. Likewise, some talents have a very limitted PvE use but you don't see me asking for them to be removed because I know they are useful in PvP. The rest of your message is you trying to discredit my opinion further by ranting about how PvP players are just sooo much better than PvE players. You really sound like a person who's "ego was shattered", FYI

I was just thinking about that! looks like i will continue to main monk into next expansion :)

What changes specifically?

I used to main monk in MoP and WoD. But ever since they took away Tigereye brew and the stun from fist of fury I hated WW ever since. I miss the big burst lockdown play style WW used to have. );

​@@okiv99mobility

I bet you don’t play it

im pretty sure there will still be a bind for your forms, fluid form just makes it so you dont have to waste globals on shapeshifting if you dont need to

Feral would be dead then xD

Given that we won't have defensives or stuns then we need to keep cyclone.

If cyclone needs it, then Fear or Polymorph should have it too

@@Chedaarekfear and poly break on damage. cyclone doesnt.

Your bad at PvP

Yeah its not the druid tree its the balance side of the tree

but pulsar is so fun

just like on DF where druid class talents were never reworked or changed throughout entire DF...up until... now and they basically made them worse somehow, i didnt even thought it was possible to make something that was garbage, even worse

Yeah the doomer mindset is quite high. I definitely get giving early feedback and letting them know what's wrong though. I'm just glad feral seems to be so much better now

It's mostly the concern that after how many years, trees are updated by people who seemingly have never played the spec/class before in all content. Very frustrating for long time players to see such glaringly and obviously bad ideas consistently be put forth.

Covenant abilities were good though, which is why a lot of them carried over to talent trees, the issue was the goofy restrictions on swapping them.

I can answer this for you (not working directly for Blizzard), but the answer is NO... I work on a game for around 45h/week... after work I spend time with my dogs, family, wife... I go outside, excercise and in the evenings usually study or research new technologies... On the weekeds I play some time, but usually other games since the one I see every single day for over 5 years now... So answer on your question is NO

Good point

Think he meant, remain.

Fine, nerf Cyclones but how about nerfing micro CCs ? I don't think cyclone is that big of a deal in terms of balance.

Nah clone is fine on feral and resto

Why? Then by that logic nerf hex, poly, nerf fear nerf sleep walk.all the other cc with no cds

@@FCBcubano are you dumb? All those break on damage

No it doesn’t. Your just bad has the same dr as anything

How do you think alpha builds get changed and balanced?… by people playing and either complaining or loving it and reporting on it. Kind of the point of these pre builds lol.

@Ferahgo11 0 seconds ago It's mostly the concern that after how many years, trees are updated by people who seemingly have never played the spec/class before in all content. Very frustrating for long time players to see such glaringly and obviously bad ideas consistently be put forth.

@@oabh1808 Not sure about that... DF has been pretty fun for me... First expansion since Panda I keep playing all seasons... CD bloat, Mobility creep, micro cc, stacking passives bloat... yes it's been worse and worse... However, tuning, balance, talents and the core gameplay has been pretty good... I pretty enjoy playing the game again... I'm excited for TWW!

@@xfozzypx115 definetly not by crying after first alpha build that they need to reroll immediatly... I always value constructive feedback... but feedback like "ahh my class is not OP anymore I need to reroll)... that doesn't help... Also I think the trees are going in right dicrection... direction of choice... do i want more offense or defense... I like that

@@Ferahgo11 I agree and disagree... First of all, it's a job... you cannot expect people who are spending over 40h/week working on a game to play the game like uneployed people/youtubers... also they're not payed for playing the game... That's game designer job to come up with interesting and elegant mechanics which will work for the game and players... it's imposible to satisfy every player... then there is a budget... game designer has to fit their ideas into the budget... that's why more often than not we get something with good potential, but it's not really finished as it supposed to be... I'm not saying they're doing an incredible job, I'm just saying it's easy to criticize everything.... 🤷

Okay then remove poly, fear, stuns too oh wait the game would be shit.

You’re just a bad player cry more about some Thing else

Right, should poly and fear also be removed? What about sap?

@@eggshapedisraelioperative6317 i dunno, does cyclone break like those ?

@@TheRobochicken5494 but you cant hit or heal either, im more disgusted by bad teammates clones