More Cat 5 Craziness and Team Tactic Tips - 2019 Brinkerhoff Road Race 

I would buy the t-shirt!

@google Lavon Affair IM DEAD LMAO

@google Lavon Affair brutal

@google Lavon Affair awww now I will never know what it was :(

This. See it a lot in lower categories.

no mention of the rider that rolled off the front solo with 8 miles to go :) oh justin

@@ErikCaldarone LOL

The biggest challenge is fighting race butterflies, then quality and critical thinking while anaerobic (heat)lol. They will all have butterflies too, like the guys in this video, use that to your advantage.

As I MTBer, why this shouldn't be done?

​@@insanityrodax8621 It's a bit hard to control your bike with dozens of people around you when you don't have your hands on the bars

he saw it on TV ; thinks he's pro... i reckon he does the idiotic super tuck on every descent too

People be hating on other peoples swagger.

I'm a terribly nervous person until I race, it is the only thing that calms me down

Thanks for sharing. I've never raced and I don't totally love group rides for the same reasons. I ride 100-150 miles a week, not as much as you. But like you said - maybe one day. BTW I'm also a lefty guitarist haha.

@@brianmessemer2973 that's pretty cool Brian, we've got some things in common there, we both know what it's like to be a lefty guitar player in this world... But remember this, we are the only ones in our "right mind" lol Playing guitar, and riding road bikes, Fantastic!! :-) :-)

leftymadrid Our right mind indeed! 👍👍

Meh, he was far enough away and lost considerable amount of speed. Doubt the dog was any serious danger.

One of my first races, (I won it!), was a big mass start, Cat 4's and Citizens, (This was USCF, before they had Cat 5's), and there were several teams, with multiple riders and matching kit, and a few "gym rat" body builders whose size intimidated me. A few "veterans" with shiny new multi-$1000's bikes, etc., And me. On my first "good enough to race" road bike. I'm a big guy, but no body builder. The course was mostly flat, with a few sharp, technical turns, and a "short-sweet-n-steep" hill 1/2 way round. I needed to get to the bottom of the hill *first*, and start up with a little mini-breakaway, so I would still be in good position at the top, and on the descent. So I did that on the first lap. Put the hammer down, and WON! Your big muscles are just dead weight, without good training, tactics, fitness, etc. My BEST tip: HOLD YOUR LINE, and HOLD YOUR PLACE in the pack. These Cat 5 's look like they're doing the twitter shaky dance! That final crash was simply a lapped wheel. STUPID mistake! My training partner and I used to practice lapping wheels, and wheel rubbing. Dangerous, but worth it. I'm trying to educate, and ENCOURAGE your racing career! Trust me, it's the MOST FUN you'll ever have! And the stories to tell your grandkids! LOL Thanks for listening to an old retired roadie! (And BTW, the *energy* of the race will enable you to do better, and ride faster than your training might suggest....But the skill improvement comes AFTER you've fully rested and recovered. You'll finish the race at whatever skill level you started at....

silentum excubitor thanks for the tips man!! I race motocross that’s how I got into cycling and figured I’d do some races to keep me in better shape. Not to worried about holding lines and corners. Just the multiple accelerations out of corners over and over. I don’t have a power meter so I have no clue what my ftp is or what my sprint is haha but we’ll see how it goes. Gonna hit my first race here soon!

Ouch, sorry to hear about your husband. I'd be happy to check it out. Send raw footage and garmin file(s) to norcalcyclingvideos@gmail.com. Google drive is easiest.

Can't wait for this one.

One suggestion if you're going to race... Stock up on some Tegaderm - it's a bandage for burns and road rash, and it's friggin magic. With any luck, you and your husband won't ever need it, but it's maybe $20 for a massive roll online and is worth having around just in case. I went down just about two weeks ago, and the road rash is just about gone now. Not from Cat 5 stupidity - even worse. Was out on a ride and hit by some twatwaffle who was texting while on *his* bike.

Did you ever end up sending this?

I knew you'd like that

That was too funny

"Stop chasing your teammates!" If rubber side down is rule #1 this should be rule #2

@Vicki Peterson I used to back in my younger days when my bones weren't to brittle.

The real crash happens earlier. word is dude went OTB after saving it from the grass

JJ WA give me the time 0:00 or stfu I don’t waste my time searching for ur bs

Most races have a "center line rule" which keeps one lane of traffic open. For the promoter, it's easier to pull a permit, and for the community who largely doesn't want us there in the first place, it doesn't completely block the road.

makes sense @@NorCalCycling

@@NorCalCycling Wow people would be getting wiped out down here in Miami, they don't drive or follow traffic rules very well lmao.

@@NorCalCycling same deal here up in Alberta, sadly it can be chaotic at times, and our association has finally started to give more people crap for centre line violations. This should maybe get a better name like Centre Line Of Death, maybe then people would respect it more.

The NCNCA (Northern Cal/Nevada) does a pretty good job enforcing the center line rule. Almost immediate DQ unless very early in the race. Also, the promoter will allow the riders to use the entire road in the feed zones and finish areas.

cat5s are something else lmaoo

HAHA YES. I wasn't alone..

god you're a bit of a broken record, yeah? @google Lavon Affair

YES, this footage is on the way, waiting for a chance to do joint commentary. Looking forward to this video, should be epic.

You can move up to a cat 1. Team racing is just different. For example, if you're a solo rider in a race with teams, put yourself in a position where teams have to chase each other. You have no obligation to chase unless you've completely missed the boat. Only follow attacks that have representation from all teams.

Depends on how strong you are. Some guys will never do well without it, most can do okay, and then there are the talented who destroy local cat 1 races and only race pro for a year or 2. Of course it's fun being on a small team of strong smart broskis, but I can hold my own in a cat 1 field just bye watching the nature of the peleton.

Trend is heading that way.

Idk, he was just defending his space, not sure why that other guy was persistently crowding him. He stayed within the rules by the way.

lol, but he was posting up for the win! The second place guy who crashed just ran right into the back of him, why didn't he slow down?!?!? thanks for sharing

@@NorCalCycling yes you're right- interestingly at one of the race series here in NJ, the officials tell the Cat 4/5 racers that if they post up with two hands off the bars they will be DQed. What are your thoughts on that?

Thanks for sharing

your frame is actually surprisingly protected in a crash. You will fuck up your derailleur, handlebars, shifters and definitely body way before you crack a frame

eighter way you take the chances in the races , if you let a break go and it never comes back , doesn't matter what you are you lost , so if someone goes up the road , and you have 3 guys , you can just make a bullet train , and rotate the 2 guys maybe add some more chasers , and the strategy will work ....

Use teamwork to hold the break at 20-30s. Wear them out. Or put your guy in the break or bridge up to the break. That's teamwork. Ruining a race by closing down every attack so your guy can sprint for 6th isn't tactics.

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the slo-motion cat 5 finale had me dyin!!! Really makes you appreciate the World Tour Guys.

They can and should work as a team. It benefits everybody.

Teamwork is great, but if I as a sprinter only had 700w left at 150 to go I wouldn't even bother to ask for protection

So if your goal as a team is win, which I'm pretty sure that's every teams goal, you do whatever gives the team the best odds. Only individuals are worried about their success over team success. If your team mate follows a guy at the end and they stay away your team has a 50/50 shot to win from that group. If he literally has no sprint then he just sits there second wheel and makes the other guy who attacked pull the whole time or shut it down. By being the one to follow, and not by bridging solo, justin pulled the ENTIRE FIELD up to his team mate. So they went from a 50/50 shot down to maybe 1/10. That's dumb. Chasing team mates is dumb. Dont chase team mates.

Tldr: if the break sticks with your team mate in it good. If you shut the entire move down as a sprinter burning a match you're dumb.

@ca5ualm3dia You literally have no idea what you're talking about

dude in a cat 5 race people break all the time and there is literally no chance to bring it back , so a team mate chasing an attack solo has maybe two options , if the break sticks now you have a two man break , he can attack and sag the pace , thats about it , if your ace is chilling behind say 5 dudes , and the break goes and it sticks , now what , your ace isnt going to magically recover and close say a 1 minute gap unless the two team mates attack and bring him up , and if he does attack solo to catch the break he will just be bringing the field with him , you should stick to the plan regroup and lead your ace to the break, especially if your chasing a one man solo attempt , it would be even more important if there is a 2 or more man team break , you can have your team mate chase an attack, so what he is solo and sitting on a solo wheel is doing nothing , he will get tired and now he falls of the break , ace is still way back with no chance , break sticks and the solo man wins , its not about chasing team mates , its about keeping a pace that the other guys cant match , when you have more than one team mate you can regroup and deliver him to the break , unless ace can close the gap , every situation is different , and in cat 5 races its usaly the stronger guys that break and go bye bye !!! @@chriswitek9455

ok world tour pro rider what am i missing , they lost because a break went and ace was way back , sitting on wheels and sending a solo team mate to chase a solo wheels isnt going to get ace to the finish line first , its not rocket science DUDE !!!@@jjwa5410