Difference Between Cat 1 and Cat 5 - Davis 4th of July Crit Breakdown with Cameron Jeffers 

The collab we didnt know we needed

Awesome to be on your channel man. Had a lot of fun! Tried my best to share the little I do know about Crit racing and sorry if I was too critical 😂 let’s do this again some time!

if you can imagine riding with 80 guys with the skills from the cat 4 race, but at the speed of the p/1/2 race and you have criterium racing in Germany :D

Cameron Jeffers was awesome. Longer commentary on some of the more interesting crits and road races would definitely be a great addition to the channel.

Cam made an excellent video highlighting why it is beneficial for the growth of sport/sponsor visibility for riders to video the races.

Definitely the two channels that got me into riding this year. This was an amazing surprise.

Yes, please have Cam on again!

Thank you for the comparison After watching some of the lower cat races, have much more confident and knowledge to do my first one nice collab

Yes, please do a longer form chat with Cam. That would be awesome. I'd love to hear more about the differences between US and UK crit cycling.

100 F is 38 C. Hot. Great commentary!

It still amazes me how fast some can ride. I'd be going full steam and a group just rides by like im standing still while casually chit chatting away...

Wow, an international collaboration! This is yet again another level 👏🤯

hey jeff love the vids. really stoked when i saw u today on prospect road!!

Wow, 2 of my favorite cycling channels in one video! What a surprise

More of my two favourite channels brought together into one? Yes please. 👍

Love the collabs! Would love to hear you 2 again and it also would be cool to hear you and vegan cycling talk as his team/he is in a lot of the races you do.

Great stuff! Please keep them coming!!

having that cat 5 footage and having the critique was so useful!

Your first race??? You were able to spent 15min in the front? I mean... I spent 15min in the peloton and got dropped

my two favorites! more please

"I feel like we could talk for like 40 or 50 minutes" DO IT. Lol

I remember racing crits on much tighter and narrower roads, they were closed but almost always village and town centres or industrial estates in Holland and Germany. 150 or so starters. It was crazy sometimes but you learnt how handle a bike. This was back in the 1980’s.

Damn that’s rough no cameras allowed in UK racing

Thanks very much for the commentary on the 4-5s. I'm a new crit racer (well, technically I guess I will be in 2021 ... covid) and having this perspective is extremely helpful in understanding strategy and so things to focus on even before I get started.

Never expected Cameron Jeffers to do a dual commentary on this channel

Great insight as ever @Cameron Jeffers is a solid racer and followed him for some time now, your channel has helped me go from up from 4th cat to 3rd cat in the UK. Love a good Crit but can we get some Road Races as well?

HEY NEW RU-vid ICON :D congrats !!! ^^

YEAH THE COLLAB!

Great commentary!

Wtf. I was a low level amateur racer in Holland from 8 to 21 in 2011. I only participated in some local competitions at that point, and I thought I wasn't good enough for the sport for not being able to keep up after a certain amount of laps. And wasn't able to invest 10 hours a week in training, which is the main reason I quit. Now I see this video and am realizing that we rode roughly at the level of those guys in the first video. I feel like I would have been able to destroy the competition in that second vid. Perhaps I should give it another go with the seniors.

38C Cam...GB does not know this temp

One serious question I have is why are these crits always on such crazily short courses? Is that on purpose or are there any specific reasons? This seems more like mario kart than actual bycicle racing.

To help in remembering temperature unit conversions at the hotter side of weather ranges, just remember that normal human body temp is 37°C or 98.7°F. So 100°F is going to be warmer than 37°C, and is in fact 37.8°C.

Wow, the second video looks like a no drop Sunday ride

Nice one British Cycling, a great way to entice the next generation of riders............

I'd love some more tips on cat 5/4 racing ! Great video

Great stuff, more vids with cam plzz

I love these videos, I wish Sweden had a crit scene

i see this and now i feel like i can race. all ur other videos i watch in awww just like jesus these guys are wayyyyy faster than me

Learned a lot from this video. Appreciate it. I wanted to ask , what tires are most of the riders including yourself, on the west coast using ? The benchmark Contis ? Or what’s popular there ??

definitely do that again

master 4/5 compared to open p12. It is called age and having to go to work on monday. lol

Cameron Jeffers The GoPro on the bike is not allowed in France too. But many do that aniway whithout problem. Maybe you can ask if you can record some UK race : it's a good mean to promote the sport.

Keep bringing on the guest reviews.

WTF this came out of no ware great collab!!!

Great comparison

the biggest difference between euro racing and american racing is the fact that there are way more races in europe. It allows you to have a lot more fun and try a bunch of different things during each race because if it doesn't work out for you in one race you know in a couple days you have another big race. also there are way more stage races

What are they using to video their race? Its nice that it shows all the data along with video footage.

Whuuuut Cameron this is an amazing suprise 4 me😅

Bro I never I saw this collab coming

OK thats the slowest Cat 4/5 crit I have ever seen...and I race NORCAL

It'd be great to see Cam come down some time to do a crit with Team Terun and do a collab commentary.

What do you use to track your data in your videos?

I love your videos! I'm wondering how you include map, power, heart and speed data in the video.

What's your 5 and 20 second max power?

Cool collab

why switch to the outside instead of the inside?

What was that guy on the left in the P12 who sat up about 50m before the finish line doing? Who sits up before the line? Looked pretty dangerous, as everyone else was going about 3x faster than he was for the line.

The wattages of the cat 5 rider are WAY too high for what was happening. Creative editing, or does the guy weigh 400 pounds?

What tire sizes you guys run with?

Cool collab!. Both of your countries have categories. And crits. That's so awesome. We have neither :D. Just around 10-15 road races per year. Each of them has 2 distances. 1-1.5h and 2-3h distance. Field for each distance is around 150-200. Except my home town race where it's 2000-2500 riders each distance :). They're all free for all, 4-up tandems, guys riding in giraffe costumes and what not. The president riding as well. I dream of categories and crits...

Do a Southern California Crit analysis with Cam. SoCal crits are insane.

Can we have more collabs like this?

Ok, there's a beginner crit, 1 or no prior races, for a charity I'm thinking about doing for the experience of something different. I'm not young by any means, but I'm pretty good in shape, so in a not big bike area of the US, would you suspect there will be others similar to me? Yea, I just don't want to look like a fool.. LOL..

Davis crit was the last race I did in college in 1982. Everybody pedaled around the corners, lots of crashes.

What's the background for cameras being frowned upon in the peloton in the UK?

What bike do you use to race? I've been trying to figure out with quick glimpses in your videos but I cannot seem to figure it out. I'm 15 and I'm trying to get into the world of bike racing if anyone could recommend a good race bike that goes from 2,000-3,000 USD. I live in the North East USA, where there are a lot of hills and valleys. Thank you!

CAMERON JEFF FTW!!!!!

Wow, the last race I did in college, in 1982.

I don't even own a bike. Never considered racing. Here I am for my 8th video from this man today.

it's (nearly) 40 degrees C, Cameron!

Criterium: Tiresome parade (unless there are pileups) with a sprint at the end.

syncing footage from a P/1/2 and cat 4 crit and doing a side by side might be really illuminating. If you ran the cat 4 race at ~107% speed, I bet they would stay synced pretty well (26 vs 28 mph)

question: if i come to a vacation in the USA can i participate in crit races?

blimey, what an unlikely combo.

Loved seeing this. Makes me feel a lot bettet about my own abilities as compared to the Cat5 guys. I assumed I could never race based on everything I've seen.

100F is 37.7 repeating C, for anyone who is confused @1:43. 28-30C would be pleasant.

What category are you Jeff

bit late... but why are on board cameras banned in the UK? Literally what is the downside...

Legit thought this was cam's video then heard the voice

The heart rate in the master's athlete was suspicious. It was too high for someone that has aged. And it didn't decelerate during the pauses between sprints. You'd expect to see some deceleration once the power went to 0. Maybe the rider had a ton of lactate to clear, and was riding at the limit.

Hi bro! Can we have a private chat? I also want to do these cycling race with videos. I'm from Philippines.

Norcal cycling to join the groupetto podcast

lol, that's me getting passed at the line in the p1/2! didn't realize there was someone that close to me and also kinda didn't matter at that point XD even showed it to the end there a couple times...

If LA Legion was at the front it would be single file

I'm guessing the Cat 4/5 guy is pushing too large of a gear, they go from 0-700+ in 1sec.

Might want to change the thumbnail!

Definitely a repeat guest👍👍

Of course the p12 looks much faster they were in the last few laps, I've done a lot of 4,5 races back when with a average 24 25 and sprints close to 40

The difference in standard between Cat4 Uk and Cat5 US is massive, races seem more accessible in the US whereas racing in the UK is a much smaller scene.

What’s the difference between P1,2 vs cat5s? Drugs!! Not everyone but almost everyone in the P1,2 do something. I raced for about 9 years and made it to the cat2s and saw too much. Pro cycling is an illusion please don’t comment if you have another made it to the level. Respectfully,

Masters and/or 4/5 riders are strong, but it comes down to skill and confidence..which comes with experience. Case in point, you show up at a Grand Fondo and CAT 4's will just crush it...but crits.....nope.

Commenting that "gaps would never open up like that in the P12 field" after having watched riders do nothing but close gaps in the P12 pack 🥳

What happened in the cat 5 race? You cut out and never went back. I was looking forward to the bunch gallop to the line. Would have been nice to at least give some kudos to the race winner.

You have to be in the top 5 at least with two laps to go to have a shot at the win. Also never sit on wheels in front of you. they are always going slower.

No teammates to bring him in front ?

A big reason for the speed difference between Cat 5 and Cat 1 is because of team tactics. Cat 5 racers don't have a reason to be going hard unlike Cat 1 riders who may be working for a team. It's more dependent on weeding out the weaker riders until you can sprint at the finish. Yes, it's also because of technique and comfortableness, but there's no reason to be going fast unless someone puts out an attack.

CAMMMMM

38 c

The rider's hr isn't recovering at all when they are resting. I think they're exhausted.