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This is not cheating, just slow weaving.

Gotta say, this isn't cheating. This is simply just slow weaving. Nothing bad about this at all

This one’s not too bad in my opinion. A little bit cheeky but nothing that I would be too mad at

Again… this is the difference between racers and gamers. Racers will exploit absolutely any advantage they can to gain a advantage. If it’s in the game they will do it until iracing makes a fix around it. That’s not cheating, it’s just being a racer. Cheating is using external programs to help. What he did is basically racing… And that’s why E-sports with racing games is such a complicated thing to make it work. Because it’s like 2 completely different things. Real life racers want real life racing simulation. And gamers want a gaming competition.

Where was the cheating? Can someone explain the advantage? This flew under the radar because he is not breaking rules maybe?

Is there an actual rule, that prohibits him doing that? Otherwise its just a clever appliance of the games rules, isnt it?

While it's important this is highlighted, I wouldn't call this cheating as much as a clever exploit (as you do in the video). It happens in real racing too. See how Schumacher won the 98 British Grand Prix. It's down to iRacing to clamp down on this behaviour, much like it's down to the FIA to clamp down on exploits in the rules.

Iracing needs live stewards for these kinda of events.

I thought iRacing resets the tire physics when you leave the pits . Like in the P-Cup, its easy to do a burn out and almost swing the rear around in the pits. As soon as you cross that green flag i've found the tires go back to cold. I could be wrong. Good video btw.

I don't know if I misunderstood you or it came round the wrong way. But Diego is a Pro/WC License holder, therefore he is a Pro Driver. And Pro driver are held to a higher standard to none Pro Driver. That is written down in the rules and has been confirmed in the past by the Devs in the forum. So a "it doesn't matter" does not count.

I am glad you are bringing this up. One point you do not point out is that. If people see the pro use exploit and gain an advantage. Then the casual racer will start doing the same thing to gain the advantage. So yes, it does matter.

I, for one, appreciate you highlighting this. Even I don’t think this is a huge deal but the fact that so many are cheating and trying to gain an unfair advantage needs to be gaslighted! So that drivers(teams) are more reluctant to do it in the future due to being exposed and gaining damaging publicity from it. Esports are role models just like any sport. It has to be fair so that the people that strive and dream to be apart of esport or real sport is achievable. It has to be fair and just for everyone. All playing by the same rules. How can someone dream of being apart of esports or real sports if all they do is cheat and exploit things the general public doesn’t have information on or know how to use. It’s just going to kill the sim racing community. No ones going to wanna compete or try to develop their talents.

My question is if you enter the pits at the commencement of your first qually lap does it invalidate your first lap or do you still get to do 2 full qually laps?

I’m not sure I have a problem with this one. What Williams did at daytona24 was clearly stated in the regulations as forbidden, however I’m not sure this exploit (and yes, I recognize it is an exploit) is also clearly forbidden by the regs. If not, I do t consider this cheating, if yes, well, then it’s cheating

Scott, If there is money to be made you can find people that will exploit ways to get it. I left iRacing in December and don't miss it. Between all the people that wreck others out and now the cheating I'm not going back. I'll continue my AI races on other platforms and enjoy myself knowing everyone is above board.

Brake dragging is considered as cheating ? I'm not a natural english, I don't know if I missed that point or not

weaving is fine they do it all the time in pesc, diogo didnt rly do anything wrong as compared to williams. Ragards 🖖

Wait, there's no live stewards? Really?

Huh, i don't get it, where's the cheating?? Is he gaining another extra lap by going through pitlane? If it is after his outlap, he just ruined his first qualy lap attempt .. So why would weaving in the pit give him an advantage? He could even be heating the tyres extra on the outlap itself or even lap 1 in qualy if he does not care to loose that attempt. 90% of simracers do swerve around a bit extra before the green flag drops in a race, if you do that within reasonable 'normal lines' the system does not care .. He just ruined his first qualy lap attempt .. and that in my point of view is much more of a disadvantage then a gain.

You're right, this is the reason sim racing esports doesn't get the recognition it deserves. CoD pro players have gentleman's agreement not to use these

Weaving to warm tyres isn’t against iracing rules tho

Send this video to Iracing let them decide and deal with it

I don't think its that bad. Its just trying to get extra tyre temperature in qualifying. in GT3 for qualifying I couldnt even get temperature into the tyres after the outlap and 1 full push lap

I would’ve binned it in the pits trying that

I hate to say it but i find it kinda cheeky for that streamer to be complaining about anything

So is the exploit that weaving in the pit lane is getting their tyres in the right temp window quicker or is it glitching the tyre temps?

Everything for the clicks. How much trash can someone talk…

They would have practiced this and would of known of what the result would be

I'm not a huge fan of people calling this cheating. Happens in real racing. And this is a simulator. You have the choice to do it too or not. No need to gate keep the way you can drive or qualify. Each there own I guess. I care more about dirty drivers than anything else.

I wouldn't say this is cheating. You can use the pitlane however you please in sim as long as its below the pitlane speed limit. Nothing says in the rules to use the correct lane, or not weave in the pits. I'd say that's smart af 🤣 and typical to what you can find at the top level in any sport. To the 99% of sim racers out there, you probably wouldn't notice this very very small advantage you'll get. I don't seem to gain anything from it personally "currently 8600ir and race with these guys frequently". No where as bad as grass dipping, or using the apron as they are clearly not allowed in the rules. But cool video, and I defo believe there needs to be live stewarding in top split events, only way these shenanigans can be policed 🤠

Bro 8min is enough. Don’t need to reach the 10min mark anymore. Kind regards Your mama

Stop 😭!!

Now it is reaching Nothing comparable to tires in the grass at spa or the apron at daytona He just weaved in the pits by himself

Thanks for highlighting this, I'd argue it's more important in lower splits as you avoid the carnage so it's definitely an exploit iracing have to fix. All these stories about cheating is slowly turning me off sim racing as I don't have the time to practice much and knowing there's people cheating just to increase their match making number kinda makes me think what the he'll am I doing here

I like your point talking about role models. Ultimately its how I feel why its so sad all this cheating is going on.

Report it, let iRacing handle it just like the FIA handles are grey areas in F1 and other racing series. Don't understand the fuss about it....

This isn't cheating. However, it goes against a "moral code of conduct" in my book. You wouldn't be allowed to do this in the real series. Therefore, you shouldn't do it here simply because it's not the RIGHT thing to do.

You're shitting me. Its considered an exploit to push the brakes and the throttle at the same time??? That cant be right. If it is then is trail braking an exploit? Is drafting an exploit? Is going faster an exploit?

This is racing.

Unless it's specifically against the rules, it's not cheating. It's like complaining that trail breaking is cheating just because you're not doing it. If it gains you an advantage, and there's no rule against it, just do it, and stop whining about it.

Oh not again. Heard it here first mate, It seems its at every major event now…

Somebody attempted to 'exploit' the physics engine working correctly??? The big disappointment here is the use of click bait and blackening someone's name, just to make some RU-vid coin.

they should just close pit road in quali

But, its not cheating, the rules are governed by the game, there are no stewards reviewing it, everyone has the same opportunity to do that same, if its an exploit, that iracing should fix, then the title of the video should reflect it. Cheating is circumventing the rules, ie the programmed game with Hacks, and obviously the game sets the rules. Or, the championship admins within the game that is created, set guidelines and regulations people participating should follow. Does this mean we need appointed race stewards appointed who are watching and reviewing each competitor. Wouldnt be practical. as with any sport, like you mentioned, people will take any advantage they can get, but even though this is highlighted, nothing will happen. This video is just diluting videos that find hacks, and suits those cheaters as it waters down, the hack users cheats. Which no one wants.

I think your starting to Nit Pick m8, Grip hack is a cheat for sure but if you go down this road the next thing will be if someone does a donut he's cheating because his tires will be warmer" 😳

I don’t see what the problem is. Did he speed in the pits? It’s not like there is anyone to kill in the pits. Cars pass right through each other there in iracing. Perhaps i’m dim. I don’t see what harm or unfairness was was done?

He did nothing wrong, nothing at all. You should only blame the developer for making a faulty mechanic. everything else is just naiv.

Thanks stuffed!

More drivers come up the ranks ,most ever, I think the roll model part is very important!! All throw I had just extracted iRacing and reloaded it and there was a new iRacing cheat stopper that I had to install ,don’t know what it did?

Absolutely get why you'd post this, but it really didn't need to be 10 minutes long

Should be easy to fix at least and the guy should get a ban to set an example. Maybe as long as it takes to fix the exploit! To try to bypass the Qualy detection is what is bad.

It's monkey see monkey do with a lot of this stuff. It makes sim racing look bad imo. There is some kind of advantage from doing that, or he wouldn't have been doing it! Lets be real here. These things need to start being taken more serious by iracing and other devs. There needs to be consequences severe enough to make people and teams not even try. Until that happens you will be making many more of this type of video.

How is this an advantage if it didn't work? So he does the old brake drag thing in pit lane to not get black flagged? That's it?

Sorry, why can't you weave to heat tyres in qualis? That's a nonsense rule. I don't get how doing something pretty normal in irl, on the only bit of track you're allowed to do it, is cheating? Yes it is evident that they're using the pitlane to heat their tyres, and if that is against regs, then that's that, but not (safely) weaving before a quali lap is bad form irl.

It's impossible to make everything perfect. There's always going to be exploits and people who use them. I'm curious about the difference in systems in regards to GPUs, CPUs ect ect. When I over clock my CPU the car actually drives better and I can be 2 or 3 tenths faster. I also risk the chance of my PC crashing I'm curious if there's rules regarding core frequencies, ram speeds ect ect

What the hell ? Something must be in the water !🤘🏼🏁

Dont shoot the messenger please, but many irl race drivers and teams say this about it "":As long as your not caught cheating, you have not cheated"". That is a regular way of thinking in many sports sadly.

Clickbait.

when it happens in real life, it should be part of sims too. just last year winning team in f1 was punished for cheating and they still are at top.

The one thing I never understand is the beef with people finding loopholes like this, or being mad about brake dragging, etc. dragging your brakes a little bit every so often on an outlap is not that uncommon especially in series where you don't have tire blankets like F1, so weaving will just make you spin. I do it on my outlaps with Skip Barber, I've been coached to do it, this is just another loophole that racers look for to find that little extra advantage.

Fair play man. Yes u should be posting this info. 🤝🏻

For me it's borderline cheating but what is funny is he only qualified 8th so any help it did cause him it wasn't major like the brake dragging.

Not cheating, just doing whatever it takes to win.

Sorry but this is not “cheating” persé. It’s a little bit click baity by you really. Yes he’s exploiting something to get an advantage but this is not opening a 3rd party app to gain extra grip or anything. Now all you have really done is given others something to try on their Quallifying laps. I know you said you disagree with this statement but I respectfully completely disagree with your stance on this one. I do agree that it’s not good but it’s not definitely not a proven cheat and it’s not really an advantage. All that’s going to happen now is since you have highlighted it, there is going to be a lot of people Quallifying out of position if it actually does anything at all and works. You’re video is a highlighted with a lot of assumptions. He didn’t put it on pole. We didn’t see him come go through Sunset, maybe he just stuffed up his run through Sunset and thought it better to go through Pitlane and still have 2 flying laps to have a crack?? To make these these sort of accusations and to be so angry about it you really need to have more proof that backs up your theory or theories. Otherwise it’s just click bait and fantasy really.

Fully agree, great video

So… if iRacing hasn’t said no prior… then it’s not cheating. Just like the mini-helmets driver you have there, drivers will take every possible advantage they can, then others teams raise an objection, and it gets dealt with 1 way or the other. Although technically it’s an “exploit” it’s not like they are exploiting code, or straight up cheating. It’s just “hard racing” Toto

To say iracing cost ££££’s (with a good selection of cars and tracks) there are far too many holes and exploits - this shouldn’t be allowed to happen. Both in the code but also live stewards for top level events should have been the norm for years.

This isnt cheating for me.. if it isnt allowed give a in game penalty or dq.

I started losing my interest in sim racing more and more over the past 6 months or so and I’m a 4 year iracing member. Environment has become too toxic for me to invest a chunk of time

Can Verstappen ever be associated with a team that doesn't cheat?