There's also this very odd observation I made rewatching parts of the final Persona 3 movie... it involves some stylistic "memory" scenes and Elizabeth... I decided to sit on it for a bit though, but maybe I'll include it in (hopefully another) theory update video 😄 🎮TWITCH: www.twitch.tv/ladyvirgilia 🐤TWITTER: @VirgiliaLady twitter.com/VirgiliaLady 🌟PATREON: www.patreon.com/LadyVirgilia
I hate Final Fantasy for setting this precedent, that a remake must mean there are new things. Why can't it just be another chance for us to relive the experience?
@@agent3689agreed, not every remake needs to be some convoluted timeline BS. Hell, I think anytime a story introduces some timeline/multiverse nonsense I immediately lose interest. I just want to re-experience the game again. P3 has a perfect ending, in fact it’s my favorite ending of any narrative. If they change it, my disc goes flying out my window with extreme prejudice.
@@ghostwarmenAgreed. I would despise the game, no matter how good the rest of it turns out to be. I would also not be happy that Atlus turned out to have lied in the interview about preserving the experience of Persona 3.
@@ghostwarmen I agree about the timeline stuff, but it’s not like persona hasn’t done this before (P2). And there’s a chance Persona 3’s ending won’t change, but they’ll make up some Elizabeth thing to replace the answer. Yeah…I think I’ll wait until the game drops and ppl have given reviews before I consider buying. Im already wary of the gameplay shown of Tartarus and the cut features. It’s funny cuz I thought remaking P3 should’ve been generally easy.
haha this is exactly what I was thinking while watching the video then loved to discover people with the same thought. FFVII: Remake has messed with our minds forever.
Honestly, I really love if they give us a new timeline that Elizabeth made for the MC to not get sealed. But if they decided to do that, I want it to be in the new game+, so all the new players could experience the same with us back then first.
This ^. I really like FF7 remake but the fact that it seems it's a reboot and not a remake make me sad because i never experienced the original one and i don't intend to. Retro gaming isn't for me 😅
@@fukopi it's Persona,they tend to have multiple endings as a given so i wouldn't worry too much. 5 Royal had 2 new endings but you can still just do the Normal ending like in the original game, Reload s probably the same way.
I remember Margaret vaguely mentioning Elizabeth in passing when she sings the Velvet Room song in P4G. I also remember her singing it in the P4 anime (with Igor giving her a side-eye expression). Those are the only other instances I can remember of the song.
There is also Persona Q where both Margaret and Elizabeth sing it together, which mind you for each team's respective time line, takes place before the end of their games.
Liz sings it in P3D and its a one off dancing game but i think when you read "liz looks at you with a longing look" its like shes been without you for a long time and that game is only but a brief respite the characters dont event remember
Great analysis - just on a pure video game level, it would be weird or unnatural that this game does not get a 3rd semester, an epilogue or similar since both P4G and P5R got one. Definitely do get the vibes that they are hidng something big, espeicailly with Elizabeth.
This wouldn't be the first time Atlus West made English voice acting choices based on the plot. In P3 Ikutsuki and Igor were given the same voice actor since they both are mentors. In P4 Adachi was the same voice actor as the main character since he is the MC's figurative shadow.
p3 had a lot of VA overlap (Ikutsuki/Igor, Takaya/Mitsuru's dad, Shinji/Jin, Natsuki/Aigis, Akihiko/Yukari's dad) and I don't think any of it was intentional or the Japanese VA's would also match. The English voice acting scene was just a lot smaller back then
@@hunterhunter5998 taking into account the en VA industry was much larger now and potential new talents, Atlus might had wanted the new VA to shine and gain some spotlight. Kind of a right choice to some extent as the new generation of VA are talented in many areas.
Elizabeth isnt the only one who hasnt forgotten. i was so excited when persona 4 arena was out because (as shown in this video) elizabeth is clearly not giving up on the p3 protag. i have been hoping for soooooo many years that this arc would get a conclusion. i hoped p5 would have touched on it. it didnt. i hoped persona q games would touch on it. they didnt. please atlus. let us finally save Door kun!!
I think a 3rd semester with a different ending COULD work, but on one condition...Elizabeth would have to take the protags place. That's the only way I see this working, as it'd keep the theme of death being inevitable, but just changing who dies. If they handle it well enough and establish a really close bond between Makoto and Elizabeth, I think it'd work quite well.
Funny thing I've noticed: In FES, Liz walks down the up escalator, while in the trailer for Reload she's shown walking up the down escalator. I don't know what this could mean symbolically, but it's a neat detail that may or may not signify what she's trying to do in the main story.
Whoa great observation! I didn't even notice that! I actually love that symbolically...?! Like maybe it symbolizes that Liz is truly fighting an uphill battle now. It's way more effort and way harder to go up the down escalator, but that won't stop her until she accomplishes her goal...? :o
my guy its just a cute reference to one of the events with Liz in p3fes, its NOT that deep trust 😭😭😭😭 (also i REALLY hope this "reload-ing" theory doesnt prove to be true, cuz i am NOT playing P3 with some Undertale ahh plot beats jfc 💀)
Your Elizabeth theory sounds a lot like Madoka Magica -> Rebellion movie, and it would be interesting if most of the Reload events are due to Liz' time shenanigans.
Hopefully we get a secret arc/ ending route for Elizabeth trying to save makoto like she was trying to do in persona 4 arena ultimax this is the perfect time to wrap that up
I would like a conclusion of Elizabeth arc but i hope protag won't be back. First reload makoto isn't the one she knew first so even if she save him it won't be the. And this will minimize makoto actions
*SPOILERS FOR PERSONA 5* I can’t help but be reminded of when they used David Lodge to voice Fake Igor, not just to replace Dan Woren but to set up the twist of him actually being Yaldabaoth in disguise. Bringing back Tara Platt could absolutely be a way to make the returning fans wonder, “…Why does *she* feel the same as before but no one else does?” I didn’t even consider the significance of Jin’s new dialogue, that blew my mind and I think you’re right! Recontextualizing Strega’s motivation around wanting to preserve their memories, giving us more chances to make memories with each SEES member, and this new feature allowing us rewind to a previous save file all seem to point towards this “new timeline” theory 🧐!
I think you’re on to something with Tara Platt. While it’s true the Jp cast hasn’t changed the US cast had already replaced or would need to replace some characters which probably is what brought on the decision to recast everyone regardless of the original casts availability. I think Elizabeth having her old voice is deliberate. It’s something to help illustrate this games story in a way only the English dub could do.
i just need the original ending to be available and untouched. With that in mind, i wouldnt mind new extra endings story wise im glad theyre adding new scenes and i hope they take more stuff from the movies, like how they reworked ken and shinji
I'm not sure if this has any importance or value to your theory, LadyVirgilia, but another thing I noticed about Elizabeth is that she holds her grimoire in her right hand in P3R. In the original Persona 3, she held the grimoire in her left hand and she didn't start holding it in her right hand until Persona 4 Arena. At first I thought that the only reason for that was because P4A is a 2D anime fighter, so they needed to change her hand so that they could have the tome on the foreground for Player 1, and then they subsequently corrected her to a right-handed person in the Persona 3 movies for consistency. However, in the Atlus TGS 2023 briefing they announced a new Elizabeth figure by Kotobukiya, officially branded as a 'Persona 3' (NOT Reload) figure, and the grimoire is in her left hand again.
Here’s my theory: In are initial run, the events and ending of original P3 will still play out the same way with some new story changes like the additional bonding with SEES that will have story importance for this new / optional “Reloaded ending” where after your complete your initial run and get the original true ending of P3, you have the option to “reload” your run and experience your initial run ( kinda like NG+ ), but this time make a divergences ( like making SEES remember the original ending, possibly teaming up with Strega) to get the new ending for P3RE in which you can ultimately ( possibly ) save Makoto’s from his fate by making divergences in the timeline and figuring out a way to defeat Erebus before the arrival of Nyx This way, new players can still experience original P3’s events / ending as it was originally intended for the very first time and veterans players can still have their OG P3 ending unchanged. While both players ( if they want to of course ) can get a new alternative ending for P3 in which they change Makoto’s fate ( Edit: Also, I want to clarity, this new reloaded ending WON’T replace the OG P3 in the timeline nor will it retcon future titles either. Instead, I believe this new reloaded ending will ultimately be an alternative timeline similar to how Kotone / FEMC’s timeline and Eternal Punishment’s timeline are both Alternate timelines that are canonically to the overall timeline and doesn’t retcon anything that’s already established like the Answer or Arena. The past can’t be rewritten,but a new future can be created. )
@@MinhLe19303 time shenanigans, Makoto only returns in present day after 5 if they pull it off. The Answer and Arena both already happened before Elizabeth went on her journey as seen from her dialogue in Arena.
FEMC is a possibility of a "Reload" actually occurring. By that I mean to say that FEMC is a direct result of Elizabeth's success in saving the MC's soul; in so doing she also re-winded time to around the MC's time of conception; thus creating FEMC. or something like that...i'm gonna go get a 40 now.
@@agent3689 the purpose of Elizabeth's journey is to save the MC. This is the entire reason she's away from the velvet room and involved in the arena and dancing games.
I did enjoyed your analysis video although I am surprised you didn't mention the screen shots with Makoto and Takaya talking to each other without the S.E.E.S members or Strega members for that matter. But nonetheless I am very excited for Reload even more thanks to Probable and the Answer so whatever happens either it's a faithful to the game's story or pulling FF7R with it. I will be their no matter what happens.
Every version of p3 has happened. The og, fes, portable, the movies, even the manga are canon. Ok maybe not the manga, but maybe each version is Elizabeth trying to figure out how to save the protagonist. Idk it was just a thought
OH MY GOSH DUUUDE YOUR THEORY MADE MY JAW DROP It's just all so well thought out and I honestly really hope they head in that direction for P3 Reload's story Also, as a fan of the p3 movies, I'm really excited at the potential for the scenes with Ryoji especially to be added in game since I felt they added so much to the og story
Tara Platt isn't the only English VA coming back, her husband Yuri Lowenthal aka the old Makoto Yuki VA is also coming back, since we haven't heard Ryoji's voice yet, we can't be sure since he was also busy voicing Spider-Man but I do believe he might come back as just Ryoji. (He is also voicing Yukari's dad)
Oh wow, if it's true Yuri Lowenthal is reprising his roles as Ryoji and Pharos, that'd actually add more to my crackpot theory haha! Because aside from Elizabeth, Ryoji is the other mega "question mark" I have pinned down when it comes to Reload. If there really is gonna be some kind of change to P3RE from the original game(s), it wouldn't surprise me if Ryoji is somehow involved in it... 😬
I absolutely love this theory! It remakes the entire P3 as a whole but also adding extra never-before-seen content as a continuation of Elizabeth's story. A two birds in one stone situation similar to FF7R
I'm never mixed about a new ending. I loved the P3 ending, so if this theory winds up being true, it will be interesting to see how they pull this off without devaluing the old ending.
Since SMT, and by extension Persona, all take place in a multiverse where every possible outcome creates a splinter reality, I think what we may be seeing is Elizabeth jumping between worlds to find a reality where Makoto doesn't become Door-Kun.
i used to think making and elizabeth tie in game would be really cool, make her the protagonist and enlist the help of sees as we see them in p4au to save the protagonist. if they add a way to acheive a secret ending, possibly including save data manipulation and "time travel" that would be cool too
Honestly does feel like maybe an ending you can unlock through some way, heck, maybe even as a New Game+ ending or something, similar to how in P5R You can have either the original P5 True Ending or an all new separate True Ending
LadyVirgilia's video is out? Instant like, already know a banger. About the Velvet song I remember Liz did singing it to Aigis in The Answer iirc (only text, no voice).
2:12 This is a bit of an explored concept with the added Chidori revival scene, isn't it? She drastically became different but retained a bit of her memories in a form of a fleeting dream. This is also explored in Persona 2, as one of the major plot point of the ending of IS is the requirement to forget and let go in order to restore the world (Which Tatsuya failed to do, leading to EP's setup). With some lines from Jin here paralleling what is mentioned there. Boiling down to the death of an individual happening twice, one would be their physical death. And the other is the death of their memories on this world. Being forgetten and forgetting is a more impactful death than your physical death since you are still carried by the memories of the people you have interacted with, made bonds with, and touched their hearts over the course of your life. A great elaboration to an aspect of P3's main theme (life), If you ask me. 10:20 Margaret sings this first but do mentions that Elizabeth and her made it together. Although they completely disagree on how to sing it (different tunes). So its first appearance is technically P4 in real life but chronologically, Elizabeth would definitely know this before and during Persona 3. As she and Margaret could not have been talking during the events of Persona 4 to make this song after P3. With Margaret's lines on her boss fight confirming her leaving the room after The Answer. Rank 9 Margaret s.link is when it appears. Directly referencing Elizabeth. And also appears in the anime (Hence, why the tune is debated).
While I'm not sure if it means anything, I like that they're giving Strega more character, and showing them as a tight-knit group. They were always meant to be the "dark counterpart" to SEES but they kinda missed the mark originally. I just hope their boss fights are better (i.e they don't go down in 1-2 hits). I watched the first two Rebuild films in university but fell out of it by the time of the later ones. I HEARD about the piano scene though, and given P3's already heavy Evengelion allusions I wouldn't be surprised if the piano playing is a reference, given Ryoji and Kaworu have a lot of parallels. 6:54 Wait, what the heck is "Theurgia"? Does that relate to the new super attack we see Junpei use? Alternatively it could be the new name for Fusion Skills, since the term means "invoking power from a deity". (And welp, 11:26 confirms this) 11:50 Hang on. What are those coloured bars next to the portraits? They're shorter for Mitsuru and Akihiko. Is this a tiredness meter? (If tiredness is back, it'd be cool to get a visual indicator of it) Or maybe it ties into those special moves? 12:23 And now those bars are the same colour? I don't have any strong thoughts on what they might do with the story, but I AM getting more and more hyped for this game.
@@nuryandamzulfian6565 Makes sense. Actually wow, so that means I've got my wish for how they should've limited Showtime Attacks in Royal to some kind of meter.
Theurgia is a new mechanic. You fill it up in different ways, depending on character’s personality. If you switch to Junpei you can fill his up and he’ll do his new “special attack”. If you’re Makoto, you need to use lots of SP, and then you can perform a fusion spell. The colored bars are the gauge, and it accumulates throughout battles in Tartarus.
Makoto, Ryoji and Kaworu are all voiced by Akira Ishida as well and Persona 3 has never been shy about showing how Evangelion influenced it. So, I give this theory more thought than I would normally because this game is very much inspired by Evangelion and doing it's own Rebuild of Evangelion or Final Fantasy VII Remake, all of which have a subtitle playing into this kind of idea of being a remake that's also something of a sequel.
So, I want to start off by saying that I watched this video first, and went back to watch your initial theory. This comment is more aimed at that video, but I figured you'd be more likely to see it here. Lol. I agree 100% with your Elizabeth theory, however I think there's a lot more context to pull from. Margaret mentions "those that he bonded with." In Persona Q, Minato/Makoto bonded with the Investigation Team, even telling Yu that they would meet again. In Persona Q2, we can also add the Phantom Thieves and even the FeMC into this statement. P3 Dancing is the ultimate timeline shenanigan. The game is seemingly set before the final battle, however Elizabeth knows the outcome, and tries to warn the team, knowing that they'll forget when they wake up. The Phantom Thieves are also present, implying that this game takes place after P5. Elizabeth also mentions that Igor "would totally kill her" if he knew what she was doing in the Velvet Room. I don't think this is in reference to the dance party. I think she was practicing for a potential time travel mission. The Answer has Mitsuru mention that one can't reform humanity to stop wishing for Death. Persona 5 was all about trying to reform humanity. My theory is that P3 Reload will be mostly 1 to 1, but all of these plot points are coming together to a potential final game to conclude the saga of P3, P4, P5, and their spinoffs. Perhaps The Answer and FeMC will be dlc? I can imagine a FeMC route where Theodore is forced to be your attendant, while Elizabeth is busy trying to butterfly affect a new outcome to FeMC's journey, so that she can survive and be recruited to help save Minato/Makoto. From there, I could see a hypothetical P5 Arena where Elizabeth gathers EVERYONE to attempt another change of heart on humanity. I definitely don't think the FeMC is necessary to this theory, but it just feels nice coming full circle and including her, especially after PQ2. The Answer would still be nice to have, as I can imagine SEES' experience causing them to initially oppose the idea, and maybe trying to stop the Phantom Thieves.
People really out here opposing the idea of the p3 protag getting the chance to possibly come back fully looking over the fact they did that with akechi with little to no explanation as to how he did so. And to those who believe so I humbly ask of you to take of the rose tinted glasses and accept the possibility, this has been mentioned for years in later games like arena and ultimax and even persona 4 golden it would be weird for it not to end up like that since it’s been hinted at over and over again.
I'm glad I'm not the only one, who thinks this is more than a remake and that they are bluffing in the interview so to not spoil the surprise. They totally had intentions with bringing back Tara Platt when they had a stellar replacement in Allegra Clark. If it was ANYONE else returning to their role it wouldn't be as important but it's ELIZABETH.
I myself has suspicions she would return but mainly Tara just really had a lot of fun with her which the anime impulse interview made me feel like she would do Elizabeth in a heartebeat because she really treasured that role compared to mitsuru where she got her role down
If they’re lying they should just not say they’re remaking it. They should just lie through omission, rather than tricking the entire audience with a surprise they destroys the theme of the whole game. They replaced Mitsuru cuz she’s a child. Elizabeth isn’t.
Another coincidence on top of this is that Makoto and in turn his ultimate persona "Messiah" is clearly heavy representative of Jesus and with the crosses and how he's sealed on the door it's clearly heavily Christian based and now you got the 3RD Persona game coming back after the original Persona 3, and how many days did it take Jesus to come back? 3 Days. [Original P3 Happens (0)] P4 (1)->P5(2)->P3 Reload (3)
MAN EVER SINCE I HEARD JIN SAY THAT LINE I WAS LIKE "???????? HOLD UP". Finally had some time to check your follow up video out! Bro if you're right I'm gonna be so hyped. Great video once again dude!
I love it and I want to believe, but Atlus has confirmed its sticking fatefully to the original story. I Don't think this is like Final Fantasy 7 Remake. I feel like it's more likely that Elizabeth is telling the story, perhaps misremembering on a more modern setting. after all the velvet room "exists between dream and reality, mind and matter" Time is meaningless in the velvet room even for its attendants
I don’t mind if they change the ending. As long as is well structured and well done. I hope they do it like the Eva movies and start building upon it since the very beginning. I don’t think it will happen but still
Personally I will by stoked if we actually get alternate ending, or some years down the line ending or whatever/however ending where Minato gets to survive (most likely via Elizabeth) and we can see them with our love interest happy and chilling, I dont believe it will "cheapen" the original as that is still there and especially if they are going in a different direction I think it will be welcome as a play on the new themes and such. Honestly, CANT WAIT for this. Beyond hyped, the only thing that I am still salty about is Tara Platt not being Mitsuru :( I dont think anyone can do her voice like she can, im also not really sold on her new design and portrait fully, I still think it doesnt capture the character all that well, but that goes for few of the other characters too. Love your theory, hope its true, Minato deserves to live :) Elizabeth would be an absolute madlad if that turned out to be true, its someting I always hoped for and something I would love to see, I will genuinely cry if there isnt something akin to this, I have wept like crazy during my first play of Persona 3 and sniffled every time after that, I need to see my Minato and Mitsuru finally get a happy ending (Or Elizabeth tbh, if their relationship will be shipped as of romantic nature, maybe I will succumb to Tara Platt again :D) I honestly dont want to believe in it, because than I will be very dissapointed if nothing happens, but part of me cant help and imagine that they wouldnt be doing all this if they didnt actually have a new part of the story to add, or a whole new story or a point of of it to tell, so yea, im on board. But I will blame you if it turns out to be incorrect .D
I want to believe. I really, really want to believe. There's NO REASON for it to be a remake of JUST the male protagonist's story if the story ISN'T about him getting saved by Elizabeth. It's literally the only plot thread that is left! We know that she's smart. We know she's determined. Liz has also seen what Lavenza can do. She LEFT THE VELVET ROOM to undergo her mission to save the protagonist from his fate. She's been trying for YEARS to do this, and Elizabeth is NOT the kind of lady to ever give up. She's got all the time in the world and all of the most blind dumb tenacity to pull it off. But the seal can't be broken, so I bet she takes the protagonists' place or uses some kind of meta knowledge to create a causality loop to lock the seal without it having to be with a soul.
Persona 3’s messaging goes against the idea of time travel. It talks about the grandfather’s attempts to create a Time Machine as bad, and they explicitly say that going back in time in The Answer is the wrong choice since they must accept the past. The final battle also ended with “the seal” too. So how he dies will have to be changed to if Elizabeth wants to prevent the sealing. I’m not sure how I feel about them changing the ending in this way. The ending is iconic. If something else happens to relieve him of his fate as the seal, it would undermine Igor’s contract of “you must accept responsibility for your actions” too. And how they’d get around this is suspect. Ppl say Elizabeth should take over, but a non living entity that “presides over power” still undermines that idea, since Elizabeth was never human and was never going to die anyway. If they do choose this route, I’d be disappointed. The game has already disappointed me already so I guess it’s not a big deal? Lol
sadly current information doesn't point to these themes/theories getting any explicit focus or resolution, but it's really cool to think about all of this and its implications. looking at the DLC lineup doesn't seem to leave any room for a story DLC other than The Answer, although it's theoretically possible (but unlikely imo) that The Answer will have additions to its story. we might one day get the resolution to Elizabeth's quest and story, but not this soon sadly. ...it does seem interesting, the news of multiple Persona spin-offs coming that focus primarily on 3-5 (but still featuring characters from 1-2) according to a reputable and reliable leaker. thoughts of another fighting game in the style of P4AU come to mind, and the possibility of resolution or continuation of Elizabeth's story... one can hope for good things to come!
I am 1000% convinced that we're getting some timey-wimey shenanigans in this game. I'm even wondering if the OG English cast (except for Junpei, for IRL reasons) will reprise their roles as adults in "the future"/present day as a continuation of P4A/P4AU's timeline and as a contrast to the new "young SEES" cast. Maybe you'll have a better insight into this: how much negative backlash would there be in Japan if they recast the voice actors? I have read that it's essentially expected to keep the same cast in an anime/game remake, but i don't know if it would cause *such* a negative backlash in Japan that ATLUS would rather only recast in English. Even if they're doing some timeline meddling that would (IMO) justify having a new cast for their "younger selves," they obviously don't want to alienate their Japanese audience before the game even comes out.
This is what I've been saying! I do think this is a FF7R styled "Sequel-Remake" where it will begin to deviate and acknowledge the original game's events.
@@joaolima7131While your technically not wrong their is very good chance they are telling the truth. However doesn't mean companies wont lie to the fans since many companies have done it before. Personally I will wait and see what happens.
Great video. I hope they don't push too hard on the Ryoji and Makoto stuff because I've never personally cared for Ryoji. He's kind of a throwaway character in the original game and is pretty obnoxious. Maybe they can dial it back a bit and I'll appreciate him more
I said it before but if atlus can pull off a Final Fantasy 7 remake trilogy(remains to be seen) and EVA movie “reboot” with p3 reload I would be happy and I think the industry need to look at atlus different in how to remake a video game similar to capcom with re2/4 remake but if the ending is still the same as OG p3 I would be happy too.
My hopinm hint at an alt ending was in a previous trailer where Junpei said something like “let’s make this school year a happy one” or something similar to it.
This theory is creative but they are probably not doing it, P3 Reloaded is more of a faithful Remake like RE4 than FFVII Remake, and personally I WOULD ABSOLUTELY HATE any changes to this game's ending, if they did so it would ruin the whole message it is trying to convey for the sake of fanservice. At best, make an epilogue where Elizabeth releases Makoto's soul from the door and he can rest in peace.
id imagine they would do something similar to Royal s third semester. We ll get two endings with the choice everyone in SEES struggled with in Answer: try to change things and free Makoto (Elizabeth sacrifices herself in Makoto s place as is part of the theory.), keep things as is (the cast says goodbye to Makoto both glad they got to spend one last moment with each other as he fades back into the seal, Elizabeth accepts his death like the others in the Answer.) except unlike third semester both choices are portrayed as valid endings.
I can imagine another epilogue, which is the lead up to Arena. Aigis, wearing a formal suit, is given news of the hijacked plane where Mitsuru and Labrys' cargo was in. While preparing herself, she looks back on the MP3 player and evoker Makoto left behind, even promising she will return as promised.
@@agent3689 considering Reload adds elements from their mainline versions, anime, source material and drama CDs, thought of a direct link to Arena will help in some extent. Keep in mind even though SEES ended the dark hour, there's still lots of remnants of the Shadow research, which in turn dragged an unrelated generation/team of Persona users into another battle.
Interesting theory, but I kinda hope we don't get some iteration of FF7R with this. The ending being alterted like this I feel might cheapen the game's most important themes and take away from any lasting effect it may have on new fans as the original did to old fans, also likely annoying fans of the original who appreciated its storytelling and themeatic consistency. Imagine Silent Hill 2 remake bringing Mary back and her and James living happily ever after? I love happy endings in games, I loved them in P4 and P5 too, but sometimes the best ending is the one which is most appropriate for that game's story, and I don't think anything other than something which really hammers home the games core themes, such as its original ending, would have any real lasting appeal. Heck, even in P5, the uber happy ending is the bad ending.
Purists might complain the changes in story and Strega specifically, ruin the core meaning of P3 or something. Me, I'm like "these changes only mean something like an alternate universe" and as much as I hate multiverse confusion (which is the biggest reason I never could enjoy Marvel), I have not as much as an attachment to the original as I had with P4 and P5(R) sub-sequentially. However, whatever changes in this remake also would extend to some degree to a possible P4 remake since there are some connection between those two games. Now, what I wish specifically would be Chidori surviving (possible joining SEES too, towards the end) for certain. After all, in the original she just dies while FES leaves it kinda open that she might have survived somehow and got together with Junpei. This remake on the other hand is based on the original more. I also just want the MC to have a better outcome and stay together with Elizabeth and Aigis. I wonder though that maybe dlc will come and re-introduce the FES and Answer elements to some extent. Maybe it even comes down to not Aigis being unable to let go of the MC but Elisabeths meddling that causes the anomaly. Enough theorizing or rather wishful thinking with nothing backing it up now but is it just me or is the MC much taller in this one? He always seemed more on the shorter side of height to me. Well, as curious as I may be, my budget won't allow me to get it and I'm also not really sure if I want to get it instead of just watching some lp or so for this remake, anyway.
I was wondering why there wasn't an explicit comparison between P3 and Evangelion, but I suppose it turns out it's somewhat hidden in videos such as yours. A lot of the stylistic choices in P3R are rather blatant references of Eva, even during the first full moon (when Thanatos squeezed the severed Shadow's hands? Yea, that's definitely not an Unit-01 berserk scene reference). I'm fully expecting The Answer (End of Evangelion) to come out in Reload, but not in the same way as FES just like Eva 3.0, and we'll see something that serves as the resolution similar to Eva 4.0 (maybe called The Finale (?)). I just hope we don't have to wait 9 years to finally play it.
To be fair I don't think Aegis mived on either she just was going in a more indirect route of making it so Erebus doesn't exist while Elizabeth is looking on how to permanently kill it
If I had a nickel for each time a silvery white-haired character obsessed with the protagonist wanted to create a new timeline I'd have two nickels, which isn't much but it's weird that it's happening twice
Do you have any strong opinion regarding The Answer as the ending to the story ? As a big Answer enjoyer who would really like for it to be implemented eventually, I can't say I very much like the idea of changing the story. Nothing against alternate "bad" endings, but I would really dislike it if saving the MC was a thing and became the true ending somehow.
About the Velvet song I don't think that hint anything because if I remember correct Margaret said that she love to sing that song along with her brother and sister when they were young.
if we get some NGE type retellings w P3R that will validate no FEMC / Answer to me bc they wouldnt make sense w new endings / notable changes a la Evangelion movies. if Liz knows everything that will happen in this story i will pop the fuck off when she reveals shes tryna change his fate. even if she just cant the tara platt recast alone makes me "‼️" ... i dont think thats a super tinfoil idea ngl 👁️
I don't know whether anyone brought this up after your theory but this video had me thinking about the release date 0202. Upon my research, it seems to be an angel number that symbolizes new beginnings or a fresh start. I wonder if that was another hint throw at us supporting your theory.
After trailers Persona 5 Royal, where they deliberately mixed all the scenes with different phrases to confuse, I definitely wouldnt trust trailers of Persona 3)
I am glad Elizabeth’s VA is the same. Can’t imagine anyone else conveying her character as well. I bet the secret boss in Reload is going to be a piece of cake unlike the original. That will make me slightly disappointed since Atlus is making the Persona series more accessible from a difficulty standpoint. I will be positively surprised if they retain the secret boss difficulty, where you get hit by a truck and must fight alone.
she did say she wanted to help the hero escape that fate maybe she can't help her version of the hero but helping another version of him would ease her soul and find her fools nding journey but that would create sometime of slip up shenanigans but its strange why have tara platt return as elizabeth even if its remake and for yuri too as death sure a cameo but still lol maybe im thinking too much
Oh god, I hope Atlus doesn't pull another Atlus. The story is perfect as is. They can add scenes of bonding to reinforce the relationships between characters, but the second Minato's or any other character's death is undone, the game is pretty much ruined. What is it with fans hoping for the devs to blatantly disregard the themes of the game and make changes? Even if the *epilogue* with Elizabeth has us battling against her to change things back to the status quo, it'll only serve to greatly lessen the impact of the original moment. More and new ≠ good.
Sorry, still not sold. In fact, I would hate it if this came true. Genuinely, I would consider it non-canon if anything resembling this happens. The entire game can be amazing, but if they do something like you suggested, it would ruin it. You said in the original theory video that you believe this direction can be handled without breaking the story; for *me*, it cannot. The original ending was the pinnacle of the protagonist's journey; it needs to be kept intact without any interference. And I hate that stupid Final Fantasy game for setting this precedent that a remake will have new stuff. It shouldn't, especially not when the game being remade in question is Persona 3. Edit: Honestly, watching this in the first place has actively worsened my mood. I just want Reload to be an authentic delivery of that experience we lived through when we'd first played Persona 3. Why do conspiracy theorists like you want it to twist what we remember the most?
