You know what’s crazy?A lot of those ratings they getting are bars,gyms,businesses showing the games,buffaloe wild wings places like that lol imagine if they didn’t show the games it’d be way worse 😂
100%, but also gonna say rest of the world. I have lived in the other parts of the world, including Japan - where I live right now, and basketball here is much better. Maybe not talent, but playing cohesive and team basketball on both sides is much better.
The entire Heat was not focused on stopping Jason Terry like the Mavs were with Lebron. MJ never even had to go up against that kind of defense because it was banned. Context matters. And this is just one playoff series that’s all you people have to criticize Lebron😂🤣
@@skap_attackPlease make a video about And1 mixtape. This so-called "talent" we're seeing today already existed in the 90s, yet none of those And1 players made it to the NBA except for Raefer Alston. TikTok kids are clueless
Lol, how many plumbers were 7 feet tall, and could handle the ball, and shoot 40% from three. The worst nba team today would three point the 90's team to death
@@vicepresidentmikepence889plumbers probably work harder than entitles instagram celebrities. I don’t think there are very many entitled plumbers out there.
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@@vicepresidentmikepence889 that’s because basketball didn’t need to gamble on 3’s. The best basketball strategy has always been to get as close to the rim as possible for the best chance at getting the ball in the basket. I get that the extra point makes a difference and is worth missing 60% of your shots, but back then, basketball players had skills and strength to find the better shots. Not to mention, most teams had a 3-point sniper so it’s not like nobody was looking for those shots. I watch full games from the 60s on RU-vid. There’s no reason you can’t see what the 90s were all about before making asinine comments.
@@skap_attack How's Kobe and Duncan only rank 6 and 7 in your book? In mine they both are top 3. I know Kareem is magnificent, but you must not forget that he had magic Johnson for 5 of his championships, and Oscar Robertson for one. Not saying it to take away from the fact that he probably was the greatst "Big" go to guy to ever exist down the strech(Duncan was one too) and the greatest scoring center in NBA history, but still- he had like 3 top 75 players for a bunch of his rings around him. Kobe made 3 straight finals with Pau gasol, out west and won 2x championships. With Shaq , he was the go to guy down the strech and he won 3 out of the top 5 hardest Rings in NBA history, making the way for shaq to shine in the finals through the west. While also being *THE BEST DEFENSIVE PLAYER* in all of his teams during their finals runs. He has a better finals than Kareem's : 5/7>6/10 And so does Duncan (5/6) The same Duncan who won 3 championships in the 2000's and beat the beat The Heat's super team for his fifth ring , at age 35! At age 35 he Cooked Chris Bosh and led his Spurs tean to put the Heat in A BLOODBATH!! look, Kareem is great, and absolutely exceptional at what he does . But at the very least you gotta admit that Kobe and Duncan have more than a valid case to being even greater than him! So how do you put 4-5 guys above them? Magic himself admits Kobe is the greatest laker of all time! And other than Larry bird, I don't really think there's anyone that even has a case against them. Hakeem won only 2 rings, and there's no chance you rank willt and Shaq above Kobe nore Duncan cause they both outshined him in the 2000's. So what's going on? Do you really rank the great Duncan and Kobe THAT LOW?! Or r you just afraid you're gonna trigger some Kobe "supporters" that are being objective by leaving him out of the top 5?. Another note: Bill Russell had 11 HOF at some point in his Boston team that won the Eleven championships
@@teamcaveman Bruce Bowen's top 5: 1. Michael Jordan 2. Kobe Bryant 3. Bill Russell 4. Magic Johnson 5. Tim Duncan The only thing he's objective about is saying that Duncan isn't as great as Kobe ...
Gary Payton had his best scoring seasons once the 2000s hit Shaq, the most dominant player of our generation, was getting swept out the playoffs until the 2000s hit What are we doing man
Old ass Tim Duncan had a 60+ win season and was winning championships beating the snot out of Lebron's super team at 37 years old. Lebron at 37 was on a banana boat with his friends because he missed the playoffs in the era of the play in Tournament. Get this guy outa here!
You mean until he teamed up with Kobe? Lol Jordan was getting swept until magic and bird retired and expansion broke up the pistons then they got him 2 lottery drafted players and got a rebounding champ and dpoy to stack his team against the rest of the league, not to mention instituting the flagrant foul rule because the league was too physical for him so they had to put in rules to make him success
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I think it was in 2005, in the NBA Finals, where Tim Duncan, probably the GOAT power forward shot probably about 41% from the field going up against the Detroit Pistons being guarded by both Rasheed Wallace and Ben Wallace. I bring that up not to trash Duncan, but rather to point out that it's a testament to how much players were allowed to defend, before so much leverage shifted towards offense. Before the modern set of rule changes, even GOAT level players on offense could struggle against great defenses (MJ shot under 42% in the finals against the Sonics, which won 64 games that season, and was the second best defense in the NBA behind the Bulls). Neither Duncan or MJ lost credibility because of their "inefficient" games, if anything they gained credibility, because it was seen that for them to come up on top, they had to win a WAR of a series. LeBron has benefited from an era where he gets to shove and body people around, and if they show any resistance he gets fouled. He can't be hand checked, he can't have players in his space...and the few times he meets his match in terms of people like Aaron Gordon, Kawhi or Iguodala, who can't easily be shoved around, he has to run a bunch of P&R to get them off him so he could have a favorable matchup, rather than doing what greats like MJ and Kobe had to do, which was to use their fundamentals, bag of skills and other teammates to conquer a great defensive matchup or player. Instead the NBA just makes rules to make it harder for the defense to do anything smh.
Great points. When refs have allowed 90s style physicality, the efficiency and performance of these so called more skilled players drops significantly.
Well that pistons team was an all-time great defensive team, the also hold the record for modern day team for consecutive teams kept under 70 pts or 75pts or something.. that was a fun team
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@@skap_attack Thank you for that stat on Bowen: 500 straight games played with 3 rings 🤯 As a Lakers fan, he was always up to the task in that loaded Western Conference, the men’s league 😤
When Jason Kidd was making all star teams in the 90s Jordan was winning rings. That same Jason Kidd started for the 2011 mavericks that beat Lebron’s superteam heat squad when Kidd was a washed up fossil in 2011. Also they say Jordan beat weak competition in the finals but the Utah jazz team that jordan faced in back to back finals beat the likes of Shaq and Kobe lakers, Duncan and Robinson spurs and Hakeem drexler Barkley rockets. So Jordan’s competition beat a Tim Duncan lead team and Tim Duncan is 2-1 vs Lebron in the finals and as an old player Duncan lead his spurs team to beat Lebron’s superheat team squad in record fashion largest margin in terms of point differential in finals history. Lmao these Lebron Stan’s bashing the 90s only make Lebron look worse 😂
@@ozzee5094 that's about the response I expected from someone who knows nothing about ball... Good on you troll! Nothing to ever add, just says LeBron name out of pure jealousy, embarrassing yourself with every comment mentioning the same man's name who controls your life.. pretty sad
You need to read the Nobody Touches Jordan blog. It goes into insane detail about why players were better until the 1999-2004 rule changes. EVERYTHING is sourced and all statistics are cited. It even goes into Bruce Bowen at one point.
I bet if LeBronze won chips in those years no one would say they don't count because he was "too young". Gotta love how the goalpost is always moving for the Fraud King.
Well, no shit Sherlock! That happens with everyone. Players need time to develop and get in their prime, so if they don’t win early on in their careers it’s not talked about that much because it’s considered normal. But if someone so young is actually able to win, he receives his deserved praises. That applies to every player in the league, not just lebron, use your brain for once.
Nobody is perfect, but Michael Jordan is as close to perfection of a basketball player as any human being who has EVER touched a basketball. LeBron James on the other hand…. LeBron James…..well LeBron James air-balled free-throws as a Cleveland Cavaliers player, LeBron James air-balled free-throws as a Miami Heat player, LeBron James air-balled free-throws when LeBron WENT BACK TO CLEVELAND to be a Cleveland Cavaliers player, and finally and dreadfully, LeBron James air-balled free-throws as a Los Angeles Lakers player. It’s all on RU-vid. They say that the pressure never got to LeBron James or that LeBron James never caved-in under pressure…then WTF to do you call this choke-job all the way from the beginning of LeBron Jame’s career to the end of LeBron James’ career. Michael Jordan NEVER AIR-BALLED A SINGLE FREE-THROW SHOT from the foul-line as a Washington Wizards player, Michael Jordan NEVER AIR-BALLED A SINGLE FREE-THROW SHOT from the foul-line as a Chicago Bulls player, Michael Jordan NEVER AIR-BALLED A SINGLE FREE-THROW SHOT from the foul-line as a University of North Carolina TarHeels player, and Michael Jordan NEVER AIR-BALLED A SINGLE FREE-THROW SHOT from the foul-line as a North Carlina Laney High School player. The Goat debate is a complete fabrication and of all the basketball players throughout the annals of time, to FORCE INTO A GOAT DEBATE with Michael freakin’ Jordan,uh little LeAirball James is not the one. I’m sorry, but sizing up LeBrick James against Michael “Air” Jordan is not going to work and it never will.
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@@taydakiss6396That is true, but were the teams anywhere near Evan? Larry Bird had a much better team around him. And Larry Bird was one of the best players in the game. Michael Jordan, I played Larry Bird. Larry Bird had stars around him though. I could compare that. To why did Lebron James get swept by the spurs, but but instead of it being dispersed. Sometimes with that to picture me. The waregards with Kevin Durant and all that that is equal comharrison's of the type of team. Michael Jordan was going up against. Early in his career without anyone around him
@@taydakiss6396 YES! Michael Jordan beat Larry Bird 11 times. THE GOAT’s record against Larry Bird was 11-17 for Michael Jordan’s career, so Larry Bird beat Michael Jordan 6 more times than MJ beat Bird. Anymore questions from those in the back? Larry Bird averaged 34 points against Michael Jordan, and Jordan averaged 37 points against Bird, so Michael Jordan averaged 3 more points against Bird & Bird averaged 3 less points against Jordan…..any more questions? 🤷♂️😅
@@thefunguy5069Giannis and Doncic could be successful in any era! Giannis is strong and athletic and Doncic is very talented and smart!!! Jokic is very smart as well! Denver plays a bit like old school and that's what separates them from others now! I think the game is great and now but comparing Jordan with other players is an other story!😄
Great video, i just turned 20 and grew up watching the lebron cupcake era. I’m actually a warriors fan as well and love curry. But I can still say the 80s 90s and early 2000s is the best era with the most entertaining games.
People gotta watch "The Redeem Team" documentary. Shows how pathetic today's NBA really became with LeBron around but when Kobe showed up he is the exact example what's missing in today's league and Era.
Nahhh... LeBalco wouldn't even attempt to guard him. He'll probably try to guard Kerr or Harper and send someone else to guard Jordan and Pip. He could try to guard Rodman, but he'll switch to Harper or Kerr once he got a taste of Rodman's shenanigans. On the other side of the court, Rodman will lock him down and make fun of him while doing so, and he'll stop playing by the third quarter, saying he injured his ankle or something.
@@codyeble6764Lebron cant shoot has no handles no footwork, and turned the ball over more than anyone in history. All he can do is head down adn bulldozer to the rim.
@@borisfrlic all-time leading scorer, most years averaging 25ppg, if he finishes this season how he is now he'll be the first player averaging 25 and 8 assists shooting 50 percent from the field and 40 from 3... Also top 5 in assists all time.. sure sounds like more than just a bulldozer.. sounds like an all around basketball player... Not just a scorer.. Draymond does everything but score because he has players around him to do that lol this is common sense
@@codyeble6764More dumbass cumulative stats no one cares. Shooting from the field? lol you mean layups and dunks. Check his shooting outside 5 ft? its tragic. He cant shoot.
First of all, great work! Great evidence in using Bruce Bowen here (I could put in John Starks and Mario Elie too), and strengthening my point of what's missing in NBA. It's about going out to do what they wouldn't want to do to earn that NBA contract, and that is playing in overseas, CBA, or starting from junior college and still not getting exposed after 4 years of college - learning it the hard way around. Everything at that time was hard earned money, even in the sports world, when the average contract was probably at 3-5 million per year. The players right now just seem like they want their spotlight, multi-million dollar contract, and chance to play in NBA as soon as they can, and they get into the league under-developed. It's most likely product of social media and lack of valuing mentorship, education, experience from coaches alike. Bruce Bowen knows what it takes to be the best player and know what hard work looks like.
2 seed in the east with 1-2 other teams over 500% throughout his entire career in the eastern conference. This is why he made it 8 times in a row to the finals no competition with a stacked team.
@@Ninjersey1 assists don’t make you an effective passer, he had a usage rate of 32% that finals. And it’s a pretty small sample size considering there were only 5 games lol
Honestly, this really speaks to how the game changes and how different skill sets are needed for different eras. The “best” era is the era that has the skill set you value more. To me, that’s the 80s. For others it is the versatility of the 00s. And for others it is the modern 3 and length skills. What I can’t stand in modern discourse is this idea that people now are more skilled and athletic as if that can’t be argued. The nba has been full of athletic freaks since the late 60s- people are far too blinded by bias to see that.
The average player now is better and more athletic than the average player of the 70s. Obviously, you’re going to have a few outliers like the Wilts or Dr. J’s, but overall, the average player now is more athletic and skilled than the average player in the 70s or any era before this.
@@bonjourphoenix7487 basically teams are deeper, you still have your stars but when you get down to the 4th, 5th, 8th guys... Today those guys have more skills than back in the day
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Very well done video. Way to give Bruce his props. I forgot how productive and effective he was.. It's not that hard to understand why previous generations were better. Less entitlement, less money, less technology raising kids, growing up with tougher coaches, different rules in the NBA, etc. etc.
Great vid. Thanks for bringing Bruce Bowen to the forefront. Here's an example of hard work and not quitting. Like John Starks before him, Bowen went undrafted. He was a tough defender with quick hands and feet, and really made his career when he developed a very good 3-point shot (39% for career). Kobe always respected Bowen as one of his toughest matchups. Bowen would get physical, almost dirty with a lot of players, but he respected Kobe and never trash-talked him. They both just competed like the warriors they were. Notice that Bowen didn't mention LeFlop in his top 5. Why? Cuz he locked LeFake down in the 07 finals (LeChoke for the series: 22/7/6.8, only 35% FG, horrible 20% from 3 (including bricking the potential game-tying 3 in game #3), and 6 TO's per game!
@@sssamui286 Steph curry. Lebron shot 6-26 (23.1%) when he was guarded by Steph in their 4 finals match up. And we’ve just seen Steph take lebron’s cookies in his 28th career win over lebron.
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@@skap_attack FACTS. And cool thing is skap I got to see Kobe at his absoutle best vs my Spurs from '99-'2013 we met them 7 time's in the playoffs more than any other team out west. So I knew those Lakers inside and out.
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@@oronasundial Kobe or Duncan could have had 8 or 9 rings if the other didn’t exist. Two top 6-7 all time players in one conference over the exact same period of time.
@@skap_attack Absolutely true. Hardest era was the 2000s where every team out west just about where 50 plus win team's. And Spurs and Lakers dominated that era.
I'm your 38th like, very good read on your points, you just left out the air ball failed dunk that Skap reminds us of every other video & we love it 😂😂😂
I remember in 2006 when Bowen was part of the pool of players to be selected to participate in 2006 FIBA World Championships and he was the only one who called out LeBron for acting like a Primadonna with the staff and coaches. Coach K really thought highly of him and said he deserved a spot but the USA Basketball had other plans and listened to the crybaby because Bruce scolded BronBron. Bruce was 35 that time but he could've help USA but instead he was focused in the 2007 season and faced LeBum in the finals and punished him. The LeGM already started on that 2006 by asking Colangelo to cut Bowen.
You should talk about how underrated the NFL was in the 2000s, considering Mahomes stans are disrespecting Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Brees and other legends from that era.
Great vid bruh. I didn't know bowen came in in 93. I thought 97. But it def shows the difference in eras. Bruh, u should definitely touch on what pierce said about lebron and the lakers yesterday. It's something I've been yelling for the longest
We shouldn't really be bashing any era of basketball really. I personally believe 2000 to 2009 was a true golden age of the sport in terms of team play, both offensively and defensively, competition level was the best, as well as star talent and distribution across the league.
The core players from the 8 teams that eliminated Lefraud from the playoffs are all drafted from the 90s. Billups, Hamilton, Rasheed, Duncan, Ginobili, Garnett, Pierce, Allen, Kidd, Terry, Nowitzki. He lost 6 out 10 NBA Finals. In those 6 loses, 4 of those teams’ primary core players are from the 90s. Which means: more than half or 67% of the time, he was eliminated by a team with a 90s core group. We done with the 90s, right? LOL 1. Eliminated in 2006: Detroit Pistons (10 players from the 90s era) 2. Eliminated in 2007: San Antonio Spurs (9 players from the 90s era) 3. Eliminated in 2008: Boston Celtics (9 players from the 90s era) 4. Eliminated in 2009: Orlando Magic (5 players from the 90s era) 5. Eliminated in 2010: Boston Celtics (4 core players from the 90s era) 6. Eliminated in 2011: Dallas Mavericks (6 players, 4 core players from the 90s era) 7. Eliminated in 2013: San Antonio Spurs (3 core players from the 90s era) 8. Eliminated in 2014: San Antonio Spurs (2 core players from the 90s era)
As a lifelong spurs fan, I was surprised to hear Bowen's name. Yeah he was a great defensive player when he wasn't being dirty as hell and kicking Wally Szczerbiak in the face! 😂
As a Spurs fan I really miss those early 2000’s teams and battles against that Lakers squad. If we had prime Manu during that era I think we could have faired far better in 00-02 as Kobe and Shaq were just too much to overcome. We could fight Shaq to a draw with Tim but there was nobody who could hold Kobe especially if we doubled Shaq. Bowen and Elliot made it hard on Kobe but they didn’t have an offensive game close to matching Kobe’s. Man I miss those games, competitive and the teams didn’t like each other. A real rivalry.
I think Bowen briefly played for the Celtics in the 1997 or early 1998 season before the Heat though. I not sure with the timing but I think he played on the Chauncy Billips & Ron Mercer Celtics team under Rick Pitino around that time that beat MJ's Bulls in like the season opener or something.
The 90s: when players were competitive, aggressive, played defense, didn’t build super teams, and genuinely wanted to win a title & not an easy cash grab
Fr. This guy and his fan base are so weird. They’re in love with MJ and love to hate on Bron. Most of their points are that he’s a crybaby and flops. It doesn’t take away from the fact he’s one of the greatest ever
I remember that the Spurs were very dominant, I did like their rivalry with the Dallas Mavericks and definitely The Detroit Pistons in 2005. Bruce Bowen was one of the best defenders in NBA history, FACT!! I always wondered if he would have been able to lock down prime Jordan, when it came to Prime Jordan, he was so damn unstoppable. Bowen did have a little trouble taking on Kobe sometimes too, but he did manage at times.
True enough, Skap...the NBA can't hide Lebron nor his era forever. I've learned in life to let the dust settle... and it's easier to clean the mess afterward. In time, my friend.
Skap, I appreciate your content. Much like the free throw discrepancy. The Lakers are the benefit of a Cush schedule. This month, all but 2 of their games are on the road and on only one do they leave California. Currently, they played Monday against Atlanta at home and then don’t play again until Friday at home? Why the week off after playing at home? Please address this because it is transparent. Thanks.
It's amazing how this is the best time to find out FACTS as those are easily accessible everywhere, yet this is also the time with the most LIES that were made up to downgrade past eras. People always appreciated the past even if they think their times were better. 90s people appreciated 80s and past, and even 2000s appreciated 90s and 80s and so on UNTIL 2010s, so called "Lebron era" came, and his "fans" started discrediting everything past because they realized their favorite player can't be the GOAT unless the players in the past eras were dragged down and be viewed as worse than they were, even if that means making up lies to do so.
Udonis Haslem.. in 2023.. at age 43, when Given plus 20 min of playtime had statlines of 24 pts and 27 pts and one game where he had 3 3pts.. Udonis is a career .197 from 3… - this is what he can do with ample playing time and healthy in todays “ advanced era “ 🎤
I remember watching the Knicks, Heat, and Pacers in the mid/late 90s and just on the eye test thinking they'd be just as good if not better than the 08 Celtics. Any of those teams would smother today's squads. And the Bulls were basically an entire level above all of them.
