Cleo's mother stayed alive for centuries, because she had in her possession an egyptian amulet called Ankh that kept her alive, this is an official response.
I still, aswell, don't really like the book canon (and am kinda happy she wasn't brought to any movie ore series episode). But I have to addmit that that DOES sound somewhat intrestibg AND that therfor Cleos mother is still human! As she wasn't turned with the bandages. More like Harry Potter Nicolas Flamel like, with an magic artefakt.
Honestly I’m less confused about how she returned than disappointed they didn’t just do like the mummy movies’ and have them meeting her modern day reincarnation with less human sacrifice. Although that’s probably just a copyright thing considering The Mummy’s plot didn’t come from a book like most OG monsters.
@@ianthedumdum1298 No, the webisodes and movies canonically reference each other. Also the dance doll came out in 2013 while GSR came out in late 2015. The webisode, ‘Fright Dance’, was in volume 3 of the webisodes /nm
@@buriedinbooks881 i meant like even if it was from volume 3 it doesnt mean its directly connected to other webisodes in vlume 3 to the point you can just put it after gsr
I think Duece can't switch off or on his stare but can control the intensity of its power allowing him to turn someone into stone for a few hours or for a couple of years. The thing about his stare when he was younger is that he couldn't control how long it lasted that's why he turned his pet into a statue for so long
For the Deuce's power conundrum, i think it's a reference on how baby snakes have far more potent venom because they're to young to have control how much venom they secrete. Since he is a gorgon, with snake hair no less, i think him not being able to control his powers and how long the stonification last is just that, young gorgons dont have much control on how powerful their stone gaze actually is. And the stone gaze is a passive power, it's always on, but how intense it is depends on the person control over it. Just like Cyclops from the X-men
But another thing to consider is that this reference to snakes is actually false, baby snakes actually have LESS venom than adults and can actually control their venom, and therefore are less dangerous than adults,(sorry, I'm an animal nerd lol) but everything else about the passive power and it being similar to Cyclops, that part makes sense!
Technically Bloodgood is a fairy or fey creature. The headless horsemen is based off of an old legend of a headless carriage rider that would through buckets of blood at any one that saw them riding on the road. Its a super interesting myth that you should read. Though i suppose the writers would consider her a kind of undead maybe.
for some reason monster high has A distinction between phantoms and ghosts spectra Vander Geist and Johnny Spirit are ghosts but operetta scarah screams and presumably headmistress bloodgood are all solids so therefore considered "phantoms"
The Headless Horseman has its roots in Irish mythology however I think she’s a reference to the more contemporary one from the folk myths within New England that inspired Sleepy Hollow. See during the revolutionary war, the British Empire enlisted German mercenaries with the promise of land for their service (which would be fulfilled with the province of New Brunswick being divided up and farm land given to these men who would then establish a life there. These mercenaries were particularly ruthless and gained themselves a pretty scary reputation that mixed Irish folklore led to the idea of the Hessian (most of the mercenaries were called this even though they weren’t all from Hesse Germany). Since Bloodgood is probably inspired by the Hessian and not exclusively the Irish myth, she would be better classified as a ghost or a ghoul.
I always assumed dullahans in MH were monsters who could simply take off their head… not undead, not a ghost they just be able to do that and its scary lol just because i think its a bit too dark to imply bloodgood was a horseback rider who died from being beheaded lol
I think the difference between a creature and a monster is that a creature is something like a full-fledged animal, while a monster is a human-like or half creature.A dog is a creature, at the same time, a werewolf is a monster because it is a half human and half creature. or like Kalas's dad is a creature because he is about full fledge Kraken, while Kala is a monster because she is half Kraken and half human (?), and if Mrs. Bloodgood's horse was half human as well, or if the guy was a full horse, it wouldn't have been as weird. that is what I could come up with.
I think the bigger problem is the hard line Gen 3 made between “monsters” and “humans” when before they were just normies. Even the more humanoid classic monsters like the Phantom and Jekyll/Hyde are very much not normal in many ways, and this franchise having Victor Frankenstein attend MH hammers home the understanding he’s the real monster for digging up bodies and playing God. Monster movies have always been a metaphor for the outlying of society.
She's not a monster. Headmistress Bloodgood is a Fae, a fairy type creature Known as a Dullahan also called the gan ceann from Irish folklore. and while this was never outright said in the series, the headless horseman has been classified as this type of creature by many.
The Headless Horseman has its roots in Irish mythology however I think she’s a reference to the more contemporary one from the folk myths within New England that inspired Sleepy Hollow. See during the revolutionary war, the British Empire enlisted German mercenaries with the promise of land for their service (which would be fulfilled with the province of New Brunswick being divided up and farm land given to these men who would then establish a life there. These mercenaries were particularly ruthless and gained themselves a pretty scary reputation that mixed Irish folklore led to the idea of the Hessian (most of the mercenaries were called this even though they weren’t all from Hesse Germany). Since Bloodgood is probably inspired by the Hessian and not exclusively the Irish myth, she would be better classified as a ghost or a ghoul.
@@summersolstice8863 I get that. But I like to think she is a fae type monster. While small it's a little different when compared to the rest of the species in the monster high cast like with Cupid. I think she was called a Mythos monster. Although technically Cupid doesn't know the exact type of monster she is since she was left on her dad's doorstep as a baby.
I was under the impression that Cleo's uncle had a thing for her mother. Considering the time period it's possible she went along with the marriage. Maybe even in hopes of seeing her daughters again. As for how they awoke I have no idea
I believe they were found by archaeologists and that’s how they were awoken they were in a dark tomb so I assume when their body’s hit light and sounds stupid but outside temperature it awoke them somehow? And that might hint why cleo has a intrest in archaeology maybe..? IDK IM A SPITBALLER…
4:40 in the book, Dr Frankenstein grew the body parts of his monster in his lab, like a 3d printer. So there’s a possibility Frankie isn’t made out of dead people
I’m pretty sure it states in the book (which I’ve obsessed over for years) that he gathered the body parts of the dead from cemeteries and slaughterhouses, meaning he used animal parts and human parts. He never grows anything synthetic in a lab like a 3D printer. That was well beyond anything Mary Shelley would have come up with as her idea was based on galvinism, the rejuvenation of the dead through electricity. The only time synthetic body parts are mentioned is in the Hollywood original of bride of Frankenstein, which is really its own story, and there he grows a synthetic brain for the bride. But it’s pieces of the dead in the original book.
@@raingilkes3502 I agree, I haven't read the book yet, but I'm familiat with musical(2003 version that is) and some other media. And I have to say, if monster was created with synthetic parts, there would be no conflict of "going against nature abd death". As far as I know, that conflict was heavily mentioned in musical.
@@SHEESHAW100 I mean that’s possible but I read those books too and Dr. Frankenstein isn’t even a character in those, it’s just Frankie and her parents, and her parents are just the monsters. And they don’t go into the details of how the monsters were made.
3:44 I think they were trying to have Gooliope have some correlation with the 1988 Horror movie 'The Blob' In the movie there's one scene where the Priest collects a sample of the blob in a glass jar, over time he dose plan on releasing the blob sometime in the future doesn't show when the time comes. I'm probably over thinking it but that's my speculation on how Gooliope was found in the glass jar.
The cleo story makes sense if you realize 3 people shared the same bandages. Instead of her mother getting her owe set. They aren't fully wrapped. Cleo and her sister looks like they are only wrapped as an outfit and their father who is more rotted has less bandages on than them.
bro what if their dad got wrapped last and told the attendants to use as many bandages on cleo, nefera, and their mom as they could and he took the scraps
Cleo’s mother did come back to life officially in Robecca’s SDCC diary. Robecca went looking for Hexiciah in the catacombs and it turned out that Hexiciah and Cleo’s mother were both entrapped there in some sort of magical stone when going on a mission. Robecca found them and both pairs of parents reunited with their daughters.
can we talk about how Abby is stated in the original to be from the Himalayan mountains which is located in south Asia but shes Russian. she describes her yeti group on the Himalayan mountains being vaguely Russian but again this location is not in russia. In the live action reboot they hired a south asian actress so i guess there going to base her origin off where shes actually located but I hope shes still Abby like even if shes no longer Russian.
There’s actually a super easy crytozoological answer to this! There’s a hypothesized “Yeti Highway” migration route connecting the Urals to the Himalayas, covering a lot of areas famous for squatch sightings. Which makes it extra stupid half the fanbase seems to think Abbey is in any way white. Even if it wasn’t already super gross to say one of her heritages somehow cancelled out the other, there ARE Asian Russians and obviously the yeti would be living with them in cold desolate Siberia (which is not only closer to the Himalayas but full of frozen mammoths to explain where Shiver came from), not major European population centers. Sorry for rambling on an older comment, I just hate being one of the only people who likes MH solely because they’re monsters, and also disgusted by G3’s Tumblr-esque treatment of ethnicities.
In the Cleo/Ghoulia 2-pack their diaries talk about how Ghoulia was compelled to go digging in Egypt and she was the one who freed the DeNiles from their tomb.
Frankenstein was the scientist. He created the monster, he wasn't a monster themself. (Philosophical discuss able) so he created Frankie just like the monster before. From another body
@@earthing3696 Assembled a body from corpses and brought it to life... I've never read Mary Shelley's Frankenstein, but I'm pretty sure Frankenstein didn't sleep with the monster to animate it.
Freaky Fusion having Victor go to MH seems a pretty good indicator the staff fully understand he is in fact the real monster, especially how Professor Steam describes his lack of regard for life. At which point I insist again there was no reason for them to not to give him a doll (especially retroactively after they made the Skullectors of Frankie’s folks).
As a kid, I liked to imagine that the scientist implied to be Frankie's body had actually died from sickness and then was later found or dug up. Of course, there were no specifics to line anything up bc I was like 11 and I didn't know how dead bodies work, so I always believed this as canon in those years. Ahhh the memories.
Ok so my theory is that Victor Frankenstein worked with / had a close relationship with the scientist woman and when she passed she probably donated her body to science for victors research. After making Frankie’s mom and dad they continued his legacy and used her body parts to make frankie. I personally think frankie is genetically modified and not made the exact same way as her parents were because they improved the procedures. So shes not exactly just dead people stitched together shes likely made up of cloned parts, modified dna and likely mechanical body parts too hence all the electricity.
@@kingdomorange2 Dulahan’s are headless horse riders from Celtic mythology. They’re fairies that act as harbingers of death, either as the death itself or simply the one collecting souls. They’re said to cry out at night when a person is near death, and throw buckets of blood on anyone who witnesses one. As far as mythology goes, they’re corpse-like and carry whips made from human spines, but something tells me that’s a little unsuited for a doll brand.
What I want to know is related to the “monster vs creature” question. My question is: what if shapeshifters were to attend monster high? Would they be automatically be called “humans”? For example, what if Beast boy attended monster high? He’s basically a human with skin skin who can turn into animals. Would he still be classified as a ‘monster’? What about the Dazzilings from my little pony? They’re sirens, who are monsters in Greek mythology. Would they be able to attend monster high or will they be looked at as humans until they start singing or turn into their dragon forms? What about elves? Goblins, angels, demons? Where would they fit in?
I assume they all are considered monsters. Catsa is considered a monster which is odd considering witches are just humans with magical abilities but still.
there was supposed to be a greek mythology high but it got retconned. That's where dueces cousin viperina (?) was supposed to transfer from. and where cupid was before she went to monster high then travelled to ever after high.
The Monster High Wiki says this about the Jane "Each of Jane's adoptive parents are Monster High counterparts to famous fictional doctors. Dr. Moreau is a mad scientist from the 1896 horror novel "The Island of Doctor Moreau" by H.G. Wells and its adaptations. In the story, Dr. Moreau is a reclusive doctor obsessed with vivisection who owns his own jungle island in the Southern Pacific Ocean, where he has lived ever since getting chased out of London for his experiments. On the island, Moreau creates many species of "Beast-Folk" by augmenting animals to become humanoid. Doctor Boolittle is a tongue-in-cheek reference to the non-horror character of Doctor Dolittle. Dolittle is a veterinarian with the ability to speak to animals."
THANK GOD, someone actually understands the Moreau connections!!! The reasons they presumably named her Boolittle are 1) to make her talk to animals, and 2) because Wells’ works weren’t public domain at the time (likely the same reason they never gave Billy his literary and cinematic ancestors’ surname, which could’ve made for a great joke about someone assuming he’s an actual griffin.)
Idk if you plan on making a part three but if you do I think you should include how come Lagoona isn’t considered a hybrid given she’s part sea nymph and part sea monster
I’d be more concerned why half the fanbase and G3 seems to think she was ever white-coded despite her cinematic ancestors being from South America, her having a pet that exemplifies that, and Gil’s blatantly racist parents (it will never not make me angry Gen 3 acknowledged IN THE SHOW they were always an interracial couple). There’s no force field around Australia that erases your ethnicity if you come from somewhere other than the British Isles.
@@YanoLBP I mean, a sea nymph is still a mythical creature from the sea, not nearly as drastic as a mermaid banging a ghost. I’m more surprised Lagoona’s mom is an actual monster when the Creature movies are about him fixating on human women. 😅
Lovegood could be a Dullahan, since the Headless Horseman is very similar to one. They're Celtic fae/spirits with detachable heads, usually lost in battle. So closer to a ghost then a human, but can for sure pass as a normie.
In regards to the question of what the magic bandages were, I think whatever magic they had in them was a combination of a sleeping spell and a dehydration spell, hence Cleo feeling sleepy when the bandages were put on and why she and her sister have to stay moisturized even though we don't see any other mummies (as few as there are) having the problem of their skin being dry. My guess is that the bandages were applied improperly- or perhaps there just wasn't enough to go around, since Ramses looks a lot more affected than his daughters- and that's what 'went wrong' with the mummification of the DeNiles.
Cleo's mom was probably mummified since in Ancient Egypt the Pharaoh's queen got mummified when the Pharaoh got mummified. So she would most likely had the mummy wrappings like Nefra and Cleo
i honestly don’t like jane bc i thought it was weird n creepy that she stalked the other ghouls. i get that she was nervous n didn’t rlly know how to interact w others but i don’t think it’s an excuse ; it’s more of an explanation. anyway tho ! i wish they touched on her backstory more
For creature vs monster I think it's just based on intelligence. Same way people treat animals like crow vs crow, one is "wild" and one is "domesticated", people see "domesticated" animals in a way better light than their wild counterparts because they think that the domesticated crow is way smarter so people are going to be more civil towards it. When it comes to the centaur and horse flirting, again I do think that it's intelligence based....could also be the fact that some myths irl has that.
i’m pretty sure mistress blood good is a dullahan, part of Celtic mythology where she/he is a messenger who throws blood at people that are due to die, or just spies on them i’ve heard different iterations. they irish fairies so not living or a ghost if that makes sense
5:03 I thought that Frankie's mother is the bride of Frankenstein, her father is Frankenstein's monster and her grandfather is Dr. Viktor Frankenstein. (Wait... doesn't that technically make Frankie's parents sinblings?? O.o)
also how does spectra not know about the detention chains or the principal if she went to haunted high? Spectra later stated Revenent used her home as a school to give innocent ghosts her punishment "Its like nothing changed since I left!" "Well, almost nothing." "You, I don't recognize. Are you one of my students?"
For the pet thing: maybe some monsters have subspecies which are less evolved? Irl we keep monkeys in zoos/as pets, so it's probably not weird for monsters to have a gargoyle dog bc it's not the same as a humanoid one.
oh my gawd, yasss, thank you for another part, always love these videos! also mini idea you could do something similar to "using 5 words to describe" but like you use 5 to 10 words to describe every monster high movie, or every every after episode, or something of the like
I think the Head Mistress is a Dulahand. (However that is spelled) It's a type of fairy (Celtic) that carried their head and rode on a horse. They would bath anyone who saw them pass by in a bucket of blood. Or kill them later I don't know. Fairies are very dark in origin.
I think the same thing with the monster/creature/pets. Like for example we are all Animals even tho we are humans. We have pets like cats and dogs and we’re scared of bigger animals like Lions or Tigers etc
i swear theres a release in some form that explains that cleos mum and robeccas dad ended up in the catacombs, and eventually ended up getting found by bloodgood and reunited, i think it was hexiciah's sdcc diary??
if frankie and the scientist has some sort of relation aside from them looking the same, one of the only theories i had too was that her body parts were found scattered and she was re stitched together.
Theory: The normie scientist that resembled Frankie had a connection to Frankie's parents, and knowing she was going to die, donated her body to science (in other words, Frankie's future). Kind of a grim theory, and also I'm not sure how well it fits because I haven't seen Skull Shores in years.
Perhaps a creature is something that is dangerous, while a monster isn't neccessarily so. So Andy can be a monster when he's in his human like form and is friendly and nice, but a creature when he turns into a big mosnter with no control because he's very dangerous for both humans and monsters
My sister and I were looking at the Monster High descriptions, and Rochelle having a pet gargoyle was hysterical to us. It was all so confusing that it was just funny.
I'm pretty sure Headmistress Bloodgood isn't a ghost considering the Red Lady didn't capture her in Haunted along with the ghost/phantom/banshee students
I don’t know if they actually say it anywhere but I’m pretty sure the headmistress is supposed to be a dullahan. Which if I remember correctly is a type of fae. And by fae I don’t mean like tinker bell or the fairy godmother, the actual folklore of fae has more in common with demons or yokai than any of that. I’m pretty sure they wield a whip that’s literally just a human spine.
For the Duece thing, it might have something to do with snakes in real life. Younger snakes, especially baby snakes, don’t really know how much venom can kill something, thus they are more dangerous than the adult ones. Sometimes they overdo it, maybe the writers wanted little Duece to be the same 🤷♀️
how about Operetta? She's supposed to be the daughter of the Phantom of the Opera, but that means Christine is her mom. Christine is either a ghost herself (if the Phantom is a ghost here) or she's a necrophiliac. Like, what??
Tbh i dont think sanders like-fully based them on their films/books, lik you have clawdeen whos very strongly based on the wolf man and lagoona whos based on black lagoon but both characters fell for a human but both of their moms are monsters too-guess they didnt want to delve into the monsters mess of a love life Then theres frankie whos parents are the frankenstein monster and his wife but in the film-the wife was pretty terrified of the monster she would scream at him a l o t Its all jusf funny to me tbh
I forget what there called but in Irish folk lore headless horseman and carriage drivers are actual monsters that often are a sign of inpending doom. So that’s what I think head mistress bloodgood is technically. Also she would be heavily feared dispire her looking human because of this.
Yes these are in the cartoons because logic supports creativity through science labs but being rational is to alert the body about harmful incidents. The mummy bandages could be similar to plaster of paris because the references to sculpture and statues was how the modern society honed skills to become portable. The head mistress scaritage is a good point because it cant be an apparition maybe shes a gargoyle linked to the norweigan folk lore about the moons phases
I think you made interesting questions. In Monster High, there are magicians, magical people. To Frankie, they are more monster than normal humans. Can they do practically anything? Are there some that prefers to do a certain thing? Can a normal human become a magician? Can any monster learn magic? What do you think?
something else that confused me is how they said that monster high was the only all exclusive school but in Freaky fusion the three new students (that are all different monsters and fusions at that) came from the same school??? maybe all the students their were fusions but idk.
With the head mistress I think it’s a spices of monster. I can’t remember the name of the monster but there’s a very similar story of headless horse/ coach men in Scotland or Ireland. I believe they are a version of the grim reaper or omens of some ones will die soon
In the Monster High "Haunted" movie, once the ghouls turn into ghosts in the ghost worlds, they tried to hug spectra but cants Because they went tight through. but later, you can see spectra and kiyomi hugging each other without going through each other. Can someonexplain that to me?
Something that I felt didn't make sense is Holt. The relationship between him and Jackson isn't like the og book, and he's described as Heaths cousin. Does that make Jackson Heaths cousin too? If so, how do normie/human cousins of monsters work? Where did Holt come from? Why is he sharing a body with Jackson? Why does ALL music trigger a transformation? Can Jackson really not enjoy music? Is Holt a demon of some kind possessing Jackson? If so, are demons like ghosts? How many traits are shared between Holt and Jackson? How long has Holt been with Jackson, and why did neither of them notice sooner? So many questions, so little answers
G3 animated series question I have: why are witches/warlocks/wizards now suddenly a bad thing to be, when I'm 90% sure there was at least one class that they had to come up with a spell or hex? Also, Cleo is straight up using magic ALL THE TIME up until g3. Most of G1 movies *involved magic in some way*! It just seems so... *odd* to suddenly exclude magic? Also, where does the line get drawn? What about Fae, are *they* banned for existing now? Is alchemy considered magic? Why can a teen like Draculaura get a hold of magic books if it's bad enough to where she fears expulsion and excommunication? The "bc normies do it!" excuse never was enough for me tbh, bc it wouldn't be literally only humans?
I still find it funny how they became less inclusive each generation basically. And to me, Alivia is very... concerning. As: Frankie found enough orphan chunks to create a sister with? I did also find it very... questionable with Robecca. That, she was apparently mordored... and just... no-one cared?
Draculaura Has No Reflection in Mirrors But that's Not a Power Vampires Have This Affect Only Happens Cause Mirrors Back in the Day Were Made out of Silver....Silver is a Holy Metal and Cause of this It was Commonly used as a source of Protection against creatures like Demons,Werewolves,and Vampires cause they Live against the Order of The Christian God,Which Makes Me Question are All the Mirrors in the Monster world and Monster high Made Out Silver?! And Why the Hell do they Have a Material that is Known To be Used as A Weapon Against Certain Monsters in THEIR WORLD?! I know Some Monsters have Prejudice Against each other but Still!
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