Mormon Professor Confronts Church on Racism - The Lowry Nelson Story w/ Matt Harris | Ep. 1913

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In 1947, Lowry Nelson, a respected Mormon academic, challenged the LDS Church's racist policies in a series of letters to top leadership. Occurring on the cusp of the Civil Rights Movement, the First Presidency reacted by doubling down on encoding white supremacy into Mormon doctrine. Nelson wasn't ready to give up though and continued to flirt with excommunication by publishing his correspondence with the brethren in a national magazine. Explore with us the story behind these letters and the national reaction once they became public.
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@reddish22 24 дня назад

If Mormonism ever housed a single “prophet” worth following: it was Lowry Nelson.

@lilatueller 24 дня назад

Love this stuff! Something that people often neglect to include is that not only did the church baptize black people, but they also took their money while denying them the priesthood and temple rights for 150 or so years

@annedodgson8677 21 день назад

Providentially True…and we get nothing from works as Christ took care of our sins…but we all now know none of us are better than how dark skinned were treated as the major body of the LDS church will never arise to a high enough position to be given the 2nd anointing…so karma at its best

@Mabeylater293 23 дня назад

History is a pesky little thing. LEARN IT. THANKS FOR THIS VIDEO!! My fiancé is a black ex Mormon

@bodytrainer1crane730 24 дня назад

I would have LOVED to talk with Lowry Nelson. What an intelligent, interesting, prolific and courageous person.

@barbaralael5092 23 дня назад

I was in the temple in 1978 when the ban was lifted. The temple President addressed us and said he believed it wS the prayers of their dead ancestors that influenced the General Authorities. We as as LDS members never questioned anything! Now years later I see it as cruel and crazy! I left the Church years ago.

@robinmartin6829 22 дня назад

So horrid

@christianwangsgard8779 23 дня назад

I really appreciate this topic. Finding out about the churches old teachings of interracial is what caused my shelf to break while being in the Bishopric and being someone in an interracial marriage. Thank you so much Mormon Stories for highlighting this book!

@KGchannel01 24 дня назад

This bit of history teaches so much about where doctrines really come from, and the dangers of religious authority and dogma gone unchecked. And how things could go so differently if leaders listened to the divergent voices and gave them a real hearing. Lowry Nelson looks like the more prophetic one in the story, for sure! I'm very excited for the upcoming Hugh B Brown episode, even though I know what a frustrating/disappointing story that can be as well!

@Vetionarian 23 дня назад

Hey John! I'm a believing member who would call myself sem-active and I really enjoyed this episode. Thank you for putting this together! The ban on priesthood should have never been in place and racism is certainly not in line with Jesus Christ's teachings. It never was. I struggle with the racial issues that existed and still somewhat exist in church culture and I never knew about Lowry Nelson before. He was quite a pioneer of equality! He could smell the bigotry and wanted to do something about way before his counterparts. What an example!

@andreapatton1054 24 дня назад

I was born in the 80's and my father clearly said not to date outside my race and religion because it "complicates things"

@valeriebrogan1953 25 дней назад

As an older member, I clearly recollect being taught the 'actual reality' of the black people being cursed because of their 'behaviour' in the pre-existence. This was taught very specifically in seminary, Sunday school, from pulpits and so on. Was this a result of this doctrine, which was supposed to have limited circulation, being leaked into the general population of the Church?

@monyetgoblog7038 25 дней назад

@@valeriebrogan1953 was still taught in the 90s as well

@hardwork8395 25 дней назад

Correct. I remember hearing they were less-valiant or fence sitters.

@alishabee369 25 дней назад

I am 45 and remember this was taught.

@Dutchess0909 25 дней назад

European convert here from 1966. Clearly remember this.

@LisaFerguson-lw8il 24 дня назад

@@alishabee369 Have the leaders ever fully and openly apologised for their vile racism?

@williamhaddock1838 24 дня назад

You are clearly not a fan of the church John, so I love the fact that Matt will talk to anyone that wants to hear the truth, he says it like it is with no maliciousness or agenda. I am a member and not a fan of the Church but Love Christ and the Gospel. Thoroughly enjoying the series btw, good job.

@markkrispin6944 24 дня назад

So why are you still member of a racist religion?

@Ketowski 24 дня назад

Wow, I’ve learned so much about the Mormon church and its history in the country. Thank you!

@Jayjays964 24 дня назад

Matt Harris is brilliant! He knows this stuff like the back of his hand!

@guideme1503 20 дней назад

Spectacular show! No longer walking on eggshells! It’s time!

@aBrewster29 24 дня назад

Aside from the intrinsic terribleness of the ban, I am most disheartened by the degree to which leaders allowed bad fruits to accumulate and escalate before enough had the humility to consider a change. This is absolutely playing out again today on LGBTQ acceptance.

@bodytrainer1crane730 24 дня назад

@@aBrewster29 💯

@suthatheplee2777 23 дня назад

It seems they could not SEE around corners that were decades away. Would it not be interesting to know Wendy’s view about these prophets ability see down the road and around the corners of the 1950s, 60s and 70s?

@jswallet 21 день назад

I am learning so much about the church through the historical facts being presented here. This is fascinating!

@brokernathan 23 дня назад

I served my mission in Bulgaria. There is a significant Romani (Gypsy) population. We were told to not actively proselyte to them.

@Joyfulness87 21 день назад

We're you ever told why not to proselytize? The Roma are originally from India, not Africa.

@ryant6134 23 дня назад

I’m as white as can be and come from the pioneers the went to Utah. My family is 75% Irish/Scottish/Scandinavian. BUT…I have 1% DNA from subsaharan Africa. So, I would have been banned from receiving the priesthood based on the church’s teachings/policies. That’s WILD.

@Wren402 24 дня назад

I love this series. I’m already a monthly donor and series like this is why.

@jeremiahgreen5161 25 дней назад

Lowry Nelson is a hero of mine because of this. So glad you are covering it.

@user-ck4vz4jo6e 21 день назад

Loved this episode. Matt Harris is amazing!

@alishabee369 25 дней назад

No wonder my Mexican grandpa hated himself and his kids 😢 and why my white grandma was so cruel to their kids.

@halzbog1180 18 дней назад

Perfect example of false prophets and men who claim to speak for God. What an awesome podcast.

@xochitlkitty 24 дня назад

@53 min purity, purity, purity. I’m beginning to think this concept is at the root of all authoritarian organizations. I guess it’s the way to maintain Us vs. Them.

@barbaralael5092 23 дня назад

Great point!

@chrewtransformation 25 дней назад

Been loving this series!

@ginafrancis4950 24 дня назад

Another incredibly informative episode! Thank you so much!

@terryberwick760 24 дня назад

I actually posted a comment on the church's RU-vid the other day. When a man of colour bared his testimony. I asked the question of if the racism doesn't bother him. The church replied.

@WaffleSalad 24 дня назад

Really? What did they say/what vid?

@terryberwick760 24 дня назад

@@WaffleSaladHi it wasn't a video. It was a photo with a testimonial. The picture was of a coloured man with his son I believe. It was around a week ago if you scroll through their channel

@terryberwick760 24 дня назад

@@WaffleSaladmy understanding of their reply was an apology of how they got it wrong and they have been inclusive since 1978

@WaffleSalad 23 дня назад

@@terryberwick760 thank you :)

@KGchannel01 24 дня назад

I enjoyed hearing a little of the backstory of J Reuben Clark, and I would buy a warts-n-all bio by Matt Harris! Clark seems like a consequential but largely forgotten figure in Mormon history.

@rmj4978 24 дня назад

Fascinating podcast series!! ❤️❤️❤️

@natalies4375 25 дней назад

Thanks as always Matt (John)! ❤🎉👍

@dystoniaawarness3353 25 дней назад

It's really external in the community and how bad racism and racist are in Utah. So not understanding if the public didn't know how come even to this day the prevalent ignorant racism and HIGH volumes of racist in Utah?? Starange

@monyetgoblog7038 25 дней назад

@@dystoniaawarness3353 they have a trillion dollars and are racist with a smile on their face and magick underwear beneath their clothing 🤣🤣🤣

@dystoniaawarness3353 25 дней назад

@@monyetgoblog7038 Oh I know ty. My family lived it first hand in Utah. My bio back children and family were tormented. Children not only verbal n word but physically attacked. It's not getting better. I ran back to wa to protect my chidren but the damage and ptsd was done. Better now but ppl need to wake up. ty

@evanhill9890 25 дней назад

Oooh, this is the good stuff.

@bookmedia67 23 дня назад

The Nation is the oldest progressive magazine in the US, founded by abolitionists. It was very left wing. It’s quite interesting that Nelson chose that venue actually. It was certainly not just another Life magazine. I would love to learn more about progressive Mormons who stood against the far-right conservatives prevalent in the church during the 20th century. Fascinating history of dissent.

@tawneenielsen4080 25 дней назад

I love this guy!

@pseudointellectual7843 22 дня назад

The word is "brethren," not "brotherin." Brigham Young said "brotherin." BY has been called semi-literate, but anyone who touts a "doctor's" degree should know better. "brethren" has just two syllables, whereas "brotherin" has three. Disappointing.

@robinmartin6829 22 дня назад

Donny and Marie were asked this in interview 70s Donny said he didnt know why but it was scripture. He admitted in his book he didnt read Book of Mormon till at least late teens. They are all blinkered and clueless. Julie UK Osmond fan for 55 years! Church of England Christian. I think the interview was Barbara Walters. Of course the church kept the Osmonds on side.....thinking of the tithing 🤔 candidates for 2nd anointing i bet. Fabulous series as ever non Mormon fascinating 🎉

@wmjas 4 дня назад

How funny is it that the apostle who questioned white supremacy was literally named “hue be brown”?

@carriereid4234 17 дней назад

As a convert in 1978 in the UK my first question to the missionaries was 'why can't black have temple marriage?'. The answer I got was technical about the need to hold the Melchezedic priesthood. I had no idea what that meant but was told that it would change at the 'correct time'. I starting praying that the time was right.....3 weeks later it all changed. So I didn't check out in depth...but did laugh about the insanity of the pre-selection based on behaviour in the pre-existance. When applied to me, this meant I wasn't good either because I was born to a non-member family in the UK. All of the crazy doctrines I learned over-the-counter years seemed to come from the Pearl of Great Price. so I always hated/ignored that 'scripture'. I've been out since about 1997/8. If only I had access to the Internet back in 1978 I could have saved myself a lot of trouble and trauma. This series is amazing. Thank you Mormon Stories ❤

@user-mn447 24 дня назад

Could you please post the letter he reads about the “Doctrine” that they released?

@mh-db1ml 24 дня назад

Was Ruben Clark having nervous breakdowns because He knew this was all a lie? It has to be something to seriously considered!

@janemaas4225 4 дня назад

Very interesting. What I found on this presentation: the number of people who questioned doctrine were in turn scrutinized by church hierarchy. That is scary.

@rebeccahansen1786 6 часов назад

When I hear the church had concerns with the “thinking people” in the church, I’m reminded of Donald Trump saying that he loves the uneducated.

@davepowder4020 24 дня назад

So how many "anti-Mormons" are fans of Trump's Project 2025? Is the prospect of removing all anti-discrimination law something to be celebrated?

@terryberwick760 24 дня назад

I would say anti discrimination laws are still important. Some ppl need boundaries to behave appropriately sadly.

@tonelove666 24 дня назад

Dump trump

@Teajay21 День назад

What? Anti discrimination laws don't prevent criticism they prevent certain groups from being excluded due to bigotry. Why would anyone want to remove those unless they wanted license to act on their Prejudice?

@tonelove666 День назад

@@davepowder4020 dump trump

@mxnjones 6 дней назад

I have never been Mormon. One of the reasons I find the LDS church so interesting is because of the meticulous histories-both of individual families and its institutional history-they have kept since the very beginning. I wish I had this kind of history available about my own family and community, but alas… The racist history of the church is quite troubling and has led to the church’s racist present, one they might not be able to fully shed until all the faithful saints make themselves aware of this past and deal with the emotional fallout of this knowledge.

@susiekathryn8570 23 дня назад

My husband and I have left the church but our belief in God is stronger than ever. The Calvary church has taught us so much about God and the Bible. We left Mormonism, but not God.

@guzmanesi 21 день назад

In spanish. Dios bendiga a David O McKay, Hugh B Brown, Adam S. Bennion y John A Widtsoe por intentar abolir la prohibición

@active6302 16 дней назад

It's only the last 60 years or so that racism is wrong. Before that it was accepted and practised. Who says one side or the other is right?

@CatskillsGrrl 21 день назад

I’m already a monthly donor.

@icecreamheadache 19 дней назад

I appreciated learning that white members of interracial families were also barred from the temple. That made me super curious, what was the policy about whether Black members should pay tithing? Since it seems like one of the main perks of tithing is getting a temple recommend, and Black/interracial members couldn't go, so... Or was the church more than happy to take Black members' money while barring them from almost everything? (When I write it out like that, I kinda feel I know the answer. 🙄)

@guzmanesi 15 дней назад

1:04:04 in spanish Dios bendiga a su siervo el Elder John Henry Smith por entender que todos somos iguales

@carl2499 День назад

John, we're not all related to Neanderthals. You should correct this because you've been repeating it across episodes.

@keithbryner40 14 дней назад

Seed of Cain? That sounds like Serpent Seed Doctrine from the Christian Identiy movement. Yuck!

@jessicawinn8654 25 дней назад

Where do I get the help they tell me that I’m going to hell

@alishabee369 25 дней назад

Don't bother listening to them. They are projecting. ❤

@monyetgoblog7038 25 дней назад

Eternal Mormonism would be hell

@user-sl6hk8wc5j 25 дней назад

The Bible it's the only word of God from Genesis to revelation. Everyone else is a liar.

@sean9854 25 дней назад

@@user-sl6hk8wc5j Which Bible? The Protestant with 66 books, Catholic with 73, or , Ethiopian Coptic with 88?? It’s interesting that all the apocryphal works validate and are harmonious with LDS teachings..no wonder the men of the world wanted to keep them hidden

@Cassie-pt7mt 24 дня назад

No one is more racist than schools, who limit admitions of certain groups, even if they are more qualified, in favor of other "more desirable" groups. Hypocrites.

@joelweidenfeld471 24 дня назад

Pondering ignorant rash

@user-hl1yp6jr8r 24 дня назад

I believe in Jesus Christ 💓🤟 hallelujah Hallelujah 💛😇 Amen ✔️ Jesus is my Redeemer and my Savior... YESSSS!

@robertnomann6194 24 дня назад

I would love to watch some of your posts. But there is a major problem with them: they are ALL, ALWAYS sooooo freaking LONG!!! Or should I just say long winded? I swear Mormons, current AND ex, must love the sounds of you own voices! I have watched one video to the end, and I promise you it was non-succinct and/or poorly edited. How many people actually watch to the end? Not as many as you’d like I’d wager. How many people can spend 3 or 4 hours a day watching your daily posts??? And it’s not just your posts. Almost every ex-Mormon content poster has the same disease! It would almost be comical if it wasn’t just so flipping (I trying to use Mormon friendly cursing) irritating! Maybe you could post fewer vids and spend more time in prep and editing. I hope you can accept my criticism in the constructive way it’s intended. Thanks!