Mormonism's compulsive lying problem 

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no don’t switch names i can’t tell the difference

“Pulled a religion out of his hat” is the best pun I have ever heard!!!!!

My first ancestor who joined the church used to be a servant in wales and didnt know any english. She was convinced to come over to United States by a church leader and was immediately put into an arranged marriage by joseph smith. She was definitely entrapped into being a mormon wife

Church when you lie about the mountain meadow massacre to investigators: 🤪👍❤️❤️🥰🎉✝️ Church when you lie about your income to feed your starving family: 🫵🧿🫦🧿

When I lived in a Mormon area, I was told the public library frequently had to replace “No Man Knows My History” by Fawn Brodie. Mormons would check it out and fail to return it because they didn’t want this Joseph Smith bio to be read.

It's so liberating for me to just admit that I don't know anything about pretty much anything, and I no longer feel compelled to upkeep an image or juggle any cognitive dissonance. Being a Mormon is just juggling a bunch of lies. It's exhausting

But how will people have morals without religion? **Samantha and Tanner proceed to make an hour-long video about the importance of honesty.**

I grew up Mormon and eventually left after coming to terms with being a lesbian but never really did a deep dive on the endless can of worms that is the church. I've already been mad about all the trauma myself and my family endured while being members, but the more I learn the angrier I get. There have been a number of people who have asked me why x, y, and z weren't enough for me to leave before I did and the reality is that most everyday members don't know any of it. Abuse thrives in the dark.

The framing with the cat in the foreground is majestic. I'm watching as my own cat is staring into my soul imploring me to feed her early.

When I was a kid I would ask "Why Did all the "3 Whitneses "to the BOM left or got kicked out of the Church" They would just ignore me lol

Can confirm that zelph replies favorably to thoughtful critique. Said something about an offhand remark that bothered me and they responded super appropriately and thoughtfully. Exactly what sold me on them permanently and prompted me to patreon membership.

Even though this is old news to you guys, these videos are so important. Remember that someone who needs to hear this, is hearing it for the first time and still wanting it all the lies they believe to be true... Let that keep you passionate 🥰 I love you guys so much

I was in Utah last week. Shopping at the D.I., I couldn't resist taking a peek at the TEACHINGS OF THE PROPHET JOSEPH SMITH, a two-year manual for priesthood and Relief Society. Under PLURAL MARRIAGE in the index, there was one reference, that JS revealed the principle, NOTHING of his many plural wives and shenanigans.

I love the kitty staying on camera so long! I needed the cuteness as a pallet cleanser with the tough topic 🥰🐈

Tanner is so knowledgeable about church history, I’m a never mo but religious in a very Mormon area and I desire to be as intelligent about my own religious history as you are about Mormonism. I totally credit you guys with helping the start of my deconstruction/reconstruction process in 2019 (and which is ongoing!) into a questioning and willingly changing person… yall keep me humble tbh!! Keep making videos I literally wait for them every week.

14:36 Even the cat is not buying what Joseph Smith had to say, lol.

My mother/brother/myself were Mormon, I myself was on the way to becoming an elder (was at the time a deacon) in our local church. I thank the gods that my mother is a sensible human in the end of it all though... they basically asked for most of her paycheck to maintain membership, to which she laughed in the bishop's face and we never went back.

Another interesting thing to point out is that the book of Mormon says that David and Solomon's practice of taking many wives was an abomination, and God seems to have changed his mind in the doctrine and covenants, which says that I justified my servants, David and Solomon as to the practice of taking many wives. The Mormon missionaries like to tell you that God is not the author of confusion, but I'm still confused about this!

I was horrified when I found out that the ‘One True Church’ had been lying to me my whole life. And I don’t understand how Mormon apologists can spin bs making excuses for lies told by church leaders. Does the church still have the Articles of Faith? If so, what about “we believe in being honest, true, chaste ……”? I was flabbergasted when you mentioned that brethren who have had their second anointing will still go to the celestial kingdom even if they commit sins worthy of excommunication. WTF?! That makes a mockery of what I was taught about the celestial kingdom. I shouldn’t have listened to this episode- the lies told and perpetuated by the Mormon church really p**s me off.

You guys are so good. I love the earrings, Tanner! I'd love to see more of these about their lies. I remember going back to church after years of not going, and the contrast was huge. They handed me a Sunday school manual with a picture of Brigham Young on it and then inside was a picture of him and his wife. And they talked all about his wife. I looked through the book and there was nothing about his other 63ish wives. And I was shocked. Because I grew up when they actually admitted to that. I toured The Lion House in SLC And they showed us the rooms where his wives lived!! And I think they are admitting it again now, but there was years where they denied polygamy altogether. And they also denied that there was ever a rule against caffeine etc etc etc. My grandmother made me actually get my can of coke out of her trash because she wanted to 'avoid the appearance of evil.' True story. Not lying. And everyone was telling me that it must've been my ward bishop teaching no caffeine because the church never taught that! That may seem small, but the lies were rampant! When BYU got caffeinated drinks they said, 'well nobody ever asked for them.' as their reason why they had no caffeinated drinks! We asked for them in our souls! But we were told it was a sin, couldn't get in the temple if you partook, so of course we didn't ask for it! Jerks! Those guys who did a RU-vid channel The Three Mormons? Or something like that, were clearly hired to tell the church's lies! It was despicable. Anyway, carry on! You guys are great!

What I've noticed is that you're never awarded for honesty in the church. Anyone who gets high enough into it had to lie through their teeth

It boils my blood remembering how I watched the Joseph Smith First Vision video in the SLC visitor's center & how there were hardly any dry eyes in the room. He didn't die because of his testimony at ALL. How & why did I defend him all these years. Just a silly little quirk of mine I guess 🤪

I was raised in Virginia. On Sunday mornings when our parents weren’t around, we liked to watch a tele-evangelist called Ernest Angely. He used to “heal” people by speaking in tongues or talking really really fast and then concluding with a swift and powerful hand heel to the afflicted’s forehead with enough force to throw a person’s head back. To our elementary school selves that was delightful theatre! As I sat and listened to you all talk about the lying that the profit and his merry band of 12 dispense, it occurred to me that as goofball as I found Ernest Angely to be at least he was providing some entertainment value. The Mormon prophet and apostles are delivering the exact same shite, but offer no value at all. I mean it’s hands down all day the Ernest Angely hour over mormon general conference!😂

I didn't know tanner was poly! I've recently been questioning if im poly, and its a really strange think to unpack after leaving mormonism, because it never crossed my mind as something that affected me because mormonism is now so heavily monogamous due to the history of polygamy in the church which paints polyamory in a negative light and something "we only did back *then* and not now! now its sinful and bad!"

Yeah.... "They re-lied on it."

Love the Kittycat Cameos. 😊

It's funny, the compulsive lying seems to run deep in the veins of many members. Years after leaving, I'm still struggling to just be honest about little things to those I care about. So sad, I think, that I've really come to value honesty after leaving a church that really promotes it in it's doctrine.

I wish my husband would leave the church with me. I’m so done with this church😪

That's how they got me........ There's a lot more to it, but lying was part of it.

My father was told he had to have a child b/c his ancestor is Brigham Young. Like he didn't have enough descendants, he only had 70+ wives. Oh he is gay.

I don't always take spiritual wives; but when I do, I lie through my teeth about it to everyone. (I was never here.) (No. That's not gaslighting. You must be crazy for thinking it is.)

47:47 if they admit they're rich then they're admitting how unchristlike they are, and how little they've done with what they've been given, and how criminal they are.

Maybe the 12 "new" stakes were really the consolidation of 24 dwindling stakes...makes sense to me. That could definitely be happening each week/month, Mas o menos a few, of course!

I haven't looked at it for years, but there used to be a RU-vid entry of a surreptitious video taken during a missionary training class. There was an older teacher with a group of fresh faced youth. As a paraphrase, he instructed them that when a person to whom they are proteolyzing asks them an uncomfortable question, do not answer that question, but answer the question the missionary wished the prospect had asked. I remember the teacher SPECIFICALLY saying that it was called "lying for the lord". - - - - - - I have just scanned through 100s of YT videos of Mormons & missions, but cannot find that video today. Perhaps the channel has closed or it is buried under the onslaught of all the other videos.

Absolutely loved this video, amazing job! I am exMormon and I love deep diving into the true history of the church. I did want to point out that in the story of the interview with Steve Benson, after Oaks covered for Packer with the press and Benson pointed out that he had Oaks on record stating that he knew about the incident. Oaks then went back to the press and had them rescind the part where Oaks said that he had no knowledge of Packers talking to the bishop. Therefore, totally erasing the evidence of him lying and I believe the press did erase that part of the interview. If I am wrong about that part of the story, I apologize, I remember reading it somewhere. Absolutely love the videos, keep them coming!

My psychologist told me I’m incapable of lying to myself. I love that about me! Honesty is one of my most importantly values. I could handle a partner cheating on me, but I couldn’t handle them lying to me.

I learned some new things I hadn't ever heard thanks guys! Always enjoy listening!

It's so true that the so-called prophets and apostles really try to do everything they can to imply that they're having special face time with Jesus regularly...or at least have had it at least once. But when put on the spot, several of them over the years have had to admit that they've never met with the big guy. Really makes them seem a lot less impressive when you find that out, combined with realizing that most of them are only in those elevated positions of authority because of nepotism. It gets to the point where if they were at least claiming that a likeness of Jesus appeared to them in a cinnamon roll or a spaghetti sauce stain...that would actually constitute an upgrade of credentials for them to be telling other people what Jesus wants. Like Nelson's claim to know how Jesus feels about the "Mormon" nickname isn't even supported by a cinnamon roll.

"bait before switch". hahahahahaha. 🤣 aaw kitty cameo 15-ff Tanner, did you actually say, "cluster fuck" ? what a hoot, this episode "This is the way it is, it will never change"... and then it changes 🤣 The best day in that sweet fuckers life was the day in June of 1844 (the 27th), when he was justifiably shot to hell. Seriously. marcus

Love your guys' videos! I wish i could support but I am a broke college student with lots of loans so instead I always watch the ads on the videos in full, hopefully it helps! Keep it up!

Great cat, and thanks for sharing this! Ya'll are helping a lot of people!

Awesome episode! Lying for the Lord boils my blood

You two both look so nice in this episode! No lies here!

I so appreciate the research that went into this. This video was clearly a labor of love for all of us suffering right now.

Yo! My great great great grandfather was sued for child support because he kept sneaking over to the second wife he “ divorced” and got her pregnant. His older daughter testified as an eye witness. Older daughter was my great great grandmother. 🙌🏽

Love you guys thanks for another one

In the evangelical world, it’s the same stories being passed around the country. Heard the hometown pastor tell the same story every summer. I went to see my cousin in New York (all the way across the country) and the same story, same people (but being claimed as their own story) was told by the pastor at their church. I realized this was a story told on the praise network back in 2003. Bs

Thank you for covering this. There was an ex-morman woman who used to do a podcast and it seems her channel has been taken down. Also, I recently wrote John bc it seemed that the internet was "scrubbed" from this term 'lying for the lord'. This Podcaster used this term in context of their "calling made sure" but I swear she'd said "short" instead of "sure".

Thanks for doing the gods work

WAIT! Spotlight is on the Mormon church for not reporting child abuse? I want to hear more!!

Ok y'all always look slay but Tanner is SERVING today

Where can I get my hands on those stories of JS and the treasure hunting and lying to farmers? Etc

You two have a cool dynamic and manage to make it feel like we’ve been invited into your friends group for a while, I really like it!

Knowing that they lied about the Urim and Thummim was one of the early cracks in my shelf

Beautiful cat! ❤

Omgosh Samantha, when you yawned I did too, lol. Thankyou both for your good work.

I’m following the Vallow Daybell murder case and now I understand on a whole new level…..crazy

YOUR CATS NEED TO BE IN YOUR VIDEOS MORE 🥺🥹I LOVE THEM❤

Kindness reveals true beauty.☀️💕

I'm so glad to turn my screen back on to just find a beautiful kitty glaring into the camera

I try my best to not be judgmental, to keep my mind open to new ideas and perspectives-- but it's very hard for me to not inherently associate christianity with dishonesty. I've seen many different versions of "Deceivers yet true", a `principle` based on II corinthians 6:8 that usually mean "lying and deception is ok if it's to save or protect a fellow christian" but also manifests as deceptive means of proselytizing, outright lying to the public (since we live in a world of sin/nonbelievers), "milk before meat", covering abuse in the community, and hiding information about doctrine or crimes within the church. I know it's not every single christian, but there's certainly a massive culture of dishonesty and conniving within many denominations.

Instead of Freaky Friday it is Freaky Thursday. If you know, you know.

what a breath of fresh air

Great episode

Very useful, informative video, would be cool if some sources could be linked. For the historic stuff.

Joseph Smith didn't pull his religion from his hat... not his hat, specifically! Ahem!

Happy blinking kitty!!!!!! He is Zen on the Shelf

You both look so amazing in this video ❤

The first thing I did when I discovered this channel was look up _Zelph Mormonism_ 'General Zelph, Lammanite warrior. (Mormonism is even wilder than Christianity) I've learned so much watching you guys. You make a great team. Joseph Smith was really something, geeze.. what a character (con artist and sexual predator as well, yikes). If only he could see what his scam turned into two centuries later, he'd be very impressed w/himself. Americans were actually pretty well educated at that time. Most were readers. Thomas Paine was popular. Though you can see how he tried to make it sound more antiquated using _thee_ and _thou,_ etc even though people didnt speak like that any longer during the time he lived.

Were Joseph and Fanny caught having sex in a barn? Probably not. The only historical record with that detail comes from an 1872 account from William McLellin,[BIO] who claimed Joseph and Fanny were "caught in the act" of being "sealed" in a barn by Emma Smith.[BIO][50] In addition to the account being thirdhand and a recollection from many decades later, McLellin had been excommunicated for apostasy, had a personal vendetta against Joseph, and was an active participant in the Missouri mobs Courtesy of the mormonr

I only lie to myself XD ((mostly in the form of my brain being really mean to me)) But one perk of being autistic and adhd is - I just don’t lie. If I’m asked a question - I tell the truth. I really don’t have the memory to tell lies XD I’m just super honest and if I don’t want to like Say something mean I don’t lie but I will strategically wiggle around the mean thing I might want to say

The cat has heard the prayers and has graced us with its presence.

Most important part starts at 13:55 ends at 16:48

Brilliant good chaps! It does seem that the "calling and election" can be used to justify one's actions, kinda like how a retired euro-queen symbolically breaks the "Wand of Office".

Love the cat

I was raised strict LDS in a family of 7 children. IMO you have to be able to lie and be willfully ignorant to be in the church. As a preteen I found many of the teachings to be contradictory and unbelievable. But when I asked a question about the legitimacy of the doctrine and certain supernatural events that were claimed to be real I was scolded, talked down to, and ostracized. This treatment was by adults and kids my age. My parents lied to us because they were so ashamed if the did something against the church, like drinking caffeine or not wearing the holy underwear that they would LIE instead of telling the truth.

Smith just wanted to try Fanny out before he asked Emma’s permission to marry her, nothing wrong with a test ride.

This is kinda funnd. i haven't watched many videos of yours but i think you've always sat the other way around and immediately my brain said THIS IS WRONG! cool intro trick tho :D

It is SO strange to see you in swapped seats, the shock I felt when I opened the video was real LMAO

At 0:58 you're reading about ancient burial sites and Smith communicating with guardian spirits. Where can we read about this? Not general money digging but specifically him communicating with guardian spirits

I love your cat! 😻

34:32 It sounds like the same logic behind "he who smelt it, dealt it".

Do you have any sources for Joseph Smith drinking alcohol?? I had never heard that before!

RE 13:00 min mark: I just wanted to refresh everyone's mind about the 1831 word of God Joseph received that said: "he that keepeth the laws of God hath no need to break the laws of the land" (D&C 58:21) Too bad God couldn't foresee the Saints being in a state that had anti-bigamy laws on its books already (Illinois) at the time He was going to have Joseph get really serious about his practice of polygamy - Mormon God is a lot of things, but omniscient doesn't seem to be one of those things. 😉

This is the way

34:28 That was Shakespeare... "Methinks the lady doth protest too much"

I love your cats so much

I dont like lying for the lord. The lord dislikes lying.

Y’all are awesome, but that cat is my favorite host.

It goes hand in hand with the rampant fraud amongst the brethren.

Can you provide links to your articles, we need you to show evidence to your studys and clames

Enid and Wednesday?

Lying is the cornerstone of our religion

My ad she is exquisite!

yall know kwaku (how ever his name is spelled) that ward show he’s on him and those guys were reacting to a Christian (Jeff Durban) vid on Mormons believing they became their own god and they were laughing saying that’s not true that’s a “evangelical lie” and then kwaku went on an ex Mormons podcast (I can’t remember her name) and she asked him what he likes about Mormonism and he says “the deity when get to heaven” ….i was so pissed when I heard that cuz I always knew this and I have asked Mormons about it and they say it’s not true!!!!! Why lie about your belief????? It makes me mad

Joseph Smith JR died Carthage Illinois 1844 with his brother Hyrum Smith after falsely being accused of treason...

Was Joseph Smith some kind of supernatural catch me if you can character? Why isn't he a comic book superhero because he must have had superpowers to fool everyone the way he must of. He seems bisexual.

I love that cat

Wait what was the name of that act that threatened to take away LDS church assets?