Most Hated Side Character EVER 

White men do not know how to write black female characters

And used him to murder a shitload of people, don't forget that.

Even after Mark just had his whole entire world flipped upside down, found out his father the man he looked up to so much is a genocidal killer then got his FACE smashed into a pile of goop by said father… She still manages to somewhat make it about her.

@@freddymcshreddy6586 Modern Millennial girls, dude. Haven't you seen them? Rachel Ziegler, Jenna Ortega have no filter and they pretty much grew up on social media and having opinions and centering their experience. Where have you been?

​@@suzygirl1843not the same thing were have you been

White Supremacist over a blskc woman. Makes sense. The world is racist

Omi man at least is meant to be evil and we sympathize with him when he's with his son Amber is meant to be sympathized with despite being in the wrong

​@@lumityviktuuristanartist4100 I'll state it this way. Imagine Omni-Man is Julius Malema, right? Go watch his clips; he's popular in South Africa, black people LOVE him. White people hate him to the bone and he might win elections in 2024. Amber = Elon Musk. South Africans don't tolerate Elon Musk. He's poorly received since he probably benefitted from Aparthied system. Invincible is a story about Colonization, as I've heard it, right? Omni-man is getting the planet ready for a takeover? Let's imagine Julius Malema being written that way in a heroic light. Amber may be annoying but she was also never gonna end up with Mark, right? Elon Musk is an annoyance to South Africans and they don't want him around.

@@lumityviktuuristanartist4100 Regardless of how annoying people may find Amber, she was written to be disposable. And I think Seth didn't realize how much vitriol her character would receive. Eve and Mark are drawn together by how shitty people treat them, right? Their trauma from their parents and exes.

I’ve read the comics.. And you will

When I read this I think of Skyler from Breaking Bad..

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Sometimes genocidal war maniacs are more likable than a bitchy toxic partner

yeah cus villains dont appear in every episode, the main characters best friend is in pretty much every single one

They made the character black and then the most hated character is pretty wild. I am no SJW, but what were they up to?

And eve is a LOT better at not dying.

@@guardian_ironworksAnd a lot more attractive + has real hair + will be a good mom that doesn’t seperate mark from his child and make him pay for child support

Fax

@@isaakhall8538lol ok so you just hate amber because your racist lol bro it a cartoon character relax

@@metfofo9190 I’m not racist I have a Mexican friend and have a black teacher that I get along with

Thing is amber in the comics and amber in the cartoon are vastly different. When Amber in the comics figures out mark is invincible she initially thinks he is a cowardly drug dealer until it clicks and she asks him straight up. When Mark admits it and tells her she comforts him. However the secrecy, risk and drama becomes too much and they sadly break up as Amber falls out of love with Mark. Even then later on Mark still will come to her call whenever she needs a friend/protector and confides with him when her relationship with another person turns abusive. In the comics when Eve is telling Mark he was wrong, it is because they had a fight about how mark "abondons" her during an attack (to change into invincible) and how she is THE ONLY PERSON in his in group where to not know his secret. Outside of the superficial changes to amber most of the cartoon follows the comics word for word.

I can kind of see it to be honest; Mark's the only one who knows about the conversation in her bedroom and when you take that part out of it, she was at least right to be upset. The scenario looked AWFUL from that perspective, from multiple angles.. Then she pulls that card out of her ass from pure spite and condescension, and now Mark looks like an ass to everyone who knows them while she gets off scott free. Goddamn I hate this version of Amber.

I knew Amber was trash when Mark's gay friend was telling him what kind of books she liked to read. The stuff she was into were all huge red flags.

@@RedFail1-1 Did you.. Did you watch that scene? My brother in christ we're mad because she "Knew the whole time." Which means she was either A. Lying to protect her ego in the moment and felt the need to kick Mark in the dick in the process Or B. She gaslit the FUCK out of him during that college trip, possibly even well before, because she lied to his face saying the problem was she didn't know where he was when he couldn't keep an appointment to save his life. Mark's no saint, but Amber comes to the playing field with actual malicious intent here.

@@RedFail1-1 Holy shit, an Amber defender! I didn't think they actually existed.

How is Amber abusive? That don't even make sense.

@@tyjuanbowman1536 yooooooooooo we found one of the 2 people defending her yippeeeee but i'm gonna be mean and not explain to you why she is abusive, there are a lot of videos and threads explaining it in great detail, so look them up yourself

​@@tyjuanbowman1536She is manipulative, controlling, selfish, gaslights Mark into thinking he's in the wrong, twists things to be about her ("I guess we both got lied to", like Mark not Immediately divulging his secret identity is even close to Mark almost being murdered by his own father)... She pretty thoroughly textbook on emotionally abusive behavior.

@@tyjuanbowman1536 So, I'm assuming you just said the word projection because "It that word what say you wrong", but as someone who actually knows what that means... Do you think I've dated a superhero? Because I haven't. It's literally impossible for me to have the frame of reference from which to project from, you ignorant trollop. Also, I'm pretty sure she did do the thing where I Literally Quoted Her From The Show. If anyone wants to talk projection, I'm just gonna say this to anyone else: Do not be in a relationship with anyone who thinks Amber's actions are acceptable. There's only one reason why, and while you may want to give sympathy to someone with such personality disorders, you don't want such people in your life.

@@tyjuanbowman1536Brain dead comment, but ok.

For real man, felt super unnatural. You can't just fix a character that way, should've just made them break up honestly

You guys in the comments are such haters that the actual concept of growth and character development makes people bad writers lmao

@@walmanthegreat Except there's no actual development occurring...growth without development is bad writing

She’s not though, she’s just burying her emotions now but she’s too afraid of how breaking up with a superhero because he saves people too often makes you look. She loves the ideals mark has but not the reality of acting on them. He’s everything she wants to be, a person who literally makes the world a better place on a daily basis. She doesn’t realise that’s she’s building resentment for exactly the lifestyle she’s learning to do. Politicians (the hardworking ones) have mediocre family lives because there is always another phone call or meeting or piece of legislation to review and amend. They’re too much the same person, mark was a kid with a hero complex who when came into power was faced with corruptive thought and motivation. Amber will face the same factors when she actually gets into politics for work. But I don’t think she has the temperament to accept that she could be corruptible.

@@user-dd8ws5uq7u they’re literally the same thing lmao 😂 you just hate shawty and no amount of change will fix that

but amber from the comic is really nice she was happy he is not a drug dealer and she understand saving the world and super-hero thing is more important than her mark is the @sshole in the comic mark kissed eve while he was still with Amber from the comic

@@JackLeblanc-ec6bt That literally makes more sense for an arc. I wonder why they changed it so much. I was a bit weirded out because I thought they were going for the toxic girlfriend angle until all of Mark's friends started dogpiling him on the subject. It was so off-putting that nobody in universe could empathize with Mark. The most recent season with the breakup made sense, and I wish they'd played more on that from the beginning. That, superheroes can't risk endangering the ones they love(But amped up to eleven with the viltrumites), but it just felt so hollow after everything else.

What do you expect? Accountability from WOMEN?!

​@@RobinMcBeth☕️☕️☕️☕️☕️

Well Eve is white and Amber is black… saying blacks people are wrong about anything nowadays is “racist” because reasons.

​@@kaj7135 tell me you live on the internet without telling me you live on the internet. Nobody cares about race, except you, it's just bad writing

​@@kaj7135I mean bloody hell, if you had to see any of the hate comments videos like this one get for calling Amber out.😂

Soon he'll go to eve

Idk why but for some reason they race swapped Amber and changed her personality in the show. Comics Amber isn't as insufferable as show Amber.

Ambers better

He does

Hell Allen the alien would be a better choice than Amber.

DAMMNN THATS CRAZY

i think it wasnt necesarily a bad move to have annoying characters, but having every other person agree with her is where they went wrong. simply frustrating to watch.

Made worse because it was an active decision since in the comics she was a lot more reasonable and didn't know thus making her complaints reasonable.

@@qwefg3 The main writer from the comics, Rob Kirkman also wrote for the show, so the decision def went by him. But it's more likely the writers didn't want this at all and they were forced to by whoever pays them.

​@@COMMANDR.0ID definitely forced...thats the ONLY reasonable explanation

@@COMMANDR.0ID and I wouldn't be surprised if this was his idea, since Kirkman turned full woke in resent years, and haven't wrote anything good for a while now (with The Walking Dead turning into crap after All Out War).

common dad w

​@ndunsimbi7901you gotta respect the dad

My black fiance hated amber. She raged against her. Who are they writing these characters for?

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@@connorsousa7448 Common incel L

This was the direction that her character went in the comics and it's what I complained about the most in season 1. The fact that this was replaced with her being like super entitled and angry at Mark is such a baffling decision. As much as I prefer how she was depicted in season 2, I honestly wish they had just stayed broken up instead of wasting a whole season on their relationship drama when we all know Mark ends up with Eve in the end anyway.

@@comicdans7732 yea her feeling upset because mark is never around makes sense but her being a bitch and getting mad at mark for prioritizing life saving over dates js made me hate her as a character

@@comicdans7732 Believe it or not, not everyone reads the comics

@redlightg27 Yeah that's why I thought it would be helpful to point out that they're following the comics closer now, for those who haven't read it.

@@comicdans7732 my point is for the last part of your comment. You said we all know that Mark ends up with Eve since we read the comics and that somehow makes the season "wasted." I'm just pointing out it's not wasted for those who haven't read the comics.

I think it's because despite the "girlboss strong woman who don't need no man" archetype... they never wrote her as an actual character, but as a means to an end for Mark. In this case, they wanted Mark to hit rock bottom by the end of the show. So... first he loses his GF, then he is mentally berated by his friends, then he is beaten into a pulp, then he loses his dad. If he was good with Amber by the end of the series, the rock bottom wouldn't have been as bottomy. If he was surrounded by a loving gf and supportive friends, then that final point, where he said "you dad, I'd have you" would have lost a little bit of its umf. Ironically, despite everything they did to make her a complex character, they did exactly the opposite by reducing her to a plot point for Mark.

@@whatsawhizzerwebnovels4927 but she came back to him the next day…

​@@whatsawhizzerwebnovels4927still they could break up because she didn't wanted to be bothering him taking time from him when he could be out there saving people instead or some random thing that made them break up (at least for a while), but nope

You know I wish they would do something to at least redeem his friends like it turns out he didn't tell them that amber knew for weeks as an oversight or something

Typical black woman tbh.

yeah they did this in the pretty good before superman show and it just ruined the entire show. I refuse to watch it now. I don't care if she "redeems" herself, nobody deserves redemption for that.

​@polocatfan I swear bro it's not that bad in the Lois one. Give it a chance.

Ive almost never seen what Invincible does before. I think it is way more interesting than “turns out my shitty boyfriend is really special so i guess ill just forget that were in a terrible relationship and live like this”. Being a shitty partner doesnt go away when you tell the gf that you have powers. Its waaaay better than “you lied!”. Which is in every movie ever.

@@polocatfanI feel like the Superman show did it good for once. Lois is a reporter who didn’t really care about anything except getting the main scoop, the big story. The show established she had those flaws back in the first episode, and even added more depth to them as the show progressed. Exposing Superman was her chance to finally prove herself to the Daily Bugle and her father, her one shot to success. She was selfish and greedy, and she realizes that literally in the next episode when Clark actually shows how selfless he is. Infact, Jimmy knew too, he knew for years. Literally every character had some sort of development, and their relationship grew stronger as a whole. Clark learned to be more honest with his friends, Lois learned that she shouldn’t be so selfish, and Jimmy learned that sometimes things don’t always go his way. And as a whole, each character learned that they should communicate more with eachother when it comes to their feelings.

As the hero, yeah, they can't let the woman just die, but, seriously, these types of toxic women are not worth dating at all. I'm amazed that heroes, especially superman, who are supposed to be paragons of virtue or at least on the path of enlightenment and symbols to aspire to are continuously written as such immature simps these days. I mean, the women are just written to be awful people and the heroes just bend over for them continuously. Neither are aspirational at all. Superheroes are literally designed to be an allegory for the best a man can be and aspire for and having then go for these awful women over and over again does nothing to show the best of a man to where they are super. And it just makes every woman who enjoys the stuff feel like no matter how bitchy they are they still deserve whatever man they want. Horrible lessons for relationships. I know they're somewhat meant to be toxic to show the difficulty of being a hero and how they have to sacrifice healthy relationships, but my God it's awful and not delivering that message when it's a toxic relationship the whole way through and the women are the ones making it such shit purposefully

that was time when feminist where taking over and make sense with the changes

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when I heard mark say "you're way too good for me" I though to myself, "you said that backwards man"

They really didnt want to admit their mistakes on Amber and just ignores what she said in S1

Well, sorry, but it's already too late for that.

They definitely were trying to write Amber subversive of love interests in superhero media, but they totally screw up by framing it this way. If Amber knew than she should have told Mark, that would have been subversive and kind of empowerming because it takes away the notion of it being a thing about him when the reveal could make it clear it's about both of them.

It's a classic trait of narcissism.

He said "BITCH cuz you are!"

I think the thing that made her feel unimportant was the fact he was keeping such a huge secret from her, as opposed to telling her.

@@1001011011010 because revealing his identity could put her in danger. Glad we sorted this out lolol

@@AllThingsEntertaining yeah obviously Mark had his own reasons But I guess Amber probably thought they had been close enough to be more open about the truth by this point

Yeah tokenization is so bad. It's unoriginal and lazy. And annoying..

Totally agree with there

An over the top villain can actually be a delight to watch but an annoying character just makes you want to put down the series for a while.

except high revolutionary who is just level 1000 evil

@@superbrainz2357 If anything, good written villains and anti-heroes are as enjoyable to watch (if not more) than the heroes. Just watch in the Naruto Shippuden fanbase and you'll see what I'm talking about!

There's a whole "trope" about this called Jerks are Worse than Villains". Really insightful read on TVTropes.

😂 perfect

Ha!

accurate sadly

Mark: *”I’M NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE GREATER GOOD!”* Amber: *“GREATER GOOD? I AM YOUR **_GIRLFRIEND,_** I’M THE GREATEST **_GOOD_** YOU ARE EVER GONNA GET!”*

@@vonnie0_0 at least frozones wife was funny with her selfishness

Milked is what i heard.

That is nothing but Mark`s fault.

@@Morten_Storvikguys dont bother responding to this person. They obviously trolling or are stupid

​@@Morten_Storvikhow

​@@Morten_StorvikLow quality bait.

So why did they change it from the comics to the tv series?

Yup i this it’s Marxist in nature ngl.

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Are you implying the person who wrote her is comparable to the pos that she is? Because most every other character is not written that way, and they only hire so many writers. I think whoever wrote her character knew exactly what they were doing and wanted to portray her the way she was. Knowing what I know about what happens later on, she is a pretty inconsequential character once things get rolling.

@@danc5644 I think they're implying it's a person similar to the one who wrote "Velma".

nah pretty sure it was reth sogan

It`s hardly narcissistic to want your boyfriend to be honest about an identity that can put you in harms way. She has a right to be able to concent or not to such a relationship. 🤷‍♂

Granted we’ve only got 2 episodes to go off of for season 2 so far, but it seems like they really tried to make her less hatable this season. I’m fine with it, but it’s kind of odd. It’s hard to call it character development. She is just suddenly tolerable.

What the dog doin

That's actually a really good point. Don't get me wrong, it's not a big ask to not turn into a giant jerk, but Mark truly did not ever get selfish or self inflated. His struggles came entirely from him trying to hold to his responsibilities and keep everyone happy. A teenager getting super powers and still bending over backwards for a new girlfriend that probably didn't appreciate the stress he was under enough, is pretty wild.

@@gilbertgarcia8683 Treating your girlfriends ability to be able to consent to a potentially dangerous relationship as a mere suggestion is in fact extremely selfish.

and then we have a handful of people defending her with "mark shouldn't be in a relationship with her because he's a superhero" what a joke

​@@localonionseller8556Mark shouldn't be in a relationship with her 'cause No-One should.

lol but it’s beyond realistic

She doesn’t want a relationship where mark is always late and not there

@@moonhunter982 Yes, that is her *Motive* for her utterly reprehensible actions.

i don't think Mark is in the wrong EXCEPT for the ending of s1. His glib lets go back to highschool attitude made me not like him as a character

@@Solarstormflare what do you expect him to do bruh. His father was revealed as a genocidal maniac and now he just wants to live a normal life for a little bit without worrying about being a superhero

​@Solarstormflare oh the teen suddenly becoming a superhero, and then suddenly gettinf beat near to deatg by superman who is also his dad on top of needing to save the world doesnt want to deal with the preassure anymore and quits? Ive heard teens give up jobs for a lot less stress

Makes sense. The mere existence of a character like Amber isn't a bad thing in and of itself (tropes like Hate Sink and Deliberately Bad Example exist for a reason). The problem is the show portraying her as in the right.

@@Solarstormflare my boy was given 17 years of the ass spankings in one day hell if that was me id be glad to go back to school and shit

Sansa Stark was a great example of this, it doesn’t matter if she does dumb shit over and over again, we’ll just have Arya tell the audience how smart she is

@@michaelmurphy3976 Every woman in got was like that.

She’s only awful bc they changed her character from the comics by making her a jerk and changing her to black for diversity.

​@@booshyee7646It has nothing bro do with her being black, it's just because they changed her personality

​@@booshyee7646had something till the second part 😐

He does kinda look like mufasa

Ikr! This guy is risking life, blood, and and limbs in order to protect everyone's livelihood. Hell, he almost got killed several times for it. And not only did she know all this time...... but she's giving him shit for it. Because, what, he didn't prioritize going to the soup kitchen with her when people are in danger? Like does she honestly believe feeding homeless people is more important than saving people from super-powered lunatics? Like bitch, are you for real? Honestly, if I was Mark I would thank God that she dumped me because clearly something's wrong with her tiny world.

I find it kinda crazy they race swapped her while simultaneously making her a worse character 💀

​@@legalza0843mad fishy

they changed it for a trash twist.

She didn't suspect he was Invincible AT ALL, she suspected he was dealing drugs lmao

That’s what I was thinking. She was literally the one who warned him to be careful about telling people his identity

Amber is going be the downfall of this show am surprised she isn't the main character at this point

Actually in the comics, Eve was the one who gave Mark the idea, that he's relationship with Amber won't workup because she is not a superhero and never truly understand what people like Mark and Eve goes through on daily basis.

@@Depressso-Espressobut now in the show amber knows about marks hero life so I wonder how they will break up at this point? Either 1 of them cheats or she dies because they managed to comeback from the lowest of lows only the extremes can break this relationship

@@unkown981 I think it's gonna be pretty toxic. But at this point, Amber become the embodiment of toxicity. But in the comics they have really healthy breakup.

yeah if it was at least like a "I can't handle being in a relationship with a superhero I'm sorry bye" thing then it would've been fine

@@silksongoutyetthat’s sounds a lot more reasonable then what we ended up getting

@@silksongoutyet That's what it is during season 2

That right there is what proved Amber to be a beatch.. it’s one thing for her to be angry at mark while not knowing, and another to actually know the entire time and not be worried.. just like his other friend who thought he had nothing to complain about because he was super powered

she also only decided to get back with him only because omni man almost murdered his ass. the bitch was like "oh no he almost dead, looks like i have to go out with him and make him feel as if i am worth something when i aint"

Mark:I STOP 911 2.0 FROM- Amber:U MISSeD tHE Soup ShOp

I always saw it as her saying earlier in the relationship that she’s been with well intentioned men who could t spare time for her and she doesn’t want to have a relationship like that. He’s late or doesn’t show up to anything she sets for them and even if it’s justified she already said she didn’t want a relationship like that. I didn’t really see it as an issue, but I do see that she was too vindictive and harsh about the whole thing.

It especially hurts because Amber was initially established as a good person who went out of her way to help the less fortunate. Which makes it feel completely out of left field when she suddenly is revealed to know Mark's secret and not only doesn't care that he's protecting the entire solar system, but is mad that he didn't tell her his most intimate secret so he could save lives. She should be stoked that he's doing good.

The writers screwed up I think. They wanted her to be in the right and be upset by her partner constantly leaving her, but they also wanted her to be super smart and able to figure out what's truly going on. And they conflicted there and it feels a bit nonsensical.

1st off don't use partner it water down the relationship 2nd no they didn't in today age women and lacks are never wrong @@JustapErson

​@JustapErson with the writing, i wish they would've done the whole "love makes you dumb" thing like with they did with ps5 miles morales (if thats how you spell it) it would've made somewhat sense then.

​@@Steven9567also what using partner doesn't "water down" a relationship?

Bruh, it's because he continually lies to her and never trusts her enough to tell her until after the relationship explodes

TOXIC 🗣️🗣️🗣️

Oh and Amber blackmailing someone to pass on some digits ain't a W. That's a red flag

woman moments

​@@MiMiwiwi10 ☕

Well he cheats on her with Eve in the comics, so it's not out of nowhere

To be honest, she did it twice. The woman loves the misery of the boy -.-

I think the writers made her out to be a narcissist.

@@ShinYoshao01 they certainly wrote her as one, but I don't think they realized that her narcissism is a bad thing. The show frames her as being perfect even though she's awful.

@@Thanatos2996 I wonder why that is. Maybe the writers are inserting some of themselves into... Oh crap. They are narcissistic too. Jeeeeeez man.

That seems like a pretty stereotypical female thing. There are actually anthropological studies into how women tend to pick men other women are with because women trust other women and not guys, so if another woman is with a guy, that guy is basically pre-vetted to be safe to pursue. It's apparently a risk aversion tactic. This is why, historically, twice as many women have had kids compared to men. Same reason the "bad boy" stereotype exists, it's more of the appeal of someone whose in control of their own life attracting women, regardless of if they're making good or bad decisions, they're making their own decisions and that gets positive attention from women. Decision making = leader = protection = wet panties (not literally.... at least not usually literally 🤣) I'm not saying it isn't toxic, and it definitely is a sign he shouldn't be with her, but it's probably the most understandably toxic thing she could do and is just a sign that he should be cautious. Cause the second he stops being tough and manly and other girls aren't paying attention to him anymore, her affection will likely go bye-bye

Wild

Isn’t that pretty realistic? Women do get attracted to “taken” men

@@danzansandeev6033 Oh I'm not arguing against it being realistic, but what I'm saying is that it's a red flag, especially in combination with her holier than though attitude.

Smells like incels

Same bro holy sht

500 years in the comics

nobody who defended amber will every admit they're wrong about anything.

@@facE055 The fans? Probably not. In the series, however, I think there's still time to pivot and undo that damage. After all, I don't think it was stated that Mark told the others that Amber knew his secret for weeks.

@@orgixvi3Yeah, I’m really hoping we get a scene where Mark’s mom calls amber out on her shit.

@@orgixvi3 I dont think the writers even realized that context isn't present. They just think it's all justified.

@@phabiorules Based Debbie

I dont blame him, afterall that is the first time he got a girlfriend ever, pretty sure his still learning them ropes on the whole relationship thing

They broke up later pretry sure and finally he get with eve

The multiple near death beatings probably rattled his brain a bit.

It's a teenager thing

Lol. You must have never loved anybody in your entire life to say that. When you catch feelings for someone you don't want anyone else. You just want them.

Everyone: *_"Yes."_*

@@concept5631My response would be, "unless you want what's left of your mother to be shadow on the pavement, then I'd say yeah."

@@AllThingsEntertaining wtf dude

@@concept5631 I mean, it paints a real picture for them. I attend your mom's birthday, but everyone is now dead.

Maybe Mark should’ve started with that from the beginning he really was a shitty boyfriend who kept lying

Exactly

Yeah comics had it better

Comic Amber is the polar opposite and is almost as garbage as the show counterpart. The only thing that saves her is that she doesn’t blame Mark but her character is so nonexistent and exists only as a plot device, she’s garbage too.

All By Design.

​@CHESS-MAN2491 one of the rare thing the comic did better tbh the comic sucks

She's fine, you're overreacting.

the entire show is pretty dogshit apart from Omniman

Its weird because atleast she's a character with a personality in the show. Her comic counterpart was a bland stepping stone to eve.

@@Sciuridae Big agree, but also this is why I don't do charity so I'm kinda obligated to agree. I don't trust myself to not use it as a mask, or leverage, if push came to shove. I don't know if that makes me a decent person or just a self-aware selfish piece of shit, but whatever.

@@rushi5638 Never heard of someone afraid of doing charity for moral reasons before, this is hilarious

Be real, if it was the other way around, ya'll would be in your feelings because if she can lie to you about that, what else is she lying about. The moment they got serious, you gotta tell your partner about it. Think about it, the college incident, the soup kitchen, all avoided. "She'd be like go get 'em 🐯 ". Also, THEY ARE A REFLECTION OF NOLAN AND DEBBIE. Man how ya'll miss that. Debbie was trying to figure Nolan shit but ya'll dont slam on her

Yeah I agree, it's fucking terrifying to see how she acts, worse is, I have met people like that ! At least it serves as an exemple on what kind of person you need to avoid

The fact the writing is telling me what to think is exactly why Amber isn't a great character let alone strong. Manipulative and narcissistic yes, but strong no.

Honestly she was justified in her issues with mark. He did lie to her and strung her along in a relationship that he clearly was not ready to juggle with his other life.

​@@anthonymahomeboy1277He deserves love and relationships regardless of the responsibilities he has been born with. His lie was justified. Her behavior isn't.

@@richardashendale922 no one deserves to be lied to

Lois Griffin does go hard

@traxathon4464 I'd argue that the writers tried to make Lois three dimensional, but the execution is sloppy... My guess is it was due to poor communication between the writers.

@@DemonicRemption honestly, the fact this show managed to live with WB bs and managed to do what Invincible tried way better is testament of itself.

She projected her issues onto Clark and Jimmy proved to be more mature and understanding because he knew it wasn't his secret to tell. Lois while better than Amber still acted like a self-entitled dweeb and if she wasn't close to Clark she very well might've revealed his identity thus putting his parents, himself, and his best friend Jimmy. and everyone else he's close to in constant danger. ( *SPOILER* Lois's father in the new show seems to be after Clark )

@@purkle200 and show actually examines that. Whole later half of the series is pretty much shows how her paranoia can back fire and challenges her ability to have trust in Clark and last two episodes she does just that.

Oh shit that's crazy

Also, when she went back to Mark after the fight with Omni-Man, she said "looks like I wasn't the only one being lied to" as if Mark keeping his identity a secret to keep his loved ones (including Amber) safe is even remotely comparable to Nolan secretly being a genocidal monster who killed many innocent people and nearly beat his own son to death. Honestly, if Mark gave her a full Viltrumite back hand b slap, I'd be congratulating the guy.

You need two girls to get 1. This show captures it perfectly

huh? Didnt she already give mark her number before that?

@@phobosex7504 No. Will even offered to give her Mark's number after she started interrogating him about Mark and Eve spending time together. Instead she blackmailed Todd into giving Mark *her* number in a "strong independant woman" power move.

shes "more understanding" cuz they completely changed her. S1 she was the typical rude girl boss character studios constantly push. But fans hated it, so they made her nice and docile now. Its not even the same person. Shouldve made them break up and Mark dating someone new with this new amber personality

every single female i know that's around my age said amber sucked in season 1 😂

Its a forced allegory for the typical male/female relationships of the modern Era. Men can be literally heroes to their communities and it won't be enough for most women. It's not shitty writing, it's honest writing. It's so funny how it is going above people's heads. It's a satirical comic strip, it's entire premise is based on "what if superman was a douchebag?" Then expanded into other satirical tropes we often see in mainstream hero media that a lot of people are tired of because it's so wildly unrealistic. In reality, you don't often win the day, get the girl, have a happy ending so on reality not many can actually relate to any of it. But a good majority of people can relate to having a shitty gf/bf who intentionally disregards whatever you're doing for them or others. Lol, probably why people are upset about how a fictional character is treating another fictional character in a fucking cartoon lmao

@@anthonyzullo I think you're giving the writers way too much credit. Asshole characters that the writers know are assholes can be entertaining to watch because in-universe, those characters get their comeuppance. Here, it's more obvious the writers try to convince the audience Amber is a good person but failed to make her actions match that. It was more of an attempt at creating petty drama that didn't execute well rather than anything satirical. Why? Because Amber doesn't get called out nor ever put in a negative light in-universe despite acting like a complete self-centered narcissist. That's why people are upset with her. Also in the comics, Amber was never written this way. She was just a nice and simple gf for Mark to be with till he got with Eve. Making it even more obvious the writers were just attempting to give her more depth in the show and unintentionally made her vile in the process.

​@@anthonyzulloI think you are right about it being an excellent allegory for modern relationships, but I think you are wrong about it being intentional. I think the writers tried to make something relatable and ultimately succeeded, but in a way they didn't intend to.

For real, people don’t talk about the revenge porn crime enough. I hate to be that guy, but it needs to be said. Imagine if the genders were reversed.

​@@anthonyzullo Yuck

only way to fix her is say she had brain cancer and the tumor was effecting her brain.

An easy way to fix that piece of garbage its just reading the comic

​@@Born_Stellaror split personality disorder XD

That would be making way too many allowances for clearly toxic behavior but the tumor thing would work great

That's exactly how it went in the original comic version

Also in the first episode they promise to not have any secrets between them

I love the new Superman show in general and love how Lois is into Clark and not just Superman for once. The whole show is a breath of fresh air

I think what people miss about Lois is that she was wrong to he angry with a man she has only known for some months and who by the way, had every reason and right to not tell her his secret identity when she already threatened to expose it to the world in the first place. And the story didn't even make her realise she was wrong even after Jimmy said he understands why clark didn't tell him. If someone has flaws then they should be called out for it or atleast realise their mistakes. This is the problem with most modern series female characters. They do something stupid but everyone else had to apologize to them. No one in this world is perfect and a good character, flawed or not, should atleast learn a lesson or two from their mistakes or atleast get called out for it.

Also Lois didn't realize how wrong she was at all. She might have been worried about their relationship or whatever but that doesn't give her the right to treat him that way. Clark is genuinely a great guy and it's just sad that after everything he does for people, his love interest treats him that way and doesn't even apologize at all.

​​@@lavasharkflowerssounds like real life to me

Almost like they were trying to push a stereotype…

same with velma...

It's wild because the amber in the comics was nice, she didn't have as much of a presence but she was way better So they took a character from the comics, race swapped her and made her an asshole

@@EmersonCRVG Nope, Norville was actually pretty decent despite me being unsure why they switched his name, all things considered. He wasn't as funny as Shaggy at all, obviously, but at least he was reasonable and not an asshole like Velma was the entire time.

​@@thc_freebaserHe was a problem in the other direction. A pathetic simp with no reason to be. Hell, I remember Velma having him confess his feelings to her to get her to laugh.

Amber isn't actually smart or a good person. The writers wrote her as an annoying bitch but were completely tone-deaf to how she actually came off as. You can see how the writers saw her while creating her character through words other say, such as consistently pushing the idea she is a good person and "way too good" for Mark.

She probably has and thought to herself that she’s going to be the first one to make a superhero tell her their secret identity in the first 6 or so months of their relationship

@@bibigamer502 yeah, doesn't make sense to lie to her

Yea, it would have worked out so much better if instead she started just going on and on about how wonderful "Invincible" was while looking at him adoringly. That would have been funny as a recurrent theme.

@@JaimeWarlock funnier than this only if the show didnt try to portrait her as right, it would be hilarious

@@JaimeWarlockyou have a great talent of completely ignoring what someone said. God, your future partners are gonna LOVE that.

yeah a bit accidentally sociopathic

@@damonirvine8910 Maybe it is my autism, but I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Please explain. Btw, my partner loves me. Her English is terrible, my Swahili is terrible, but we are very patient in trying to understand each, so it works out.

if you watch the episde after you will see her showing why she is so angry at him. because she feared he lied about other things. like his feelings for her. basically she was afraid he was omniman playing invincible... also, when she sees him before confronting him, she is worried because he was hurt, it was only after seeing he was alright that she confronted him, which shows her priorities.

@@marcosdheleno And if you look past episodes, you can see why Clark kept the secret from her. Lois told him she would expose all of Superman's secrets... stole press passes to get a story... And when Clark was getting ready to reveal his secret to her, she made the remark how she hated Superman Again, I say this: it's not as Toxic as Amber from Invincible , but this is part of the growing trend of people feeling "entitled" to knowing other people's secrets amd forcing them to reveal it on their terms instead of the other way around Jimmy's reaction was PERFECT, hence why he is The Goat!!!!

@@Scoonertuna yeah, like i said, the show never says lois is in the right. on the contrary it literaly shoves it in her face that she is in the wrong. what it does do is tell us WHY she feels wronged. not that she is right in feeling that way. in other words, CONTEXT.

Won't lie. Amber knowing and yet being upset because "you don't spend enough time with me" is also pretty common in crime dramas, which also get stale. How many crime shows do you see where the veteran has been married several times (always four for some reason)? And these are women who know they're with men who work crazy hours and yet get upset when he misses a date! Haley Hotchner from Criminal Minds kind of irritated me the most with this because she always chewed out Hitch for not being home after Jack was born despite the fact that before he was born, Hotch was already a certified team leader and been in the bureau for a while. She knew the crazy hours! I could at least forgive Kathy Stabler because she and Elliot got together more because she got pregnant in school (I don't doubt they loved each other but the show made it fairly clear they had a shotgun wedding), so didn't know what she was signing up for. Plus it seemed her issues was more her thinking Elliot and Olivia were too close than the job itself. Also, also, they seemed to be amicable during their short breakup It's why I actually liked Will and JJ from Criminal Minds or the Regans from Blue Bloods because it was nice seeing an actual stable relationships in a crime fighting family. I get the whole point is to show that such a job requires sacrifice, but does it have to come at the cost at having the hero (or crime drama character) seem like they're the bad guys because of it. Also funnily enough Spiderman also did a good subversion of the normal girl and superhero breaking up. Spectacular Spiderman had Peter dating someone who actually didn't mind he worked crazy hours (aka his story to cover up him doing Spiderman duties). They broke up on Valentine's Day not because he ditched her to deal with Venom but because she could tell Peter like someone else (Gwen Stacy).

​@ugan2 Hotch stayed at work even when he didn't need to, that's what Haley was upset about. He didn't make time for her or his son.

This fits her character so well when you think about her hobby of helping at the soup kitchen. She doesn't go there for the goodness in her heart, she goes there to get her fix, a feeling like she's a benevolent superior being. That's why she was so upset with Mark, he was doing more good than she was (he basically said his super hero work is more important than her soup kitchen work) and it shook up her ego. That's why the reasons she gives him make no sense, because there's no explanation for her treatment of him that doesn't make her look like a totally selfish bitch. People like this generally have an inkling of their true selfishness, but most of it is hidden from their awareness. So I don't think she lied when giving her reason for breaking up with him, I think she just didn't really know because she couldn't be honest with herself.

Except none of that even makes sense. Because it still doesn't explain anything that happened between them. Especially the college campus stuff. Honestly this is just bad writing to get people to hate Amber. It doesn't make sense any other way

@@Pehz63 Pretty much, yeah. If she is an intentional examination of what a real version of the "Feminist Strong Woman" archetype Hollywood pushes would really be like, it's a brilliant one. She isn't evil in her own mind. She isn't thinking about her superiority in her own mind. She's thinking of herself as the victim of an oppressive Patriarchy (and Colonialist culture that doesn't appreciate her African heritage). She _is_ doing good by volunteering at the soup kitchen, but her drive to do so is one of "I am a superior person helping the lessers" rather than "I want to help these people get better." She would almost certainly find a reason to be "concerned" if the soup kitchen stopped seeing so many customers due to more of them finding their way out of poverty. Again, she isn't consciously evil; it's just all about her and her position as The Righteous One. All of her behaviors take on a sinister glare in light of "I've known for weeks," but they all still fall into the stained glass window of her saintly self-image, too. That's what makes it so brilliant a character examination...assuming it's on purpose. IF it is on purpose, it is STEALTHILY done, too.

@@darrienjones8917the writing makes it kinda seem like amber is in the right cuz everyone be agreeing with her and Mark be takin her back and the part with her “knowing three weeks ago” was just tryna make her smart, tryna say she smart, I think maybe the writers wanted Mark and Amber to have been together longer and the reason for Amber being mad is that Mark didn’t trust her after all these years or that he valued his secret identity over her immediate safety when he went to get in costume which, if the cyborg went straight for Amber, could’ve killed her but they didn’t do none of that, rather they made Amber an annoying asshole

@@darrienjones8917 It could be bad writing. If so, it was bad writing designed to showcase how smart and brilliant she is. Why, strong women like her would never be fooled by dumb boys keeping secrets from them! But whether it was that unintentional bad writing, or an intentional depiction of her self-centered nature, it DOES recast all the stuff that came before, and leave us with a coherent image of a young woman who is deeply toxic but actually remarkably believable as a character.

Social justice has a way of enabling sociopaths

Her reading list was full of red flags.

@@dreadcthulhu5 ta-nehisi Coates being one

@@reinsmano Yes.

@@dreadcthulhu5 yup, ya'll hate black people.

All of that for nothing because at the end Mark will end up with Eve

Apparently, in season 2, she's closer to how she was in the comics. And tbh, she's way more likeable now... but too late. The damage is done. She's more or less been redeemed, good for her, but Mark is my boy. Get her away from my boy. She can go be redeemed with somebody else. I believe in 2nd chances, sometimes more... but only if the person can own up to the screw up. She never did. Writers acting like she wasnt behaving the way she was behaving, but I didn't forget and I'm not going to pretend like it didn't happen. Get my boy away from that "personality changes with the flip of a switch" harpy.

@@oggrim2824 Modern western writers assume their viewers have the attention span of fish. Which if they did any basic human relation dynamics research, we don't.

The way they changed her rather than her having a character arc gave me whiplash.

​@oggrim2824 Fr, it feels fake asf. And whoever is writing her character does not have good relationship advice. 😂