That's unfortunately not Season 1. That's the Mini-Series, which if I recall correctly, is seperate and not considered part of Season 1 (It's a Prelude to Season 1).
@@xyounax I guess it depends a little. In Norway the mini-series aired on TV like it was episode 1 and 2 of the first season. But yeah, technically not season 1.
I think the ambiguity works better. The sheer weight of that doubt and moral uncertainty was a part of what kept the tension so high. "Did we commit an atrocity? Did we actually save the fleet, or did the Cylons successfully bait us into killing our own? Are we heroes or monsters?" Heavy stuff.
@@ShannonCarter55 Sorry, that's what I was trying to say. The people on the Olympic Carrier were supposed to be alive in the original script for the episode.
@@Geminias which they changed because that episode was dark enough. They left it up to our interpretation whether there were living people still aboard or just people in general. In my opinion, the only living beings on that ship were whatever Cylon agent was impersonating the captain and piloting the ship. The humans were slaughtered down to the last man, woman and child. Probably with great glee from a One.
@@anamericancelt6534 Oh.. it wasn´t only the lack of maintenance, the much bigger problem was that she wasn´t build to last.... if i recall right, the shipyard has cut alot of costs to build her faster and cheaper for the war effort. But the problems were never solved because they could only be seen from places that were practically never used. From the outside she looked pretty well maintained for a 50 year old ship that had been at the end of a conversion to a museum, same goes for the areas and systems that were used everyday, but her core structure was the problem... and nobody found that out until Tyrols trip into her insides. But still: she held up really good for a ship with a fracked up construction. I really felt sorry that she was sent into our sun :( I loved that ship and it would have been great to see her as a museum piece in a future show.
Ballistic weapons instead of Phasers, Nuclear weapons instead of Superlasers, hull armor instead of shields, vessels following the laws of physics...one the most accurate military Sci-Fi ever seen on TV.
@@Eradicator-jv9xr The Expanse being one of the most accurate Sci-Fi shows ever does not take away from the fact that BSG was one of the most accurate Sci-Fi shows ever. (Note the words "one of").
@@paulprovenzano3755 I disagree. The original BSG had all the trappings of fantasy sci-fi as well. Rather than being "realistic", I think that the US has stopped dreaming big and a depth of cynicism has set in and it shows in the tech portrayed in sci-fi.
Notice how despite Starbuck's protests she open fired right with him within 1 second. She always knew her duty; just interpreted it in her own unique way... occasionally.
It showed the dichotomy of the two officers. Lee was now the CAG, but Starbuck was riding him for being too soft, stating he wasn’t their friend, he was the CAG, making it seem as if he couldn’t make the hard choices, and implying that she could. However, when it came down to brass tacks, Lee followed what was probably the most difficult orders any of them had ever received: blow up a ship filled with civilians. Lee quietly followed orders, and Starbuck protested the entire time. She was still a fighter pilot, and a professional, so in the end reflexes and training kicked in and she opened fire too, but it illustrated that Apollo wasn’t as weak as she thought, and perhaps Starbuck wasn’t as strong as she believed.
In the first clip, when the carrier is destroyed besides not seeing anyone through the windows, no bodies are seen flying off into space either. It was likely empty, hard to say where the crew and passengers were. Perhaps a facility like Adama was at in BG: Razor with the prisoners and human parts for study and such. "All this has happened before and will happen again" - Mysterious voice BG: Razor
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in the original script there was meant to be passengers scene in the window. but they opted to change there minds later and removed them leaving to the views to decide if there was people onboard
I'm getting goosebumps just watching/listening to the first scene... the score of the show is amazing and the decisions the characters had to make were heartbreaking.
Galactica is like the real world battleships that everyone thought were obsolete by the end of ww2 but were still used in combat missions till the golf war, sometimes an old sledgehammer does the job
The US war really the only country actively using battleships for anything post-ww2, because the US was the only country that could afford massive floating artillery pieces.
A sledgehammer might be just a sledgehammer, but it will always be a sledgehammer. You will never run out of times when a sledgehammer would be handy to have.
I dunno about that mate - a lot of us were going crazy about how awesome it was, but there was also a *_LOT_* of whining and complaining at the time...
@@captainkiwi77 It's perhaps fair to say that almost everyone who could be talked into actually sitting down and watching it would instantly become a fan. It was convincing people to give it a try that was difficult. I remember nagging my girlfriend, over and over and over, to trust me and check out the miniseries/pilot, subsequent to which, she quickly became a bigger fan than me.
Has anyone caught a interview where they confirmed or denied that the Olympic carrier actually had nukes on board, and as a nerd detail I picked up, Apollo's Viper being the newest model actually appeared to have a control stick on the right side of the pilot where Starbuck's an older model had the stick between the pilots legs. The F-16 with its new title the viper has the same side stick configuaration.
@@Anarchist86ed Correct. I remember reading they wanted to show Apollo seeing people on board but the higher ups already thought the episode was dark enough or something like that.
the only thing i did not like with BSG other then its dumb ending, was the whole spiritual and religious side of it... like who are these angels, what are they? is it a even more advanced race just observing the human race trying to make its way in the universe? they never explained it cause there no way in hell i gonna take it as it being some kind of super natural or a god... i want the scientifict facts. not some primitive nonsense....
If only Netflix would get their head out of their butts and buy the Stargate Franchise. Then hire the director, and maybe the writers, of this version of Battlestar Galactica, to run with it. Holy hell that would be absolutely amazing! And they could use the franchise to keep people interested in Netflix for what? 10+ years? More? That would be a huge WIN for Sci-fi Geeks everywhere if that happened...I can always dream...🛸
The Daedalus was a little beast I fondly remember. Would be real nice to see it in latest generation of graphics engines put to screen not mention the cameos, I mean Richard Dean Anderson is a retired man in his 70's but you can still imagine irate comedic phone calls to the base commander over the various phuckups of his new teams and as for Christopher Judge he hasn't aged a damned day and has more muscle now than 20 years ago as if it were possible. And then there is dear Amanda Tapping, and Michael Shanks, again both looking great, but as to Amanda, I am fairly certain she would give her left leg to get together again on Stargate with the others. She was heartbroken when they announced they were cancelling the show, not due to bad ratings, but due to MGM's financial phuckups where it took masses of lucrative IP and drove them into the ground via short term and/or idiot decisions that compounded into multi billion losses. Stargate was about the only damned thing making them any bloody money at the time, but the losses to the rest killed SG1, Atlantis, and Discovery in the end. Recorded off camera and in photos, Amanda was sobbing her eyes out on the last day, and there is a very barbed comment in one of the episodes towards the end of the last season that is clearly aimed at MGM for not having any respect for the franchise. The bosses on top sent the cancellation notice down to them while they were all at a party for the 200th episode.
Agreed. Just picking characters to turn out to be Cylons, with no rhyme or reason, or a compelling character arc that makes it make sense, is basically Deus ex Machina. Or, to put another way, say “the butler did it” in a mystery just to have a unpredictable surprise for the sake of an unpredictable surprise. Lame writing. Seemingly the writers didn’t know where to go with the story (maybe didn’t plan for so many seasons) - so gave up on characters, imaginative story, and just flung out ludicrous absurd plot turns. And the religious claptrap; it’s not only not good science fiction, it’s not science fiction.
Just noticed a continuity issue with the Olympic Carrier. In one shot the Galactica is turning looking like it's about to get it's broadside ready to shoot the Olympic Carrier if needed. Then a following shot it's facing away.
It was a nasty habit of no continuity flow when it came to matching up CGI scenes. It only got worse as the seasons went on and they kept adding ships every few episodes to background shots. Season 1 added the sublight ships from the Miniseries in, then just kept adding and adding at the seasons went on. I counted at least 93 ships at one point despite dialogue from the Miniseries suggesting 50+ ships (40+ from Roslin's initial convoy of 60+), 33 indicating at least 63 ships and Galactica and Tigh's line indicating 60 odd ships in You Can't Go Home Again. The Farm retconned it to around mid-70s due to a line from Tigh about 24 ships being almost a third of the fleet.
To think that the colonel and his wife are cylon, and this war is just one of dozens that have occurred over millennia, which decimates both races, then they rebuild, forget the past battles, and it all restarts again.
A couple of thoughts as someone who’s never seen the show but loves science fiction: the fake swearing is making me laugh so much “Oh Frack Me!!!” “What the Frack?!” I like that they made some attempt to include elements from real space flight like the miniature thrusters, but they’re doing the classic cardinal sin of presenting space with an UP and a DOWN and every ship is in the same orientation - which doesn’t make any sense in a space battle. The way the ships move makes no sense - at one point she literally turned her ship around and went back the opposite direction she was travelling in. Every ship in space is moving in orbit to the closest planetary body… space flight is about adjusting the orbits - not just a glorified aeroplane I like that they muted the sounds whenever showing things from outside the ship. Of course in real life there is no sound at all but it’s good they muted it at least as things like Star Wars and Star Trek and all those never bother to do that I have to admit that the dog fights between the space ships are epic… really well choreographed. They also used the budget nicely with all those close ups of peoples faces
Yeah, they made it seem like as realistically plausible as possible for a sci-fi series using a lot of what would be considered old proven technology inside of a space vessel.
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Buddy girl on the fighter team, or she got her space jet shorted out in the cockpit. Whenever someone had this short circuit, I thought it meant the end for both the pilot and the plane's spacecraft. Implicitly, we're supposed to know it was destroyed because, every spacecraft plane destroyed, they don't have enough film discs to shoot every single one, detail
After a decade of begging my wife to watch the show we are now halfway through the second season. She is loving it, begging to watch another episode. This is the best TV show of all time.
My late GF and I had the same experience. She was never big into Sci-Fi but was utterly hooked by the end of 33. We binge-watched the whole thing in about 3 weeks.
yea... she was a woman thus she needed boosting in terms of story and logic because FEMINISATION .... nothing else. OG one is still a dude and i would rather watch that 1 1/2 seasons of it rather than this here.
Nuke on the ship, no signs of human life elextronic or visual, not responding to hails. Destroying that ship wouldn't bother me one bit. Heck I'd probably destroy it even if command told me not to.
hmmm, someone should have told the producer. Space isn't like Sky. Fighters with analog instruments like in airplanes are used arround in the 60's. In Space also don't exsits top or down and ships don't get a drift if they got hit...
And this was a Warner Bros. production. WWOR was briefly, although unofficially as PTEN felt like a cable (possibly leaning on being a premium pay TV network) network, more than a broadcast one, was PTEN 9.
Internal battle, and a key action in escaping pursuit. Failure to destroy that ship would have meant destruction of at least some colonial ships and doomed the fleet through exhaustion.
@@assassinenzo1373 If you equalize tech (so it dosnt come down to who gives the most stupid values in canon), I would say the Viper's better maneuverability and range would swing the battle. They would drive off or blow up all the destroyers tie fighters. Between the capital ships, the destroyers shields and firepower, coupled with the fact Galactica's weaponry is mainly focused on anti-kinetic weapon defence, would give it the edge over Galactica, however once the destroyer loses its tie fighter screen, the vipers would make a pass of the destroyer and leave it aflame from stem to stern and reduce it to a smouldering husk in seconds.
@@Debbiebabe69 Doubtful. The Viper's guns are only 30mm cannons, they don't have much penetration. I'd still think SW is going to have the edge here because their tech is so stupidly OPed. Beyond the fact of shields, each turbolaser shot is the equivalent of a BSG nuke considering how turbolasers are also used as planet scorching weapons. BSGs kinetics simply do not have the same energy scale.
Never understood the writing for Starbuck here. Starbuck is a highly trained career military officer and can clearly see how little time there is before the ship reaches nuking distance of the fleet, there is no time to go on board the Olympic and check and first duty is to the fleet, needs of the many over few. They wrote her dumb here to act as an emotional leverage for the scene, thankfully they didn't do it too often.
It's all too easy to second guess decisions, or questions like that when you have the benefit of hindsight the characters couldn't *_possibly_* have had at the time. They had no way to know whether The Olympic Carrier represented a genuine threat, or was just another example of the Cylons screwing with them, trying to bait them into killing their fellow survivors. We should also keep in mind that both pilots, at that point, had not only been awake and dealing with enormous stress and pressure for a dangerously and unhealthily long time, but were also under the influence of stimulants (probably something similar to amphetamine or methamphetamine) which were specifically pointed out to be screwing with their heads. Imagine a sniper (from The FBI's Hostage Rescue Team, or something similar) suddenly being ordered to shoot the hostages that their team was supposed to save. In a more direct comparison, imagine pilots patrolling the airspace around their aircraft carrier who are suddenly ordered to shoot down a stray 747 (which probably still has hundreds of innocent civilians on board), or to sink a passenger liner. You can't honestly expect that someone in that kind of position would ignore their doubts and questions, and obediently pull their trigger, can you? They didn't write her "dumb" - they wrote her human.
@@stickiedmin6508 Oh it was a confirmed threat. Even if they don't kill the carrier having it ram the Galactica is going to get it killed anyway AND destroy the Galactica to boot. And as for your examples, I have to point out that historically there HAVE been cases like that, and quite a lot of them. Go google up airplane shootdowns, the list is long.
For me, this is a great show marred by one glaring problem: VomitVision. The zooming, panning, and shaking of the cameras are usually completely pointless.
This doesn't look much better than Babylon 5 CGI and that was the early 90s. and if you take into consideration "for its time" then B5 blows this away.
Sure, B5 has stood up decently well with the space and exterior shots. But any moments where there's CG used even in the background of a shot with actual actors in it really really aged badly on it. Not trying to knock it for that though, B5 is absolutely one of the sci fi greats.
Ummm, why does a fighter IN SPACE, have an altimeter? I wanna know what altitude they are flying at IN DEEP SPACE!!!! Not to mention a gyroscope....which way is UP in space and how can it tell where the horizon is!?!?
Vipers can function in atmosphere so they need an altimeter... And gravity acts WELL beyond the planet so altitude can be recorded well into deep space. As for the horizon that is a simple one - it is the plane of the galactic disc. This makes a clearly defined Z axis, and 'up' and 'down refer to 'away from' and 'towards' the galactic plane (so when you cross it, up becomes down and vice versa)
