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Dany left because the harpies were only targeting her, not the other people. The longer she stayed the more blood will be spilled, people who are trying to protect her.
The episode with Shireen always makes me think of Cersei's conversation with Oberyn. He said, "We don't hurt little girls in Dorn", and she said, "Everywhere in the world they hurt little girls. And in this episode, we see how true it is. The girls suffer in the Pleasure House in Bravos, Shireen suffers in the North, and Myrcella suffers in Dorn. And they all suffer at the hands of people who are supposed to keep them safe. So sad.
@@kemikemi I ment this episode, when she was dying. In general yeah, she was happy in Dorn, and if Oberyn returned safely from Kings Landing, she'd likely be in no danger. Alas.
Thats just not true. She lost her mother young. Her father treated her like shit and taught her to hate tyrion. Rhaegar rejected her. Robert beat her. The witch gave her a grave prophecy. She was a twin. And all she had was Jamie and her quest for vindication and freedom. Not many people would come out “nice”
@@TheAbominableDrFaustusRamsay made a metacomment about this show and still people were shocked and emotional so many times. That's how good this show was.
One of those "Did they need to show all of what happened" scenes. Not so much the showing of it, but the sound of her screams... Could have played some dark music over that bit instead!
for me, the scene lost a bit of impact because I felt like they were being a bit cheap by adding in that whole Stannis/Shireen heartwarming story just a few episodes back.... It was like they were trying too hard to manipulate us w/ shock value. But imo, it made this scene feel rushed and jarring.
_[[5 1/2 seasons of brutal murder & killing]]_ *Mrs. October: (((horrifically mortified)))* _[[Season 5 finale: Myranda gets thrown off a bridge & falls 25 ft where her head bursts apart]]_ *Mrs. October: “yes. . .YYYESSS!!!!”*
Going into the final 3 seasons, try not to let how others feel about it give you a preconception of the show moving forward. There's a lot to enjoy in them.
This is my own opinion, but it was this episode which let me know that Game of Thrones was *officially* on the downhill slide. Having Theon and Sansa dramatically jump off the tower wall and then not showing the result is some soap opera level nonsense and there's more of that around the corner.
So true.. Although he was a bit away, Drogon probably felt something in his blood that Dany needed him.. on top of it possibly being a bit of Drogo himself in Drogon.. they're connected in a lot of ways.. so makes sense Drogon would come running.
I think there's an interesting way to think of Stannis' mental storyline. Why does he want to be king? He doesn't have any especial yearning for power or glory. The north star of his life is *duty*. He doesn't _want_ to be king to be powerful. He believes, absolutely, that he _must_ be king because Robert is dead, the kids aren't actually his, and therefore the throne is Stannis', period, that's the rules, there isn't any other choice for anyone. And then meanwhile, while he's not inherently a particularly religious person, he's got Melisandre there telling him the One True God, the Lord of Light, not only wants him on the throne, but _needs_ him there to be the Prince that was Promised, to guard against the coming darkness, by all presumptions the White Walkers. So from two different directions, it's his personal Duty to take the throne, and it's the realm's Duty to accept him as king. So anything and anyone that stands in the way of that is automatically evil and must just be destroyed. Anything. And if he comes to having to believe there's some power to be had by sacrificing Shireen, her life is now a thing that's standing between him and What Must Be. And in fact, his _love_ for her, and his desire to protect her, is _also_ a thing that's standing between him and What Must Be. So he _has_ to kill her, and he _has_ to kill his own desire not to kill her, because those things are now themselves part of the evil. Meanwhile, there's also real meaning in his last words there to Brienne. "Do your duty". He didn't love the idea of killing Renly, particularly in that manner, but he felt it was his *duty* to do it. He has to, therefore he must. He doesn't like it, but he doesn't regret it, because it was his duty. So on the one hand, he doesn't feel like he _deserves_ to die for it, but at the same time, he absolutely understands that it's her _duty_ to kill him for it. And so how says it; "Do your duty". Not defiantly, or angrily, or dismissively. Just a plain, straightforward recognition that *Duty.* *Is*. *Everything.* And if it's your duty, then right, wrong, desire, feelings, mercy.... none of that can be allowed to apply. It's your duty. You have to do it. No matter what it costs anybody else, or you. It's your duty.
he could, but he'd have to survive the battle and go all the way back to castle black (or have shireen come to him) idk, feels like grrm would have to go out of his way to have that happen. maybe she dies as a result of the conflict in castle black and stannis turns 100% evil
He could definitely do it, but it would most likely have to be to do with "the others" as she's at the wall. Wife and Melissandre are more likely culprits at the current part of the story.
12:50 No, Shireen and her mother stayed with some household guards in Castle Black and the batte for Winterfell hasn't happened yet. We don't know what'll happen to them after Jon got stabbed though
The Dumb and Dumber said that allegedly GRRM told them this happens to Shirin. But it had not happened yet. And knowing what I know, even if thats true, it will have a lot more context and better story telling.
@@lynnjohanssen6552 that could make a lot of sense. I can't remember the faction that the baratheon guards at the wall belong to but if they are queen's men they could very much go along with it
@@izattyu6863 I disagree about it being better storytelling. A story written is better than nothing at all. :) Or do you still hold out hope he will finish the books? That sounded more confrontational than I meant. My ire is directed at Martin, not you.
As much as I hate myself for thinking this, the Realm would probably be better off if Tywin was alive to help Tommen. Like, come on Tommen, bail your wife and Mom outta jail bud.
Tommen is a-BOY-king with no training or experience being a true king,his personality is much different from his older brother-Joffery-he knew what power he had and did almost everything he wanted to do.All tho Joffery got checked a couple times by Tyrion and his father Tywin.
The only Lannisters really best for the crown are Tyron and Tywin in the entire show >.> Joffrey, Cersei, Tommon, even Jaimie, don't think any of them are fit for the crown. Tyrion and Tywin could rule together and do a damn good job at it.
5x9 is one of the most horrible atrocities ever in this series. Absolute evil. That poor girl. Also having to wait for a year for the next season after that ending when the show was running was torture!!
It is a horrible atrocity to Stannis' character, aye. Because Stannis WOULD NEVER burn his daughter. In the books he orders his men to put Shireen onto the throne in case anything happens to him, he tells all the Lord of Light worshippers to shut the hell up because there will be no more burnings. Stannis will never do it. Stannis is someone who would break before he bends. He will never ever let a bit of snow justify burning his daughter. This is the same man who shared rats with his starving men, holding out against 100,000 men camped outside his walls with a couple hundred. Stannis would never burn his daughter.
@@sultanofsultans The show bungled the scene by rushing it and being cheap by purposefully inserting a "daughter I love you" scene in 5x4.... But Stannis WILL be the one to burn Shireen in the books. GRRM is already quoted in James Hibberds (of Entertainment Weekly) "Fire Cannot Kill a Dragon" behind the scenes book. This is Georges quote from the book: " It wasn’t easy for me. I didn’t want to give away my books. It’s not easy to talk about the end of my books. Every character has a different end. I told them who would be on the Iron Throne, and I told them some big twists like Hodor and “hold the door,” and Stannis’s decision to burn his daughter. We didn’t get to everybody by any means. Especially the minor characters, who may have very different endings." He specifically says STANNIS's decision. Context matters though, and the books will build up months & months of starvation and desperation.. They won't be using a stupid "ramsay 20 good men" shortcut to rush it in 1 damn episode.... The scene literally loses all power if Melisandre or someone else just randomly does it without Stannis being the one to order it though. Would be the biggest cop out.
@@starsimvidzlmao Stannis is literally away from her and commanded his men to put her on the throne. It is not happening. As usual show idiots screwed things up.
@@Cream-2128 That quote is literally from GRRM... Its a quote HE GAVE To Hibberd. But go on, keep smoking that copium.. The battle between Stannis & the boltons could go on for almost the entirety of TWOW...A book that will likely be 1500 pages of manuscript... plenty of time for Shireen to somehow make it to Stannis's camp.... But it doesn't matter cuz GRRM has lost the plot and will never finish. The narrative is so wildly bloated that he destroyed it.
@@Cream-2128 ummm... did u not see the part where I quoted GRRMs own words... Those are HIS words he gave to James Hibberd... I didn't make it up. And without a damn book, its the closest thing we will ever get to an answer. The stannis vs bolton battle is going to be a massive set piece that could take the entire book to wrap up... more than enough time for characters to be moved around the map lmao.... Too bad GRRM turned out to be a pretty lousy writer who let his own story bloat up & implode on itself.
Awesome I can now start my S5 binge! At the start of e1&2 video... Mr October: "this show can't get any crazier" oh boy I'm going to enjoy the next few hours hahaha
Mrs. O gets the giggles like I do!! 😂😂😂. This is definitely one of the absolute hardest episodes to watch 😭 I think it made us all sick to our stomachs and enraged. I knew you would eventually change your tune about Stanis, we all did too.
One thing I do like about the book is of course that you can get inside characters heads - in the book it is expressed time and time again that Cersei is the most beautiful woman in the seven kingdoms. I think in the show we hear Tywin say that, But in the books, it is a commonly held opinion. However, now she is aging, and a woman’s value in Westeros is very much tied to her beauty and her womb. She has heightened insecurities about this, and by the time this happens to her and she is made to be naked in front of everyone it’s purely humiliating and humbling. She spends the entire walk, trying not to cry because her father never cried in public, and when she finally fails at the end and breaks down, it’s a really big deal.
Seasons 5 and 6 still have redeeming qualities and some of the best episodes of the series, especially 6. It’s 7 & 8 when the writing falls off a cliff.
Myrcella's death is the embodiment of GoT for me. We go from complete happiness, Myrcella acknowledged Jaime as her father, to sheer terror in the blink of an eye.
S6 is so awesome. In fact, you will be introduced to a new character who's actress you've probably seen before, but to say anymore would be a spoiler. Not for the story, just the reaction of seeing her.
Stannis is consumed by ‘Duty’ & ultimately corrupted by it, remember as a younger man he was willing to starve to death to hold Storms End because it was his duty.
24:00 Mrs October, you explain perfectly here why Stannis will never burn his daughter in the books 26:20 And that is why Stannis would never burn in the books. He only burns cannibals to get the magic from Melisandre. But he won't burn because half of his army are Northern who want to fight the Boltons and found the courage to rise up when Stannis came. RIP the character of Stannis. The actor did a great job. Funnily enough, he did not understand the turn Stannis took so he did not like doing his job. He did his duty. What a Stannis thing to do.
Hey guys! Some non-spoiler FYI: The first time Dany felt very distressed (after she executed that one guy and turned the crowd against her), Drogon came and checked on her. He saw she was fine so he flew off again to play and explore. This episode, Dany was again very distressed. In comes Drogon. He took some heavy punishment from those spears, but he was prepared to stay and fight to the death for Dany. Dany knew the only way to save Drogon and her was to hop on so they could escape. Drogon took Dany to what looked like a place he had been staying. Wounded from the fight, Drogon wanted nothing else but to rest.
Those of us who watched originally had to wait one long excruciating year to find out what happens in the aftermath of Jon’s death. I’m glad you don’t have to wait as long.
Maisie was in NY premiere night of Season 6 and she posted she wanted to watch the epi with some random fans. She picked some film school students. They thought someone was joking with them until they answered door, and there's Maisie with a arm full of snacks. She appeared on James Cordon and was all British with her they had a charming flat and I had a lovely time. James said this is a good way to get killed! I'm sure Maisie had someone go with her and let people know where she was and when to expect her return. Very nice and down to earth thing for her to do!
I absolutely love Maisie. You should see her on Diary of a CEO. Heart wrenching & inspiring. First guest Steven ever got up and hugged. October's, don't watch yet because I can't remember if there are any spoilers. I will remind you when it's near the end.
@@marybrown6128 I have not checked recently but her appearance on James Cordon where he was chastising her for her big heart was on youtube.at one time
The Stannis & Brienne scene originally had more dialogue but they cut it here it is BRIENNE: “Do you have any last words?”Stannis considers.STANNIS: “Do you believe in the life to come?”Brienne nods.STANNIS: “I don’t. But if I’m wrong, and you’re right… tell Renly I’m sorry when you get there. I don’t imagine I’ll see him wherever I’m going. (beat) And my daughter. Tell her… tell her…”“Sorry” doesn’t begin to cover what he feels about Shireen. The thought of it brings tears to his eyes, and he’s not going to die weeping in front of a woman he doesn’t know. Stannis stares up at her.STANNIS: “Go on. Do your duty.”Brienne raises her sword and brings it down with a mighty swing."
Jon was letting wildlings in not because of emotion, my dude, but because it's more people to fight against the white walkers and less to become the army of the dead. Wildlings actually know and believe he is right about the army of dead, while the southern armies and even some people in the night's watch and the North don't. It was the correct decision, but a tough one because of their history.
Regarding Drogon and his refusal to move: he was injured in the arena in Meereen. He was hit multiple times with lances, he flew her back to his "lair" (you can see the charred bones of his previous meals), and he's recovering from his wounds. Also, Daenerys has kinda bonded with him, but definitely does not control him.
Don't worry October's, here in Massachusetts when I was young we'd find the highest places to jump into the deep snow. The kids here these days don't see near the snow we did in the 70's& 80's
The septa saying, "Confess," is played by Hannah Waddington, who went on to play Rebecca on _Ted Lasso._ There is a cute video of her and Lena Headey meeting on the street one time.
In the Book Stannis leaves his Wife, daughter and the Red Woman at the wall with The Nights watch, while he is posted up outside the westside of Winterfell with the mountain Clans of the North, and has captured Asha(Yara) from Deepwood Motte and her brother Theon while transporting the Bastard of Bolton's wife "Arya" to the wall. All are alive.
Lol. Sometimes I wonder what show you guys be watching. ‘What’s wrong with Drogon? Maybe he misses his brothers!’. Or…it could be the various stab wounds from numerous spears that were inflicting upon him last episode before he carried a full-grown human on his back for the first time in his life. Either or!😂
will the gall never stop. Let them enjoy the show without your casual and no-stakes criticisms. You two are naturals and lovely people, hope you don’t take in any of this bs in lol
My theory about Shireen is that she is going to be burned as part of a desperation ritual at Castle Black. Now....if this is going to work or not.....and if Stannis is going to be there or not, I feel not. Shireen stayed at Castle Black in the book. She did not go with the army and her father. I can see Mel being at Castle Black after Jon is killed. Having also bad news from Stannis I can see Mel going desperate and all in. No idea if Stannis will be there to watch. I think not because desperation will come in part due to lack of knowing about Stannis. The mother, will most likely be present and might well have last minute second thoughts about burning her daughter!
So many people believe that Stannis won't have a hand in Shireen's death because they are not in the same place. But I think a letter will be sent to Melisandre from Stannis to do it. And that is the real purpose of the Pink Letter...to introduce the idea of untrustworthy letters, so that we can never be sure if either letter was actually sent from Stannis or not.
@@kennyhudson9201 I tend to think the pink letter is going to tell Castle Black that Stannis is desperate or on the brink of defeat. Possibly calling for reinforcements. Saying that if the Wall cant march someone south Stanis is doomed. Given that Jon Snow is dead. This is going to kick Melisandre into full desperation. And yes, there will be a question if the letter is indeed true or not. But Melisandre will end up making Jon live again. Because only life pays for life. It might even be that Melisandre will be trying to kill Bolton´s or produce a new demon baby with Shireen´s sacrifice. But it will end up waking up Jon.
I had to go look at pictures of the actress that played Shireen after this episode. It helped to see her happy, alive, and in the real world. She broke my heart with her portrayal. It doesn't get easier with multiple times seeing it. Jon's death was just brutal and so undeserved. We were devastated as were most the fans. I swear I heard yelling in our neighborhood that night - unreal. We had to wait a whole year or more for the next season. It was HARD.
You are the favorite Movie reactors of my daughter and I. We love everything about you guys, including you deep love for each other. we love Game of Thrones so much, I bet we have seen it at least 10 or 15 times. The story is so deep, it's easy to miss the little things. Please don't worry about eating snacks. We all do it, we've even had dinner watching you many times.Keep up the wonderful work. We adore you guys.
I’m having takeout from a franchise call Edo Japan. I’m having their pot stickers along with one of their dishes named Sukiyaki beef. It’s basically shredded beef over steamed vegetables and rice smothered in a sweet secret sauce.
The show did Stannis dirty. In the books he loves Shireen and directs Davos to make her Queen if he falls in battle. He would not burn Shireen in the books, though I think someone else might in order to bring Jon back. Stannis is not with Shireen at this point in the books, and he is the only "king" or leader besides Jon who understands that the WW are coming and are the biggest threat to the realm. He believes he has to get the throne so that he will have the power and resourcces to save the realm from the WW. He believes it's his absolute duty to save the people from this threat, it's not just some blind ambition for the throne.
Could you imagine being killed in probably the most painful way possible and your parents just watching? The only people in the world who are supposed to protect you? Having your last thoughts being “I truly have no one in this world who loves me” it’d be horrible.
Stannis hasn't fully marched on Winterfell yet. He's posted up on the other side of a frozen lake in the books, currently. The sacrifice of Stannis's daughter is only in the show at the moment.
wow what a powerful reaction again! Thank you for this!! - as for Cersei's atonement - just remember the scene for later - as for Jon's death - really hyped for all the next reactions to everything that will be connecting to this!
I wish viewers wouldn’t tell people to not get too invested in characters, it’s like telling your kid “don’t let yourself love your romantic partner bc you’re probably gonna break up” lol. If you dont get attached to characters than when they die it doesn’t hit as hard emotionally as it’s meant to
Man, part of me wants to feel sorry for Cercei because that type of thing should happen to no one, but then I remember that all happened because of her, and how she wanted to stick it to the Tyrells. If that were Loras or Margery she would be smiling the whole time. Ollie is the only person there that was sort of justified, based on what happened to his family. If you want to mess your head up anymore, think about how he may not have done that if Sam hadn't told Ollie that sometimes a man has to do what he knows is right, even if it seems wrong to others. Sam inadvertently set this off. Inadvertently as in can't read the room.
What I eat depends on what time I watch the reaction. If it's at 4am after I get home from work, it's ALWAYS popcorn. If it's like now, around noon, after I wake up, it's whatever lunch is that day. After I watch a reaction or two, it's time for computer games until work time. LOL. It's way easier eating watching a reaction than when mashing the keyboard. I think that song Tyrell was singing was a dirty song. "Give me a kiss along the "Long Canal. Down by salty town?" LOL.
One thing about dragons is they do what they want, how they want & when they want to. she has some control over them but not entirely. but even at that it’s not control they just have a sense of loyalty to her.
In this episode it becomes obvious that Shireen's mother constantly talked about how great the lord of light is because she was trying to talk herself into it and probably also to keep up the facade and not being burned like other non believers including her own family members killed by Stannis in season 2., Stannis was a true believer all along, he never felt the need to outwardly show his beliefs or to prove himself.
All of the lines that Stannis says in the books goes against him being responsible for burning her. I can see Mel and the mother doing it, but Stannis tells his men that if he dies in battle to fight to put shireen on the throne. That scene pissed me off because I love Stannis. Especially who he became from the end of a storm of swords onward
The first time I saw this episode I got up from my seat and said I don't watch this show anymore, the same when I saw the red wedding I felt very sad. I love their reactions and the relationship they have, they are the best.
Haha nice catch on the kiss and the poison... As for Arya and the whole faceless men thing you guys really just gotta read the book...it's way better especially with Arya worging into a cat while she blind so she can see... ect
Shireen: "brothers fought brothers" I think that hit Stannis hard because of how he fought against his own brothers. Both Robert and Renly. And what he felt he had to do.. :( so horrible.
I'm so happy Mrs October caught the fact, half Stans remaining army was on the retreat once he pulled his sword out. She saw it first time as I did. Literally said close to the exact same thing my first watch. Had to rewind it four times before my gf realised why I said that.
When Danearys was in the field with Drogon and y'all were wondering what's wrong with him...remember he was just stabbed by a bunch of spears all over the place in that arena not too long ago. He's injured.
Book readers always complained when the show did stuff different from the books because they lost their smug face when they didn’t know what was going to happen. The show was still great when it passed the booked. Just the final season was a little rushed but still hit the plot points R R Martin was going to put in the book and that was their real gripe, that the show was spoiling the story of unwritten books.
Lmao no they just know the plot is stupid. Just like Ramsay 20 good men bit or the whole Dorne plot. The show became about cool looking scenes and plots all over the place. The later seasons still have moments and is worth watching but just stop with only the last season was bad. Season 6 literally set the tone for season 8 make everything look cool even though it makes absolutely no sense at all.
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