Motherboard VRMs As Fast As Possible 

little did he know back then (RTX edition)

@@rens3286 Little will know the next $2000 RTX 2nd Gen xD

@@Jack_Sparrow131 think about how good of a deal the current rtx will be for just 1200 dollars 😅

When high midrange cards cost 400$

@@Jack_Sparrow131 2nd gen RTX will either be the same price or cheaper than 1st gen. It makes no sense to be more expensive as it will lock away lower end systems and new technology gets cheaper over time.

Lmao he did it again

@@GunnrMan Lol

Lmao

His voice and personality also feels a bit different

That's the cheapest price for a graphics cards now a days.

You still can, its just not gonna be a relevant generation. Unless you bought a Radeon 7, you know, that card that literally everyone on youtube said was a poop fire. Say you bought two of them. Then say Ethereum just happens to be really easy to mine on one. So you *sell it for 3 times what you paid for it, 3 years later, to some scalper sack of poop* and use the money for the vastly superior 6900XT? take that, tech tubers.

Fast forward to now that cards are back to msrp!

not Asus at all

@@REVOLUTIONS51 r/woosh

Doublers have been a thing for quite some time, my msi 390x uses doubler on the vrm. And I might add, its still good. Also the vrm, vrm cooling and memory cooling (on the gpu) are some of the most overlooked things when shopping for pc parts, asus and xfx are the worst offenders sometimes not even giving any cooling to the memory or vrm. People only focus on the core temps

@@LocalAutist and VRM temps are the least critical things to worry about, about as important as overclocking your cache. They typically will run pretty hot, like, 160F. unless you're hitting like 90c idle, passive airflow is enough. but just to be safe, fill your case with mineral oil. do it.

Is there some way to tell, by looking at it (or .. ?) what it _actually_ is?

Linus have time travel machine conformed

Lol

wccftech.com/amd-zen-cpu-core-block/

how is that funny? something new comes out every 1-2 years

@@dynamo3059 you dumb mate?

+Hardware Unboxed

Reading this comment while waiting for more official Benchmarks

@@-.2.. Reading this reply while looking longingly at the R5 3600's box waiting for the case so I can build the damn thing.

@@deus_ex_machina_ Reading this reply while admiring my completed build with a 3800x

Reading this comment while waiting for my 3900x / MSI PRESTIGE CREATION / 2080 Ti MSI GAMING X TRIO 11gb to be delivered

@@The777Musician Reading this comment while owning a 3700x and waiting for b550 mobos to come to complete my system.

Gigabyte likes putting chokes on their boards

@@petersmulders8058 the proper term is "inductor". I mean, it can be _used as a choke_ as in, decoupling high frequencies from low and blocking them but letting low-pass through. just like a transistor can be used as a logic gate, a choke, a switch, and a diode and probably at least 1-3 more things I can't remember off the top of my head. When a transistor blocks current flow in one direction, they don't suddenly become "diodes" Oh, me? I'm Life of the party, nice to meet ya.

hahaahaa

HIS PENIS HAIR ALSO GROW

+HaPpy SKYWALKER grew*

he went Super Tech

time travel hahahaha

Not just you, happening to me too, Guess RU-vid had a hiccup.

did linus just ddos me? no way m8.

same

Me too, got loading icon at that point. It's not April Fools is it?

Same

+oddball0045 some ics have mosfets integrated.

+oddball0045 Most MOSFETs on motherboards are not just discrete transistors, they're usually built into a larger IC that also contains drive circuitry. Here's an example of the MOSTFETs used on recent Asus motherboards: www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/CSD87350Q5D/296-28318-1-ND/2615905 You can see the large metal areas used for the large currents of the MOSFET and to remove heat... And all the other pins are for the other circuitry inside. Although, you're probably right, the pictures were not of a MOSFET nor a FET controller, just a random IC.

Guilherme Eduardo Carvalho yeas

This video was almost as dumbed down as their episode on SIM cards...

and the diode(s)?

​@@DLTX1007 diode (in this context) is kinda provocative question: in usual buck converters they serve to let (main) current pass where it needs to go once switch is open. but here you have (smaller) diodes that indeed filter something: www.maketecheasier.com/assets/uploads/2018/07/what-is-a-vrm-multi-phase-vrm-schematic.png.webp

@@DLTX1007 en.wikichip.org/w/images/thumb/d/d8/P6X58D_Premium_vrm_detailed.png/800px-P6X58D_Premium_vrm_detailed.png well, they filter something out, don't they? i mean the snubber/flyback diodes upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/BackEMFWaveform.png upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/FlybackWaveform.gif or these accidental diodes inside mosfet case toshiba.semicon-storage.com/ap-en/semiconductor/knowledge/faq/mosfet/is-it-ok-to-use-the-body-diode-parasitic-diode-between-the-drain.html

​@@DLTX1007 ​ don't get too excited or offensive, my young man: 1-i introduced diodes to this discussion where you mentioned none -> good thing! there indeed are some diodes here, be it parasitic or discrete....or both! hehe ...so the lesson is that both "old fashioned" buck converters have them, as do cpu vrms. 2-what is the definition of filter in electronics? also knowing that, protection from switching aside(which in itself is filtering voltage spikes), fast switching produces noise. oh yeah, regarding your first post: why did you call inductor a (part of) filter(ing network) here? hehe...what exactly is inductor "filtering" in this circuit? talking about semantics...oughm... if you're bored, here photos.app.goo.gl/7n1SYcfJD1TiKvC58 reverse engineer that... ~ denotes mains voltage points.

+Tomshwom what?

+Guilherme Eduardo Carvalho DC stands for direct current. DC current is redundant.

James Parker Oh

+Guilherme Eduardo Carvalho Direct Current current

+Tomshwom you can take your RAS syndrome and deal with it. at an ATM machine with its fancy LCD displays that you enter your PIN number into, which turns out to be connected only to a LAN network. might as well update the DOS system. but what if it doesn't POST test successfully? may need to get an RMA authorization, though you'll have to find its UPC code and S/N number. you might be able to fix it by downloading more RAM memory.

THIS !

Is there some way to tell, by looking at it (or .. ?) what it _actually_ is?

+TheLawnWanderer yes but its better if you get a 12 phase mb that performs worse than some 8 phase than getting something that dies with a turbo boost overclock

TheFPSPower A 12 phase motherboard might be better yeah, but 12-16 phase stuff is overkill for anything but LN2.

+TheLawnWanderer He was sponsored by Intel in many videos. He just forgets to declare it every video, on accident...

+Yew Tewb That's what happened when you stick with a single company in a long time. Now when he's talking about something that related to Intel, even in a non sponsored video, he will talk about Intel.

***** Only Intel+Nvidia builds, except when he can't control it, like when his child builds the PC.

+Chcrane all do nothing internally on youtube. obviously if a video has more dislikes than likes people might not watch it before it even starts. but you dont get more money or anything for likes/dislikes/comments

+EZOVERDOSE Except that's wrong. Likes/dislikes in the new RU-vid systems alongside ENGAGEMENT (algorithm using your time spent on a video, comments, etc.) improves your chances to be featured and recommended by RU-vid's search, which in turns mean increasing your audience. Back in the day, the algorithm relied entirely upon views and country (this is precisely how pewdiepie got big in the first place; he cheated the system because he got plastered all over the searches for different countries). Nowadays it's more complicated than that due to repeated abuse. Take for instance RU-vid commenting system after they implemented Google+. Have you noticed how the most "liked" comment aren't necessarily the ones that get displayed on RU-vid videos? They take into account engagement as well as "likes," but just because one of the comments is heavily "disliked" doesn't mean it can't appear on the front page of the video, quite the contrary--depending on the people's engagement it may even get streamlined into the front page every single time.

m8onethousand likes/dislikes/comments do not directly earn you more money through monetization is what i meant. it may indirectly affect it by everything that you said. but dollar per view ratio is not affected. if a video gets 1000 views 1000 dislikes no comments it makes the same money as a video with 1000 views 1000 likes and 1000 comments. assuming no one used adblock and all the same ads were ran which are both unrealistic. you get paid per ad seen or clicked not per view or like or comment

+Chcrane I'd rather want a video where I'm not asked to like if I want another video about something else to be made. I'll click like on this video if I like this video.

increase the position of the video when you search something on the lines of the title

lol yeah just skip a bit and it works fine

Exactly, it's better to count the mosfets.. 2 mosfets per phase.. Even then it doesn't make any difference because the quality of components is what matters.. If you want, you can read and search data sheets of all the components and know quite a bit about electronics to know what you are dealing with..

Even if you count the mosfets you're not really counting phases. I can't think of a single "8-phase" VRM on a current motherboard that isn't just a doubled 4-phase.

@@GonePh1shing there's properly doubled VRMs (IR359X/ISL661X/etc) and then ...setups with 2x the mosfets. also, X399 and it seems X299 (and some gens older than when i started paying attention) have REAL 8 phases. check out Ye Olde VRM Bibles at hardwareluxx

The 3950X is extremely efficient though.

10980xe*

@OLDSKOOL978 lies. If you have a Threadripper 3990x you would not use it for gaming and which idiot would use 64 cores for gaming. secondly it is almost impossible for that thing to hit below 63 degrees with all core turbo 4 Ghz

@OLDSKOOL978 OK ok thanks for the evidence. But back to AMD, their CPUs smash every workload at god speed. In premiere my 3950x crushed the workload at god speeds while doing 8k editinf

@OLDSKOOL978 They have scaled it down, it's called ryzen 5/7. You can still get 4.4Ghz on them, and how many cores are OC'd on your TR?

mine works to 1:58. what is going on?

Same here it makes it to 1:58, but then freezes. i suspect Graphics Issues...

What?!? I just flew past that part.No issues here even though I have like a GTX 730.

***** it comes pre rendered, your cpu only plays back the still frames in 30 or 60 fps to make it look like its a moving picture

***** you obviously dont know shit about video streaming, The videos are pre-rendered and your computer recieves the frames from youtube and buffer them to display them on screen at the correct time

Then everyone clapped

XD sad times

+Juan Escobar same here o.o

me too

Same... I wonder why.

Thought the same lol

happens to me too

same here, what the f...?

same for me (germany) seems like a part of the video is cirrupted ... it works fine from 2:03 again

da fuq, same

yep, didn't even know that was possible.. Its broken in both chrome and firefox.

You can have really great GPU for 400$ in 2024. Like a 7700XT or a used 7800XT.

Thank you. That was very informative.

Whats starts with "A" and ends with Attention Seeker.

+Sam Smella AAttention Seeker

+Sam Smella You had one job.

I'm so sick of these retarded potato jokes... HURR DURR POTATOES ARE SO FUNNY AND RANDOM

don't give me electricity

You mean before you were born? lol

@@steel6322 well, I was born in 2000 lol.

+Daryl Miller Linus Pec tips

+Stephen Shaw (Undeadmac) That's gold

+Daryl Miller linus hard tips

+Daryl Miller why do you say that?

+Stephen Shaw (Undeadmac) Lmfao

Doesn't phase refer to the slight time offset of the square waves created by the controller? If so isn't it the right term to use?

Its not due for release until 2016. basically all we know is its gonna be SMT like intel (better single core performance) and it's going to be about 40% better than the existing CPU's AMD has now.

+xFreeland1 When I said fast I didn't think that fast, lol. Thanks for the info, glad to see they left Bulldozer behind. I'll never understand why they didn't just shrink Phenom.

+20teamplayer They are probably already in production testing now, but they still didn't offer that much information about the architecture itself, just some specs and features. The best desktop CPU will have 8 physical and 8 virtual cores with a maximum TDP rating (specified heat output) of 95 W and it is suspected that they will implement a technology to have one thread processed on all cores simultaneously if needed. The server CPUs will have up to four wafers on one Die, so a total of 32 physical cores + 32 virtual cores. The performance per core is suspected to be 60% higher compared to their latest CPU architecture used in their APUs and those already made a big jump from Piledriver. The performance desktop CPUs will be codenamed "Summit Ridge". There will be PCIe-3.0-controllers on the chip together with a memory controller capable of running DDR3 and DDR4 (probably dual-channel for consumer CPUs/APUs and quad-channel ECC for server CPUs). Each core will have 512 KB of L2 cache and each pack of 4 cores will have access to 8 MB of L3 cache, that's a total of 20 MB cache for the 8 core CPUs, 19 MB for the 6 cores and 10 MB or 18 MB for the 4 cores, depending on how AMD will cut the resources of the chip. The 8 core will compete against the Skylake i7 6700K, the 6 core against the i5 6600K and the 4 core against the i3 6320. It will be an interesting race, especially because I can't remember when it was the last time AMD and Intel had the same structure size for their competing architectures. A Phenom III architecture with 22nm structure size, 8 cores and SMT instead of Bulldozer would've been nice indeed, especially because it's easier and cheaper to upgrade an existing architecture, which already performs well, than creating new bullshit from scratch and trying to optimize it later on.

Razor Blade Thank you for the info. I thought it was 40% improvement, and that is the theoretical max. Not bashing it, just being realistic. Real would is almost never near theoretical. Here's hoping, this is AMD's last chance.

20teamplayer You're right, they changed it again when Excavator was released. It was +60% compared to Steamroller, +40% compared to Excavator. AMD also stated that they will be able to fill the gap between the recent architecture and Skylake in terms of instructions per clock with Zen. It's still not clear by how much it will really be filled, but, as far as the specs look like, Zen will take great advantage from the performance optimizations Intel has paid many software developers for, without the need of changing the code. Coming closer to an architecture the software is actually developed for plus more raw performance than their counterparts will definitely make them more competitive. Atleast, this is the theory...

skill cap of starcraft > skill cap of any other game

+joe chu but is it a good thing though? it's not healthy in the long run, people stop playing it and it is very hard for new players to get in, it makes the community die out sometime in the near future

+joe chu wise words

same

and its the bluescreen part XD

Nanomachines, son.

Well their track record isn't too great...

well the current gen amd chips eat more power than their intel competitors(im looking at you 9590)

+1250nick That's a very tame way to put it, and might I add it's been much longer than just the current generation.

+1250nick You do know it has been a few years right?AMD hasn't released a CPU...obviously the newer CPUs consume less than the CPUs before

+DavisSgt if you compare amd processors with intel processors that perform similarly, you'll find that amd tends to eat just a little more power. compare something like the fx 6300 to any i3, or fx 8350 to the i5-2xxx, 3xxx or 4xxx series(both of these comparisons are at similar pricepoints and performance) the amd chips would eat more power. google it if you dont believe me. amd these days only beat power consumption when you're using am1 or fm series processors with the iGPU for gaming

It's nice to know that I'm not the only EE around here.

+pezco. ASUS Crosshair Formula-Z might be a good choice.

+pezco. I have a Gigabyte 970A-DS3P (I'm on a budget) and it has always been super-stable. It supports overclocking on my FX8350. It is DDR3 and USB3.0 with solid state capacitors and dual UEFI BIOS but has no onboard video. The only downside now is that I have just installed an MSI R9 270X graphics card, which is PCIe 3.0 whereas the board is PCIe 2.0.

+pezco. I had an Asrock 990FX Killer for awhile before I jumped to skylake. Pushed my FX 6200 to 4.7 stable with 1.4v. Wasn't a bad board. Wish I wasn't too pussy to mess with voltages while I had the Sabertooth 990FX, maybe I could have gotten a bit further.

+Jonathan Peden That last bit isn't really a con. Graphics cards still have not reached a point where they get bottleneck'd by PCIe 2.0 even running at x8.

Jak Well that just cheered me up, thanks! What I forgot to mention about my mobo is that it refuses to detect Samsung mechanical HDDs - I did some compatibility research and it seems it only likes Seagate and WD drives, so I got a WD (I needed more space anyway). Samsung 850 EVO SSD' work perfectly though...bloody computers :-)

Not so long now

+Dan L He's literally saying that the grass is blue. For starters MOSFET's do not deliver anything related to VOLTAGE. They are just switching ON and OFF with the PWM applied to their gates (hence the term switch mode power supply) in order to deliver CURRENT! Chokes do not stabilize anything. They form a low-pass filter (with the capacitor) so that the output is restored back to DC (from PWM). Sometimes the filter is also called a reconstruction filter. They should really get a technical editor with some degree of electronics education.

+Ventsislav Simonov You must be new to LinusSponsoredTips....

+Dan L None of these guys have the credentials to be able to talk about these kinds of things. It's more like "Linus Wikipedia gloss over tips." tips. The amount of incorrect terminology and explanations is a nightmare. He should stick to reviews.

TDP has nothing to do with this video and why would he say something as specific as that? That's just a weird thing for you to comment about.

Dude ... They do both.. No sudden peak in voltage , no sudden drop in voltage. Zener Diodes just prevents peak over some specific voltage and shorts the circuit before getting your CPU fired. Polyresetable fuse is used these days.