Mick is nailing it, by the time Kickstart is on its first chorus Vince is knackered. Timing is out, can’t get the words out…. He’s done, meanwhile Mick, who has a debilitating disease is holding it all together. This guy is Crue 🤘
Yes I agree, even with the click I believe it wouldn't be easy for anybody to concentrate on playing the guitar in time (but Mick does very well!) when Vince is singing so off or behind the beat ;-) Sorry Vince :-/ But these girls are in pretty good shape :-P
He's carrying them on this video. He has his disability, is how much older than them, and they still can't keep up with his playing? What's the rest of the bands excuses - no spine desease, younger, etc and they STILL have to use backing tracks to keep the songs together! F*ckin' pathetic. #teammick @mr.mickmarrs
Hearing this just makes me feel more depressed about the state of Motley Crue's live performances. Vince is still able enough to put in a much better effort, but just can't be fucked trying. Meanwhile Mick has been suffering from a degenerative disease that causes him severe physical pain right from the start of the band, and he kept on top of his game to the absolute best of his abilities right up until he left.
@@hardyhardyha5767I sincerely think if they strapped his feet to the stage so he couldn't move around he'd do fine. He's still so out of shape that just walking across the stage leaves him out of breath. It's embarrassing.
@@Tattdgoose this seems different to me and I could be wrong. I've heard a lot of IEM mixes and, of course, every musician wants what they want in their mix and they can be weird. But this just feels like he doesn't want anything to do, or at least very little to do, with the band onstage vibe.
Mick Mars guitar playing can’t be faked. His guitar tone and his guitar skills and rig are insane. Sounded insane and spot on. I saw him live in Chula Vista. His guitar solo alone melted my face off.
Mick's playing is spot on and killer. And that guitar tone is just 🔥🔥🔥. This does not sound like a musician that needed to be "propped up " as Sixx claims.
Very interesting stuff..Mick tearing it up..at 70 years old with a debilatating disease.!!.So cool to hear the song title, count offs that Mick heard. Too bad he had to hear any of Vince.
Metronome..with a Lil bit of Vince...lyrics might help him in a brain fart situation... He plays live..unlike the rest..Vince sings over his own studio recordings..Sixx..is all tape..I think Lee is to...Funny the 2 guys that make up the tone the sound are at least trying to play live...Well Mick is..Vince kida does 😂 CRUE CRUE CRUE CRUE CRUE...LET IT GO BOYZ. .MOTLEY IS DONE...IMO ANY OF THE 4 LEAVE ITS OVER..
@@kevinknight8889 No, I could hear Tommy Lee going off time several times. If Lee is wearing in ears that’s a sad statement. Our guys at church are like clockwork with clicks. There should be no reason to be off time when you have as many years invested as him.
@@mississippisnowplowthere's a few reasons a drummer might use a click. There's preprogrammed lighting and backing vocal tracks (at least during the chorus on "Girls"). The band needs to be playing at the exact tempo for those to match up perfectly. Clicks aren't always (and usually aren't) a timekeeping crutch.
Mick Mars, the oldest in the group, the only one with a crippling disease, and the only one who still played live till he took a step back. He literally carried a band for 40 years that relied on theatrics.
Mick always seemed like the odd guy out in Motley Crue. Vince, Nikki and Tommy were always wrapped up in their bro-ship and Mick was always the consummate guitar god. He is up there with Jimmy Page in my rating of who has the most signature riffs. He gave them musical credibility with his guitar sound. Otherwise they just look like a bunch of ridiculous old guys trying to act like they are still 25. Pathetic.
@@billybee3423saw interviews of him and he is genuine and down to earth. He is also a very underrated guitarist and has his own sound with an immense guitarbtone
Holy shit... All these years and I had no idea Mick was this damn good. The tone and pacing is next level. It must feel like TAKING CRAZY PILLS when you are the only musician in the band and yet the band is united against you. Click track had me cracking up especially with the "1 2 3.. Start" inserts because the rest of the band is so dogshit you never know where you are going
Team Mick !!! This was actually quite interesting. I think I'd have to have at least a little bit of the "pre-recorded bass and drum" tracks fed through just to make sure I didn't get lost. The click track is kind of hypnotizing if you let it. I'm guessing someone close to the band let this leak out, so whomever it was, thanks.....Proves a point Mick's fkn kicking ass.. and Holy shit that guitar Tone....
@@johanlundkvist515 Yeah, that's the click track. Like a metronome, all band members will have that piped into their in-ears. It's like the foundation that they all build their tracks on top of. It's so they know where they are at all times in the tempo.
@@Jaggerbush excuse you? Mick is the sound, the music, and is why you know Motley Crue when you hear it. Additionally, ol Nicolas Suxx is a blowhard, every hear 6am? nothing like the crue, ever hear Micks solo dabble that he did a few years ago? total rock like original MC. Sixx talks like he is the brain, if it wasnt for Mick, we wouldnt know who motley crue was/is except another 80's flash in the pan band.
Mick may not be a shredder, but his tone and musicality is fantastic. His ability to write songs with groove and aggression is top notch. At his age he can still play and sound great. God bless Mick.
On the contrary, Mick is quite the shredder, or was due to his medical condition, it's just the music they were playing didn't really call for it. Mick is a beast!
No, he's a shredder. He is THEE Shredder. He is all the great things that r said about him. But he has played raunchy, dirty, and fingers bleeding. That's my definition of a shredder.
Mick sounds great. I don't understand how they can allow their singer to carry on like this. I can only assume they don't have him in their IEMs so they don't know how bad he is. It's very frustrating to be a fan of this band anymore. They've been my favourite band ever since I heard them when I was 7 years old in 1983, and it hurts to not like what they are now. As much as I love the albums, it's frustrating listening to them because of how they've tarnished their legacy. They were never graceful, but at least they used to care.
U have been the first to hit my heart in this comment section. I've been there since I was a kid too. I want them all so er, functioning, fulfilling life's best goals, family, etc, but it's coming at great cost. And it feels to us. We r paying ALOT more, stuck in a gigantic stadium with heat stroke or risk for shock during lightning storms. The pandemic was REALLY bad for the majority of people in the world. Paying $125 for a ticket, plus all the travel, etc, is, for some people, the highlight of their lives. There has always been some infighting, normal with close people. Except when it's a huge change, Vince leaving, Tommy leaving, Mick being me as r dead, and Nikki with his side projects, we r getting less fulfilled. I love them, from the standpoint of the great times. I'm choosing not to focus on what skeptics say, or what we hear. The Dirt was well done, except I didn't like the truly vile parts and the fluffing. I doubt most fans new that Mick had a very serious disease and was wasting away. To see him play these past few years makes tears well up. He's a remarkable human. People keep ragging on Vince's voice. It is rare that a raw singer can sound exactly like their album. Those stadiums have all kinds sof sound implications. I don't sound like I did 40 years ago, and I haven't lived a life like Vince. As a long time fan, the way this is playing out is just not cool. Someone isn't telling the truth, and I hate to say it, but I think it isn't Mick. And it shouldn't be about the other 17.5% income. There has to be someone that stands up for the fans and says play live. John 5 is one of the only buys, (that I've ever heard), play guitar that makes me want him to play all my fave songs. When Metallica played Sweet Home Alabama at a concert years ago, it was exhilarating! These r ur favorite musicians, so I pay to hear u play the songs u wrote, with a bit of the original, but some 2023 flavor. I like crowd work. I like laughing and fun between the guys. Maybe I haven't evolved past the 80s Crüe, and I can accept that.
💯. We must be close in age. I was also 7 in 1983, I remember all the videos from Shout at the Devil being on our Friday Night Video show. I obsessed with them every since... Well I kinda dropped off the Motley Crue radar. After they fired Vince and got a new singer, and then Vince coming back... I got sick of the childish drama.
Doesn't matter how much you love the band or how well you guys get along. You're in your 70s, doing exhausting tours, big giant loud stadiums with masses of screaming fans, can't hear anyone if they were 5 ft in front of you, the click track is a lifesaver.
Can't imagine having that in my ear night after night, sounds like a guy hammering wall tile in a bathroom. And Mick SHREDS. I hear nothing to suggest this man has lost a step. At that age, with that disease.. Mick was Motley MVP.
That's the work part of it. He sounds great. So much for the other guy's argument. I guess he has a little bit of Vince in for reference/keep his place in the song.
@@stevenlornie1261 Agreed. When I record I like to have at least the drums playing for the vibe (I struggle sometimes with delivering the right energy if its just a click track because there's no reference), but i rarely even hear the click as it just blends it but it still keeps me in time subconsciously.
Gotta be honest, Tommy is a solid enough drummer that you shouldn’t need a click to stay in time. You also shouldn’t need a click to play Crue songs period, especially when you’re literally the one who wrote them. I mean when bands like Pantera could go on without even having in ears at all and still play tight there’s just no excuse for needing a click to play music this simple.
It's Mick's personal monitor mix (what he wanted to hear at the show). Mick's mix (what Mick wanted to hear) is almost entirely the click track (with count-in cues) and his guitar. It shows that Mick's guitar playing is 100% played live here. People - let's get real. Mick Mars, despite what his bandmates claim in their response to Mick's 4/6/23 legal complaint, can and did play live. Based on claims from Mick and others, Mick was the only member of Motley Crue on the stage in 2022 playing entirely live.
Meh. Wouldn't say the best tone. He needed to tighten up the low end chugs. Sounds ok in the mix but the bottom is really floppy. The palm mutes don't have the punch they should. Still a good cabinet sound, though. His chorus sounds pretty good, too.
@DMB-FDP old people don't get this lol. Bruce, Mick, Aerosmith, hell jimmy buffet use click tracks. Old people don't understand this. Dave Matthews Band is only band I can think of that play a truly live situation.
If only they could manipulate the click track in Vince's ear to be a half second ahead of the rest of the band, he might sing in time. Someone needs to do a video of them playing bass to what Nikki is miming.
the rest of crue is an embarrassment. seeing nikki up there dancing around and pantomiming knowing he isnt playing a note is hilarious. mick still actually playing and sounding damn good.
Not only is Mick, 71 and handicapped, proven here as able to play the songs, he sounds incredible. His guitar tone is layered and just monstrous, truly awesome. I’ve loved Motley all my life but they are screwing Mick, their fans and their legacy with this money grabbing stunt.
I don't why this would have been released, unless this is to prove Mick's point. He sounds pretty good and you can hear just enough of Vince to hear him mangle the songs, like he has for ages.
@Matt_Dylan Nikki wrote lyrics. Don’t give him too much credit there. We all know Nikki did not write the guitar parts. And to be an,e to write music you have to be able to at least play the instrument your writing for. Nikki does not even play his bass. Complete fraud. Well I guess he can write cheesy lyrics.
@Mike Palmer exactly. Let's have Nikki and Mick in a courtroom with instruments and let's see who can actually play live. Everyone knows Nikki is a fraud, hack and a tool. Plays the bass my ass 😂😂😂
That's what's playing in his in-ear monitor, but on the scene he can still hear the other members bleeding through. That's why the metronome is so loud, so he can hear it over the whole band playing.
Mick was spot on and adding a little flare since he's been playing the songs for decades. I mean there was a teleprompter giving Vince Lyrics and he still gets them wrong but we won't talk about that.
This is fascinating! I always wondered what they heard in their ear monitors. I figured they heard their own instruments or vocals for the singer and I heard about the click track but I didn’t know the guitarists had that too. I thought only the drummers did. Well I’ve been a little more educated tonight. And Mick, you deserve more, man! ❤
If he didn't hear the click track, he would have to hear Tommy - they all have to play to the same beat! lol. Hence, the reason for the click track (metronome) and it's much easier to just listen to the click track then try to decipher the beat through all the cymbals and other generated noise through the mics. Plus, it sounded like Tommy strains to keep up with the clicker, and would throw Mick off a little. It's easier, better, and more accurate to just listen to the metronome.
When I played in bands (bass player here) I usually had kick, hat, and snare highest in the mix with just enough guitar and vocals for me to keep track with where we were in the song. I sang backup/harmony so vox were a little higher in the mix. I could barely hear myself which was fine with me, you can still hear a little bit of the live sounds coming from the PA so I didn’t find it necessary to have me in my own ear.
I love The Crüe as a whole, original solid members. But he always says he's doing it for the music and fans. It's not for the promotion, the chicks lifting their tops, the over-the-top luxury touring transportation. I doubt he even wanted as much spent and effort put into the stage and tricks. The Stadium Tour had a variety of bands, almost all from one era where they shined. But they all different stage setups. Check out Classless Heroes. Joan has money and fame, she could've had the over-the-top stage stuff. Def was a basic stage too. The eyes and mind can o my take in so much. Overcompensating? I hate to say it, but the Crüe stage was just 3 guys' wildest dreams. And that's great that they have the money and power to live that dream. But was that all necessary? Maybe if I was high or drink, (which I definitely am not), I would lose my mind at all there is to take in. I saw the Crüe when Tommy couldn't have alcohol in the arena. It was bare bones, great music, and the real fans loved it.
Wow. 🙄 They should have called themselves The Has-Beens with special guest star: Mr Mick Mars. That poor guy. I hope he gets every damn cent out of those posers. He deserves it all. Long live Mick Mars!
Motley Crue has a guitar sound, that sound is Mick. Distinguished from any other guitarist, and he sounded on point, just like a Mick song should. #teammick
Wow, that would drive me nuts listening to that all night every night.. give me monitors and hearing loss any day, the way it was always done 😅😅 Mick is tearing thru it so no question he is the truly only “Live” musician on stage, you could see Nikki adjusting his mic while Bass continued to play and Vince also dropped mic hand while his vocals continued not that this is even a question anymore.. Mick we all are in your corner, put out your album and you will see how many true fans you alone have \m/
You get used to the click. It takes some getting used to the first time you play with it. Now I don’t like playing without it. You would be surprised how much tempos fluctuate playing live without a click. As a drummer, I turn up the bass in my IEMs and have guitars, keys and vocals down, but still audible. If I was playing with MC, I would turn up the the bass backing track and Mick! I wonder if they even put a battery in Nikki’s pack? Lol
@@gadnur never turn up bass in crue youll be lost always listen to mick 95% of the time if you want to be correct the other five is bass and vocals cues
@@gadnur it also helps if your drummer isn't washed up like Tommy Lee is these days. That's probably the biggest reason for click track. He can't trust Tommy. The dude keeps breaking his ribs anyway..
This may be all that Mick has in his I.E.M. but it's not all that he is hearing on stage. He can still hear the live drums, vocals, etc. from the live amps and side fills they are still running. I used to only run my vocal and my guitar in my head. It gave me some isolation and clarity to what I was doing without ever competing volume-wise with anything else, but I could still hear the other things going on around me. And yes, the click becomes part of your experience but you stop noticing it.
They likely aren't using live amps on stage. Guitars are isoboxed or more likely in a processor like a Kemper. Bass is almost always DI'd (or in this case, prerecorded). Only thing he can likely hear on stage live are the drums, and the click is pretty much doing the same thing as Tommy, so no reason to hear them.
Mick has been the most down to Earth member of this band. I met all of them more than once. All gracious but Mick stood out because he wasn't about look at me and Vince would have to be next. Although Vince's vocal has declined I can't say a bad thing about him he was always great in person. Mick I met long enough to get a few things signed and tell him how much of an inspiration he was. He was a man of few words and you could tell he was uncomfortable pain wise. I had only two things I wanted signed a denim jacket and the Rolling Stone mag. After Mick finished he saud with surprise this is it? He boarded the plane to take a seat. Vince was also very gracious but again uncomfortable and all business. I met them all on an airport tarmac. When we walked out, well I actually drove out. This was impromptu it was private property and they could had easily had us tossed. This was immediately following their first presser for the Motley vs The Earth tour. Instead we watched them do a photo shoot next to the plane and patiently waited. Mick and Vince were the first to acknowledge us Nikki and Tommy spent the most time. It wasn't the time that mattered though it was the quality of time and Mick and Vince were the most real. Nikki and Tommy were engaging and conversated the longest but it felt like a bit fake. Mick deserves everything he's asking for imo. I'm surprised Vince is mum because he's been through this but I'm sure after the business is done Vince will let his POV known. From what I've heard Vince may have had a role in why Mick wanted out not because of conflict but because how he was treated and Mick was tired of it.
Mick has always been this Band! He was the true ole skool musician! He grabbed what would and could make the times. Now it's the the little boy z that still are..against him. I think not! Mick is the Crue! I hope u see this Mick!! Love for mick..for makin the crue...Now u need to bring it down. U will be known as Crue!
I love John 5, phenomenal guitarist. But he's too precise for Motley Crue. Nikki, Tommy and certainly not Vince are not that spot on. And now they're talking about releasing new music with John 5? Couldn't write anything with Mick?? Videos I've seen of 5 with Motley sound almost sterile, not the grimy rock-n-roll Motley made their name on. 100% in Mick's corner on this. Pay the man Nikki, he named the band and established the sound. All while you engraved your veins.
It's total horseshit - You can clearly hear the bass and drums, plus on 100's of other videos. People should look more instead of believing the first thing they read
Wow Mick what a Great Guitar & Amp Tone you got, that Shit has got some Balls...thats the one complaint I can say is that the New Guys Tone is not a match for the songs...it's got NO BALLS TOO IT...
If this goes to court, Mick should win... Convincingly. and if I had to carry that band on my back, I'd have spine issues too. Team Mick all the way !!!
Nikki takes his left hand off as he continuously picks during note changes, 😂 I guess is doesn't when you're the Milli Vanilli of bass players. Mick is the MVP.
No way Nikki is playing through an amp. He even says "his" bass parts were re-recorded and he didn't think he was on the first few albums. He never cared about the bass, he wanted to look a certain way. Period.
