Your video tells of the complicated motives and actions of historical figures. Any study of Fremont will uncover his egotistical and callous behavior. Carson’s career, while adventurous has several dark situations, this is one. Excellent video as usual, with a personal demonstration of historical events.
Your comment is a bit unfair. When looking at history I always try to look at it through the eyes of the times and culture of the day. A modern view of events that occured a hundred years ago doesn't work. Modern bias always changes the reality of the times. However, the extreme actions of a few will many times supercede the actions of the majority. A milenia ago the world was flat. 200 years ago slavery was acceptable. Times change as do cultural norms. Kit was a product of his time and deserves a break. The D' Haro event was unforgivable but understandable.
you sir are a masterful story teller, with research that must have been very time consuming..well constructed videos that are entertaining to listen too..if i had a history teacher like you..ty
Thank y'all gguys was very good one! Remember Carson's role against the Navaho and their puttin in the reservation...Best regards from Northern Germany Ludwig.
Kit Carson carried a flintlock pistol single shot. It was up for sale for $25,000 not too long ago. He must’ve been a really fast reloader or like most stories of this time is not accurate.
@@stevewixom9311 Or, he wasn't the only one of Fremont's men doing the shooting which, to me, would make a lot of sense. Why make Carson fumble around with two or three guns or reload a flintlock when you've got other men under command standing around with loaded weapons?
The Colt Patterson is mentioned in 1842-1843 by Ranger accounts of reloading from the saddle. None of us were there, but here we are now. Mañana amigos.
The lives people lived back then were full of danger. One big open, basically lawless space full of different groups and peoples fighting for control of the space. Must have been an interesting time to be alive. The ai pics you can go ahead and leave out by the way.
Hence this is why Fremont executed the Spanish men. They could easily have been spies. They were casualties, or combatants in a war. It’s useful to see Fremont’s point of view here.
This is a delicious rendition of Carson's many challenges. A few notes: It was always the military of the US tasked to explore, identify, discover, and claim the lands and their assets of the West. Lewis and Clark, Pike, Marcy, and the great Emory all led important expeditions. If we back up to the Spanish explorations, it was an officer named Anza that pioneered exploration of northern California, where he found natives experienced in mining and working gold and silver. It was impossible for the US to claim discovery years later of gold. The Doctrine of Discovery had its own set of rules. Only one discovery of a land of heathens was allowed. Anything after that was simply conquest.
Your description of Carson murdering the D' Haro twins is probably inaccurate. There were few multi shot pistols 1846. More likely are one shot black powder arms. So Carson may have had help. There is talk Granville Swift and others killed the other fellows. As I recall Kit mentions the event with remorse in his biography but uses the old excuse of "just following orders"
2306 Thanks for the additional information about Carson mentioning the incident in His Biography, most likely He had some remorse. In another video the point was made about Carson's loyalty to the American military. In several cases He accepted assignments for the Military when He knew He should have taken time away from Military to be with His wife. Her family raised His children, His wife died in delivery of one of their children..
@@fasx56 Hey, Thanks for the response and the great history clips you are doing. 👍. I have been researching this era of Ca. history from Bidwells arrival in 42' til abt.1900 for sometime now. The gold rush era especially. I live in Lake Co. Ca. Kits brother Lindsey settled here. I wrote a story that includes many of the characters of the rush. Most of whom were from Sacramento. The article is called the Springer Brothers Saga. It is online but an older version. I have fixed several typos and added corrections and more info plus new photos recently.This story continues to evolve. Will send to you if interested. You are welcome to use any of it.
I so much appreciate your docu on all these Indians and what you have taught me on the lives of those in long ago who were responsible in settling the west. Thank you 💛
Carson always deferred to the pompous, arrogant martinet, Captain Frémont (as he wrote his name), for simple feelings of inadequacy. Carson was entirely illiterate: he only learned to write his name later in his life and Frémont was a graduate of Charleston College and the son-in-law of U.S.Senator Thomas Benton of Missouri. Had Frémont been a more personable man, he could well have been President, as the first Republican Party candidate in 1856. History often hinges on a few powerful figures with strong personalities.
My great great great grandfather settled in Sonoma in 1844. He worked for Gen. Vallejo on his farms. His house, the Nash-Patten Adobe is an historical.landmark, and belonged to family (Zolita Bates) members until the 1990s. Patten St. is named for him.
Carson most likely carried a brace of pistols and to a man like Him killing the de Haro Twins and Berryessa was sadly just repetition. Truly a terrible tragedy in California History and they are honored by having places named for them . We should never forget these people they are all part of Our History but the de Haro Twins should be honored . Lake Berryessa is named for that family and I was never aware of that connection until watching this. Thank You for expanding My knowledge of My local history. The Story of Pomponio is also interesting and much of it took place in Marin County. Today most residents of Marin County are ignorant of its past.
Something about uniforms.... lemmings will listen and obey...... never had that problem...... and always Carry a large caliber revolver for safety 🦺...... love the Show 😍
Fremont had several gold mines on northern calif.and the town of briceburg calif on the merced river.He also had some goldmines in big oak on highway 120 heading toward yosemite national park.when he lived in big oak flat.He married a puite indian women from the tribes living around big oak flat.this was later. In his life.
Nope white men and Mexicans were just as savage the Wild West was never heroic cowboy vs bandido and savage indian the true Wild West was savage scalphunter vs savage scalphunter
Good evening good sir. Thoroughly enjoyed this short film. Pleasure to meet your acquaintance. I paired the video with a nice bottle of chianti and a dominican cigar. Now time for some rest as visions of cowboys and indians dance through my mind. I bid you good morrow.
Kit Carson is a personal hero of mine, but he had his faults - his loyalty to Fremont being the prime example. On the whole, America still owes him tribute.
This video is a major misrepresentation of facts, large and small. I checked the references for this video and they are very sketchy. The only one of them with any credibility is "Blood and Thunder" but there are earlier historical records that tell the story clearer, "Men to Match My Mountains," by Irving Stone, and "California, an Interpretive History," by Professor William Bean, of UC Berkeley. There are other oral-to-print tomes written in the 19th century as well. I own all of these works. Two are merely opinion papers for current Leftist activism. The three murdered were NOT Mexican settlers, they were Californios, who were not ethnic Mexicans, but Spanish who had settled in California. The war between Mountain Men and the Californios was the historical factual disposition and identification. But Captain John Fremont, Kit Carson, and about 150 assembled soldiers and settlers joined together after the two men in question who were not soldiers but mountain men of the Bear Flag group, named Cowie and Fowler that their leader William Ide had sent to the Fitz Ranch, which was and is north of Santa Rosa, to get some powder, were intercepted by a group of 20 Californios, under the command of Juan Padillo, who killed them. They were set to Join with Castro's forces headed by Captain de la Torre. Fremont determined to take Castro, who had previously insulted him, and ordered him out of California. He became aware the de la Torre's forces were in San Francisco preparing for the risky crossing of the bay. To mislead Fremont, he arranged for a false bit of intelligence to fall into his hands. This allowed de la Torre to land his troops on the north shore. Angered to be outmaneuvered in his first sortie in the new war, when they found the likely sources of the misinformation setting off in a small boat, he ordered Carson to shoot them. There is no record of any comments made as presented in the sketchy articles this video is based upon. No one said that no prisoners were being taken or an outburst anywhere of the calloused nature reported in the articles used by the video producer here. In fact, Fremont had just captured some Californios in Sonoma. According to Irving Stone's report, a captured Californio, an officer named Arce witnessed the killing and commented rather poetically, "California is like a beautiful girl, everyone wants her." Other errors abound. It was the Mountain Men who quite cordially had "arrested" General Vallejo. As it was, Vallejo supported the American takeover and was respected by all who knew him. He had battled with Castro who was his nephew, the year before. He detested the corrupt and arrogant rule of his young, impetuous relative. Moreover, he was no longer officially a general as he exited service in the Mexican army formally. Fremont, still smarting from Castro's insults, treated Vallejo as an enemy general and took him to Sutter's Fort, which he commanded and put Vallejo and his family in jail there until Sutter was able to get him released. Mexicans who were not settlers of California in any sense until far later. From very early, the Spanish were cut off from any land approach due to hostile indigenous tribes. Because of that, the only approach to California by the Spanish and later Mexican rulers was by sea. California was seen as remote and primitive so Spanish setters in Mexico had no desire to go there, and the Mexicans were not settling anywhere, not migrating at that period of time beyond some parts of Texas and New Mexico (territories of Spain, Mexico at the time) as Arizona was uncrossable. The Mexican War in California was nearly a joke. In Northern California, Fremont faced down de la Torre at Olymppi. After de la Torre lost five or six men, he broke off and retreated to Los Angeles, never stopping to rest. Fremont was then met by Commander Sloat at Monterrey and took him and his army to San Diego where they cleared the area and were joined by sailors and marines for the attack on Los Angeles. The Mexican garrison at Los Angeles was 700-strong, more than half larger than Fremont's force, but they broke up and fled in all directions. Los Angeles was captured without a fight, as Monterrey had been. That California would become part of the United States was inevitable. Under the Spanish and Mexicans, the native population was reduced by 70% by 1846. By the outbreak of WW2, the indigenous population of California had been restored to nearly 100%. After the war, programs promised in the 1850s for managing the tribe's interests which had been interrupted by violence by some renegade leaders, and other little things like the Gold Rush, and the most rapid growth of a nation and state in history, were finally fulfilled. But also, after the war, in the 1960s, the Marxists found the indigenous peoples in the U.S. easy marks for their program of reviving resentments and enhancing reminders of abuse and loss. This video and the material it is based on is an echo and part of that Leftist effort to distort history in order to continue the destructive trend of unproductive perpetual victimhood, and unrelenting blame on the very people who brought all groups a longer lifespan, and a higher standard of living.
Mr. Narrator, clearly, by the way that you condemn Carson's actions in a time of war, you've never been in a war and that's probably a very good thing for our country, because only a true coward would make the kind of judgements that you have made in this pseudo-documentary, about a true American Hero like Kit Carson. Shame on you and your video.
It is well documented that Carson was said to have shot these three men in cold blood. They were unarmed civilians. Not the kind of war I would wage. Fremont put Kit up to this as a test of his personal loyalty to Fremont. Fremont was later court marshalled because of his over zealous activities in California. Kit, being the man he was, later expressed remorse for the death of these unarmed men.
Hero to who? The indians? He was a hero to a few white men, I'd say he was a turncoat from what I have read, he turned on all the indians that had taken him in as a friend, not very hero like in my opinion but then again he's an American, one of the least trustworthy people in the world
California 1846 was a distant and ignored backwater territory of Mexico. A very sparsely populated territory. There was no Mexican army in California. Nor a Mexican navy at all. There were local militias who’s role had been suppressing the California native population. America conquered California with under a thousand soldiers and Marines
Fremont is roundly disliked by every historian and history buff that I have encountered. As for Carson’s killing of three men in cold blood, assuming that it’s true, these were brutal times and callousness ruled. The West was not settled by philosophers.
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