That guy's an idiot. $152,000 for a truck When a 1-ton dually can do the same job for $70,000? That truck is a little too heavy for the average person's needs. He's been practicing his sales pitch for years. It shows...
Well according to the sales guy they do have a locking differential for when you want a little extra boost at launch...apparently it's a race truck lol.
Driving 2 cars length. Parallel Park Required 5 Cars Space for Beginners. Typical Truck driver need 3 Cars Space to Parallel Park. watch out not to take down or Push a Pay Parking Metres.
raymond289 what are you talking about? You completely lost me . I drive an f 350 duly now I don’t need 5 car lengths to park. That’s completely ridiculous.
Tyler Proud it wouldn’t even be close. I drive a semi for a living and haul over 40k lbs sometimes. With the truck, trailer, cargo it can be almost 80k lbs at times. Like the guy was saying those trucks are made to pull heavy loads all the time. Pulling 30k lbs with a pickup truck it would struggle.
The94GTC it would be interesting. Pros and cons to both. The big truck is very heavy so it needs way more power just to get it moving. Also I bet the way this truck is optioned it would be way more then $155k. Big trucks are slow.
Those numbers on those HD pickups are just there to sell trucks. Like rams 1000 ft lbs. Its impressive and can tow 30k time to time but if you’re going to do that regularly, forget about it.
Exactly, guys...well guys whom can’t even back up a trailer love to talk about how much their truck can tow. No one ever talks about what kind of load their truck can stop. Because they have never been in those situations. Smashing a deer at 70 mph with a 5th wheel behind you in north MO will open your eyes.
@@lawnmowerdude Just like those guys who go and buy ram 3500's and use them to run car haulers. They wonder why their truck died at 100,000 miles after pulling 25,000lbs+ the whole time. Medium duty trucks are available for a reason.
Yea I thought the same the minute he started yacking...I'm just surprised on the low tow capacity for such a monster truck...but I'd rather pull with with this than a 450 pickup truck. I think picking up a good used one before epa got them with around 100,000 miles say an 2004 or 5
I'm not a "truck guy" at all but it is SO refreshing to hear a salesperson who actually knows their product inside/out and has the answer to ANY question right on the tip of their tongue without having to go look it up somewhere. So refreshing!,
The difference between this freightliner and the new HD pickup trucks is that this freightliner will last like a semi truck. Wear and tear will be more durable on this one.
yea but you pay for it in depreciation. You would really have to drive this truck 500k miles to come close to breaking even. Anything less than 250k miles and it is a money loser
Steve Wilson spec this truck with air brakes and they will last for years instead of annual juice brake pad replacements. Class 6 is a win win over a pick up truck in every aspect. This puppy is just winding up when the pick up is working it self to death.
We have a class 6 tow vehicle, an older model, but still class 6. We pulled with a pickup for years, and had little issue, unless we needed to stop quickly, or were pulling a long hill. When we moved to the larger tow vehicle, long trips became much more enjoyable, and we arrived less worn down by the drive. We will drive as much as 11 hours without stopping for more than a few minutes for a bio break. I used to have to drive a quarter of a mile ahead with the pickup (mostly due to people being rude, or just uninformed). With the hauler, it is much less stressful. I can drive for 10 hours and get out of the vehicle as if I had driven a car. I will not go back to a pickup as a haul vehicle, unless it is a small trailer. We currently haul a 34' horse trailer that weighs 16,500 lbs empty and dry. There is no 1 ton dually I would trust with this load.
I'm a truck driver and these tractors can actually hual 44,000 usually and the company I work with we have extended weight permits and haul about 50,000 lb and there's some other companies with 4 axles on a trailer and they hual probably 60,000 roughly. So 30,000 actually sounds really low
It's great to hear a professional explaining all the capabilities, all the differences between variants, and answer every question put to him. The trucks look to be very nicely fitted out and a world away from a dually pick up.
Joshua Samuels It wouldn’t be a very interesting episode it would be the slowest time out of everything. I spent a bunch of time in those trucks Most of them are severely Detuned compared to a pick up truck diesel. I guess if you had one set up right it would be OK.
@@theaveragejoestinkeringand4407 with the motor he just said a dd13 would tear up the ike pass with 30000 pounds behind it, that one had a 350 L9 and that they go up to 380 to 1150 foot pounds of torque
Doug C I was actually watching the video in spurts I didn’t see that it had the bigger Cummins and yes the DD 13 would be a beast the two that I drove had the 6.7 Cummins in them and they did a good job but not better than the pick ups.
@@theaveragejoestinkeringand4407 The problem is that 95% or more of the m2s are made for around town. They have detuned 6.7 engines and can't do the job. You have to spec the truck special for this with the bigger engines. I have personally been looking at a 9 liter with the auto shift trans. at 1150ft lbs I should be able to keep up with a 3500 for speed and stop like I am supposed to. I expect to use it to pull 30K trailers. Not sure how they manage to justify the 152K price. I think a 15K bed on a 90K truck should put it at 105K, not 152K. Maybe that bed is REALLY, REALLY EXPENSIVE.
@@joeyscleaninglady2877 what I sit on looks like plywood covered in grey vinyl and feels like a cheap sponge for the cushion Wait... That's probably what it is!
I remember the last Ike gauntlet test was supposed to include one of these but never was posted. I would like to see how a medium duty would compete to the new duallys
Sir Timothy's Piano Time I believe for uphill speed while towing the new duallys would crush this freightliner. As far as long term wear and tear items the freightliner will outrun a smaller class 3 truck. Comfort for long hauls would definitely be no competition, the air ride would be untouchable. With larger air brakes, controlling weight would be much safer. It would tow 30,000 lbs like a new dually would tow 15,000 lbs.
@@TermiteBenny Makes perfect sense. The way this truck is designed, as shown in the video, seems to be infinitely more robust. The torque numbers would make it to where, yes, it may not go as fast on hills like Ike, but I couldn't imagine it would slow down much, and its cooling system must be tremendous. It wouldn't imagine it getting too warm on a long uphill climb pulling most any RV or horse trailer.
I drive this model truck for work as a bucket truck, these trucks are MUCH MUCH better at towing, no matter how much weight you put on the back, you forget its there, they’re literally tanks, they never break down, much more reliable, and the stopping power is absolutely amazing, you honestly wouldn’t even need trailer brakes. These would put any dually to shame, no matter what pickup it is, they start to feel sketchy with a ton of weight. This is for serious haulers.
As a truck driver myself I would love for more ppl to invest in this type of vehicle if they’re going to be pulling heavy loads/equipment, instead of having that slow as regular trucks pulling so god damn slow that it is almost a hazard on the road. I get that they can pull just fine in flat ground or downhills but a little uphill and it slows them down too much.
Unless it is a Sportchassis version which start at the price you are all guessing, the conversion M2 106 shown starts off at around 60K to 80K depending on the engine selection.
Years ago my old roommate's parents had a rig like this. I want to say it was a Peterbuilt but may have been a Freightliner. They had a 46 foot custom trailer they pulled which had a 26 foot living space and a 20 foot car hauler for their autocross car. That was what they did in retirement for fun. Drove it all over the Midwest and mountain west. I rode in a few times. Super comfortable and spacious. A great option if you have the money and the need for that level of performance.
I think the old freightliner fl business class crew cabs were the same. They were a Mercedes cab. I think I've seen it on crew cab Mitsubishi fuso trucks as well, or maybe both sides were same and they blanked out the spot for the handle, I can't remember.
I remember reading about an old highschool friend. He bought a beautiful M2 color was either Red or Brown. Bought it in Ohio or Indiana. Loved it. But then, the poor guy hit a rough patch. He ended up running over the salesmen, then drove through the entrance at the bank that financed it. Then all amped up on Monster Energy drinks and Dragon eggs he drove 27 hours straight to Texas ran over four hard working hombres at a Pilot then ended it all wild boar hunting. Great guy he surely was!, but he too, got "cut-off" one too many times in that passing lane of life. Bless him.
Most sales guys at the Big 3 PU truck dealerships don't know enough about the products to help someone with or through any of the technical aspects of those vehicles. I recently went into a Chevy dealer to look at their 3/4 ton line up. They sent me to talk to a so called truck sales expert who did not know what I meant by 3/4 ton, had no clue on pay-load or towing capacities. He said we only have 1500, 2500 and 3500 series PUs and he took me over to the brochure desk. This is a true story. I said, okay thanks, walked out and drove 22 miles to the next Chevy dealer. Had a similar experience at a local Ford dealer. I wont associate myself with a business that takes that little effort to train sales staff. It likely permeates their entire business and I wont risk it by buying from a dealer like that. 1 hour of class room training and an 1 hour or 2 going over the trucks with a mechanic could set up a sales guy to know enough to help and learn forward before putting them in front of customers. Its pathetic. I''ll be visiting a Ram dealer soon. Cant wait.......
4Cabin. LOL. I have had the same experience. They guy who knew more than me sold me a 75K truck. It takes awhile to find them. Nobody in Stealerships seem to know their products anymore. It is laughable.
The rating on a pickup is: "Once in a while, if necessary, you technically can safely move up to 30,000 lbs at or near highway speed, in nice weather, with no passengers, no cargo, and 1/4 tank of fuel... have the vehicle serviced any time you do so". The rating on this truck is: "You could make a living towing 30,000 lb trailers with this". Commercial vehicles are necessarily more honest.
Nice trucks. I've been seeing that style for years. This is the first time I've seen one that plan looking. Ones I've seen look like they would cost a million bucks. That nice. Still love them. Funny thing though. At rodeos where I have seen most of them, they had to put small stickers on the drivers doors saying, not for hire. Makes you wander how many people tried to get them to work for them to put the sicker on the door. Thanks for showing.
Now that is the right engine (9L) for an RV puller. Those trucks were under powered with the 6.7. Finally a good engine as an option. Should have been offering it for years.
I totally agree. The 5.9 and 6.7 were jokes in these trucks. At one time FL sold the FL60 and 70s with the 3126. Still not enough power. The ISL should have been the base engine. They would have sold twice as many.
If I was towing 30k all the time I'd rather get this to pull it, and stop it with confidence. 1 ton trucks are rated 30k but let's not forget that if you're pulling max capacity all the time then you should move to something bigger as the stress builds up with time. Mechanical issues arise when you're at the top end of capacity.
Yes! All day YES! Seems like people think that just because a truck is rated at 30,000 max that it should have no problem whatsoever hauling 30k all day everyday. My trucks redline RPM is 2,500, that doesnt mean you can just ride at 2,500 all day long with problem
@@vicka7088 that +30k towing rate means you can but honestly you should never cross the 80% load in a regular basis, which is around 25k. Semis in other hand are designed from the ground up with maxing out on trailer weight all the time and that's why they last so much.
I am looking for an upgraded truck for my hot shot business. Currently I am driving an F350 with a 40 foot trailer. I believe I found my next truck. I looked at a F550 or a F650. But this appears to be in a similar price range. Now if I could buy it from this salesman!
Man since a small kid I always loved playing with trailer truck toys and I would definitely buy one for fun if I ever had an excessive amount of money.
For the 1 or 2 people here that are considering buying this, I'm a former big rig driver (OTR). The difference between a dually pickup and something like this is absolutely massive. The confidence, the reliability, the brakes, even the fuel economy. I promise you, you will never go back to a light duty pickup if you're actually going to be hauling heavy stuff. Note: Cummins engines(ISX, which this isn't) tend to be a bit more finicky (read: expensive) with maintenance. Detroit engines are not, as they're much simpler. They're both great though.
Idividezero DD13 is major piece of shit, especially in an M2 chassis. oil leaks, coolant leaks, after treatment problems. Let alone how much the m2 itself sucks. after over a decade, the blower motor wiring still has the same issues.
Chris Cook The older auto shifts had lots of problems, x-y motors, wiring harnesses, and tcm failures. but, I haven't dug into one in a decade. surely they've gotten better, but I just haven't been exposed to them. the Allison's have been decent, seem to have more wiring problems than anything.
@@jddiesel7409 Thanks for the heads up. It seems like a single rear axle semi is the best for my needs. I think with the large quantity built the reliability will be there.
Chris Cook : honestly, the quantity doesn't seem to matter. 100,000 trucks with the same bad wiring used is just as bad as 10,000 built with the same bad wiring. anybody running a fleet of trucks will see the same problems happen with multiple trucks from batches of sister trucks. if you have any choice in the matter, consider how cramped it will be to get worked on. the harder it is, the more time it takes, the more it costs.
ive known a couple guys who went from having 1 ton duallies to real semi trucks. biggest reasons they upgraded like he said is the transmission, maintenance, and gas mileage. This thing with the 13l engine will probably get 10mpg towing 30k lbs
Man really like this I'd get one to just drive around when I come home off the road.. This is also for those guys that really want to drive a semi and don't need a cdl.
@WeeStrom CO Guy So the "though" you put into this was that "the average American" is the target market consumer for a product like this? Or, are you a liberal ranting about the disconnect between the haves and have-nots? Pretty sure that the guy who buys this is not making monthly payments and is probably not "the average American." See the disconnect?
I drove semi trucks for over 25 years... Some of them were pretty bad. But this thing? It would be a pleasure to drive!!😁 Love it. Just wish i could afford one...
TFL >>> interesting video! Just an FYI, with direct air brakes (at least here in Commiephornia) you'll need to have a Commercial Class B driver's license with an air brakes endorsement. If the air brakes are not direct, which means that they are "air assisted", then you might be able to get away with a 'regular' Class B license without the air brakes endorsement or perhaps even a Class A non-commercial license. Again, like AC said, even though there are pickups that have comparable 'power' and torque numbers to these mini semi-trucks, it is always better to be over-powered (engine and brakes-wise) than under-powered or simply breaking even; this you'll appreciate in an emergency situation where that extra braking or engine power will help you either avoid an accident or overtake a dangerous obstacle. Thank you again for the excellent video!
A HIGH KNOWLEDGE OF HIS PRODUCT. VERY ARTICULATE/INTELLIGENT SALESMAN. GIVE THIS MAN A PROMOTION/RAISE. (PAY THIS MAN!). BEAUTIFUL TOTERS BY THE WAY. DUALLYS ARE AT THEIR LIMIT WITH MOST TRAILERS (ZERO MARGIN FOR ERROR). THESE M2's GIVE A HUGE MARGIN OF CAPABILITY/SAFETY OVER THE DUALLY. IF YOU CAN AFFORD ONE, IT'S A NO BRAINER ! (I AM RETIRED: SPECIALIZED HEAVY HAUL-9 AXLE 80 TON LOWBOY OVERSIZED-EQUIPMENT MOVES).
Wow it has a separate "Haystack" storage area. We have 3 regular dogs and a blind dog, so we need Hay storage. I like the tow package. You know, there are Ram Dually's from Texas with fake tow packages, and I hear they are just duct taped on into the bed of the Truck. I like this truck cause I can drive it around the small towns and compensate for my small family jewels.
Not really a big-rig but a solid medium-sized truck. These are great though a bunch of fire agencies are replacing their international brush trucks with these
I went on to the Ford truck Builder and select the F550 Lariat with every single option that it would let me put on it the cab and Chassis I was only able to get it up to $77,000
@@caseymckeeborrego and if you plan to just use a gooseneck you can easily get 1 ton dually or a medium duty truck like a topkick, F550, or a Ram 5500 for not even half of what this truck cost
Another oldie but goodie was the old F700. The aeromax looking cab. I've seen those withe the old 8.3 Cummins and an Eaton 9 speed for under 10k. Go get an interior made, some decent paint and thats quite the capable/reliable rig.
Most people have no idea about towing, the average Joe that is, they see these big Rams,Fords and GM’s sure they’ll handle weight but it’s all in knowing how to drive. It’s also worth noting that trailers are getting much heavier, especially horse trailers with living quarters, and thus you you see engine output increased, however if you want true longevity and less maintenance you need to step up to an industrial chassis 350,450 class trucks have a hard time hauling a brick in the wind and frankly Ram trucks outfitted with Cummins engines really are the only rigs that can handle certain loads and maintain normal temperatures such as engine and transmission whereas GM’s and Ford typically run hotter under load. That’s not meant as a discouragement just some information.
Great comment powder river. The GMs seem to survive the hotshot business, but not the Fords. They rarely make it past 200k without a major problem The Rams if treated right will go a million miles. That is a big if. If not, they last a little longer than the Ford.
Buster Basher STOP! People buying 3500 duallys that dont even tow or do anything, just as a daily driver is already disgustingly annoying enough! Don’t encourage people! Lmao
@@jamesgarrison6430 These aren't semis, you don't need a special license and if you are comfortable driving a crew cab dually you will be happy driving one. (Especially with a big trailer)
@Ed MacLane So of you take the bed off a 3500 and install a true fifth wheel hitch (as many do) it's a semi? I don't get it. As far as cm or non com I know more than 20 horse trainers who drive trucks just like this one all over the country. They charge millage for each horse and make more than enough to pay for the rig. Not one of them has a commercial license and have never been harassed by the law.
More active safety gadgets n luxury in f series or ram or ck. Just a big truck with leather seats. Ways the list price compared to reg freight liner business class. Could be better
The M2 is no 'big rig'. It's typically a class 4-7 truck, but doesn't have the hardware or towing capacity a class 8 tractor (big rig) has. It is a sweet horse or r.v. hauler though.
I wouldn't even want it as an Rv hauler really, unless you just want to drop $150k for a truck thats not as capable as a class 8 you can buy for under $50k..
We have the Cummins L9/Allison 3000 in our Mack’s at work,they are a monster, rated for 80,000 lbs GCWR in our Mack’s ! So this powertrain will pull like the trailers not even there. The 19500 gvwr is low,they should spec a heavier rear and go to 22500 or 26000, IMO . You could easily overload the payload of the truck /rear axle with 4 ppl and a tongue heavy Teton 5th wheel or front living room dual slide 5er. There’s no reason for that this truck can handle way more.
Great comment John. I thought the same. They are doing everything they can to keep the ride soft, Hence the light rear end. I would move up to the 22500 and put it all in the back because you are right. I have been entertaining buying a chassis with these specs and adding my own bed. I got a quote of 95K for the chassis and can't image the bed costing more than 15K. I plan on spending 110K instead of 150K on a baby semi. Not sure what trans to use. The allison or the auto shirt Eaton.
You are in big truck land with that. Figure to spend $15-20 k/year to run it, IMO. Gotta go to the big rig service areas, like a dp. Also, OTR guys will ALWAYS get priority.
That's a pretty cool truck. I was shocked to hear it wan't over 200k. I was guessing by looking at it that it was an easy 3. I need to get me one of these!
The dually will never move over or be outsold by this thing due to the price. . If I keep working 60 hours a week the next 40 years I'll be able to afford a wore out used one
This way you avoid a CDL vehicle, and that price includes a lot of custom and comfort touches that you'd have to add to a class 8 that costs that much to start.
@@channell11Class 8 is still the better option and both would require a cdl regardless if you went over 26,000. A class 8 would also give you the ability to tow more and be able to be just as customizable.
@@BloodEagle. Weight Scale is Required for Tandem. No CDL for this and No Weight Scale, no Additional Transportation Safety officer Road Side Inspection Canada & USA.
